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Paul Drinkhall
04-07-2015, 06:38 PM
*******FOURTH REVIEW HERE... CLICK BELOW....********

Hi guys - working with TableTennisDaily, TIBHAR and Bribar Table Tennis, I'll be reviewing different TIBHAR equipment each week to try to help a player to pick the best combination of blade and rubber for each individual style of play.

I'll be giving my personal opinions and views on a range of equipment that will eventually cover something for every player! My fourth review is the TIBHAR Evolution FX-P rubber, which I tested in maximum sponge thickness on one side of my bat.

You can see my FOURTH review here... :

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/equipment/rubbers/7528-evolution-fx-p

You can get this rubber at the moment at a special discounted rate from Bribar Table Tennis here:

http://shop.bribartt.co.uk/tibhar-evolution-fx-p.html


​Check it out!

AndySmith
04-07-2015, 09:13 PM
Hi Paul!

It's fantastic to have a top pro-level player reviewing equipment on the forum. Will definitely give a different dimension to the info that's available out there at the moment.

Sorry to be cheeky, but if you're taking requests on Tibhar equipment then any chance of a review of MX-S? A comparison to MX-P would be incredibly useful for lots of people who are considering it, and you're in a great position to do that!

raazzz
04-07-2015, 11:22 PM
Good review Paul, very informative!

TareqPhoto
04-07-2015, 11:55 PM
Hi Paul,

Thanks for doing this effort, very helpful.

Because of you i ordered Tibhar Evolution MX-P rubber, you just didn't tell me which thickness and which side, but i didn't want to use this rubber so early on both sides, so i decided to put it on FH only now [black] with thickness 1.9mm, hope it will be a good recommendation from you, i trust you.

TareqPhoto
04-08-2015, 12:29 AM
About the price, i bought it cheaper than your link, Paul, but it is ok, maybe for UK people that is the best link to buy from or cheapest, just keep up your reviews about Tibhar, i am started to give this brand a go more in the future i hope.

Paul Drinkhall
04-08-2015, 08:46 AM
Hi Paul!

It's fantastic to have a top pro-level player reviewing equipment on the forum. Will definitely give a different dimension to the info that's available out there at the moment.

Sorry to be cheeky, but if you're taking requests on Tibhar equipment then any chance of a review of MX-S? A comparison to MX-P would be incredibly useful for lots of people who are considering it, and you're in a great position to do that!

Thanks Andy - funny you should mention (and not cheeky at all!) but that's the next rubber I'm doing! Look out for it next week.

Paul Drinkhall
04-08-2015, 08:48 AM
Good review Paul, very informative!

Hi raazzz, thank you very much! I'll be reviewing the TIBHAR Evolution MX-S next week, look out for it!

Paul Drinkhall
04-08-2015, 08:56 AM
Hi Paul,

Thanks for doing this effort, very helpful.

Because of you i ordered Tibhar Evolution MX-P rubber, you just didn't tell me which thickness and which side, but i didn't want to use this rubber so early on both sides, so i decided to put it on FH only now [black] with thickness 1.9mm, hope it will be a good recommendation from you, i trust you.

Hi Tareq, I use 2.1 thickness on both sides of my blade. I'm glad you found the review useful and I hope you like the MX-P as much as I do! Of course in some different countries things can be cheaper or more expensive, so that's all fine. Glad I could help and good luck!

Olio
04-08-2015, 10:07 AM
That's great news for us to have a Pro participating in this forum, and particularly doing testing! EJs will be chuffed!

varik
04-08-2015, 11:18 AM
Hi Paul,
Are you thinking on reviewing other brands besides Tibhar in the future ?

Paul Drinkhall
04-08-2015, 11:33 AM
Hi Paul,
Are you thinking on reviewing other brands besides Tibhar in the future ?

Hi Varik - Since I tired the TIBHAR Evolution MX-P rubber, I made the switch to a partnership with TIBHAR as I thought the equipment (and this rubber in particular) was the best for my game. I of course sampled some other rubbers and was impressed, but this is best for me. For the forseeable future I'll be reviewing TIBHAR equipment and helping players of different style decide which is the best choice for the style that they play from the range that they have. I hope it will help and bring some really good equipment to players attention that they may not have been aware of previously!

Olio
04-08-2015, 11:51 AM
Paul, this is very interesting. I was considering to move away from Tenergy, as I think for the average player in the British League the cost / benefits ratio is going to turn for the worse with the new poly ball.

As I am looking for something similar but with a bit more tack, I was wondering if you'd also test the FX-P? While I undesrtand (and you've confirmed) MX-P is the T05 equivalent, would you say FX-P is the T05FX equivalent?
Feel free not to answer this question directly, just let us know if you're going to test the FX-P in the near future.

