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unknown_poster
05-20-2015, 07:23 PM
Even if you assume the quality will improve, I believe the manufacturers will artificially keep the prices high. I have no idea why small tournaments need to use plastic balls. I think the celluloid balls are good enough for now for smaller tournaments. Even if you are a high level player I cannot see you stop coming to play in a smaller tournament. So my point is that it makes absolutely no sense for us to use them for regular play or small tournaments. If the manufacturers know we will keep buying them anyway the price will only keep going up not down I think even if quality improves drastically. So IMO we are better off waiting for new ball quality to improve & prices to come down hopefully. I am not paying $2 or $3 for one bloody ball for sure even if quality is great. I will continue with the old celluloid balls for another 10 years

mahomedy13
05-20-2015, 07:44 PM
I disagree.if the bigger tournaments use plastic,and you train with plastic,then go to a tournament using celluloid,it will mess up your training a bit.

On the other hand,celluloid is being phased out,so in time to come,it will become harder to get.

eduardo1995filipe
05-20-2015, 07:54 PM
Hi unknown_poster,

you are right by saying plastic balls have low quality, and it's much more expensive for all of us. But the person that organizes the tournament can choose the rules of the tournament(plastic ball, 40 mm ball, celuloid ball, etc). But in that thinking, players also could play with speed glued rubbers, rubbers with diferent colors( ex.: not red and also not black rubber). Also if you have formation in your club, youg kids learning to play, its not viable for them play with old balls, its useless for them. For example, you can organize a tournament with 40 mm celulloid balls. But probably almost no one will go because for now, celulloid its "past", just like in 2000 when ball changed from 38 mm to 40, also probably was someone thinking same thing as you now

Der_Echte
05-20-2015, 10:46 PM
I dont like the ITTF making the plastic ball the international standard that just about every national, regional, and local TTA have adopted, BUT... since it is the thing, AND our company contracts XSF to make a great seamless plastic ball that bounces true AND lasts a lot longer than cell balls (if you dont slam it with side of blade)... I would say the cost per ball over time is a touch or so LESS with the seamless balls that XSF factory makes for all those companies who use them to make the poly ball.

What I hate about the new poly ball is ITTF making a dictum that everyone follows like sheep and reduced spin. I am a spin monster who values spin, but I'll manage fine thanks to XSF factory.

What a shameless chance to pimp my company in USA, but whatever, my company is a blade and apparel specialist. So what if I am not even an elite or top amature, I can enjoy a good match with the new ball as long as it doesn't have a seam. (with the exception of Nitakku Premium 40+, a great ball)

unknown_poster
05-21-2015, 05:24 AM
Hi unknown_poster,

For example, you can organize a tournament with 40 mm celulloid balls. But probably almost no one will go because for now, celulloid its "past", just like in 2000 when ball changed from 38 mm to 40, also probably was someone thinking same thing as you now

LOL that is what they said when at Hanahan Table Tennis Training Center when we said

(1) No 2 color rule
(2) No Aspect Ratio Regulation
(3) No need to show racket to opponent
(4) We use only celluloid balls

for our tournaments.

Our past 2 big tournaments had about 50 players each for a new center out of the way for all.


We do not plan on using plastic balls for probably 2 years at least & we will run only unsanctioned tournaments unless USATT gives exception to moronic Aspect Ratio Regulation

vvk1
05-21-2015, 08:22 AM
The only result of your "exceptionalism" will be a disadvantage to your club's players when they play at other clubs/tournaments and end up playing using the plastic ball they are unaccustomed to.

mr. tom
05-21-2015, 08:22 AM
I tried a bunch of different plastic balls and saw the prices...This situation is sad; it looks like this will be a heavy blow to this beautiful sport.

sebas-aguirre
05-21-2015, 03:10 PM
there's no such thing as being a professional in tt.
you can be playing in a bar with your friends today and tomorrow play the china ittf open against number 200 or 300 of the world, if that's what you want.

where I live now I haven't seen a plastic ball yet. I prefer this.

when I was in uk last year it was a mess.
sometimes somebody came with a plastic ball and you had to play it, sometimes you played celluloid, sometimes you played 10 minutes with plastic and then 10 minutes with celluloid because you changed tables.
the plastic balls had very low quality.

depends on where you are and how "modern" the place and crowd are.
there's got to be tons of places where plastic balls are still not used.

aerial
05-21-2015, 05:16 PM
I am still using up my stock of Donic 3* and DHS 3* before even thinking about plastic balls.

