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raazzz
03-13-2015, 04:12 PM
Review and comparison between Stiga Carbonado blades and Butterfly Viscaria.

It has been a lovely week for me since I have received my new Stiga Carbonado blades! I promised that I would try to make a review and share my thoughts and impressions of both the 145 and the 190 blade with a comparison to Butterflys Viscaria so thats what I'm going to do!

First of all I want to thank my dear club mate for letting me borrow his Viscaria for this review and also my closest table tennis shop for sending me the Carbonado blades without delay or problems.

I received both the 145 and the 190 blade in a black and grey box with some information about the blades on the back, I recommend you to also check out Giangt’s review with some very good looking pictures of the box.

I have earlier seen that Dan and other members on this forum has shared some beautiful pictures of these blades, but I thought that there can't be to much of the goodies so you can find some pictures down below.

The rubbers I have been using for the review is Tenergy 05 on both BH and FH and the ball I have been using is Donics 40+ poly ball.

The weight on the 190 blade was 93g and the weight of the 145 was 92g.

I have been playing with these blades for about 6 hours each.


Carbonado 190!

Weight: 93 grams

Handle: Straight

Thickness: 5.87

Speed: OFF

Hardness: Stiff

Test rubbers: Tenergy 05

Test ball: Donic 40+


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I was the most eager to try out the 190 blade first because from what I have read from earlier reviews it seemed to be a great blade that would fit me very well since I'm a player who like to keep pressure on my opponent close to the table. The weight was 93 g and I noticed directly that it felt as awesome in my hand as I was hoping for. I glued on a couple of new Tenergy 05 for this special day to maximize my experience. I used a pretty thick layer of glue and the rubbers looked perfect on the blade!

I started out with some counter drives and the first I noticed was a great balance between both power and control, it was a bit faster and stiffer than I was expecting but this was just a positive thing for me because I could still feel a great control over the ball. Every stroke felt the same as the previous one even though I didn't hit the ball on the exact same place which is a good proof that the 190 blade got a high and very large sweet-spot.

When I started to loop a bit away from the table I could directly feel the power this blade were able to generate. Together with my Tenergy 05 I was able to get a good topspin loop with great control and the feeling that I could easily put the ball on the table even under pressure. I also tried some defensive strokes away from the table, the control felt good even though this blade is a really fast and offensive blade.

Block and counter-attack: My block felt a bit different from what I was used to when I’m usually playing with the Infinity VPS V but I could pretty quick get use to the difference. The Carbonado 190 could generate much spin and speed from just using my opponents power and I felt that I could get a constant pressure at my opponent. I think that this blade is well suited for players who likes to put pressure on the opponent close to the table since the blade got a very flat trajectory.

Short play and serves: It was in the short game and serve that this blade gave me my happiest surprise. Together with Tenergy 05 I had very good control over the short game and I could without problems get really low spiny serves and returns. This combo was very nice when It comes to the short game.

Mid distance and my experience overall: I could get good pressure playing at mid distance and due to the big sweet spot I was able to put many balls in the exact place where I wanted to put them on the table. My goal when I play is usually to keep the pressure close to the table and play faster than my opponent, but since this blade got such a speed and flat trajectory I felt that I could keep the pressure on my opponents even at a great distance from the table.

I don't know exactly which player I would first of all recommend this blade to because I think it will suit the most offensive all-round players very good. Although I had some high expectations on this blade I must say it did not dissapoint me. I have only been playing with it for three practices so it's a bit early to say exactly how pleased I will be in the future but the first impression really made an impact on me. I think Stiga really has made something special here and this is what makes the blade worth the price.

Carbonado 145!


Weight: 92 grams

Handle: Straight

Thickness: 5.91

Speed: OFF

Hardness: Stiff

Test rubbers: Tenergy 05

Test ball: Donic 40+


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So first of all, the 145 blade feels exactly as good as the 190 in the hand, guess thats not so weird since the shaft is the same except from the color. Both blades really feels great when holding them, I think the STIGA way of using a bit of roughness on the handle is a good thing at least for me, I feel the use of an over grip unnecessary.

I really like the metal logo under the blade, that you also can find on the Emerald VPS V and the rest of the new models from STIGA, it looks very professional and high quality.

The 145 blade felt really controlled when counter driving with a wider trajectory then the 190. I didn't feel that much of a difference otherwise compared to the 190, it also has some big sweet spot and I love the touch in these blades. I felt a big difference between the two blades in this department which I contribute to the different angle placements of the carbon. I understood directly that it would be hard to finally choose just one of these blades to play with.

