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TableTennisPlaya
10-22-2015, 07:50 PM
I wanted to know which blades & rubbers professional table tennis players use.
I've been thinking in particular about which blades & rubbers people like xu xin, ma long & fan zhengdong use.

If you guys could tell me then it would be very much appreciated.
Thanks.

keenansouthall
10-22-2015, 07:57 PM
Ma Long- Hurricane Long 5, forehand Hurricane 3 national blue sponge, and on backhand I think Hurricane 3-50
Xu Xin- Stiga intensity NCT, forehand Skyline 2 blue sponge, backhand is a tenergy
Fan Zhendong- Viscaria with Infitity handle, Hurricane 3 blue sponge forehand, Tenergy 05 for backhand


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Ilia Minkin
10-22-2015, 08:16 PM
Please save this human being and don't tell him about the provincial/national...

TableTennisPlaya
10-22-2015, 08:22 PM
What are you talking about? Please explain. Lol :D

TableTennisPlaya
10-22-2015, 08:24 PM
Ma Long- Hurricane Long 5, forehand Hurricane 3 national blue sponge, and on backhand I think Hurricane 3-50
Xu Xin- Stiga intensity NCT, forehand Skyline 2 blue sponge, backhand is a tenergy
Fan Zhendong- Viscaria with Infitity handle, Hurricane 3 blue sponge forehand, Tenergy 05 for backhand


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Hmmmm.... why do so many professionals use Hurricane 3 blue sponge on forehand? What is so good about this rubber?

UpSideDownCarl
10-22-2015, 08:27 PM
The real truth is that all the guys on the CNT have these big contracts and say they are using all these special blades and rubbers. But they are all issued the same racket and the untold truth is, they are using the infamous Der_Echte Special with a slight modification. It is:

The Yinhe Galaxy 896 Blade
FH: Yinhe Big Dipper Black
BH: Dawei 2008XP Super Power

All the blades have the handle of their sponsor company. All the FH rubbers say something like DHS H3 and the BH rubber says something like Butterfly T05. But they are really using the 896, Big Dipper and 2008XP.

For under $45.00 you could have exactly what the CNT top pros use!


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Ilia Minkin
10-22-2015, 08:33 PM
Hmmmm.... why do so many professionals use Hurricane 3 blue sponge on forehand? What is so good about this rubber?

We have lost him...

keenansouthall
10-22-2015, 08:35 PM
Hmmmm.... why do so many professionals use Hurricane 3 blue sponge on forehand? What is so good about this rubber?

Only the CNT gets the "real"and best of this rubber, and it's probably the best looping rubber there is especially for the Chinese style. I noticed a lot of shake hand players use the Hurricane, while a lot of pen holders use the Skyline


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UpSideDownCarl
10-22-2015, 08:36 PM
Hmmmm.... why do so many professionals use Hurricane 3 blue sponge on forehand? What is so good about this rubber?

Find a pro who isn't from China who uses H3.

But that is the best marketing scheme ever. Then people buy a regular H3 and wonder why it is so dead. Then they try the Provincial version and wonder why it is so dead. Then they think the National is what the CNT players are really using. Only to find it feels dead also.

Then someone says you have to boost it. So they go about boosting it. And then they have spent a lot of money trying to figure out why CNT uses H3 only to find it is really Big Dipper with a made so that it says DHS H3 label on the topsheet.

No, for real, DHS rubber is good for certain things like if you take a very big swing.


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TableTennisPlaya
10-22-2015, 08:45 PM
The real truth is that all the guys on the CNT have these big contracts and say they are using all these special blades and rubbers. But they are all issued the same racket and the untold truth is, they are using the infamous Der_Echte Special with a slight modification. It is:

The Yinhe Galaxy 896 Blade
FH: Yinhe Big Dipper Black
BH: Dawei 2008XP Super Power

All the blades have the handle of their sponsor company. All the FH rubbers say something like DHS H3 and the BH rubber says something like Butterfly T05. But they are really using the 896, Big Dipper and 2008XP.