Alright I guess that's an understatement... I have played tournies that use the plastic balls and I have an overall negative response to them which is why I am still sticking with celluloid for now.

I've played with DoubleFish40+, Joola 40+, Butterfly40+, DHS40+, YinHe40+, and XuShaoFa40+ and I'd rank them as follows:
1.) YH and XSF
2.) DHS and Butterfly
3.) DF
4.) Joola

Ultimately it is up to the consumer whether or not he wants to use his money on the new ball, but I don't plan on doing so anytime soon. I nearly got sucked into buying some Joolas to practice with for a tournament but I ended up scrapping the idea and stuck with playing and practicing using the old ball.

sebas-aguirre
05-21-2015, 05:29 PM
I am still using up my stock of Donic 3* and DHS 3* before even thinking about plastic balls.

Alright I guess that's an understatement... I have played tournies that use the plastic balls and I have an overall negative response to them which is why I am still sticking with celluloid for now.

I've played with DoubleFish40+, Joola 40+, Butterfly40+, DHS40+, YinHe40+, and XuShaoFa40+ and I'd rank them as follows:
1.) YH and XSF
2.) DHS and Butterfly
3.) DF
4.) Joola

Ultimately it is up to the consumer whether or not he wants to use his money on the new ball, but I don't plan on doing so anytime soon. I nearly got sucked into buying some Joolas to practice with for a tournament but I ended up scrapping the idea and stuck with playing and practicing using the old ball.

in my case it's not up to me.
I always play in clubs so I use the balls they give me there.

in your case it sounds like you play alone?

Killerspintt
05-21-2015, 05:30 PM
I tried the Butterfly 40+ easy ball (didn't tried the *** from butterfly) and the balls are just terrible, quality is very low. And if this plastic ball is considered as one of the best.........the situation is terrible.

JHB
05-21-2015, 05:36 PM
What is interesting is that it's nearly June and the Nittaku premium 40+ still shows no sign of appearing outside Japan, as has been the case since the beginning of this year. I can't help thinking that Nittaku are having severe production problems with them ! Meanwhile, those who have tried the seamless balls are increasingly happy to go with them. You wonder who is going to buy Nittaku's product when they eventually get things together properly......

aerial
05-21-2015, 06:22 PM
sebas, the club I go to is BYOB (bring your own ball (not booze :D))

edit: if you really hate the plastic that much maybe you can buy your own celluloid and bring to your club?

sebas-aguirre
05-21-2015, 07:01 PM
sebas, the club I go to is BYOB (bring your own ball (not booze :D))

edit: if you really hate the plastic that much maybe you can buy your own celluloid and bring to your club?

here the system is a bit different.
it's like a big class where everybody does the same thing and you may be asked to switch tables at any given time and play with somebody else.
even if the "training" is over and you are playing matches you just play one match, then go and ask the first person that crosses your path to play and so on.
it's dynamic and you are moving all the time.
so it would look odd if a person insisted on playing with his ball.

I've been to a club in US and yes there it's more like "I play with whoever I want for as long as I want using the ball I want".
so that naturally introduces the idea of using your own ball to suit your likes I guess.

anyway here in every club I've been to they still use celluloid and I couldn't be happier about that.

mahomedy13
05-21-2015, 07:09 PM
I tried a bunch of different plastic balls and saw the prices...This situation is sad; it looks like this will be a heavy blow to this beautiful sport.
Have you tried the seemless poly balls?
After playing with it,and experiencing its durability and closeness to celluloid,I don't regret playing with it

Tony's Table Tennis
05-21-2015, 07:34 PM
Good luck with playing with celluliod in 10 years time
Better stock up today as shortages is gonna start soon, as we go into the last 12 month lifespam of cellu balls

I am happy that celluliod fire hazard/explosion is approaching the end. So agree that they had to replace celluliod years ago already.
But obviously there is certain "business" that is taking some nice commission from equipment vendors, and then the profit margins on all sprectrum, thus causing pricing to be expensive.
Somehow in Asia, the plastic balls are pretty affordable (retail selling price is my cost price-after tax,freight etc)