TareqPhoto
04-08-2015, 12:01 PM
The more i see people comparing many rubbers to Tenergy the more i feel i must play using this rubber more and more even if i lose alot, so that one day i can get used to it and will improve with it, it is like if that Tenergy wasn't expensive then i may see 95% players all over the world using it regardless of it is fast or tacky or heavy or whatever, the brand name and model quality alone speaks itself from what i see.

AndySmith
04-08-2015, 12:23 PM
Thanks Andy - funny you should mention (and not cheeky at all!) but that's the next rubber I'm doing! Look out for it next week.

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7279&stc=1

Paul Drinkhall
04-08-2015, 02:38 PM
Paul, this is very interesting. I was considering to move away from Tenergy, as I think for the average player in the British League the cost / benefits ratio is going to turn for the worse with the new poly ball.

As I am looking for something similar but with a bit more tack, I was wondering if you'd also test the FX-P? While I undesrtand (and you've confirmed) MX-P is the T05 equivalent, would you say FX-P is the T05FX equivalent?
Feel free not to answer this question directly, just let us know if you're going to test the FX-P in the near future.

Hi Olio - yes the costs of some rubbers are of course quite high. Personally, once I tried the Evolution MX-P I knew I would make the change, I really liked the rubber. Fortunately TIBHAR were interested in working with me also so it was good luck timing wise, and now they have a major uk distributor with Bribar Table Tennis I think more and more people might also like the Evolution range. I'm not sure about the direct equivalent yet, but the guys at Bribar most certainly will so I'd give them a call and ask if that's the equivalent in this range. I will be testing the rubber soon, I'm starting with the Evolution range and once I do I can give my full opinion and reccomendation about what players should consider trying it to maximise thier game!

Really hope this helps.

NextLevel
04-08-2015, 02:45 PM
Paul,

Is there any room in Tibhar's blade line for a Drinkhall Stratus Carbon blade which will have the handle you prefer? That way, fans will feel comfortable that they are using the blades of their favorite pros.

NL

Paul Drinkhall
04-08-2015, 02:50 PM
Hi Next Level - thanks for the comment, yes we will be looking at this in the near future, I'm very happy with blade I am using but of course I will make some very small modifications just to my liking whilst in the development stages!

Der_Echte
04-08-2015, 04:31 PM
I really liked MX-P on solid composite blades, I had an ALC at the time and the transition coming from T05 wasn't difficult to make. MX-P is a different animal altogether, but I found generally, I could make my shots without changing a lot consciously. I found you really had to be on the money for a slow opener, but if you were inpacting an incoming ball with any pace on it or you were solidly impacting the ball with forward stroke, you REALLY got rewarded with explosive speed/spin. That was a very strong point.

Giangt
04-08-2015, 09:18 PM
Hi Paul, great review you did on the MX-P rubber from Tibhar. I am glad that you like the rubbers so much and the properties of the rubbers can contribute in your game play.

I have some questions about both the rubber and blade. Maybe the blade is a bit off topic, but here goes anyway.

Regarding the MX-P how would you rate or compare the throw angle of the rubber?
Do you play with a specific hardness of the rubber and do you know what it is?
Do you get like a PRO version of the rubber which is cut from the core of a production sheet or is it the same as the commercial ones we buy?

Now to the blade :) Do you have any preference to the head size of the blade? I heard that the rubbers where a bit to the heavy side which means most people would choose a small head size blade to pair with the rubbers. You look pretty fit so you must have a pair of big guns ;)
What weight of the blade do you prefer? As I understand a lot of Pro's choose to have a blade on the +90g side.

KM1976
04-09-2015, 05:38 AM
Hi Paul,

Thank you for sharing your views about Tibhar MX-P rubber. I really like your review and the information which you have shared on this product.
I would like to make a some requests to you, based on my experiences with the sport:

1. Most of us are amateur players who do not have very high arm speed or solid dynamics. So, if you can explain how the products reviewed by you will suit players with slower arm speed then it would be a good parameter for amateurs to understand the product. For example, if I make a loop with less arm speed how will the rubber react? Is it forgiving in this scenario or is it not?

2. Weight of the rubber/blade - This is one aspect where I struggle personally. Since I have been playing with lighter setups, therefore, heavier setups slow down my recovery and also introduce muscle pain while practicing for longer duration. I would request you to please also share the weight of the rubber/blade while taking any light weighted rubber/blade from Tibhar as a benchmark.

Lastly, I would like to thank you for taking few moments of your precious time and helping us out by sharing your immense experience and knowledge on this forum.

