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duvla
11-29-2016, 03:04 PM
...but I wish I still had a Hypertouch).

But I still do :D

Andy, you think it would go great with -S series?

AndySmith
11-29-2016, 03:31 PM
But I still do :D

Andy, you think it would go great with -S series?

Yes!

For me, FX-S and EL-S just lack low-end liveliness. The arc and spin is fine for my needs. I tried them on a Yasaka Goiabao recently and the additional bounce and hardness really helped. The Hypertouch has some of that bounciness too, so I bet it would be lovely. But YMMV, of course.

MOG
12-01-2016, 12:36 AM
I have just acquired a sheet of EL-S from a forum member, can't wait to give it a try on my FH. Can no longer justify £55 for Temerity 05fx.

Ilia Minkin
12-01-2016, 01:01 AM
Yes!

For me, FX-S and EL-S just lack low-end liveliness.

What do you mean by that?

AndySmith
12-01-2016, 07:45 AM
What do you mean by that?

Just that they seem to lack initial catapult, or bounciness. A feature, not a bug - but on slower, softer blades they annoy me in comparison with my usual rubbers. I would adjust given time of course, but I tried them on bouncier blades and prefer them there.

MOG
12-04-2016, 10:38 PM
So very briefly after a couple of practices;

loop 05fx>EL-S (easier with 05fx, not sure if better)
re-loop EL-S>05fx
block EL-S>05fx
serves roughly equal i think
short game EL-S>05fx (massive difference)
serve return EL-S>05fx (big improvement)
drive/smash EL-S>05fx (big difference)

this is all on fh

the only thing i find 05fx is easier for is when out of position the throw and catapult get you out of jail sometimes
in everything else EL-S is much better so far

NextLevel
12-04-2016, 10:52 PM
So very briefly after a couple of practices;

loop 05fx>EL-S (easier with 05fx, not sure if better)
re-loop EL-S>05fx
block EL-S>05fx
serves roughly equal i think
short game EL-S>05fx (massive difference)
serve return EL-S>05fx (big improvement)
drive/smash EL-S>05fx (big difference)

this is all on fh

the only thing i find 05fx is easier for is when out of position the throw and catapult get you out of jail sometimes
in everything else EL-S is much better so far

That get out of jail was enough for me to not like EL-S

MOG
12-04-2016, 11:40 PM
yes i know waht you mean but the rest is better and i am better when i play close to the table. my feet dont move much so better to stay close and block.
im waiting for my YSE but looking forward to it after reading your review

MOG
12-13-2016, 04:42 PM
I'm back on 05fx on fh, I need the 'get out of jail free' spring sponge too much.
Trying on Yasaka Sweden Extra at the moment.

Ilia Minkin
12-13-2016, 06:08 PM
I'm back on 05fx on fh, I need the 'get out of jail free' spring sponge too much.
Trying on Yasaka Sweden Extra at the moment.

That should be their ad slogan. "Tenergy: the first rubber with the built-in 'get out of the jail' effect" :D

MOG
12-14-2016, 12:22 AM
today i just beat someone i have never beat in 20 years, i then topped that by beating the highest rated player i have ever beaten.
3-0 and 3-1 Yasaka Sweden Extra, 05fx fh and H3N bh
amazing, i must stop ejing immediately

Paw
12-16-2016, 01:43 PM
Did anybody find good deal for that rubber in EU??

Ilia Minkin
12-16-2016, 11:48 PM
Xmas sale: http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tibhar-evolution-el-s

artemis
12-17-2016, 06:43 PM
Would you mind comparing Fx-p, Fx-s and El-p in terms of spin, and throw angle??
Which one do you recommend for blocking between Fx-s and El-p?

Ilia Minkin
12-17-2016, 07:07 PM
IMHO EL-S has lower throw angle than EL-P. In general, it is easier to play with EL-P as EL-S feels much, much harder. With EL-P it is easier to block and loop if you don't hit hard. For me the advantage of EL-S is its stability in counterlooping rallies. If EL-P was as stable in that component, I would not change to EL-S and that is why I still keep it on my BH. EL-S is like a tacky, hard Chinese rubber: you either commit to the shot and get it, or put the ball into the net. I cannot measure the spin with my eyes, but it feels like EL-S has more spin when applying lots of power, and less with less power.