Old School
05-21-2015, 10:01 PM
Here in Sweden only the pro league play with the plastic balls everyone else mostly still play with the old ball and will continue to do so until a good plastic ball is produced. When the plastic ball came out the there was a shit storm about it's poor quality so the Swedish table-tennis association rules that you can choose what ball you want to play with, so most clubs and tournaments play with the old ball.

aerial
05-21-2015, 10:05 PM
I am happy that celluliod fire hazard/explosion is approaching the end


Has there ever been an occurrence of celluloid balls causing fires or an explosion? I am not saying your statement is not correct--it was rightfully deemed a hazard I think, but it seems like that was more of an added 'excuse' instead of 'reason' to change to this ball just for the real reason of slowing the game down again.

UpSideDownCarl
05-21-2015, 11:12 PM
Actually, a few weeks ago there was a big fire at SPiN NYC because of an open box filled with celluloid balls. They did a lot of construction on the part of the club that had the fire.

As far as playing, I feel I adjust well enough when I go back and forth between the plastic and celluloid balls. The seamless poly balls are fine. The seamed ones just break way too easily.

Until they figure out how to make them so the bounce is more consistent and they don't break as easily, they will be problematic. Also the supplies seem fairly low. And there being only white, no yellow poly balls is a problem.

There is a problem with production, quality and availability of the poly balls. But there are also problems with the celluloid balls. I just wish they had enough and were making good enough quality poly balls so that there weren't issues with them.

When watching the pros, the rallies are better with the poly ball because of how it is slower. Also a lobber like Jun Mizutani went from #11 to #5 because of the same thing. It is much harder to put the poly ball past him.


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aerial
05-21-2015, 11:32 PM
Wow how serious was the fire?

edit: also, SPiN always came off to me as a bar/club first and a table tennis club second--I've never been to the one in the city, but when I was vacationing in Toronto i stopped by the SPiN there and was not impressed... a lot of drunkish 20something year olds that were probably better at beer pong than real pong. I'm guessing the clientele changes on what the plans are for the night? I have seen some "dirty dozen" videos and all the players are very high level. Just wanted some insight on it since you are a regular there :P (you should also talk about if SPiN is using 100% plastic now or not just so this thread does not get derailed... :D)

UpSideDownCarl
05-22-2015, 01:19 AM
Aerial, the fire was not too big. They caught it before it got too big. But it would not have been anything without a cube filled with celluloid balls and a drunken fool dropping a match from a joint he was lighting.

And you are 100% right that SPiN is a nightclub that uses table tennis as its entertainment forum. Most of the players are recreational. Most of the players are corporate douche bags. But that is why they make money and have survived. They have waitresses and bartenders. It is one of the only places where I have seen that many truly hot women and table tennis.

There are a bunch of guys who can really play that are part of Spin. Spin has also created a forum where the coaches can really make a decent living.

It's a bit cheesy. But a lot of where they pay their bills are corporate parties where the company is paying $1,000.00 per hour per table and then they are paying for food and alcohol for 30-40 drunk lawyers or stock brokers.

Ethically there are some problems with table tennis selling itself to the highest bidder like this. But other clubs in NYC have folded because they can't pay the bills. One really big corporate party can pay their bills for a month. A good Friday night's take at the bar can also pay their bills for a month. So in the daytime there are more table tennis players and after 6:00pm it is more suits and skirts.

The quality of the balls Spin uses are worse than most 1 stars. They are made by Stiga and say they are 2 stars. But they are not. They are black light balls. So if the lights are turned down and the black lights are on they glow.

I know, any table tennis player would think, "TURN THE LIGHTS DOWN???! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM!!!!" But that is what they do after 9pm. And that is why they have balls that glow.

The balls are celluloid. But they are not designed for real players. And they are all yellow balls. So they couldn't be poly balls. Also they don't make blacklight poly balls. Not sure if they ever will.

But Spin exists in its own universe. It is not a table tennis club. It is what it is: a business that is trying to make as much money as possible.

But I play at other clubs too. The clubs in Manhattan seem to be ignoring the poly ball thing at the moment. Too expensive with how easily they break.

So in the clubs I go to, if someone is using a poly ball, it is because they brought it to the club.


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Der_Echte
05-22-2015, 01:53 AM
I am still using up my stock of Donic 3* and DHS 3* before even thinking about plastic balls.

