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Bryce
06-20-2011, 03:29 PM
Hey guys. Does the type of glue affect the rubber? I recently used Haifu water-based glue and it wasn't very adhesive even though i had spread it evenly across the surface. I also heard that certain rubbers like h3 neo benefit from water-based glue. Does it really matter?

Rhydian
06-20-2011, 07:53 PM
That's a good and interesting question :)
I'm waiting for the answers too :D

Stian
06-20-2011, 09:33 PM
it do matter what kind of glue you use, example, if u use Victoria speed glue on your H3 Neo, the sponge will be softer, depends on how many plies of glue you are gluing with.
and if you use the Haifu water based glue, it gives i bit of speed effect the first hours after you have glued, but most people dont even notice it. so i suggest u start using a glue that is called Victoria, because it gives a huge effect on the rubber, even with the rubber that have the hardest sponge you will be able to get a much more faster rubber.

Bryce
06-21-2011, 01:56 PM
Where do i get Victoria? Butterfly free chack is pretty costly.. $22 for a small bottle..

Justchill
06-21-2011, 02:31 PM
I bought Elmers rubber cement, but haven't tried it yet :)

olvarox
06-21-2011, 08:25 PM
Andro Free Glue here. Seems to attach the rubber to the blade, nothing more, nothing less. Haven't tried any other water-based glue, so I wouldn't know there's a difference.
The boosting though, does make a difference...
I do consider boosting next generation (read: expensive) rubbers a waste of money.
I think if you want to have a great price-quality equation, you choose either cheap rubbers, which you boost (e.g. BTY Sriver Fx), or you buy expensive rubbers and leave them alone :p

Stian
06-21-2011, 09:34 PM
You can buy Victoria glue here: http://www.pingis.se/victoria-glue-p-586.html?osCsid=9132705f632c06fa8a4976c47817be33&language=en&currency=USD
its very cheap

Rhydian
06-21-2011, 09:44 PM
Acording to you olvarox, I think, buying cheap rubbers and boosting them, will become cheaper than constantly buying good rubbers :D
Personally, I don't have any glue at home xD

Stian
06-21-2011, 10:22 PM
Then buy a bottle of Victoria then. :)
Victoria is a very good glue with an awesome effect on the rubber if you glue it right.
Me myself are using Victoria and are very satisfyed with the glue. And suggest it to other ppl who want more speed in your rubber.
:P

WiWa
06-22-2011, 10:00 AM
I tried Tibhar glue, but it wasn't very impressive. I went back to old speed glues to apply new rubbers :P But I'm almost out of that glue so I need a decent legal glue. I remember you needed to apply 2 layers of old glue when u got new rubbers in the old times to make it stick. Is this still the case with the new speed glue?

YosuaYosan
06-22-2011, 02:30 PM
I only have rubber cement right now..
Rubber cement is the type of rubber that evaporate VOCs quickly when oxidized making it quickly dry and harmful for your health. Yep, it contains VOCs which makes it illegal for competition play..
However the speed glue effect is good but it didnt last much depending on the brand of the glue, the pasting and removing is easy to..

Bryce
06-22-2011, 04:02 PM
I don't know about buying online.. But the local shops don't sell it. Maybe i will just stick with Haifu glue. Btw i've heard that you need to let the rubbers/blades dry about 15mins upon applying. But the Haifu glue dryed up pretty quick.. making it not adhesive anymore. Does it only work with non-water based glues?

Stian
06-22-2011, 04:36 PM
You can also use Haifu blue whale (speed glue) ive never tried it my self, but i want to buy a bottle of it and see how it turns out.
And buying online has never gone wrong with me. im ordering from China, Belgium, Sweden and Norway, and usually i get my packages
in one or two weeks after i did order the stuff i wanted

scylla24
10-13-2011, 08:02 PM
Hey guys, so I just got some Neo Hurricane 3 and tenergy 64 rubber, I purposely copied the setup of that ZJK uses and what Ma Long used to use haha, that way I can't complain about whether my rubber is good or not.

But I need some advice on what glue to use. I probably would need to get it online or something, so if you guys have any advice on what are some good glues please let me know.

dici
10-14-2011, 02:56 AM
I have tried baby oil+paraffin oil on T25 before. But in the end I just destroyed it. But for Neo H3, you not really need any booters for it. Because it is very easy to be handle. Else just apply paraffin oil 3-4 times on it then it will good.

UpSideDownCarl
10-15-2011, 11:15 AM
I am with Yosua, I use a kind of rubber cement that I get from an art supply store. The brand I use is Best Test rubber cement. It cost 1/10th the price of what table tennis companies charge for glues that are not as good. A gallon of Best Test rubber cement costs about the same amount as one of those little cans. :) And it works really well. It is the exact same chemical components as the old glues before they started trying to use water based glues. Any art supply store should have some form of rubber cement. And it does not really matter what kind. The chemical ingredients are always the same.

