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wangliqin
10-26-2010, 06:40 PM
Who's the best TT player in history ?
I think Wang Liqin .
if you want to say : waldner ... I tell you NO
because Wang Liqin won Waldner in 2004 Athens Olympics. ( 4-1 )

david93fcb
10-26-2010, 07:16 PM
Are you kidding me? :D
2004?!
WLQ was in his prime there and Waldner already was an old man ;) (which didn't prevent him from beating Ma Lin and Timo)
I picked Waldner 'cause nobody will ever reach him in terms of feeling and witty playfulness!

Tamez_94
10-26-2010, 08:37 PM
Waldneeer!!

char987
10-26-2010, 09:53 PM
waldner was well past he prime in 2004 waldner is quite simpily best ever

TrueTears
10-27-2010, 04:29 AM
Wang Liqin, you can't really compare though, these players are all from different eras... Waldner was probably one of the best in his era, but Wang Liqin was definitely the best in his.

Barrow TTC
10-27-2010, 12:48 PM
Why is this under the 'England' forum section? Surely we should be voting on the best English players?

david93fcb
10-27-2010, 02:23 PM
We should not, he just made a mistake.
Perhaps Dan can move it to another section!

lgreggs
10-27-2010, 06:13 PM
there you go, sorted

wangliqin
10-27-2010, 09:11 PM
Why is this under the 'England' forum section? Surely we should be voting on the best English players?

hello ,, you mistake... this section IS'NT under the ENG. see carefully PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan
10-28-2010, 01:56 AM
there you go, sorted

Thanks lloyd for sorting the problem out :)

lgreggs
10-28-2010, 05:02 PM
no problem buddy

Offensive
10-29-2010, 05:02 PM
waldner sure.....
But for me Kalinikos Kreanga

ttFaka
10-30-2010, 04:40 PM
Waldner...

MildSeven
11-07-2010, 04:20 AM
Waldner, easily. He competed at the very top level against 3 waves of generations.

Baal
11-07-2010, 04:53 AM
C'mon guys. It can't be just because the look pretty, it has to be based on accomplishments. It has to be someone who has won the world championships more than once. It would be good if there was an Olympic gold in there too. Therefore it can't be Ma Long, or Timo Boll, who have never won anything significant and therefore rank below Jorgen Persson (one world championship), or Ma Lin (who has an Olympic gold but no world championship but the greatest #2 player in history) or RSM (one Olympics, nothing since). The only three on that list one should be arguing about are Waldner, Wang LQ, and Wang Hao. You could make a strong case for any of them. Each of them have been unbeatable in their prime. WLQ and WH were actually more unbeatable than Waldner when each were in their prime, but Waldner was a more creative player. Kong Linghui and Liu Guoliang should also be on the list, ahead of any of these other guys. If I was a betting man I would bet that the next world champion will again be Wang Hao, who it is east to forget is the defending world champion (twice).

Baal
11-07-2010, 04:59 AM
Joo Se Hyuk clearly the greatest defender of modern table tennis (which we could say is from around 1969-present), but winner of none of the really prized international competitions (World Championships, Olympics, World Cup). But at least a finalist. Everybody else mentioned, all great players, all fun to watch, but not in the same league as Waldner, Wang Hao and WLQ. Schlager, won of my favorite players, a classy human being, hit the big time once. Regarding Kreanga, I am wondering if he has won even a single ITTF pro tour tournament? None immediately come to my mind.

Dan
11-07-2010, 10:24 AM
C'mon guys. It can't be just because the look pretty, it has to be based on accomplishments. It has to be someone who has won the world championships more than once. It would be good if there was an Olympic gold in there too. Therefore it can't be Ma Long, or Timo Boll, who have never won anything significant and therefore rank below Jorgen Persson (one world championship), or Ma Lin (who has an Olympic gold but no world championship but the greatest #2 player in history) or RSM (one Olympics, nothing since). The only three on that list one should be arguing about are Waldner, Wang LQ, and Wang Hao. You could make a strong case for any of them. Each of them have been unbeatable in their prime. WLQ and WH were actually more unbeatable than Waldner when each were in their prime, but Waldner was a more creative player. Kong Linghui and Liu Guoliang should also be on the list, ahead of any of these other guys. If I was a betting man I would bet that the next world champion will again be Wang Hao, who it is east to forget is the defending world champion (twice).