Alright I guess that's an understatement... I have played tournies that use the plastic balls and I have an overall negative response to them which is why I am still sticking with celluloid for now.

I've played with DoubleFish40+, Joola 40+, Butterfly40+, DHS40+, YinHe40+, and XuShaoFa40+ and I'd rank them as follows:
1.) YH and XSF
2.) DHS and Butterfly
3.) DF
4.) Joola

Ultimately it is up to the consumer whether or not he wants to use his money on the new ball, but I don't plan on doing so anytime soon. I nearly got sucked into buying some Joolas to practice with for a tournament but I ended up scrapping the idea and stuck with playing and practicing using the old ball.

Aeriel, Ask Dustin what salty words I used to express my utter displeasure at the POOR Bounce of the Joola 40+... I wasn't sore losing to him, he was the better player, I was incensed that I had to play a competitive match with a ball that bounces worse than a ball with a Mexican Jumping bean embedded in that thing.

Der_Echte
05-22-2015, 01:59 AM
I can say that I had fewer issues with the lack of lighting at SPiN than MANY venues in USA... I could still pick up the ball at impact better somehow.

Der_Echte
05-22-2015, 02:01 AM
I am gunna do the huge Korean-Only Tourney in NJ this Monday and as long as they only HEAR me when I register, I will be good to go.

Carl, You gunna cross the river Sunday night? I will be in NJ real close to NYC Sun night somewhere and I will seek to practice instead of doing the formal dinner thing like last time.

UpSideDownCarl
05-22-2015, 04:53 AM
I am gunna do the huge Korean-Only Tourney in NJ this Monday and as long as they only HEAR me when I register, I will be good to go.

Carl, You gunna cross the river Sunday night? I will be in NJ real close to NYC Sun night somewhere and I will seek to practice instead of doing the formal dinner thing like last time.

Well, it sounds like we may do some training on Sunday. I am ready. Hahaha.


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mr. tom
05-22-2015, 08:28 AM
Have you tried the seemless poly balls?
After playing with it,and experiencing its durability and closeness to celluloid,I don't regret playing with it

I tried 3 star poly balls with seam (DHS, Palio, Tibhar) and one seamless poly training ball (Xushaofa club 40+). None of them was even close to decent celluloid training balls (Cornilleau). They easily break, aren't round, the weight isn't evenly distributed...they bounce in all kind of unexpected heights and directions. You can't put as much spin on the ball. I still have to try 3 star seamless poly balls, but it would surprise me if they were any good. Even if they are good...the price is too high and I bet they don't last long like any other plastic ball I tried.

Tony's Table Tennis
05-22-2015, 09:31 AM
Remember guys, as earlier batches are phasing out, the newer batch of polys are better quality.
Still no indication of price coming down though :( - but as I said earlier, Asian stores are able to sell it pretty cheap - ie in Taiwan, Yinhe balls on special - box of 6 x 5 boxes - pay NTD 800 with free domestic courier. That is like USD 27 for 30 balls

eduardo1995filipe
05-22-2015, 10:37 AM
Remember guys, as earlier batches are phasing out, the newer batch of polys are better quality.
Still no indication of price coming down though :( - but as I said earlier, Asian stores are able to sell it pretty cheap - ie in Taiwan, Yinhe balls on special - box of 6 x 5 boxes - pay NTD 800 with free domestic courier. That is like USD 27 for 30 balls


Can you give me the link of some of that Asian sites? :p

brabhamista
05-22-2015, 11:36 AM
Can you give me the link of some of that Asian sites? :p
There are some links in this thread about poly balls. They are all for seamless balls. You'll find them in the second post.
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10404-Which-poly-ball-should-you-choose (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10404-Which-poly-ball-should-you-choose&highlight=poly+balls)

brabhamista
05-22-2015, 11:44 AM
I tried 3 star poly balls with seam (DHS, Palio, Tibhar) and one seamless poly training ball (Xushaofa club 40+). None of them was even close to decent celluloid training balls (Cornilleau). They easily break, aren't round, the weight isn't evenly distributed...they bounce in all kind of unexpected heights and directions. You can't put as much spin on the ball. I still have to try 3 star seamless poly balls, but it would surprise me if they were any good. Even if they are good...the price is too high and I bet they don't last long like any other plastic ball I tried.
You will get less spin with all poly balls, that's a fact and it won't change. But the difference isn't that great, to be honest.
Forget everything you think you know about the seamless ball. You tried a a training ball. You know that means substandard quality no matter the ball. Try the 3-star XSF or one of the other seamless ones (they are all the same, from the same manufacturer). It's a good ball and easier to adapt to than the other poly balls.
There is a decent comparison of poly balls in this thread: http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10404-Which-poly-ball-should-you-choose