I felt really stable in my topspin loop away from the table and I think it got even more control then the 190 since it's got a higher trajectory. This blade will suit you perfect if you like a to play a safe game style from behind.

My block felt also really stabile with the 145 blade, I could really control my opponent and keep a great pressure, no problems playing straight and the pressure and speed I got when I was placed over the table and applying pressure on the ball was incredible. I played a only backhand-backhand match with my opponent and I played very good with this blade.

Short play and serve: I didn't feel quite as good control in the short game as I did with the 190. Although the 145 also felt really god I prefer the 190 blade when it comes to serve and returns. I must confess that the short game isn't my strength and I need all control that I can get, thats why I earlier have been playing with the Infinity which I also love when it comes to serve and returns. I think the 145 is the best choice if you like playing hard underspins and a lot of flicks over the table. I often returns a serve with a short receive and I think players who play like me would prefer the 190 in the short game.

Mid distance and my experience overall:

I found this suitable for an all around based game and I think this blade is optimized for medium to far distance shooting.

I would recommend medium rubbers on it. I really like the combination between Tenergy 05 and this blade, but I would still recommend medium rubbers for this blade even thought Tenergy 05 is pretty hard.

Comparison with the Viscaria and my thoughts overall.


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First of all I want to say that all three of these blades are absolutely outstanding in their own ways. The first thing I felt was that the Viscaria is a little bit faster than both the Carbonado blades and it was also a little harder for me to control. I don’t know what exactly makes the difference but as Giangt wrote it can have something to do with ”The amount of dwell from the 145 is greater due the limba outer ply and somehow the contribution of the TeXtreme Carbon”.

From the back and mid distance I did not feel that much of a difference between the blades. I feel that they all can generate great power and still keep the control.

It was mostly in the short game I noticed that the Carbonado felt a bit more controlable than the Viscaria for me, I had some problems getting my returns as short as I wanted with the Viscaria if I compare with the Carbonado. Or course more training makes the feeling in the short game easier but It was here I noticed the most difference between the blades.

In my block I did not feel a lot of difference when it comes to speed, I got a good pressure on my opponent with all of these blades, I think the small difference is just a think to get use to.

I have chosen to not go in to so much details when it comes to the Viscaria since there are already many reviews out there and it's already a very known blade.

Altought I have been very pleased with the control in the new Carbonado blades I still want to make clear that all of these blades are very fast and offensive blades and are not suitable for beginners. But for offensive more advanced players I highly recommned you to try these blades.

Me myself have not fully decided which one of these blades that will be my weapon of choice but right now it looks like the 190 will be the winner. I will play with all of them some more and try to update with more information after which.

This was one of my first longer reviews and I hope that some of the information was wearable, hard to get everything said in a review so just ask your questions and I will try to answer as good as possible. Next week I will try to make a review of Butterflys Innerforce ALC now when I'm on a roll!



Butterfly Interforce ALC

Since I recently have made a couple of reviews on, for instant the Carbonado blades and the Viscaria blade I tought it was time for the Butterfly Interforce ALC since I have got my hands on it. In the review I have also made a comparison to my current blade - the Carbonado 190 since I think it’s easier to make a good review when having something to compare to.

The rubbers I have been using for the review is Tenergy 05 on both BH and FH and the ball I have been using is Donics 40+ poly ball.

Weight: 90 grams

Handle: concave

Speed: OFF

Hardness: Medium

Test rubbers: Tenergy 05

Test ball: Donic 40+


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I really like the design and I’m a bit weak for the dark and light blue colour that makes the blade look really good.

When counter driving I felt good control and I could get a lot of power from this blade, it did not feel as stiff as I was expecting, I would rate it to be medium hard.

From Behind I also got a stabile touch but I felt it lacks a little control compared to the Carbonado, I guess it can have something to do with the Carbon in the Carbonado, which got a higher sweet spot. The Interforce felt a little faster and harder to control for me, not much but I noticed a slight difference when comparing the two.

Block and counter-attack: My block felt a bit different compared to the Carboando, a slight different trajection. Can’t really say which of the blade that felt most stablie since I think it’s just a matter of getting use to the blade. However could the Interforce ALC give me a good pressure on my opponent, and I found it pretty easy to get the ball in the directions and placing that I wanted to.