Very valid points ther Baal! i think i should change the poll... I forgot about Kong and Liu ha :)

Yeah WH and WQ in there primes were unstoppable!!

pingpongmannen
11-07-2010, 11:39 AM
Ofcourse Jan Ove Waldner is the best player in the history! :) I love his personality and his playstyle!
And who can forgett his pokerface? :)

Baal
11-07-2010, 03:50 PM
The only legitimate reason to rank Waldner above Wang LQ or Wang Hao is a question of who he had to beat to win his championships. In his day, he had to beat the usual number of amazing Chinese players (which started with Jiang Jialiang and included Kong, Wang Tao, Liu Guoliang, and even Ma Lin). But in addition, he had to contend with a much tougher generation of European players than there is now. Think about who the European players were that are about the same age he is; Persson, Gatien, Saive, Korbel, Primoracs, Kalinic, Grubba, young Samsonov, young Schlager, a somewhat older Appelgren, and many others, much tougher comparably than the European players of today. On the other hand, he never dominated the sport as completely as Wang Liqin and, Wang Hao have for stretches of years. Waldner did not always play that well in ordinary ITTF events and he was capable of losing to lower ranked people in a way that never happened with Wang Liqin or Wang Hao when they were having their runs. You could also talk about Waldner's innovations in the game, especially serving, returning serve, tactics, etc. But who before Wang Liqin ever played with that much power from both sides, and what penholder before or since has had a backhand and a return of serve like Wang Hao?

It has to come down to those three, but like I said, there is no one obviously correct answer.

jyechen
11-09-2010, 03:23 AM
I gave Ryu a vote because, 1 Kim Taek Soo is awesome, but he never won anything and Ryu is his student who got the gold at Athens 2004.

I've watched a few amazing jpenners close up (2550+ USATT) and it is just amazing that they can keep up with only their forehand loop. Sure it's not that they don't have a backhand, but the required footwork to compete at the same level is just ridiculous. So, for Ryu to be as succesful as he is, kudos. (Of course, this respect is for jpenners in the modern game of TT, not back in the 38mm when it worked a little better because 3rd ball attack was everything).

Atomichaos
11-09-2010, 04:43 AM
just a reminder that ma ling beat waldner in his prime on several occasions xD

billalphonso79!
11-09-2010, 02:06 PM
ma long is a beast but he is young and has much to prove...my vote was for ma lin

Baal
11-10-2010, 12:39 AM
ma long is a beast but he is young and has much to prove...my vote was for ma lin

Ma Lin has never won a world championship. Waldner won two. WLQ has three (2001, 2005, 2007) and in his prime beat Ma Lin several times when it mattered most. Waldner also won an Olympics and World Cup. Wang Hao was ranked #1 in the world for 27 straight months recently. Sorry, Ma Lin cannot even be in the discussion. Yeah, he beat Waldner a few times, but their ages are very different. Ma Lin choked away big matches many times, and never really did anything significant till the 2008 Olympics.

Baal
11-10-2010, 12:50 AM
I gave Ryu a vote because, 1 Kim Taek Soo is awesome, but he never won anything and Ryu is his student who got the gold at Athens 2004.

I've watched a few amazing jpenners close up (2550+ USATT) and it is just amazing that they can keep up with only their forehand loop. Sure it's not that they don't have a backhand, but the required footwork to compete at the same level is just ridiculous. So, for Ryu to be as succesful as he is, kudos. (Of course, this respect is for jpenners in the modern game of TT, not back in the 38mm when it worked a little better because 3rd ball attack was everything).

RSM never won a world championship or a world cup. Cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as Waldner or WLQ. Not the greatest penholder, both Ma Lin and Wang Hao accomplished more. What you are arguing is as best as I can tell that he is the greatest player of all time who basically has no real backhand.

By the way you may be interested to know that Eric Owens played RSM once at the US Open just before RSM made it big on the world stage (I am thinking this was around 2004). He lost in straight games but they were all reasonable games, in the realm of 11-7 and 11-8. Eric (who was around 2600 at that time) told me that RSM was the quickest player he had ever played.

Tamez_94
11-10-2010, 01:43 AM
i agree waldner again xD!! he was amazing! his control and style were very grate!

josskuusk
11-18-2010, 07:33 PM
I picked Joo Se Hyuk because I am a defensive player too.

williammyname
11-19-2010, 02:18 PM
Waldner is the best for history.. I like it..

louisc
11-23-2010, 08:54 PM
Without any doubt Jan Ove Waldner

madamada
11-26-2010, 05:02 PM
i think liu guoliang is also one of the best players n his serve is definitely the best

jSlipkNoTj
12-02-2010, 01:49 PM
Timo BOLL!!!

shaolinTT
12-04-2010, 10:42 PM
I have 3 names: Waldner, WLQ, and Guo Yuehua.
Since Waldner got so many votes already, and I am a penholder, I've voted for "others".
Guo was in 4 World singles finals, winning 2 of them. Although Guo and Waldner played in different eras, Guo had a perfect winning record playing Waldner. When Waldner was asked which player he respected the most, he gave one name: Guo Yuehua.
I can't say which of the 3 is the best. I would put Waldner and Guo together, slightly above WLQ.

golfnumeric
12-21-2010, 03:10 PM
Ma Long is currently a living god

UsakoKirei
12-21-2010, 08:24 PM
waldner !! hes legendary.




and

Kong Linghui :D ( some people call him the prince of table tennis )

red5
12-24-2010, 11:39 AM
Timo Boll !

his table tennis style is so awesome

leankints
12-24-2010, 02:52 PM
There's something about how waldner plays. hahahaha. he makes it looks so easy, and it's like he's just playing around with the guys he's playing with. It's just sad that his age finally caught up with him. hahahaha. but he's still the mozart of table tennis :>

scylla24
12-26-2010, 03:34 PM
I am going to have to agree with some of the people in this thread, and say Wang Liqin is the greatest player ever. His level of dominance from 1998 or so to 2007 was unbelievable. There was a period of 3 years where he and Ma Lin reached the finals of every tournament they went to, with Wang Liqin winning the majority. He had 2 incredibly long periods at number 1, and has won three world championships.