brabhamista
05-22-2015, 11:48 AM
I tried the Butterfly 40+ easy ball (didn't tried the *** from butterfly) and the balls are just terrible, quality is very low. And if this plastic ball is considered as one of the best.........the situation is terrible.
It's important to remember that the Butterfly Easy ball is just a training and club ball, not 3-star quality.
I haven't tried it, but I would expect it to play at best OK-ish, like all training balls, and nowhere near a 3-star.
I think it's best to re-evaluate and judge it when the 3-star is launched.

UpSideDownCarl
05-22-2015, 01:00 PM
I tried 3 star poly balls with seam (DHS, Palio, Tibhar) and one seamless poly training ball (Xushaofa club 40+). None of them was even close to decent celluloid training balls (Cornilleau). They easily break, aren't round, the weight isn't evenly distributed...they bounce in all kind of unexpected heights and directions. You can't put as much spin on the ball.

All of this is pretty accurate for the first rounds of balls. The early training balls were really bad because they were failed attempts at making poly balls. The First round of seamless poly balls are also terrible. They were also very early versions of the seamless ball. In my opinion, none of those balls should have been sold because they were so bad.


I still have to try 3 star seamless poly balls, but it would surprise me if they were any good. Even if they are good...the price is too high and I bet they don't last long like any other plastic ball I tried.

The seamless 3 star balls from any brand, they are all good, and they last better than the celluloid ball. If you got a defective one, that is a problem with testing. I saw one of those so far. But the seamless poly balls are good. If the Nittaku Premium Poly ball was available, it plays well also. Not sure why they are so hard to find though.

Tony's Table Tennis
05-22-2015, 02:05 PM
There are some links in this thread about poly balls. They are all for seamless balls. You'll find them in the second post.
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10404-Which-poly-ball-should-you-choose (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10404-Which-poly-ball-should-you-choose&highlight=poly+balls)

lol, not part of these

Eduardo, it is a retail shop, I don't think they have online shopping. Sorry... you will need to visit in person

Tony's Table Tennis
05-22-2015, 02:08 PM
Can you give me the link of some of that Asian sites? :p

my bad, found it
http://dange.topshop.com.tw/Product_Detail.aspx?TopClassID=c47d34a7-656e-4a7a-9c16-000000000003&BigClassID=e9e526db-200d-45ec-99f2-1b81ec68e08b&ClassID=26267034-a41b-41f5-90ee-5e40cf70166e&ID=46eaa362-39a7-4087-9cd7-2487ad5ec79e

Good luck with Chinese and domestic shipping only

Der_Echte
05-22-2015, 03:08 PM
Wow how serious was the fire?

(you should also talk about if SPiN is using 100% plastic now or not just so this thread does not get derailed... :D)

Derail a thread... hehe please...

haha, that is what we do here at TTD... and do very well. We still talk enough about the topic to make it worth it. We are just spicier that most other places.

Amayzde
05-22-2015, 04:25 PM
We havent even used them yet ;) we would start using them next season be they delayed it half a year. Wouldnt be surprised if they will delay it again.

Amayzde
05-22-2015, 04:29 PM
I tried the Butterfly 40+ easy ball (didn't tried the *** from butterfly) and the balls are just terrible, quality is very low. And if this plastic ball is considered as one of the best.........the situation is terrible.

Lucky for you Butterfly Poly ball are one of the WORST ball ever ;D

UpSideDownCarl
05-22-2015, 07:34 PM
Lucky for you Butterfly Poly ball are one of the WORST ball ever ;D

Yep, Butterfly's poly balls = not good.