For under $45.00 you could have exactly what the CNT top pros use!


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So you're basically telling me every table tennis professional player uses the exact same rubbers and blade? Right... and what does CNT mean. Sorry I'm a bit of a noob :/

Ilia Minkin
10-22-2015, 09:04 PM
So you're basically telling me every table tennis professional player uses the exact same rubbers and blade? Right... and what does CNT mean. Sorry I'm a bit of a noob :/

CNT = Chinese National Team

Carl wants to divert you from thinking about spending tons of money in vain on shady equipment that is allegedly used by CNT pros.

UpSideDownCarl
10-22-2015, 09:28 PM
Yep. Ilia is exactly right.

It is likely that whatever they are using is customed and with the blades they had a few hundred to choose from before they chose the few they keep. Also, a lot of the times the pros make it look like they are using one thing but are using something else.

Like, all indications are that Fan Zhendong uses a Butterfly Viscaria with a Stiga Infinity handle. Now, his sponsor is Stiga. Stiga advertises that he uses an Infinity with some version of Stiga rubber. Why does the guy have a sponsorship from Stiga and not use ANY equipment that they make??????

Also, you will find characters all over the place saying that they are selling things like special DHS National H3 or W968 blades that were custom made for Ma Long and National Haifu Oil and charging lots of money for things that may be okay, but are not what they are said to be.

And that racket setup that I listed, it would be good enough for most of us and a lot less expensive than most TT equipment.

And also, I like joking around and making things entertaining and fun.


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Der_Echte
10-22-2015, 09:30 PM
CNT = Chinese National Team

Carl wants to divert you from thinking about spending tons of money in vain on shady equipment that is allegedly used by CNT pros.

Shhhhhh.... we want to let him discover that without help. :D (That you can also pplay well with appropriate gear that doesn't cost two arms and 4 legs.

UpSideDownCarl
10-22-2015, 09:34 PM
Shhhhhh.... we want to let him discover that without help. :D (That you can also pplay well with appropriate gear that doesn't cost two arms and 4 legs.

Hahaha. Now we are talking. That's my partner in crime. Der_Echte, tell these guys what we did the last time the goon squad chased us for using pro Tenergy and National H3 on our Viscaria with Infinity handle blades.


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Der_Echte
10-22-2015, 09:52 PM
They got pissed off, and almost pissed on, until they gave me a fake parking fee to buy us all a round of fresh veggie juice. :D

Richie
10-22-2015, 10:55 PM
Where is he saying that he wants to know because he wants to buy the same setup as a pro? Maybe it's just interesting to know what they use? It'd be interesting to have a list even though you can find out what each individual player uses with some work.

It's better you guys just be upfront instead. If he does want to spend money on it that's his choice. Either way better to just tell the truth instead of confusing him like you obviously have.

Dragan Glas
10-22-2015, 11:39 PM
Greetings,


Hmmmm.... why do so many professionals use Hurricane 3 blue sponge on forehand? What is so good about this rubber?
Their technique.

Kindest regards,

James

UpSideDownCarl
10-22-2015, 11:52 PM
Where is he saying that he wants to know because he wants to buy the same setup as a pro? Maybe it's just interesting to know what they use? It'd be interesting to have a list even though you can find out what each individual player uses with some work.

It's better you guys just be upfront instead. If he does want to spend money on it that's his choice. Either way better to just tell the truth instead of confusing him like you obviously have.

Hey, there is a difference between clowning around and other things. But everyone's got a right to their own opinion. Don't be afraid to voice yours. There is a long, pretty complete thread with an updated list of what all the pros are using though. So feel free to do a search for that. Till then, don't let the goon squad catch you using Pro Tenergy or National H3.


http://youtu.be/y0uPYv3rq0c


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UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 12:40 AM
By the way, in reality, most of he CNT is using very small variations on almost the exact same thing. Zhang Jike, Yan An and Fan Zhendong are all using Viscaria with H3 and Tenergy. I believe, at this point they are all using T05. But the version of Tenergy does change from time to time.