Short play and serves: My serves also felt good with this blade, I could get really spinny serves and It had a good dwell time. I’m a little bit dissapointed on this blade when it comes to the short game, I did not get as good control over the opponents serve and the ball that I wanted to. Can be because I'm coming from the Carbonado that I think works extreamly good in the short game. The short game is one of my weaknesses and I need all control I can get so the Interforce ALC I recommend for advanced players who has a natural good feeling in the short game. The offensive pushes and flicks felt however great, it was just when I tried to return some spinny serves short I stumbled on some problems.

Mid distance and my experience overall: In the open game from mid distance I think this blade was super. Pretty fast but I think it still had good control, still recommend it for more advanced players. I would also suggest this blade for all types of offensive game styles the blade have a nice feeling and touch. However I did not find that this blade surprised me in any specific way, I think it was pretty good overall with good control and speed but nothing that not many other blades have. Except from the design which I think is awesome!

I only tried this blade for one practice but I hope some of the information was valued. Just ask your questions and I will try to answer as good as possible! And also feel free to write if you want me to review any specific blade in the future!

John18
03-13-2015, 04:28 PM
Thanks for this great review raazzz !
I'm sure a lot of people will be interested by it.

Houdini
03-13-2015, 04:34 PM
nicely done my friend :cool:

docbrown
03-13-2015, 10:19 PM
Very informative review Raz! I think the three blades you did a review of is the three best looking blades in the world! So Clean design!

joskelly
03-14-2015, 10:31 AM
This was very interesting Raazzz. A great review. I liked the fact you dispensed with the waffle and got right to the heart of the matter.Out of interest how do you feel they compare to your Infinity VPS? Would an improving Infinity user find the Carbonado to be a logical upgrade path? Would you say they're a kind of 'Infinity Turbo' or are they very different animals?

P1ngP0ng3r
03-14-2015, 04:27 PM
Thanks for the review.
I'm still doubting which of the Carbonado's to buy. I like the high trajectory of the 145, but also the control in the short game of the 190 :)

raazzz
03-15-2015, 07:16 PM
This was very interesting Raazzz. A great review. I liked the fact you dispensed with the waffle and got right to the heart of the matter.Out of interest how do you feel they compare to your Infinity VPS? Would an improving Infinity user find the Carbonado to be a logical upgrade path? Would you say they're a kind of 'Infinity Turbo' or are they very different animals?

Thanks joskelly! Yeah I do, the Carbonado is faster but I still thinks it offers as great control as in the Infinity Vps v. I really like them both in the short game due to the feeling and control but the Carbonado will give you more power in the open game. Of course there is some difference since the Carbonado is a carbon blade but yes I think it can be a logical upgrade!

Flash Gordon
03-16-2015, 12:03 PM
what and great review raazzz. loved it. very informative and great that you could compare with the butterfly blade. i hope you will have chance to give some more reviews in the future.
do you know if its the same kind of wood construction in both the stiga blades? i was wondering if its only the different angles that makes the difference characteristics, if its like that then this is really something new.

AndySmith
03-16-2015, 03:02 PM
what and great review raazzz. loved it. very informative and great that you could compare with the butterfly blade. i hope you will have chance to give some more reviews in the future.
do you know if its the same kind of wood construction in both the stiga blades? i was wondering if its only the different angles that makes the difference characteristics, if its like that then this is really something new.

Yeah. Also, if the only difference is the angle of the carbon, why is one more expensive than the other? Sounds a bit like pythagorean bigotry to me.

TareqPhoto
03-16-2015, 03:42 PM
This Carbonado getting my attention a lot too, so i hope to have more reviews about it, but prefer experience for a while from someone if possible, not sure if this blade is OFF- or OFF+ or all around or what exactly, is it considered as fast or is it good combo of speed and control? what Butterfly blade you feel this Carbonado is equivalent to?

It is an expensive blade, so buying it for test is not a great idea for some, but sure once this blade is clear tested and used enough time then it will help others to decide without doubt if yes or no, i have Jun Mizutani ZLC [not super] which is expensive already, so i don't want to buy this one expensive too and feel it is not that much different than JM blade or not that much worth, but my JM is really a fast blade with not much control for player like me.