The only good poly balls are the seamless ones. And the Nittaku Premiums (Not Nittaku Sha, those are also not good).

brabhamista
05-22-2015, 10:21 PM
lol, not part of these
Eduardo, it is a retail shop, I don't think they have online shopping. Sorry... you will need to visit in person
Why the LOLing? :)
These are in Asia and do online shipping. That's what he asked for, not retail shops :)

eacheng.net (http://eacheng.net) : China : Xushaofa, Palio, Yinhe
presports.com (http://presports.com) : Malaysia : Palio
TTNPP (http://ttnpp.com/store/133-seamless) : Xushaofa, Palio, Yinhe

eduardo1995filipe
05-22-2015, 10:37 PM
There are some links in this thread about poly balls. They are all for seamless balls. You'll find them in the second post.
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10404-Which-poly-ball-should-you-choose (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10404-Which-poly-ball-should-you-choose&highlight=poly+balls)

Thanks Brabhamista :D

Tony's Table Tennis
05-22-2015, 11:44 PM
Why the LOLing? :)
These are in Asia and do online shipping. That's what he asked for, not retail shops :)

eacheng.net (http://eacheng.net) : China : Xushaofa, Palio, Yinhe
presports.com (http://presports.com) : Malaysia : Palio
TTNPP (http://ttnpp.com/store/133-seamless) : Xushaofa, Palio, Yinhe

Well, show me which one is selling 5 boxes of Yinhe 6 packs for NTD 800 (less than 1 USD per ball)

Any ways, most of the cheapest Asian stores aren't online, I'm basically just indicating how cheap the product actually can be

Rajah*
05-24-2015, 01:49 PM
You have to visit asian stores in person to buy a descent polyball price with a discount if you buy in bulk, i mean hundreds of pcs. We have taiwan thailand china japan hongkong phillipines. Or if you have a direct contact person whom you could trust ask them to buy for you.

Polyball era hmm everybody who wants to stay in this sport must adjust with the changes.

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brabhamista
05-24-2015, 02:14 PM
Well, show me which one is selling 5 boxes of Yinhe 6 packs for NTD 800 (less than 1 USD per ball)
None, but since he asked for help on where to buy, I showed him something achievable albeit not as cheap instead of "good luck with the language and getting them to ship abroad". I'm not sure which is more helpful.

mahomedy13
05-24-2015, 07:31 PM
I tried 3 star poly balls with seam (DHS, Palio, Tibhar) and one seamless poly training ball (Xushaofa club 40+). None of them was even close to decent celluloid training balls (Cornilleau). They easily break, aren't round, the weight isn't evenly distributed...they bounce in all kind of unexpected heights and directions. You can't put as much spin on the ball. I still have to try 3 star seamless poly balls, but it would surprise me if they were any good. Even if they are good...the price is too high and I bet they don't last long like any other plastic ball I tried.

After you try the seamless 3 stars,I'm sure your opinion would change quite drastically.even though the spin factor is worse(by only a small bit).

And about the longetivity-you will be surprised-they are actually more durable than celluloid

unknown_poster
06-29-2015, 06:22 PM
VVK1 wrote
SThe only result of your "exceptionalism" will be a disadvantage to your club's players when they play at other clubs/tournaments and end up playing using the plastic ball they are unaccustomed to. Almost no one in our center (HTTTC) wants to pay $49 to join the USATT to play in sanctioned tournaments. I do not blame them at all because what does a player get for $49 ? Even when they had a print magazine , it was not much because you still have to pay individual tournament fees and rating fees. They laugh when they hear that. So it is a win-win situation for me personally because I can continue demanding USATT give me exception to Scholer-Hodges Durban 1998 Aspect Ratio Rule if they want me to run a sanctioned tournament. As long as USATT wants to continue to impose this childish moronic regulation the blame is on them. If they ever give exception that is a win situation for me and tabletennis. BTW 2 of our players won the State Senior Olympic mens & mixed doubles, one came second in singles and they are not complaining :) USATT needs to revisit their membership and sanctioning models. Maybe they can have different levels of membership such as gold, silver, bronze . Waiving all sanctioning fees by getting it from USOC or individual sponsor in the order of Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or even smaller just multi-millonares and not billionaires or corporate write offs should be enough

UpSideDownCarl
06-29-2015, 07:24 PM
Hey, I think it is fine to keep using the celluloid balls. I think the rules still say they are valid. Personally, I have no problem whatsoever going from poly balls to celluloid and back. And the bottom line is, if it is your club you can do what you want even if the rules didn't state that the old celluloid ball was still good.