Ma Long and Fang Bo are both using the DHS W968 (Hurricane Long V variation) blade with H3 on FH. ML may be using Tenergy or a Hurricane variation for BH and Fang Bo is using T05 which ML definitely used to use.

Xu Xin is using Stiga Intensity blade with TG3 and some version of Tenergy like T05. The differences are much less than the similarities. And I bet if you gave any one of them one of the others blades, it wouldn't take long to get used to, well, except the handle of XX's blade for the others.


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UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 01:03 AM
The Japanese and European players are just slightly different. They generally don't use H3 or TG3. They use some version of Tenergy on both the FH and BH.

The blades aren't that different though.

But it is important to understand that table tennis is a sport that is much more about technique than equipment. As long as you understand that, checking out different equipment and EJing out can be fun but it can also cost a lot of money.

Just look at that guy Chen Chen who wants to charge 300 pounds for a blade that, according to him, is a DHS custom W968 so he is charging 175 pounds more than the going rate for a W968 which also may in fact be about 240 pounds too much for the actual blade he is selling. He has H3 Blue Sponge which he says is National which he is trying to charge 200 pounds for. Well most sources that sell H3 National Blue Sponge charge under $100.00 which is A LOT less than 200 pounds. But someone who didn't know that could get fleeced: at best his prices are WAY TOO HIGH, and more than likely, what he has, even if it is real DHS products, they probably aren't "National". And the guy even said he had "National" Haifu Oil, probably more like snake oil.

So there are plenty of ways for scam artists to use what people think the pros are using to separate newbies from their money.


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UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 05:51 AM
This thread has a pretty full list of what many of the pros are actually using:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10648-Pro-s-Equipment-2015-Update&highlight=fang+bo%26quot%3Bs+equipment%26quot%3B

Giangt
10-23-2015, 03:43 PM
The Japanese and European players are just slightly different. They generally don't use H3 or TG3. They use some version of Tenergy on both the FH and BH.

The blades aren't that different though.

But it is important to understand that table tennis is a sport that is much more about technique than equipment. As long as you understand that, checking out different equipment and EJing out can be fun but it can also cost a lot of money.

Just look at that guy Chen Chen who wants to charge 300 pounds for a blade that, according to him, is a DHS custom W968 so he is charging 175 pounds more than the going rate for a W968 which also may in fact be about 240 pounds too much for the actual blade he is selling. He has H3 Blue Sponge which he says is National which he is trying to charge 200 pounds for. Well most sources that sell H3 National Blue Sponge charge under $100.00 which is A LOT less than 200 pounds. But someone who didn't know that could get fleeced: at best his prices are WAY TOO HIGH, and more than likely, what he has, even if it is real DHS products, they probably aren't "National". And the guy even said he had "National" Haifu Oil, probably more like snake oil.

So there are plenty of ways for scam artists to use what people think the pros are using to separate newbies from their money.


Sent from Godric'sHollow using the ResurrectionStoneCarl, didn't you know all the Pro's use limited National stuff that!? The quality of limited National equipment are just a notch better than the normal National equipment. Only people with good connections are able to get their hands on such of gear.

UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 03:56 PM
Carl, didn't you know all the Pro's use limited National stuff that!? The quality of limited National equipment are just a notch better than the normal National equipment. Only people with good connections are able to get their hands on such of gear.

Okay. You've sold me. I am going to buy my Limited Edition National Haifu Oil and my National Underwear and Socks from Chen Chen today. I think the Limited National underwear and socks will make a big difference in my forehand spin.

