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mahomedy13
05-04-2015, 08:09 PM
These are only those recorded on world tours,No domestic competition.

Ma Long 14:6 Xu Xin
Ma Long 8:4 Zhang Jike
Ma Long 4:0 Fan Zhendong
Ma Long 1:0 Fang Bo
Ma Long 3:0 Yan An
Ma Long 11:0 Jun Mizutani
Ma Long 12:3 Timo Boll
Ma Long 11:0 Dimitrij Ovtcharov
Ma Long 12:2 Chuang Chih-Yuan
Ma Long 11:12 Wang Hao
Ma Long 11:4 Ma Lin
Ma Long 7:3 Wang Liqin
Ma Long 14:2 Joo SaeHyuk

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XX 6:0 CCY
XX 4:4 ZJK
XX 3:1 FZD
XX 2:2 FB
XX 5:2 YA
XX 9:0 MJ
XX 4:1 TB
XX 5:1 DO
XX 3:3 WH
XX 4:2 WL
XX 5:2 MLin
XX 5:0 JSH

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ZJK 3:2 DO
ZJK 5:2 TB
ZJK 1:2 FZD
ZJK 3:2 YA
ZJK 0:1 FB
ZJK 2:2 CCY
ZJK 5:0 MJ
ZJK 9:3 WH
ZJK 6:2 MLin
ZJK 3:3 WL
ZJK 6:2 JSH

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FZD 1:0 JM
FZD 1:0 FB
FZD 4:2 YA
FZD 1:0 TB
FZD 1:0 DO
FZD 3:0 CCY
FZD 3:0 WH
FZD 2:0 JSH

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JSH 3:10 Ma Lin
JSH 0:11 WH
JSH 1:5 WL
JSH 3:7 TB
JSH 3:4 DO
JSH 4:2 MJ
JSH 9:4 CCY

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cakezxc280
05-04-2015, 10:25 PM
CCY.....I cri evri tiem :'(

Dan
05-04-2015, 10:49 PM
Nice topic Mahomedy

Both Jun Mizutani and Dimitrij Ovtcharov have had over 10 attempts each to defeat Ma Long. Impressive, in 20 games there was not one victory against him.

raazzz
05-04-2015, 10:53 PM
Thanks mahomedy13, perfect!

mahomedy13
05-05-2015, 05:43 PM
updated again.

mahomedy13
05-05-2015, 05:44 PM
any specific names wanted? please inform me,and i will try my best to add them

raazzz
05-05-2015, 07:39 PM
any specific names wanted? please inform me,and i will try my best to add them

I would like to know the score between the old swedish legends Waldner and Persson. Maybe hard to find since they surly have played against each other a lot, but they must have got the quastion in some interview or so?

Killerspintt
05-05-2015, 10:29 PM
Ma Long is dominant against everyone (but WH of course). Its impressive......

raazzz
05-06-2015, 03:28 PM
Ma Long is dominant against everyone (but WH of course). Its impressive......

yes, didn't know he was so superior. Extremely impressive!

bricephan
05-06-2015, 03:53 PM
There was always debate who was better between ZJK and ML. For the fans of both, especially me, I was so sick of that sort of topic. However, not many ppl knew that why there had been a huge controversal on ZJK grandslam title composed of 3 winning streaks on big stages (WC, WTTC, OG). It was because he never faced ML on his way to any victory, while he usually lost to ML at that time. If one doubts it, plz refer head to head scores right above.

This time, I have read some folks on TTD was trying so hard to cheapen ML's winning of WTTC by saying ZJK was not on his way to the podium, even the winning ratio between these two are not convincingly favored to ZJK anyway.

Dun even try to correct me that this is only international records, not domestic one. ML in domestic rank is still No.1 for a while.




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brabhamista
05-06-2015, 06:02 PM
I would like to know the score between the old swedish legends Waldner and Persson. Maybe hard to find since they surly have played against each other a lot, but they must have got the quastion in some interview or so?
J-O Waldner and Jörgen Persson played each other 103 times between 1978 and 2014.
The head-to-head score is 53-50 in Jörgen Persson's favour.

You can find all the matches including game scores for each one on Jörgen Persson's website: http://www.jpersson.se/waldi/

BLUE
05-06-2015, 11:06 PM
J-O Waldner and Jörgen Persson played each other 103 times between 1978 and 2014.
The head-to-head score is 53-50 in Jörgen Persson's favour.

You can find all the matches including game scores for each one on Jörgen Persson's website: http://www.jpersson.se/waldi/

Wow, I can't even image how it must feel like to compete over 100 times against the same "Persson" (please don't ban me for that pun:o) in competitive matches. Even more if it would be a friend.