Flash Gordon
03-17-2015, 07:11 AM
Yeah. Also, if the only difference is the angle of the carbon, why is one more expensive than the other? Sounds a bit like pythagorean bigotry to me.
i agree with you it would be nice to know why the price is different between these two blades. i think it has to be something with the production and the material but it would be nice if somebody knew why!

varik
03-17-2015, 01:54 PM
Compared with the well knowned Timo Boll ALC where these blades stand ?

The difference in the price justify ? is the 190 more a speed and 145 more control ?

docbrown
03-17-2015, 02:01 PM
Compared with the well knowned Timo Boll ALC where these blades stand ?

The difference in the price justify ? is the 190 more a speed and 145 more control ?

As far as I understand, both the blades have the same speed/control but different trajectories and sweet spots because of the different angles of the carbon. I have asked around regarding the price but all seems to think its because of production costs which seems logical.

AndySmith
03-17-2015, 02:42 PM
As far as I understand, both the blades have the same speed/control but different trajectories and sweet spots because of the different angles of the carbon. I have asked around regarding the price but all seems to think its because of production costs which seems logical.

I'm glad it seems logical to you - that means you can explain how rotating the carbon 45 degrees costs more?

varik
03-17-2015, 03:50 PM
I dont even care if one costs more than the other ... what i care is that the 45 cost 70€ more that the TB ALC and if its that much better. the blades have 2 moths on the market so its normal that we have too many questions about them. Still trying to find wich is more suitable for my play style.

The simple fact that one sells more than the other can justify the price diff.

raazzz
03-17-2015, 08:18 PM
Very informative review Raz! I think the three blades you did a review of is the three best looking blades in the world! So Clean design!

Agree, love the look and feel of them!

raazzz
03-17-2015, 08:22 PM
Thanks for the review.
I'm still doubting which of the Carbonado's to buy. I like the high trajectory of the 145, but also the control in the short game of the 190 :)

Haha yeah thats a hard choice! I wan't to make clear that I noticed a very slight difference in the control in the short game, both had very good control. I think the small difference can have to do with how the carbon lays in different angles. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts about the blade you choose when you have tried it!

raazzz
03-17-2015, 08:32 PM
what and great review raazzz. loved it. very informative and great that you could compare with the butterfly blade. i hope you will have chance to give some more reviews in the future.
do you know if its the same kind of wood construction in both the stiga blades? i was wondering if its only the different angles that makes the difference characteristics, if its like that then this is really something new.

Thanks Flash! I will definitely try to do! As far as I can tell and by the info from Stiga I would say that it's the exact same wood material in the blades. Only difference is the of the carbon. yes agree!

raazzz
03-17-2015, 08:35 PM
I'm glad it seems logical to you - that means you can explain how rotating the carbon 45 degrees costs more?

Sadly I don't know either, but must have something to do with the production I think. The red color should not be that more expensive than blue :D

TareqPhoto
03-17-2015, 09:03 PM
Sadly I don't know either, but must have something to do with the production I think. The blue color should not be that more expensive than red :D

I am willing to buy more just for that blue color ;)

TTHopeful
03-17-2015, 09:09 PM
Thanks raazzz beautiful pictures! Great review.

docbrown
03-17-2015, 10:20 PM
I'm glad it seems logical to you - that means you can explain how rotating the carbon 45 degrees costs more?

I can't explain why the price is higher, but like all products from all companies, in all areas of the world, the price is a result of the production costs. I don't know how the 45 degree can cost more. But I'm sure it costs more to produce in some way. Otherwise the brand would publicly say that the 145 is "better". Instead they say that the only difference is the angles. I think this is very interesting and its good marketing. Just like Red bull.

TareqPhoto
03-18-2015, 08:31 AM
Maybe placing it 45 degree is the hardest part, and placing it 90 degree is not a hard work, maybe that gave that 145 more cost? in all cases, i like the blue one 190 regardless if the red is better overall maybe.