YosuaYosan
10-16-2011, 05:03 PM
I am with Yosua, I use a kind of rubber cement that I get from an art supply store. The brand I use is Best Test rubber cement. It cost 1/10th the price of what table tennis companies charge for glues that are not as good. A gallon of Best Test rubber cement costs about the same amount as one of those little cans. :) And it works really well. It is the exact same chemical components as the old glues before they started trying to use water based glues. Any art supply store should have some form of rubber cement. And it does not really matter what kind. The chemical ingredients are always the same.

Wooohooo :D
Thanks sir Carl for the support !

However don't use it excessively, could have bad long-term effect.
Or maybe you could push it out off your body with some meditation ? ;)

Mr. RicharD
10-18-2011, 04:46 AM
If you guys want a water based glue that is cheap and gives the same as any other water based glue out there try Tear Mender (google it) Usually it's about 10 bucks a bottle for a 16 oz bottle which is like $100.00 if you buy other brand name glues for the same quantity. I've been using the same bottle for 2 years now but I've only reglued my own paddle a few times. I'd say each bottle lasts for a couple dozen reglues of both sides of rubber. I'm not exactly sure about that though.

Rubber Cement is probably the best glue you can get. It becomes legal after you have let it sit out and/or played with it for about a week or two. If you let it sit out for a month instead of storing in a case it will definitely be competition ready. Many people use Rubber Cement because it's the most consistent feel. The VOC's completely evaporate making the test result of your paddle legal.

If you want to make speed glue add some different types of solvent into a rubber cement container. I usually do half and half for a light speed glue effect (similar to rubber cement, but still has a glue effect when applying) But if you want the best results for speed glue I suggest a minimum of 3:1 Solvent to rubber cement. meaning 25% rubber cement and 3 other solvents. Usually I choose Toluene, Naptha, and any other I can find. If you want to go to something like WLQ used try an 8:1 ratio solvent to rubber cement.

HLDang
06-04-2013, 11:15 PM
Other than Tear Mender, would other water-base glue you find in retail stores work? I've used Tear Mender and it is definitely awesome for such a cheap glue.

hipnotic
06-05-2013, 09:12 AM
I have the same question. Here in Portugal i can't seem to find an alternative to either rubber cement or tear mender. Is there any similar product to tear mender that is sold here?

Der_Echte
06-05-2013, 04:43 PM
I bought Elmers rubber cement, but haven't tried it yet :)

I use Elmers Rubber Cement on most every rubber, except the ones that get ruined by it like Tenergy, but no more Tenergy, too expensive.

I used Elmers RC on H3 on one of my blades I currently use and it works just fine.

HLDang
06-06-2013, 04:21 AM
I use Elmers Rubber Cement on most every rubber, except the ones that get ruined by it like Tenergy, but no more Tenergy, too expensive.

I used Elmers RC on H3 on one of my blades I currently use and it works just fine.


yeah... I have tried elmers rubber cement for awhile until I started using tenergy on my backhand. I only want to use water-base now and glues like Free Chack and Tear Mender are great! I just want to know if there are any other alternatives that you can purchase from a general retail store like Tear Mender.

Justchill
10-04-2013, 10:34 AM
I also use Elmers. Every couple of months I reglue my rubbers.
Where do you guys buy Tear Mender online? Is it good for TT rubbers?

Radu_lykan
09-05-2018, 05:11 AM
how about the water based glue used for vinyl tiles? can that be used? it is a contact glue and dries clear as well. same procedure, apply glue on both surfaces, let dry, then stick.

Floris
09-05-2018, 09:21 AM
This week I was gluing at the club when one of our best players told me that the glue I used was making the rubber soft.
I was using Revelution 3 medium viscosity.
For that reason he didn't use it anymore.

GinjaNinja
09-05-2018, 09:46 AM
I believe copydex is the uk equivalent of tear mender. Because I'm always testing new blades I go through a lot of glue, copydex works well and is very similar to a joola glue I used to use but much cheaper. It's a bit thick and at some point I may dilute it with some water to see how well that works. I have tried a few fabric glues which appear to be like tear mender but I would avoid those as they left one blade and rubber in a bit of a mess. I know it's been said before but some of the TT specific glues are unecessarily expensive.

hipnotic
09-05-2018, 11:23 AM
I also use copydex and dilute it with water. Easier to apply and doesn't affect the bond. I also tried a "Huieson" glue i found on ebay, very cheap a pretty good.

GinjaNinja
09-05-2018, 01:46 PM
I also use copydex and dilute it with water. Easier to apply and doesn't affect the bond. I also tried a "Huieson" glue i found on ebay, very cheap a pretty good.

How much water do you add? What's the ratio or do you just mix until it feels about right?

hipnotic
09-05-2018, 01:57 PM
How much water do you add? What's the ratio or do you just mix until it feels about right?

I just add until the viscosity seems right, about 15-20% i guess.

Medax
09-05-2018, 03:42 PM
I use Elmers Rubber Cement on most every rubber, except the ones that get ruined by it like Tenergy, but no more Tenergy, too expensive.

I used Elmers RC on H3 on one of my blades I currently use and it works just fine.

I use this one by Tibhar....

http://www.spinball.at/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=320 or the Joola Zoom

Is it like the Elmers ? If so , which one ? :)