That's really impressive.

I always thought, that Waldner had more wins.

Dan
05-06-2015, 11:08 PM
Wow, I can't even image how it must feel like to compete over 100 times against the same "Persson" (please don't ban me for that pun:o) in competitive matches. Even more if it would be a friend.

That's really impressive.

I always thought, that Waldner had more wins.

Haha love the Pun! That is an incredible stat, very interesting also!

Thanks for sharing!

mahomedy13
05-07-2015, 09:54 AM
J-O Waldner and Jörgen Persson played each other 103 times between 1978 and 2014.
The head-to-head score is 53-50 in Jörgen Persson's favour.

You can find all the matches including game scores for each one on Jörgen Persson's website: http://www.jpersson.se/waldi/

this is funny: on the ittf head to head page,it shows that these two greats only played against eache other twice under ITTf conditions.

The head to head score is 1:1

brabhamista
05-07-2015, 11:54 AM
I always thought, that Waldner had more wins.
I agree. I also thought Waldner dominated Persson for much of the time and that Persson racked up the wins in later years as his competitive career lasted longer. But looking at the scores, we find that none of them dominated the other for any period of time. The longest winning streak was just 4 matches in a row.

Pretty even Stevens ;)

raazzz
05-07-2015, 06:18 PM
Haha that score is insane! Don't even want to know have many trainings matches they got against each other....

jmhuang1154
02-11-2021, 03:28 AM
any specific names wanted? please inform me,and i will try my best to add them
do you have Waldner vs Vladimir Samsonov H2H lifetime record?

Friendshipper
02-11-2021, 11:06 AM
h2h:
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir 10:20

details:
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in French Open 1992
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Swedish Open 1995 / Team
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Swedish Open 1995
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Europe Top 12 1995
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in European Masters Cup 1995
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in Mens World Cup 1996
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in European Club Cup 1996/97
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in European Club Cup 1996/97
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in Qatar Open 1997 / MS Final
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in World Championships 1997 / Team
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in World Championships 1997 / MS Final
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Europe Top 12 1998 / MS Semifinal
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Croatian Open 1998 / MS Semifinal
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Dream Cup 1998 / MS Semifinal
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in Mens World Cup 1998 / Group
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in European Masters Cup 1999
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Dream Cup 1999 / MS Semifinal
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in European Championsleague 1999/00
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in European Championsleague 1999/00
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Croatian Open 2000 / Semifinal
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in Olympic Games 2000 / MS Quarterfinal
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir bt in Pondus Cup 2000 / MS Final
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in World Championships 2001
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in German Open 2001
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Ocean International Continental Masters 2003 / QF
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Europe Top 12 2004
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in World Championships 2005
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Japanese Super Circuit 2005/06
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in Japanese Super Circuit 2005/06
WALDNER Jan-Ove - SAMSONOV Vladimir lt in ETTU-Cup 2009/10

Takkyu_wa_inochi
02-11-2021, 11:14 AM
Samsonov would surely have traded his 20 wins for just 1 win in WTTC 1997

zeio
02-11-2021, 11:34 AM
Samsonov was up 2-0 at Sydney 2000 as well, only to lose 19:21 in the 5th.

yogi_bear
02-12-2021, 06:51 AM
Then Samsonov got his revenge against Waldner when they played again in WTTC Shanghai where on 1 set I think Waldner was score 0-11.

Tinykin
02-12-2021, 07:45 AM
Apparently, Persson had a car accident in 1994 from which he never quite recovered (neck injury). Thus he could not make sustained runs in tournaments. This makes his 2000 WTTC finals match performance against the Chinese a very remarkable one-off in his post 1994 period.

mcangus
02-22-2021, 12:37 AM
Does anyone know Waldner's record versus Schlager?

Friendshipper
02-22-2021, 05:23 PM
Record: 9:3

Details:
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 1996 European Nations Cup
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 23-21, 21-16 1997/98 European League Nat. Teams SF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 16-21, 21-15, 21-17, 21-17 1998 Europe Top 12 at Hamstad
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 22-20, 21-12 1998 ETTC Einhoven/NED Team
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 1999 ITTF Pro Tour Qatar Open QF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:3 20-22, 15-21, 21-17, 18-21 1999 Mens World Cup at Xiaolan QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-16, 11-21, 21-18 2000 German Masters Olympic Preparation Round 16
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:3 2000 ITTF Pro Tour U.S. Open
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 4:1 11-8, 11-9, 7-11, 11-9, 11-5 2001 ITTF Pro Tour Danish Open QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 6-11, 11-6, 11-6, 11-3 2002 ETTC Zareb/CRO Team SF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:4 7-11, 11-9, 8-11, 8-11, 5-11 2004 Mens World Cup at Hangzhou
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:2 2005 Energis Masters Sarrebruck Invitation