Waldner is good, but I think during the period he was good, the competition level just isn't what it is now. The level of play, level of skill, level of spin has progressed so much, that frankly, its impossible to do the kind of stuff he did when he was younger, because the level of spin in todays professional game just allows so little room for error that you can't execute the kind of stuff he use to do. I think a big reason why people love Waldner is because he is the greatest white player. I mean just look at this thread, there are people voting for Boll as the greatest ever, and yet he hasn't won any world championships or olympics yet. All he has done is win the world cup, which occurs every year. He shouldn't even be in the conversation right now. And yet, because he is currently the best white player right now, he is super popular

Plus the argument that he has lasted throughout the ages, I don't really think should apply, because frankly, the only thing keeping Wang Liqin from doing the same thing is that the Chinese National Team gets new talent so quickly. If WLQ represented any other country he could play for the next decade and still be top notch. Especially when you consider that he probably is in better shape than any other table tennis player. He looks like freaken bruce lee, when he doesn't have a shirt on. And he has maintained that shape for the past decade. He could easily play for another 10 years, and be able to beat most non-Chinese players still.

WLQ is probably also the most athletically gifted table tennis player ever. There is no one with his combination of size and speed. People like Samsonov who have his size and reach look like turtles in comparison. Their movement speed and reaction rate are so much slower. And then people who are faster than WLQ don't have his long reach. So in my opinion, WLQ had an unbelievable combination of talent that made him so good. The Chinese national team has become so good with training methods, that in the future I think the only thing that will make a difference between who becomes the best on the team is born talents. ie, height and arm length etc.

damo
12-26-2010, 04:12 PM
Timo Boll !!!!!;)

poltery
12-27-2010, 07:30 AM
ma long kick butt!

UpSideDownCarl
01-16-2011, 07:38 AM
It is worth looking at the fact that Waldner was a force to be reckoned with in the table tennis world from 1983 until almost 2004. In '83 he had not hit his prime yet but still was up there, and in '04 he was old and starting to fade but still able to be 4th in the Olympics. When you look at someone like Wang Liqin, who was unstoppable in his prime, he is 8 years younger than Waldner was in '04 and his game has faded as much as Waldner's had. He cannot really compete at that level anymore. And when Waldner won the world Championship in 1997 he was unstoppable in that tournament.

scylla24
01-17-2011, 02:19 AM
Your argument only works because table tennis is way more competitive now, and has reached a whole new level of skill. People praise Waldner for his innovative style, and his unorthodox and unexpected shots. But frankly, no one can do most of those shots anymore, because the level of spin in today's game is so much greater that the room for error is too small do really do the kind of stuff Waldner did. And your statement what Waldner dominated from 83-04, isn't really accurate. Waldner was famous for losing to lowly players, when he wasn't motivated. It takes a lot of work to reach the top and stay at the top, because everyone is gunning for you and noticing how you play and adapting to your style. Wang Liqin had two periods at ranked number 1, that far surpasses what Waldner ever accomplished.

Plus, you call WLQ's decline in skill, but in reality, he can still beat every non-Chinese player probably 80 percent of the time at least, and 65 percent of the time for Boll. WLQ is in a totally different training setup, the Chinese rush in new talent all the time, so of course he is getting less time to compete, and thus his skills have fallen a bit. WLQ is one of the most dedicated players in terms of keeping in tip top shape, his body hasn't barely changed at all in the past decade, if he represented a different country instead of China, he could compete for the next 15 years probably and still be pretty competitive. Just because Sweden has failed to bring out any kind of talent for the past 20 years, and thus Waldner is still competing, really isn't a good reason to play Waldner over WLQ based on an argument of how long he has been playing professionally.

Daemahnic
01-21-2011, 09:19 PM
Waldner was the obvious choice but I picked Wang Liqin simply because I like him better.

Wilco
01-28-2011, 08:41 PM
As you ask who is the best Tabletennis player in history till now then there is only 1 answer and
the answer is Waldner.

romioshiny
02-05-2011, 04:54 AM
I like the style of hou yingchao very much and for me he's the greatest defender I've ever seen. The shoes he wear, I like so much and I want to purchase his type of shoes. I think it is Puma brand.

lgreggs
02-05-2011, 10:52 AM
In terms of pure results Wang Liqin is the best player ever. But Waldner with his style and his development of the game is why I picked him.