Giangt
10-23-2015, 04:12 PM
Okay. You've sold me. I am going to buy my Limited Edition National Haifu Oil and my National Underwear and Socks from Chen Chen today. I think the Limited National underwear and socks will make a big difference in my forehand spin.Sounds awesome! I'll bet the socks and underwear will give you the freedom of movement so you can do a proper National FH topspin.Please give a review and post a picture of yourself wearing the Limited National Equipment.

Suga D
10-23-2015, 04:56 PM
Okay. You've sold me. I am going to buy my Limited Edition National Haifu Oil and my National Underwear and Socks from Chen Chen today. I think the Limited National underwear and socks will make a big difference in my forehand spin.

One more question: does the National Underwear also come with a blue sponge? ;)

TableTennisPlaya
10-23-2015, 04:58 PM
Okay. You've sold me. I am going to buy my Limited Edition National Haifu Oil and my National Underwear and Socks from Chen Chen today. I think the Limited National underwear and socks will make a big difference in my forehand spin.

LMAO I Finally Realised That You've Been Trolling Me.

This Is Top-Quality Banter!

TableTennisPlaya
10-23-2015, 05:08 PM
Where is he saying that he wants to know because he wants to buy the same setup as a pro? Maybe it's just interesting to know what they use? It'd be interesting to have a list even though you can find out what each individual player uses with some work.

It's better you guys just be upfront instead. If he does want to spend money on it that's his choice. Either way better to just tell the truth instead of confusing him like you obviously have.

Yep, they really confused me haha.
You're 100% right. I'm just interested to know what the pros use.
I already decided which rubbers & blade I want a while ago. Didn't know there were trolls on here lol.

Richie
10-23-2015, 05:23 PM
Yep, they really confused me haha.
You're 100% right. I'm just interested to know what the pros use.
I already decided which rubbers & blade I want a while ago. Didn't know there were trolls on here lol.

That's what I was thinking haha. Thanks for the info though Carl!
youtube.com/watch?v=KBWuDhIv9B0

TableTennisPlaya
10-23-2015, 05:34 PM
That's what I was thinking haha. Thanks for the info though Carl!
youtube.com/watch?v=KBWuDhIv9B0

What information? The only thing he did is leave me 100% confused and I still am confused. I regret asking this question & should of just bought the rubbers and blade. His stupid 'partner in crime' too... saying you dont need the best equipment to be good. Uh... i think i know that SHERLOCK! I'm already quite good but I just want to make a bat that suits my style of play... Stupid Trolls smh

jedimasterplk
10-23-2015, 07:35 PM
Throwing words like 'stupid' or 'trolls' without much thought or consideration is not a wise move. Carl is one of the most knowledgeable, and respected members of this forum. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say you need to be more cautious with your choice of language.

johnbhoy72
10-23-2015, 08:04 PM
Throwing words like 'stupid' or 'trolls' without much thought or consideration is not a wise move. Carl is one of the most knowledgeable, and respected members of this forum. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say you need to be more cautious with your choice of language.
To be fair, the guy asked a simple question.
It's not his fault he doesn't know the in- jokes of any given clique.

He clearly thinks he's being wound up or "trolled" and it can be an easy conclusion to jump to when you don't know the forum or its posters.

This is a good forum with lots of sound advice given out and lots of knowledgeable people also.

It can also appear be a very cliquey/clannish place to a newbie.

All just my opinion of course.

fais
10-23-2015, 09:12 PM
Sorry playa, we do get a bit carried away when having fun. To be fair, your question is easily google-able. Even wikipedia contains this the infomation you seek.

If you are geniunely curious and are seeking sound/solid advice from the more experienced/knowledgeable players on thus forum, then you should look to rephrase your question -possibly ask why do they use what they use, pris and cons and such, comprable alternatives for the individual/specific styles etc.

They wont jump on you so hard maybe.

TableTennisPlaya
10-23-2015, 09:13 PM
Throwing words like 'stupid' or 'trolls' without much thought or consideration is not a wise move. Carl is one of the most knowledgeable, and respected members of this forum. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say you need to be more cautious with your choice of language.