Until they get their shite together and can make poly balls in yellow, have them readily available and not total garbage, using celluloid makes sense. The only good poly balls worth using are the seamless. But they are definitely overpriced.


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Der_Echte
06-29-2015, 11:23 PM
SOME are REALLY over priced... but a 6 pack of quality SEAMLESS Poly balls that costs $7 - $14 USD is not overpriced at all.

WHY?

Just one ball could last 80+ hrs before breaking. When I played that many hrs in Korea, I would have already gone through 1-1.5 packs of *** quality cell balls. (I got them at a GREAT price of $9-$10 a 6 pack)

So if we extend this, then we can say we get WELL over 2-3 times the life of the quality cell balls, so at the end of the day, the money spent on the quality seamless Poly Balls is LESS.

I agree with Carl's analysis that he is content switching back and forth between cell and Poly Ball, so long as the poly ball he waz using was a seamless (or Nittaku 40+ Premium). I feel the same way. Sure the Poly ball plays with less spin, but the bounce is true and you adjust soon enough, even after a match with cell ball.

Playing a match with a SEAMED poly ball, regardless of what you just played is a recipe to pull Ur hair out and howl at the moon in sheer rage after each inconsistent bounce. You play a match with a seamed poly ball and soon a Drill Instructor yelling at troops on the deck in the middle of a Cat 4 Hurricane will be a calm voice of peace.

UpSideDownCarl
06-30-2015, 01:12 AM
Hahaha. Leave it to Der_Echte to put it that way. Gotta love it.

And if I am buying *** balls by the 3 or 6 pack I would agree with everything. But celluloid training balls at $20.00-$40.00 a gross compared to poly training balls at any price is a world of difference.

I am not sure if the masked and mysterious unknown_poster is talking about buying *** or training balls. But I bet another part of his argument is that you probably can get large quantities of celluloid *** for much cheaper now. And I also think he is wondering if that will change and the price will go up so they are more expensive.

If you can get 10 gross of good celluloid *** at a good reduced price and that is what you want to use, I would go for it.

And what every you do, don't let the retro-aerobicNazis or the pathetic snoozers get you down. Luke Skywalker used LP and Darth Vader was a two winged looper but it doesn't matter because they were both lame anyway. Here's to real players with self confidence.


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Der_Echte
06-30-2015, 01:36 AM
I am still convinced *** seamless Poly balls are a better value than *** Celluloid balls.

However, if you are running a tourney, it might be a different proposition. MANY players have sticky hands and keep the ball after they get done with their match and sometimes balls roll under bleachers and cannot be immediately retrieved. So given that, running a tourney with seamless poly balls might cost more than quality *** Cell balls.

On the topic of practice balls... the TWO Star training seamless balls on the market are currently like MINUS TWO star balls. You might get a more true bounce if you petrify an eggshell (after artfully draining the egg white/yoke). it might be possible in the long run to just invest in a lot of quality seamless balls, more money up front, but they last longer... in match play. During multiball training, all kind of wierd stuff happens and invariably, you step on a few each session when you are using 200 balls at a time and your coach is a multi-ball TURBO machine gun feeding robot fiend who would put the nazie regime to utter shame.

Der_Echte
06-30-2015, 01:39 AM
Unknown poster is not so unknown and mysterious if you have been around the forums over the last decade+ but for now we shall make him happy by spamming his club's email to the hilt with offers for inferior Poly balls and non-1998 Durban LP rubbers.

UpSideDownCarl
06-30-2015, 03:26 AM
Unknown poster is not so unknown and mysterious if you have been around the forums over the last decade+ but for now we shall make him happy by spamming his club's email to the hilt with offers for inferior Poly balls and non-1998 Durban LP rubbers.

Hahahaha. Omg, I just spewed OJ out my nose I laughed so hard.


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Der_Echte
06-30-2015, 07:14 AM
Better out Ur nose than mine. Doing that doesn't tickle at all. :(

Kaizoku
06-30-2015, 10:08 AM
I don't play in a club. A bought 200 of the 3 star dhs celluolid balls around the time/a bit before plastic balls was decided to be used. But I have also bought 3 Yasaka plastic 3 star balls not many weeks ago, I've played with it and it does Honestly not feel too bad, a bit different but, I kinda like it.
How does the Yasaka one compare to others?