Tenergy 25 compared to Tenergy 05?

Phil · Jul 23, 2015

Hi,

I'm possibly looking to try Tenergy 25 on both sides. I've used 05 quite a bit so does anybody have any opinions on how it plays compared to that in terms of speed, spin, and control?

NextLevel · Jul 23, 2015

Don't do it....

T25 is a specialist rubber for close to the table topspinners and it plays differently once you back off the table. If you really want to do it, try out someone else's blade before buying it. Use it both close to and away from the table You will see that it is just a different animal - see whether you want to adjust to it before buying it because it isn't cheap either.

It's great in some ways for a close to a table player because you can play full strokes at the table with confidence and counterhit just about any incoming topspin without a moment's thought. Also good spin in that area for many shots, though the offensive strokes require much more open blade angles than T05 (the opposite is true for many of the passive ones). But once you take a step or two back, you have to start adjusting your instincts and it can be done, but whether you want to do so or should do so is the issue.

Tinykin · Jul 23, 2015

Try T64 on the BH. It's good at the table and brilliant away from the table.

Baal · Jul 24, 2015

I have never quite figured out who T25 is intended for. It has never really found much of a niche.

Pnachtwey · Jul 24, 2015

NextLevel said:
Don't do it....

T25 is a specialist rubber for close to the table topspinners and it plays differently once you back off the table.

More NextLevel nonsense. How does a rubber know if it is close to the table or away?
The properties of the rubber don't change as a function of how close one is to the table.

However, I agree with the "don't do it part.

The spin to speed ratio or better tangential COR to normal COR, what ignorant TT players call throw, is low. There are plenty of low spin to speed ratio rubbers out there that cost a lot less that T25.

I still have T25 mounted on one of my Firewall Plus blades but it doesn't really play much better than TG3 Neo. What the T25 does do well is block.

Der_Echte · Jul 24, 2015

Baal said:
I have never quite figured out who T25 is intended for. It has never really found much of a niche.

I have thought about it and have figured it all out.

I agree T25 is not useful for what either of us do and we like it just about as much as advanced stage gangrene.

The purpose of T25 is to get sheep like EJs to buy it.

The art of business is to cause people to want something they do not need. BTY has some businessmen working for them.

Der_Echte · Jul 24, 2015

I agree with TinyK, you would be a LOT happier with T64 than T25.

Tinykin · Jul 24, 2015

For me whilst using T25, I was brilliant (in my mind) at flipping backspin serves - basically anything short over the table. Today, I have more trouble attacking surprise short low floaters with my T05 shod FH. When I had the T25, I had far less problems. Active blocking was much easier.
Like the OP, I was really impressed with my performance using this rubber, so I bought T25 for both sides of my blade. (I was better off financially then). But I was so shyte when about a foot or greater away from the table with this setup. To me, it was just not worth it for my style.
T25 greatly benefits those players who do not move away from the table and use a limited amount of stokes. That is, the type of blocker who moves into the incoming ball for an 'off-the-bounce' block no matter what the incoming speed. It is also aids the stoke of receiving the serve off the bounce as this rubber is not very reactive to spin in those circumstances. Think of an SP rubber like 802.
I know this as I gave the rubber to my teammate (Bryan Taylor) who at 71yo surprises many a better player with his blocks from their power loops. Also his short stabby pushes against backspin keeps them a little quieter.

Der_Echte · Jul 24, 2015

The jury is out on Pnchy's ability to move in and out and use both close to table topspin and mid distance looping. We will be better convinced with a fresh vid.

We have seen Next Level's vids each week (at OOAK and sometimes here) and we have seen him play all the shots needed for both those ranges at a 2000+ level, although he is clearly a much better player close to table.

If i never had a hit with T25, I would be inclined to believe what NL said, but I have had a session with T25 and instantly disliked it for all the reasons everyone mentioned.

Sure, the rubber don't know distance or player from adam, but the strokes needed for a flexible topspin offensive attacking game are as different as day and night and some rubber/blade combos facilitate the needed shots better or worse.

I wouldn't use T25 even if BTY game me a lifetime supply of the stuff. T05 and T64 are totally different animals I would use in a heartbeat if they cost the same as I can get Aurus.