He is one of the most knowledgeable members of the forum? Well he was clearly winding me up with his 'partner in crime' AKA Der_Echte.
And yeah, I am new to this forum so please don't be giving me any of these jokes. & Sorry to Carl, didn't know he was such a respected guy. It was as if I was getting trolled when he was throwing em jokes at me with that other guy Der_Echet.

TableTennisPlaya
10-23-2015, 09:14 PM
Sorry playa, we do get a bit carried away when having fun. To be fair, your question is easily google-able. Even wikipedia contains this the infomation you seek.

If you are geniunely curious and are seeking sound/solid advice from the more experienced/knowledgeable players on thus forum, then you should look to rephrase your question -possibly ask why do they use what they use, pris and cons and such, comprable alternatives for the individual/specific styles etc.

They wont jump on you so hard maybe.

I understand what you're saying but I dont think there is anything wrong with the question I asked... I mean come on, at the end of the day it is a forum is it not?

UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 09:28 PM
To be fair, the guy asked a simple question.
It's not his fault he doesn't know the in- jokes of any given clique.

He clearly thinks he's being wound up or "trolled" and it can be an easy conclusion to jump to when you don't know the forum or its posters.

This is a good forum with lots of sound advice given out and lots of knowledgeable people also.

It can also appear be a very cliquey/clannish place to a newbie.

All just my opinion of course.

To be fair, I did give a lot of good information. Some of it is just mixed in with the jokes. My feeling is, jokes in fun are valuable because they hopefully keep people light hearted even while learning. But here, I will present some of the information I already presented that is very valuable: first: I did present the post that has a thread of this exact subject that is quite complete:


This thread has a pretty full list of what many of the pros are actually using:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10648-Pro-s-Equipment-2015-Update&highlight=fang+bo%26quot%3Bs+equipment%26quot%3B

Second: in one of those posts I did present the information about how similar the equipment from all the CNT players actually is. That is very valuable. I also presented information on how similar many European players equipment is.

Then, perhaps the most valuable information of all, I presented the idea that, there are people out there who will try and take advantage of all of us and the common desire for players to want to use what the pros use. If that is done in a fun way, and it takes a bit to figure out someone is joking, well, I am not trying to cause confusion.

But that Limited Edition, Custom, Blue Sponge, National Underwear and Socks are really a game changer. Suga D can tell you! :)

Hopefully no harm has been done. And both of you, have a look at the full thread that shows the research done to figure out what some of those more deceptive pros are really using.

Because Fan Zhendong is really using a Butterfly Viscaria with a Stiga Infinity handle. There are a couple of pros who do actually try to be deceptive about what they use and don't use equipment from the company that sponsors them. Dimitri Oxtcharov is another. But go look at the thread that has all the information and the good research that members have done to get that information. They list many of the top pros and what they are using.

And thanks for the feedback. Never be afraid to mouth off at me. If you are a human and not a PNut, I won't mind. I may not even mind if you were PNut from SkyNet.


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Giangt
10-23-2015, 09:39 PM
I am quite sure no harm has been caused here. The TTD forum have a bunch of admins that try to keep order and decent site where all people are welcome. If something fishy is going on in here the moderators will catch it.

johnbhoy72
10-23-2015, 09:59 PM
To be fair, I did give a lot of good information. Some of it is just mixed in with the jokes. My feeling is, jokes in fun are valuable because they hopefully keep people light hearted even while learning. But here, I will present some of the information I already presented that is very valuable: first: I did present the post that has a thread of this exact subject that is lower complete:



Second: in one of those posts I did present the information about how similar the equipment from all the CNT players actually is. That is very valuable. I also presented information on how similar many European players equipment is.

Then, perhaps the most valuable information of all, I presented the idea that, there are people out there who will try and take advantage of all of us and the common desire for players to want to use what the pros use. If that is done in a fun way, and it takes a bit to figure out someone is joking, well, I am not trying to cause confusion.

