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TableTennisDaily
11-01-2015, 09:13 AM
You don't see this to often! Imagine if players started doing this!

Question:

Would this shot be legal or illegal? :)

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NextLevel
11-01-2015, 11:55 AM
Intentional double bounce shots are illegal...

UpSideDownCarl
11-01-2015, 02:22 PM
Catching the ball like that is pretty cool and not easy to do. The rest is clowning around. It is fun. But silly at the same time. But I could see someone like Waldner pulling something like that out in a demonstration match as a joke.

I like his two ball serve where he tosses one ball up and has the other hidden and served the second one as you are watching the high toss of the first. Hahahahaha.


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raazzz
11-02-2015, 10:12 AM
Really cool. Wonder what type of rubber is he using?

Dragan Glas
11-02-2015, 10:45 AM
Greetings,

Must be "sticky".

Kindest regards,

James

UpSideDownCarl
11-02-2015, 12:28 PM
This is cooler:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=047lRBrNQ2c

Watch particularly the Backspin Catcher at 1:13 and Grabbing and Punching at 2:34. And if anyone on here can do the first one for even 20 seconds I will be amazed. Suga D, what happened when you tried the first one? I tried that too. It is freakin' hard.

But is the shot in the original photo legal. hahahaha. That is a sill question. That is not a shot! That is a trick. Is Freitas's Grabbing and Punching legal? It is just as legal as Freitas's grabbing and punching. And, hopefully the people who voted that it is legal are joking around. But if they are not, I have a bridge to sell them.

UpSideDownCarl
11-02-2015, 12:35 PM
Oh yeah, and I don't think Frietas is using Tacky rubbers so the skill is not dependent on the rubber. But on the skill, touch and feel of the player. And I have seen Xu Xin and Zhang Jike do the backspin catcher with H3 so that one doesn't have to be Euro/Japanese non-tacky rubber.

raazzz
11-02-2015, 12:39 PM
Insane feeling by Freitas. I will try the catch at 1:13 as soon as I get the chance.

UpSideDownCarl
11-02-2015, 01:29 PM
Insane feeling by Freitas. I will try the catch at 1:13 as soon as I get the chance.

Notice how the ball is spinning in place on the rubber and it is almost like it is floating on the rubber and going from not touching to barely touching over and over so that, instead of having a long dwell, it is actually like he is having hundreds of contacts with almost no dwell but holding the ball in place with his touch. :)

I love that video and have to thank Killerspintt for bringing it to my attention originally. :)

megaexception
11-02-2015, 01:55 PM
Unfortunately, even with tacky rubbers ball will bounce multiple times on racket when catching ball with spin. It is clearly seen in Marcos Freitas video.
Also you can find video of catching backspin ball with Xu Xin, and also multiple bounces are present.

In real match, it is next to imposible to umpire to judge whether ball bounced on racket or not, so I believe any umpire will call such catch as fault.

luqketti
11-02-2015, 02:37 PM
super sticky rubber, the ball isnt even spinning its an effect .

UpSideDownCarl
11-02-2015, 02:56 PM
Again, someone with good touch can catch the ball like that with either kind of rubber.


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Suga D
11-02-2015, 05:05 PM
This is cooler:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=047lRBrNQ2c

Watch particularly the Backspin Catcher at 1:13 and Grabbing and Punching at 2:34. And if anyone on here can do the first one for even 20 seconds I will be amazed. Suga D, what happened when you tried the first one? I tried that too. It is freakin' hard.

But is the shot in the original photo legal. hahahaha. That is a sill question. That is not a shot! That is a trick. Is Freitas's Grabbing and Punching legal? It is just as legal as Freitas's grabbing and punching. And, hopefully the people who voted that it is legal are joking around. But if they are not, I have a bridge to sell them.

I'll try to post my backspincatcher asap. ;) But i never make it in the first attempt, rather 4th or 5th... But slowly i'm getting there.. :) And carl, i love that corking sound it makes when i catch... I'll try to get that on cam, too...

But that bouncin' on the edge of the table is really hard. I practice on walls, mirrors, but that edge is really really narrow and is even more difficult IMO. Freitas really's got a very fine touch. That Vid is really amazing and inspiring.