Suga D · Jul 24, 2015

I believe this here may help.

Tom TTD · Jul 24, 2015

I would recommend Tenergy 05 on the forehand , creates a good arc on the ball and has good spin

NextLevel · Jul 24, 2015

Der_Echte said:
I wouldn't use T25 even if BTY game me a lifetime supply of the stuff. T05 and T64 are totally different animals I would use in a heartbeat if they cost the same as I can get Aurus.

My sentiments precisely.

mahomedy13 · Jul 24, 2015

Pnatchwey back with his big words...when he learns how to 'loop' in its correct context,then his advice will be appreciated...just saying

sebas-aguirre · Jul 24, 2015

I think most players would do better with 25 than with 05.
-easier to serve short and spiny
-easier to push
-easier to block
-easier to chop

05 is better only for looping and counterlooping.
it has more power, more spin, and the ball falls more suddenly.

oh one problem of 25 is it gets worn out much faster than 05.
I have one 05 and 25 I used together the same amount of time and the 25 looks destroyed while the 05 barely has traces of usage.

BeGo · Jul 24, 2015

Agree with Sebas.

On paper, Tenergy 25 similar to Bluefire JP series.

Blocker Looper
Butterfly Tenergy 25

Driver
Butterfly Tenergy 64 FX

Driver Looper
Butterfly Tenergy 80
Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX
Butterfly Tenergy 64

Looper
Butterfly Tenergy 05

Non Chopper
Butterfly Tenergy 25 FX

NextLevel · Jul 24, 2015

sebas-aguirre said:
I think most players would do better with 25 than with 05.
-easier to serve short and spiny
-easier to push
-easier to block
-easier to chop

05 is better only for looping and counterlooping.
it has more power, more spin, and the ball falls more suddenly.

oh one problem of 25 is it gets worn out much faster than 05.
I have one 05 and 25 I used together the same amount of time and the 25 looks destroyed while the 05 barely has traces of usage.

Seriously? So T25 is so much better than T05 at serving, pushing, blocking and chopping (I never chop, BTW) that it is better for most players than T05, which is probably the best looping rubber in the world and excellent for serving, pushing and topspin blocking?

So Sebas, how many good players do you know that use T25, including yourself? And why don't you use it?

NextLevel · Jul 24, 2015

sebas-aguirre said:
I think the better you become the more you appreciate 05.
top players will indeed be way much more comfortable with 05 than with 25.
but most players are not top players.

personally I count on the fact that I will be using the same rubbers for a long time.
so I go for something very fast and spiny and then with time let it become more controllable.
my 05's are more than a year old and no plans of changing them for now.

So you are saying that only top players can loop or can appreciate the importance of looping and counterlooping? So you are a top player and the other players who are not top players and hate using T25 are idiots?

Just trying to make sense of why you think T25 is a better rubber for most players when most players who are trying to get good loop - they don't push, block or chop! And even for pushing, blocking and chopping, it is not like T25 will win the point while T05 will lose the point.

Anyways, sorry - it is your opinion. Some opinions are just funny.

NextLevel · Jul 24, 2015

sebas-aguirre said:
well it's the same dilemma you will face with many rubbers.
generally what's best for attacking has less control.
what has best control has limited attacking power.

it's your choice and you are the only one who knows which is the best rubber for you.

This isn't true unless you explain what you mean by control. And again, how many basement players (which is the style you are describing) will buy Tenergy? And how many serious attackers will pick a rubber for how well it chops and blocks rather than how well it loops and then how well it does other things?

Maybe you have crappy players in Argentina. Where I play in the US, no one uses Tenergy 25 because it is not a good rubber for people who want to be able to play reasonably well at all distances from the table without adapting their technique.

Tinykin · Jul 24, 2015

Oops. I just remembered that my experience was with T25FX. Unusually, it plays significantly different from the harder T25.

UpSideDownCarl · Jul 25, 2015

Der_Echte said:
I wouldn't use T25 even if BTY game me a lifetime supply of the stuff.

I would take the lifetime supply and figure out something to do with it even if I didn't play with it. But it is true, I wouldn't want to use them either. Hahaha.

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