mcangus
02-22-2021, 10:50 PM
Record: 9:3

Details:
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 1996 European Nations Cup
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 23-21, 21-16 1997/98 European League Nat. Teams SF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 16-21, 21-15, 21-17, 21-17 1998 Europe Top 12 at Hamstad
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-23, 22-20, 21-12 1998 ETTC Einhoven/NED Team
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 1999 ITTF Pro Tour Qatar Open QF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:3 20-22, 15-21, 21-17, 18-21 1999 Mens World Cup at Xiaolan QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:1 21-16, 11-21, 21-18 2000 German Masters Olympic Preparation Round 16
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 2:3 2000 ITTF Pro Tour U.S. Open
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 4:1 11-8, 11-9, 7-11, 11-9, 11-5 2001 ITTF Pro Tour Danish Open QF
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:1 6-11, 11-6, 11-6, 11-3 2002 ETTC Zareb/CRO Team SF
lost SCHLAGER Werner AUT 1:4 7-11, 11-9, 8-11, 8-11, 5-11 2004 Mens World Cup at Hangzhou
beat SCHLAGER Werner AUT 3:2 2005 Energis Masters Sarrebruck Invitation
Thanks!Wow,he beat him in 2005...That's impressive...I know J. Persson also had a very respectable record versus Schlager. Wish there were more videos of Waldner on the internet.Where do you find h2h stats?Could you find the scores of Waldner versus Kong Linghui/Wang Liqin?

Friendshipper
02-23-2021, 05:10 PM
Waldner - Wang Liqn

Record: 2:6

Deltails;
beat WANG Liqin CHN 3:0 1997 Pro Tour Japan Open, Final
lost WANG Liqin CHN 2:3 1997 ITTF Pro Tour Grand Finals, QF
beat WANG Liqin CHN 2:1 21-14, 18-21, 21-17 1999 Mens World Cup in Xiaolan, China
lost WANG Liqin CHN 1:3 2001 China vs. Sweden
lost WANG Liqin CHN 1:3 2002 China vs. World Challenge
lost WANG Liqin CHN 0:3 Japanese Super Circuit 2005-2006
lost br WANG Liqin CHN 1:4 12-10, 3-11, 8-11, 7-11, 9-11 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece
lost WANG Liqin CHN 3:4 4-11, 9-11, 11-5, 11-3, 10-12, 12-10, 6-11 2004 Pro Tour Singapore Open

Friendshipper
02-23-2021, 05:43 PM
Waldner - Kong Linghui

Record: 7:7

Details:
beat KONG Linghui CHN 2:0 1994 Swedish Open, Team Final
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 1994 Mens World Cup at Taipeh, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 2:1 1996 Mens World Cup at Nimes/FRA
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:1 1997 Pro Tour Qatar Open, SF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:3 1997 Mens World Cup at Nimes/FRA, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:1 1998 Pro Tour Italian Open, QF
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 22-20, 13-21, 21-18, 19-21, 21-15 1999 WTTC in Einhoven, NED, QF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 1:2 1999 Pondus Cup, SF
lost KONG Linghui CHN 1:2 1999 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:2 9-21, 17-21 2000 WTTC (Team) in Kuala Lumpur, MAS, Final
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:2 2000 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 2:3 16-21, 19-21, 21-17, 21-14, 13-21 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, AUS, Final
beat KONG Linghui CHN 3:2 2001 China vs. Sweden
lost KONG Linghui CHN 0:3 2004 China vs. World Challenge

Friendshipper
02-23-2021, 05:47 PM
Thanks!Wow,he beat him in 2005...That's impressive...I know J. Persson also had a very respectable record versus Schlager. Wish there were more videos of Waldner on the internet.Where do you find h2h stats?Could you find the scores of Waldner versus Kong Linghui/Wang Liqin?

I have a small collection of results from the 90's.
A good database you can find on: https://www.ratingscentral.com/

jmhuang1154
03-02-2021, 11:35 AM
amazing information in detail - great response. It indicates two aspects of Waldner - his strength was his ability to turn it on when the stakes are high in grand slam events and his weakness was his inconsistency. Waldner was good from 1989 to 1998 for some ten years and qualified for the finals a few times in the early 2000's but age was an obstacle by then.

mcangus
03-03-2021, 11:56 AM
Waldner,inconsistent?He had troubles in 1993-1994 against Saive but once he adjusted his game he was again the best among Europeans.He could have won the gold in 1987 if he wasn't sick.