SchemeSC
11-02-2015, 05:13 PM
Watch particularly the Backspin Catcher at 1:13 and Grabbing and Punching at 2:34. And if anyone on here can do the first one for even 20 seconds I will be amazed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ-pL1Lh1do

I've had one attempt better than this one, which was 32 bounces and I believe it lasted about 10 seconds. Don't have that one on Youtube though.

Suga D
11-02-2015, 05:17 PM
Wow.... That is pretty good, congrats. Way longer than i can do. I'm happy if i can make more than five....

UpSideDownCarl
11-02-2015, 07:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ-pL1Lh1do

I've had one attempt better than this one, which was 32 bounces and I believe it lasted about 10 seconds. Don't have that one on Youtube though.

That is pretty darn good. I've been practicing it on a wall and it is crazy hard. On the edge, much harder. You have it for a decent amount of hits. Pretty impressive in my opinion.


I'll try to post my backspincatcher asap. ;) But i never make it in the first attempt, rather 4th or 5th... But slowly i'm getting there.. :) And carl, i love that corking sound it makes when i catch... I'll try to get that on cam, too...

But that bouncin' on the edge of the table is really hard. I practice on walls, mirrors, but that edge is really really narrow and is even more difficult IMO. Freitas really's got a very fine touch. That Vid is really amazing and inspiring.

That will be fun to see.

I need more work, but at some point I will try the one on the edge of the table for video.

The backspin catcher, I feel like an utter fool when I try it. Hahaha.



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SchemeSC
11-02-2015, 07:58 PM
Carl,

Just did it for about 25 seconds and around 90 hits. Should have it uploaded here in a bit.

SchemeSC
11-02-2015, 08:08 PM
That is pretty darn good. I've been practicing it on a wall and it is crazy hard. On the edge, much harder. You have it for a decent amount of hits. Pretty impressive in my opinion.

Not sure why the video quality came out so horrible on this one. I just realized that I am down on one knee and Freitas is not... not sure if that makes any kind of a difference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgUDLVm7_4

UpSideDownCarl
11-02-2015, 09:09 PM
Not sure why the video quality came out so horrible on this one. I just realized that I am down on one knee and Freitas is not... not sure if that makes any kind of a difference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgUDLVm7_4

It might make your legs work more the way Freitas is doing it. But it does not change the skill it takes to keep the ball under control on that little surface.

The quality of the video didn't matter to me for this. You can still see what you are doing pretty clearly and that is pretty good. It just shows how hard it is and how good Freitas's control is that he can look away and keep it going.

It may help to try it for people to have a respect for how hard it actually is. So, I think that is a pretty good job there SchemeSC!


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SchemeSC
11-02-2015, 09:35 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Carl.

When my friend saw Freitas doing this, he said "What's the big deal? That looks easy?" Then he went and tried it for the first time and couldn't get past 3 bounces. Hah! I started out practicing this against the concrete block wall and just tried to keep the ball within one of the concrete blocks. Once I got to the point where I could keep that going pretty much forever, I started practicing on the table.

The hardest part is getting started and making it past the first 10 bounces or so. But once you make it past 10 and get into a rhythm, you have a chance to keep it going for a really long time. I've found that having a childlike curiousity and a very still mind to be the best way to get good at this. The very second you start to get frustrated and stop just observing, it's over...

I recommend everyone try this, to be honest. It's harder than it looks.

TTHopeful
11-03-2015, 10:29 AM
Not sure why the video quality came out so horrible on this one. I just realized that I am down on one knee and Freitas is not... not sure if that makes any kind of a difference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJgUDLVm7_4

Very good! You have set a trend here! :)

The first post is definitely illegal, would be funny if someone like Xu Xin tried it in a match though!

fais
11-03-2015, 01:17 PM
Very good! You have set a trend here! :)

The first post is definitely illegal, would be funny if someone like Xu Xin tried it in a match though!

You mean kind of like this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTziC9WxuHA

Also, here's the vid of xx and ml attempting to catch the ball. xx tries both sides, but ml appears to be trying it on his by side only (tenergy)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7Z4bQtsyY

UpSideDownCarl
11-03-2015, 01:53 PM
You mean kind of like this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTziC9WxuHA

Also, here's the vid of xx and ml attempting to catch the ball. xx tries both sides, but ml appears to be trying it on his by side only (tenergy)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7Z4bQtsyY

The second video kind of shows how good Freitas is at the Backspin Catcher. :)