TurboZ
03-18-2015, 03:00 PM
I paid the same for both blades from ttex Sweden so I think they are not meant to be different in price in the first place. No idea why they have different price after leaving their country of origin.

joskelly
03-19-2015, 08:12 AM
Price differential is a very effective marketing device. Stiga are very clever.
The most important effect Stiga will be aiming for from this strategy is a psychological one on the potential buyer. It's a very effective tool for influencing a potential buyers decision making. Anyone making a purchase like this will mentally conduct a comparison process. If they were the same price, it's easier to perceive them essentially as the same bat with only minor differences therefore you are more likely introduce a product from a competitor to use as the comparison. If you are comparing the value aspect of the two carbonado blades it's the price difference you focus on more than the overall price therefore an extra €10 doesn't seem too bad. If however your comparison is with a competitive blade that's €50 cheaper you might not see the Carbonado as such good value. Of course there's no strategy that works on every buyer but overall Stiga are being very clever doing what they're doing. All over the forums the debate is whether the 145 is worth an extra few euros, less debate is taking place about the overall value even though these products represent a step up in price point for Stiga.
In addition to all of this it also helps managing the manufacturing forecasts. If they set the price the same it's much harder to predict output. Price one a little below the other though and you know you will sell substantially more of that one and you can set the production capacity accordingly. Economies of scale affect the manufacturing costs so although the raw material costs will be the same, overall profitability will be comparable on the two versions.

hopper
03-19-2015, 10:52 AM
Love your explanation!
Clear indication they fool around with us....and we follow as happy sheep....:o

Flash Gordon
03-20-2015, 09:28 AM
Price differential is a very effective marketing device. Stiga are very clever.
The most important effect Stiga will be aiming for from this strategy is a psychological one on the potential buyer. It's a very effective tool for influencing a potential buyers decision making. Anyone making a purchase like this will mentally conduct a comparison process. If they were the same price, it's easier to perceive them essentially as the same bat with only minor differences therefore you are more likely introduce a product from a competitor to use as the comparison. If you are comparing the value aspect of the two carbonado blades it's the price difference you focus on more than the overall price therefore an extra €10 doesn't seem too bad. If however your comparison is with a competitive blade that's €50 cheaper you might not see the Carbonado as such good value. Of course there's no strategy that works on every buyer but overall Stiga are being very clever doing what they're doing. All over the forums the debate is whether the 145 is worth an extra few euros, less debate is taking place about the overall value even though these products represent a step up in price point for Stiga.
In addition to all of this it also helps managing the manufacturing forecasts. If they set the price the same it's much harder to predict output. Price one a little below the other though and you know you will sell substantially more of that one and you can set the production capacity accordingly. Economies of scale affect the manufacturing costs so although the raw material costs will be the same, overall profitability will be comparable on the two versions.

thanks for the explantion. this make sense if there is no extra cost in the manufacturing.

notarius.publicus
03-20-2015, 03:40 PM
Price differential is a very effective marketing device. Stiga are very clever.
The most important effect Stiga will be aiming for from this strategy is a psychological one on the potential buyer. It's a very effective tool for influencing a potential buyers decision making. Anyone making a purchase like this will mentally conduct a comparison process. If they were the same price, it's easier to perceive them essentially as the same bat with only minor differences therefore you are more likely introduce a product from a competitor to use as the comparison. If you are comparing the value aspect of the two carbonado blades it's the price difference you focus on more than the overall price therefore an extra €10 doesn't seem too bad. If however your comparison is with a competitive blade that's €50 cheaper you might not see the Carbonado as such good value. Of course there's no strategy that works on every buyer but overall Stiga are being very clever doing what they're doing. All over the forums the debate is whether the 145 is worth an extra few euros, less debate is taking place about the overall value even though these products represent a step up in price point for Stiga.
In addition to all of this it also helps managing the manufacturing forecasts. If they set the price the same it's much harder to predict output. Price one a little below the other though and you know you will sell substantially more of that one and you can set the production capacity accordingly. Economies of scale affect the manufacturing costs so although the raw material costs will be the same, overall profitability will be comparable on the two versions.

I can buy a lot of what you are saying. The important thing is that the blades is awesome and of top quality. And they often are from this brand! Then the price doesn't matter that much. A blade you can use for forever. What I really don't like are high priced rubbers that don't last for more than a couple of weeks. But every brand has that problem. But Tenergy is the most expensive.

joskelly
03-20-2015, 04:01 PM
I hope it didn't sound as if I was being critical of Stiga? It wasn't my intention. What this shows is they're a well run business with a CEO that knows what he's doing. (He has been recognised as the best CEO in Sweden I believe). Stiga have fantastic products but in this day and age you still have to employ sound marketing strategies to sell sufficient quantities to survive. I was just trying to explain the business rationale behind different pricing for products that logic would indicate would cost the same. I hope the strategy works because the more profit they make, the more funds they have to invest in R&D which means even better products for us in the future.