But that Limited Edition, Custom, Blue Sponge, National Underwear and Socks are really a game changer. Suga D can tell you! :)

Hopefully no harm has been done. And both of you, have a look at the full thread that shows the research done to figure out what some of those more deceptive pros are really using.

Because Fan Zhendong is really using a Butterfly Viscaria with a Stiga Infinity handle. There are a couple of pros who do actually try to be deceptive about what they use and don't use equipment from the company that sponsors them. Dimitri Oxtcharov is another. But go look at the thread that has all the information and the good research that members have done to get that information. They list many of the top pros and what they are using.

And thanks for the feedback. Never be afraid to mouth off at me. If you are a human and not a PNut, I won't mind. I may not even mind of you were PNut from SkyNet.


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Thank you for taking the time to post this.
I've been here long enough to have read the banter you guys use, it doesn't bother me in the slightest but I can understand why the guy felt the way he did.
You seem like a good guy Carl, thanks again.

fais
10-23-2015, 10:19 PM
I understand what you're saying but I dont think there is anything wrong with the question I asked... I mean come on, at the end of the day it is a forum is it not?

Agreed, nothing wrong with the question you asked, nor anything wrong with lighthearted trolling. But as I mentioned, the information and much more is available on wikipedia and many forums elsewhere. (There is even a thread dedicated to the equipment the pros use that is updated regularly on TTD carl shared).

As for me, I'm alway interested in engaging in convos about equipment and boosting.

UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 11:22 PM
As for me, I'm alway interested in engaging in convos about equipment and boosting.

Just remember, when you are boosting an H3 Limited Edition National Blue Sponge Custom pair of drawers to use the National version Haifu sesame oil booster with soy sauce, ginger and scallions. That is the only way to get the same effect as Ma Long. Oh, and Ma Long wears the boxers not the briefs. That special booster may actually be the real reason he is the 2015 World Champion.


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Giangt
10-23-2015, 11:27 PM
Just remember, when you are boosting an H3 Limited Edition National Blue Sponge Custom pair of drawers to use the National version Haifu sesame oil booster with soy sauce, ginger and scallions. That is the only way to get the same effect as Ma Long. Oh, and Ma Long wears the boxers not the briefs. That special booster may actually be the real reason he is the 2015 World Champion.


Sent from Godric'sHollow using the ResurrectionStoneYet again, Carl you forgot the Limited National Edition Blue Sponge socks! How could you forget!?

UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 11:35 PM
Yet again, Carl you forgot the Limited National Edition Blue Sponge socks! How could you forget!?

Yep. Boosted they really....well....give your game a boost.


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fais
10-23-2015, 11:51 PM
I shall continue to look for cheap yinhe knockoff underwear that will provide 80% performance of the real mccoy.

UpSideDownCarl
10-24-2015, 12:00 AM
I shall continue to look for cheap yinhe knockoff underwear that will provide 80% performance of the real mccoy.

Hahahahaha. I love it!!!!! Those Yinhe knockoffs are pretty close. But we can't let anyone know. Who will buy this whole pile of National stuff I've gotta get rid of.


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TableTennisPlaya
10-25-2015, 04:11 PM
Haha :D
You guys are funny.
Sorry for reacting the way I did, I take it all back. :)

Dragan Glas
10-25-2015, 05:30 PM
Greetings,

This is where Mormons are at a distinct advantage in table tennis - Magic UnderwearTM

Kindest regards,

James

UpSideDownCarl
10-25-2015, 07:46 PM
Haha :D
You guys are funny.
Sorry for reacting the way I did, I take it all back. :)

No harm done. The real trolls are hoping to start arguments and get people mad. Clowns like me are just trying to get people laughing and having fun. Even though you were confused at first. I was pretty sure you would start laughing when you started figuring out the jokes.

Nice to have you hear at TYDaily.


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