Kind regards,
KM1976

Paul Drinkhall
04-09-2015, 02:45 PM
Hi Paul, great review you did on the MX-P rubber from Tibhar. I am glad that you like the rubbers so much and the properties of the rubbers can contribute in your game play.

I have some questions about both the rubber and blade. Maybe the blade is a bit off topic, but here goes anyway.

Regarding the MX-P how would you rate or compare the throw angle of the rubber?
Do you play with a specific hardness of the rubber and do you know what it is?
Do you get like a PRO version of the rubber which is cut from the core of a production sheet or is it the same as the commercial ones we buy?

Now to the blade :) Do you have any preference to the head size of the blade? I heard that the rubbers where a bit to the heavy side which means most people would choose a small head size blade to pair with the rubbers. You look pretty fit so you must have a pair of big guns ;)
What weight of the blade do you prefer? As I understand a lot of Pro's choose to have a blade on the +90g side.

Hi Giangt thanks for the questions!

1) When people talk about 'throw angle', it's really hard to rate and you should be aware of anybody that does a review and gives a definite rating for this. The reason is that it depends on your stroke, how you contact the ball, your timing point etc - these are individual things and the bat is in YOUR hand! All I can say is that I always tell people to test the rubbers themselves for this reason following on from any reccomendation. That way you can see how you like the rebound of the rubber and how it suits your style of play.

2) The rubbers I have been given by TIBHAR so far have all been fine for me and I have not asked for any specific hardness of the sponge. I think it is possible that some people can read to much into how hard or soft a sponge might be by a very small amount. I do not check the weight of my rubbers, I play with them and that way I know straight away if the particular sheet is good for me - so far I have used about 15 sets of rubber and I have not noticed the differences in the sponge or felt the need to change yet, and I don't expect to! The sheets are very consistent.

3) I am unsure as all of my rubber sheets are sent by TIBHAR. I tried several types of the Evolution range at the facility near Saarbrucken in Germany with the TIBHAR experts and they made some notes on which sheets I preferred. I would have absolutely no problem at all in picking up a sheet of Evolution MX-P from any supplier if I was ever to run short or anything or forget to pack some spare sets of rubber in my bag for a competition. I am comfortable with in using them from any source.

Blade - It's just the normal size Samsonov stratus carbon, it's a regular sized blade head. I've never used a compact size blade head and I have no problem with the weight of my bat so that's ok for me! I'm more concerned with how the blade feels and how it combines with my rubber sheets. As for my fitness... thank you, I do try :p

I have not weighed my blade but I know that some pro's do like to be aware of the weights, but this is more around different batches to determine they can get a blade that is very close to the existing one when making a change.

Hope this answers your questions!

Paul Drinkhall
04-09-2015, 04:58 PM
Hi Paul,

Thank you for sharing your views about Tibhar MX-P rubber. I really like your review and the information which you have shared on this product.
I would like to make a some requests to you, based on my experiences with the sport:

1. Most of us are amateur players who do not have very high arm speed or solid dynamics. So, if you can explain how the products reviewed by you will suit players with slower arm speed then it would be a good parameter for amateurs to understand the product. For example, if I make a loop with less arm speed how will the rubber react? Is it forgiving in this scenario or is it not?

2. Weight of the rubber/blade - This is one aspect where I struggle personally. Since I have been playing with lighter setups, therefore, heavier setups slow down my recovery and also introduce muscle pain while practicing for longer duration. I would request you to please also share the weight of the rubber/blade while taking any light weighted rubber/blade from Tibhar as a benchmark.

Lastly, I would like to thank you for taking few moments of your precious time and helping us out by sharing your immense experience and knowledge on this forum.

Kind regards,
KM1976

Hi KM1976, thanks and glad you liked the review! Here's the answers to your questions:

1) Generally the rubber will react to what type of stroke you make. This doesn't make the rubber or the blade any slower, it means that it is reacting to your stroke and how you make it. A great way to increase arm speed is to do 'shadow play' with a slightly heavier bat for minute intervals at a time, so for instance stand in front of a mirror to watch your technique and use a heavier blade (put on lots of edging tape, two sets of old rubbers, ANYTHING to make it heavier - but not to heavy!) to perform the stroke over and over at maximum speed. Then rest for a minute and repeat. Build up over time till you are doing say ten singleminutes with a minutes rest in between.

2) To make a blade lighten you can sand down the edges to change the shave slightly or the handle etc, this all helps to reduce weight. BE CAREFUL -it's the BALANCE that is very important, for instance some players like a top heavy blade, some do not. It's all personal!