Flash Gordon
03-21-2015, 06:34 AM
thanks for your great and informative reviews. do you think that any of these two blades can work with a soft rubber on, such as tenergy 64 fx or any other rubber with soft sponge?

raazzz
03-21-2015, 12:04 PM
thanks for your great and informative reviews. do you think that any of these two blades can work with a soft rubber on, such as tenergy 64 fx or any other rubber with soft sponge?

I tried it with Airoc S for one practice most for fun and that worked really well. I usually play with harder rubbers like Airoc M or Tenergy 05 since it suits me better but if you prefer soft rubbers I would say it fits the blade great too.

Flash Gordon
03-23-2015, 11:02 AM
I tried it with Airoc S for one practice most for fun and that worked really well. I usually play with harder rubbers like Airoc M or Tenergy 05 since it suits me better but if you prefer soft rubbers I would say it fits the blade great too.
i like to have soft rubbers to get the great noice when striking the ball so I'm a bit concerned to get a good blade for my soft rubbers.

varik
03-23-2015, 02:51 PM
i like to have soft rubbers to get the great noice when striking the ball so I'm a bit concerned to get a good blade for my soft rubbers.

The Carbonado 145 seems to be an excellent option IMO

raazzz
03-23-2015, 05:41 PM
The Carbonado 145 seems to be an excellent option IMO

I think so too, what is your game style Flash Gordon?

raazzz
03-23-2015, 09:49 PM
Updated with a short Review on the Butterfly Interforce ALC with a comparison to the Carbonado 190. Just ask if you got some questions! :)

docbrown
03-23-2015, 10:13 PM
Interesting review Raazzz! Which of these blades would you recommend with Donic Bluefire? A guy in my club has been saying to me that I really need to switch to Bluefire. Although I am really sceptic! It would take a really great rubber for me to change from my Tenergy! Which blade will you play with from now on? Any of the ones you have reviewed?

I play with a STIGA blade now and have done so for many years. I'm very interested in Carbonado after reading yours and others reviews.

Keep up the good work!

raazzz
03-23-2015, 10:36 PM
Interesting review Raazzz! Which of these blades would you recommend with Donic Bluefire? A guy in my club has been saying to me that I really need to switch to Bluefire. Although I am really sceptic! It would take a really great rubber for me to change from my Tenergy! Which blade will you play with from now on? Any of the ones you have reviewed?

I play with a STIGA blade now and have done so for many years. I'm very interested in Carbonado after reading yours and others reviews.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks Doc! Yeah changing from Tenergy can be hard haha, I think all of the blades I have reviewed can be a good alternative for Bluefire and it's of course very individual. What is your game style? I will continue to play with the Carbonado 190 and that is of course the blade I would recommend for you too since I like it much and that is of course if you have a similar game style as me!

Flash Gordon
03-24-2015, 07:43 AM
I think so too, what is your game style Flash Gordon?
i like to play out from the table with spin from both sides but is not a hard hitter, my strongest part is to play clever :). im also heavy so i not often stand right when striking the ball and need help from the rubbers and the blade. what do you think?

raazzz
03-25-2015, 08:39 PM
I think the Carbonado would be a great choice Gordon!

Spitfire
03-25-2015, 09:38 PM
How fast is the Blade?

Currently play with a STIGA Offensive classic Carbon...with Calibra both sides?

can someone upload a video of them playing practising with the 145?

raazzz
04-11-2015, 04:56 PM
How fast is the Blade?

Currently play with a STIGA Offensive classic Carbon...with Calibra both sides?

can someone upload a video of them playing practising with the 145?

It's fast but not extremely, as I have reviewed it has very good control.

Flash Gordon
04-13-2015, 10:54 AM
It's fast but not extremely, as I have reviewed it has very good control.
i can confirm that its fast but still controlable. i let some players in my small club test it and the most players liked it, fast but with great control. the weight is also great. mine is 86 grams

Killerspintt
04-13-2015, 12:33 PM
After having played a little with both carbonados (I ordered a 190 and a friend got a 145), I definitely chose the 190, was planning to order a 145........but bought a second 190 instead :D

The 190 is balanced so well, such an amazing control. And despite the flatter trajectory, I feel that 190 has even better dwell time than 145. I'll maybe write a full review after in few weeks.

The 145 is great, but it feels like many other premium blades (somewhere between Maze AlC and Innerforce ALC), the the 190 is something really "special".