I played with a massively worn out FX-P for 15 minutes and can't say much that it felt superslow to me, though the arc of topspin looked great.

PS. Interestingly my first sheet of EL-S (MAX sponge) felt very close to EL-P, while the second one (again MAX) felt very different, much harder.

sanavasaraja
12-17-2016, 09:00 PM
Agreed -- with EL-S you really have to commit to your shots. Can't try to hit the ball halfheartedly or it will land in the net, can't have poor form or you'll shoot right over the table (with faster blade I guess). Not easy to play with it at all, its sort of a no-mistake rubber. To me it feels a bit harder than it actually is. Once engaged in faster balls however you get really great safety.

I haven't tried the EL-P, but I have to say that I do get MASSIVE spin on slower balls with the EL-S too, if I manage to brush the ball nicely. The balls floats calmly and then bombs down onto the other side of the table. Extremely grippy top sheet! Just as spinny as my MX-S, slightly different technique.
Throw is imho higher than most people say it is.

Airoc
12-18-2016, 09:04 AM
Interestingly my first sheet of EL-S (MAX sponge) felt very close to EL-P, while the second one (again MAX) felt very different, much harder.

If you take a look at the sponge hardness range given by Tibhar this is not so surprising. EL-P ranges from 42.4 to 44.4 while EL-S starts at 43.8 and goes up to 45.8. Add to that the different topsheet characteristics and it is quite likely that there´d be an overlap where both rubbers feel similar, but you could also have a soft EL-S and a hard EL-P and you´d find the latter to be harder.

Interestingly, on their website Tibhar have kept the hardness ranges for the first four Evolution rubbers while the new ones are given as plain 45 degree for EL-S and 40 for FX-S.

With its stiffer topsheet, among all 6 Evolutions EL-P is the one for blocking agressively while EL-S makes opening shots vs underspin easier than with many other rubbers. This is not to say EL-P is useless for topspin or EL-S not good for blocking, it all comes down to personal preferences, blade and technique while the actual differences between the rubbers are not as huge as one might think.

gmiller2233
10-17-2017, 06:50 PM
After reading this I decided to try out els on my forehand and today was my second long session with it. So far I'm really liking it. I'm Basically a serious recreational player and other than hitting friends don't have much experience with Euro rubbers on my forehand to compare els to since I have been playing Chinese tacky or Chinese type rubbers since starting a little over 3 years ago. lots of good discussions on here and I found it really helpful when thinking about making a change. I read stuff in here and gradually it starts to make sense. But I've been playing much better players of late and while doing that I'm starting to understand something I've heard on here from people before but I see at times can't alway execute the full swing that some thing like a h3 requires against better players and the high quality placed balls. I probably always keep a h3 type rubber on something because I do really like them but I've been thinking about trying somthing for a little while now. It's funny several comments that were maybe not negative but also not necessarily positive were some of the biggest factors in my trying it. For instance I liked the idea that it was stable and didnt have a strong response on the light touches and I was not worried about the idea of needing efort with you swing to get big spin since I was coming from tacky rubber I did not think it would take more effort than they require on most shots with those. My forehand (probably do to poor footwork) is more adaptable side but I was actually surprised how easy the transition felt. Compared to h3's h8 and even rising dragon (I'm not saying it's more spin) but it feels much easier and safer to get big spin out of els. And as many people have said looping back spin is a breeze. Another nice surprise for me Annyway was with counterattacking (hiting or topspin drives ) with it in top spin rallies off spiny loops or even when countering the other persons hits. It's still early but that shot seemed much easier (did not need to think about it really) to preform and it's seemed more dangerous to me with the ELS than my normal h3. I did however really struggle when trying to hit and put away balls that were popped up, not sure here need to look at that. Lastly I don't do it on my normal loop but I will on occasion I use a ton of wrist, somthing i would do with the h3 to pull out the extra spin and when using shot in match play today it was pretty fun seeing the supper late drop that froze my opponent before it hitting the white line for a winner. As I said I can't compare it to a tone of euro rubbers but so far I really enjoyed playing it.
Thanks for the discussion.


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