It's my pleasure asnwering your questions, but thank you for the appreciation.

tabletennisuk
04-09-2015, 07:53 PM
Hi Paul, as a recent convert to Tibhar, I too am hugely impressed by the evolution range. They are great rubbers and are a match for those vastly more expensive rubbers offered by the likes of Stiga and Butterfly. It's great to see you promoting this fantastic family of equipment!


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TareqPhoto
04-09-2015, 11:52 PM
I started to love Tibhar items, i tested 2 rackets that have Tibhar items either rubbers or blade or both, and what, they both perform better than my current 3 rackets, i really don't know why, what is about those rackets that mine lacks, i forgot to snapshot those rackets, and i will try next time, but i hope that the MX-P which Paul recommended will give me that performance i am looking for.

Der_Echte
04-10-2015, 12:12 PM
Hi KM1976, thanks and glad you liked the review! Here's the answers to your questions:



2) To make a blade lighten you can sand down the edges to change the shave slightly or the handle etc, this all helps to reduce weight. BE CAREFUL -it's the BALANCE that is very important, for instance some players like a top heavy blade, some do not. It's all personal!

It's my pleasure asnwering your questions, but thank you for the appreciation.

I made quote of answer #2 in green color and different font size to bring attention to the response.

I have been public in my support for HEAVIER blades with more weight LOW if the blade is made to have a hollow handle. Some of my threads detailing this mod have been wither informative or borderline insane depending on your position. I totally agree, it is a personal matter about head heavy or not, I am certainly firmly in the other side of that coin.

I

Der_Echte
04-10-2015, 12:20 PM
For the record, I have used Tibhar rubbers (after a short stint with Calibra LT) for FH on my main bats. Mostly Aurus, since it is very consistent and dependable on just about any blade. (That is why I use it to test blades, I know the rubber and what I am getting ad it isn't as blade dependent as some other rubbers.

I tried MX-P a month before it hit market (got a test sheet from Korean distributor when I was in Korea) and liked it on the ALC I used at the time (before it cracked - Bummer) and NOW, for EVO series I like FX-P a LOT. Spin on openers and medium strokes is insane strong and i dont miss pace. Soft topspin defense more possible.

I realize a lot of pros like a hard sponge rubber for FH (and I like one if it suits the blade) but I found FX-P works better for me in a match with most of the recent Nexy blades I long term tested. One of our sponsored payers in Dallas requested MX-P to use with Calix II and is testing it (so far really likes it) and should post his results soon on FB.

samsoung
04-10-2015, 12:42 PM
Hi Paul, great review ;)

especially about your tryouts with different blades, still how the rubber works with the Stiga Infinity VPS?

thx in advance

NextLevel
04-10-2015, 08:17 PM
The MX-S review is the most eagerly anticipated review of the year so far... more important is who its for and who it's not for than whether it is a good rubber or not...

Paul Drinkhall
04-23-2015, 11:36 AM
Hi - following my review last week of the TIBHAR Evolution MX-S, I decided to stay with the Evolution range and test out the Evolution EL-P to see how they compared to each other.

This is a really good option for attackers who want a good balance between speed, spin and control - the sponge being a little softer than the Evolution MX-P that I use means it's a really good option for players wanting slightly more control and a more 'medium' trype sponge feeling.

You can check out my review here:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/equipment/rubbers/7527-evolution-el-p

And my sponsor Birbar Table Tennis in the UK has a special offer on the TIBHAR Evolution range at the moment...

http://shop.bribartt.co.uk/tibhar-evolution-el-p.html

Check it out, and hope you all enjoy the review! I'm heading out to China today for the World Championships, so nest week I won't be reviewing anything, but look out for my next review in a couple of weeks time.

TareqPhoto
04-23-2015, 01:33 PM
Hi - following my review last week of the TIBHAR Evolution MX-S, I decided to stay with the Evolution range and test out the Evolution EL-P to see how they compared to each other.

This is a really good option for attackers who want a good balance between speed, spin and control - the sponge being a little softer than the Evolution MX-P that I use means it's a really good option for players wanting slightly more control and a more 'medium' trype sponge feeling.

You can check out my review here:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/equipment/rubbers/7527-evolution-el-p

And my sponsor Birbar Table Tennis in the UK has a special offer on the TIBHAR Evolution range at the moment...

http://shop.bribartt.co.uk/tibhar-evolution-el-p.html

Check it out, and hope you all enjoy the review! I'm heading out to China today for the World Championships, so nest week I won't be reviewing anything, but look out for my next review in a couple of weeks time.

Thanks!

Have a nice week in the WTTC in China, and we always wish you a good luck in any tours or events you participate in, and can't wait you coming back to reviews later.

Tompa8888
05-22-2016, 11:39 PM
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This is so good!! :D