Mofluk
04-13-2015, 12:58 PM
I have just bought a Viscaria.... Can't wait to try it :D

raazzz
04-13-2015, 03:55 PM
After having played a little with both carbonados (I ordered a 190 and a friend got a 145), I definitely chose the 190, was planning to order a 145........but bought a second 190 instead :D

The 190 is balanced so well, such an amazing control. And despite the flatter trajectory, I feel that 190 has even better dwell time than 145. I'll maybe write a full review after in few weeks.


The 145 is great, but it feels like many other premium blades (somewhere between Maze AlC and Innerforce ALC), the the 190 is something really "special".

Nice you like it! Looking forward for your full review :)

raazzz
04-13-2015, 03:57 PM
I have just bought a Viscaria.... Can't wait to try it :D

I hope it plays well, would like to hear your thoughts on it :)

TTHopeful
04-18-2015, 08:59 AM
I have just bought a Viscaria.... Can't wait to try it :D

Hows that Viscaria? Like it?

Flash Gordon
04-22-2015, 06:23 AM
mofluk how was the viscaria? did you compare to carbonado?

F1lle
05-17-2015, 05:09 PM
ŒHey Raazzz, first of I wanna say that this was an absolutely great and very informative review, Thank you! :)

I'm very interested in These so called Carbonado Series, but it's so difficult to choose one of them. I use Tenergy 25 on both my FH and BH, but I can't remember what the blade is called. I find that my blade is very Heavy...

I'm a talented TT player and I have played Table tennis for about 4 years now. I'm a very aggressive and very offensive player who likes to stay in close to mid range to the table, mostly close range. I loop with power and with spin. Against serves I flick with my backhand with sidespin and I loop with my forehand with power and spin. I attack right when my opponent serves. I like to put much spin on my serves and I when my opponent is looping and when I recieve a strong and Heavy loop, I block, if I see that it's not that spin on the loop Or stroke, then I counter topsin, this situation comes usually when i'm close to the table and I have my opponent looping far from the table Or in mid range from the table. I smash very much and I like to put my opponent on pressure and attack. I'm a very offensive and a very aggressive players who likes to play with speed, spin and control close to the table and in mid range to the table. I like to play strong shots and I challenge myself.

Is it any of These Carbonados that you would recommend for me and that suits my playstyle and how I play?
And is it any kind of rubber that you would recommend for me that is great with the Carbonado 145 Or 190 and that suits my playstyle?

And which one of These Carbonados do you think I would match with and which one would you recommend?

By the way, I have some pictures of the blade and the rubber that I currently use, my setup.
http://i58.tinypic.com/2n7malc.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/2lwudjr.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/2hxliiv.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/ivbhbb.jpg

raazzz
05-17-2015, 08:15 PM
Hi F1lle! I'm glad you liked it! First of all I think they both will work good with your game style and the difference between the blades is not that big. I personally using the 190 so thats the one I like to recommend. When it comes to rubbers it's a little hard to say. I think airoc and Tenergy works good but thats maybe just for me. Do you like soft or hard rubbers, and how do you want the weight on the rubbers to be?

F1lle
05-18-2015, 01:20 PM
Hi F1lle! I'm glad you liked it! First of all I think they both will work good with your game style and the difference between the blades is not that big. I personally using the 190 so thats the one I like to recommend. When it comes to rubbers it's a little hard to say. I think airoc and Tenergy works good but thats maybe just for me. Do you like soft or hard rubbers, and how do you want the weight on the rubbers to be?

Hey Raazzz! Yeah the difference isn't that big, but you know in the Carbonado 145 it's Torsional with a 45 degree angle and in the Carbonado 190 it's flexural with a 90 degree angle. It also has a big sweet spot.

And the rubbers, I think I will put either Airoc M on this blade, but I like the Airoc M rubber. I like hard rubbers. But I don't think that I have tried out any soft rubber at all. Calibra Tour M also seems to be good with this blade. But i'm most interested in the Airoc M rubber.

Actually, my current blade with rubber, is 189 grams I think and when I hold my current blade in my hand, I feel that it is very heavy. But I like light to medium rubbers, I think mostly Medium. And I want my Carbonado to be light with Blade and rubber :)

Thank you in advance :)

Cornel
05-18-2015, 04:47 PM
ŒHey Raazzz, first of I wanna say that this was an absolutely great and very informative review, Thank you! :)

I'm very interested in These so called Carbonado Series, but it's so difficult to choose one of them. I use Tenergy 25 on both my FH and BH, but I can't remember what the blade is called. I find that my blade is very Heavy...

I'm a talented TT player and I have played Table tennis for about 4 years now. I'm a very aggressive and very offensive player who likes to stay in close to mid range to the table, mostly close range. I loop with power and with spin. Against serves I flick with my backhand with sidespin and I loop with my forehand with power and spin. I attack right when my opponent serves. I like to put much spin on my serves and I when my opponent is looping and when I recieve a strong and Heavy loop, I block, if I see that it's not that spin on the loop Or stroke, then I counter topsin, this situation comes usually when i'm close to the table and I have my opponent looping far from the table Or in mid range from the table. I smash very much and I like to put my opponent on pressure and attack. I'm a very offensive and a very aggressive players who likes to play with speed, spin and control close to the table and in mid range to the table. I like to play strong shots and I challenge myself.

Is it any of These Carbonados that you would recommend for me and that suits my playstyle and how I play?
And is it any kind of rubber that you would recommend for me that is great with the Carbonado 145 Or 190 and that suits my playstyle?

And which one of These Carbonados do you think I would match with and which one would you recommend?


F1lle, it seems that your blade is the wood from the DHS A6002 pre-made racket, so, as expected, no info about the blade is available, except the one that it is a 5-ply one.

F1lle
05-18-2015, 04:52 PM
Yeah, Thank you Cornel!

Now I remember when I was in Shanghai and bought the blade :)

I'll remember that and keep that in mind.

/F1lle

TurboZ
05-18-2015, 04:52 PM
@F1ile
Is it the photo doing tricks or the sponge colour of your Tenergy is yellow?

Cornel
05-18-2015, 04:54 PM
@F1ile
Is it the photo doing tricks or the sponge colour of your Tenergy is yellow?

TurboZ, nice catch, to me it also seems that it isn't the reddish sponge of the original tenergy.

F1lle
05-18-2015, 04:55 PM
Haha Turboz, do you mean the wrong side of the pictures? If so then yeah, it got messed up.

F1lle
05-18-2015, 04:58 PM
I can tell you that it is an orange, red sponge. It's like orange.

/Filip

rxng
07-11-2015, 10:23 PM
Nice review and pictures...I recently get my 145 and ready to play with both sides Airoc M.

raazzz
07-12-2015, 06:34 PM
Nice review and pictures...I recently get my 145 and ready to play with both sides Airoc M.

Nice to hear I hope it will suit you too. Let us know how it plays :)

TareqPhoto
07-12-2015, 09:29 PM
Maybe Carbonado 145 would be in my list for next year, but i will keep watching the reviews about this Carbonado or the one i have, 190.

adi1024
07-13-2015, 06:27 PM
Carbonado 190
excellent blade for close/mid distance play .... has a slightly low throw which keeps your loop drives and blocks close to net height ..... I m using andro rasant (black) on FH and tibhar aurus soft on BH ... both rubbers are med/med-high throw and hence fit perfectly on this blade .... esp aurus soft is perfect BH rubber for this blade ( aurus soft is not very speedy, hence matching this fast blade + med-high throw rubber matching the low throw of the blade) ... the arc of backhand loop, played either over the table or away from the table, gets the ball to land almost always on the other side.
Blade is powerful from all distances and allows good control close to the table : the stiffness help in serve receives : hardness ensures that your pushes are well directed even at extreme angles.

raazzz
07-14-2015, 10:44 PM
Thanks for your thoughts aid1024, which blade did you use before the Carboando 190?

adi1024
07-15-2015, 05:43 PM
Well, i have tried blades from Donic (WSUC), Tibhar (stratus power wood, stratus samsonov carbon), butterfly (tbs, viscaria, amultart) .... but 190 felt better at blocking close to the table (one issue that was causing problems for me) ... its low throw, stiffness helps a lot here ... plus it is powerful as well when needed ..... !!

raazzz
07-27-2015, 11:55 PM
I also really like the feel in the Block, have you tried the 145 too?

poseidon
11-14-2017, 05:42 AM
raazzz, do the two blades feel head-heavy with T05 on both sides?

Giangt
11-14-2017, 06:43 AM
I do not recall that the setup is heavy with t05 and h3

yogi_bear
11-15-2017, 03:28 AM
For a looper, the 145 is easier and better because of the higher throw. I would compare.them now more to the old innerforce bade.