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MrDemir
06-07-2015, 08:01 PM
This topic will be used to list all the pro's equipment and when you post I will update my first post here.

Lets share pictures of professional players equipment. And i will update my post.

Pro's Equipment's

1)
Name : Ma Long
Blade : DHS w997
Fh : DHS Hurricane 3
Bh : DHS Hurricane 3 #60 sponge orange

2)
Name : Xu Xin
Blade : Stiga Intensity
Fh : DHS TG2
Bh : Tenergy 05 this confirmed with pictures on the site
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/fo...quipment/page2 (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?7321-Xu-Xin-s-Equipment/page2)

3)
Name : Zhang Jike
Blade : Butterfly Viscaria
Fh : DHS Hurricane 3
Bh : Tenergy 64

4)
Name : Fan Zhendong
Blade : Butterfly Viscaria with Stiga Handle
Fh : DHS Hurricane 3
Bh : Tenergy 05

5)
Name : Jun Mizutani
Blade : MJ ZLC new handle
Fh : Tenergy 64
Bh : Tenergy 80

6)
Name : Dimitrij Ovtcharov
Blade : Custom Donic blade
Fh : Tenergy 05
Bh : Tenergy 05

7)
Name : Timo Boll
Blade : Timo Boll ALC
Fh : Tenergy 05
Bh : Tenergy 05

8)
Name : Fang Bo
Blade : DHS w968
Fh : Hurricane 3
Bh : Tenergy 05
confirmed with pictures.


9)
Name :Vladimir Samsanov
Blade : Tibhar Force Pro Black Edition
Fh : MX-P
Bh : MX-P [U][B]

aznalanx32
06-07-2015, 09:15 PM
Dima is Bluefire M1 I think...

eduardo1995filipe
06-07-2015, 09:17 PM
Timo Boll: Timo Boll ALC
Tenergy 05 on both sides ;)

eduardo1995filipe
06-07-2015, 09:19 PM
Dima is Bluefire M1 I think...

I saw some Dima video and he was using Tenergy's on his Ovtcharov Senso V1

mahomedy13
06-07-2015, 09:28 PM
Ma Long:
B: DHS W997
Fh:Hurricane 3
Bh:T05/Hurricane 8

XX
B:Stiga Xu Xin Intensity
Fh:Hurricane 3
Bh:Hurricane 3 with custom sponge(tenergy I think)

ZJK
B:Viscaria
Fh:Hurricane 3
Bh:T64

Fang Bo
B: DHS W968
Fh:Skyline 3
Bh:T05fx

Fan Zhendong
B:Viscaria with Stiga handle
Fh:Hrurricane 3
Bh:T05

Timo Boll
B:TB ALC
Fh and Bh:T05

Some might be wrong,but most are right

aznalanx32
06-07-2015, 09:28 PM
Last time I saw him was like late 2013.

MrDemir
06-08-2015, 10:35 AM
anyone know mizutani and dimitrij ?

mahomedy13
06-08-2015, 12:48 PM
Mizutani
B:Mizutani Jun SZLC
Fh:T64
Bh:T64

Ovtcharov
B: Donic Ovtcharov senso V1
Fh:T05
Bh:T05

MrDemir
06-08-2015, 01:38 PM
Mizutani
B:Mizutani Jun SZLC
Fh:T64
Bh:T64
Bh:?

Are you sure ? i know he was using J.mizutani zlc.When he changed his main to SZLC ?

mahomedy13
06-08-2015, 02:37 PM
He used SZLC during the world cup

John18
06-08-2015, 03:28 PM
A post I posted in an another thread :

"Jun Mizutani doesn't use the JM Super-ZLC himself but the "simple" JM ZLC. The difference is only the 2 thin lines on the handle (yellow for Super-ZLC, white for ZLC).
There are not so many pros who play with Super-ZLC."

I'm practically sure because in the WTTC, in HD vids , we can see white lines between the black and the "red" of the handle (not yellow) AND Butterfly Japan site said itself, J.Mizutani uses a JM ZLC. Btw, the new JM ZLC is exactly like the Super ZLC except the color of the thin lines barely visible (like ZJK Super ZLC , ZLC , ALC almost exactly the same).

clickable link --> Jun Mizutani equipment (http://www.butterfly.co.jp/players/detail/ply041.html) (the site said T64 on both side too and is pretty accurate for other Butterfly sponsored players ; it even says Butterfly Spinart on LSW BH which is true)
clickable link --> All Butterfly players equipment (http://www.butterfly.co.jp/players/all/)

For Ma Long and Xu Xin, I'm pretty sure they come back to Tenergy for the BH (from different sources which seem reliable including XX's coach interview in a chinese ping pong magazine).

Giangt
06-08-2015, 07:44 PM
1)
Name : Ma Long
Blade : DHS w997
Fh : DHS Hurricane 3
Bh : DHS Hurricane 3 #60 sponge orange

2)
Name : Xu Xin
Blade : Stiga Intensity
Fh : DHS TG2
Bh : Tenergy 05 this confirmed with pictures on the site
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?7321-Xu-Xin-s-Equipment/page2

3)
Name : Zhang Jike
Blade : Butterfly Viscaria
Fh : DHS Hurricane 3
Bh : Tenergy 64

4)
Name : Fan Zhendong
Blade : Butterfly Viscaria with Stiga Handle
Fh : DHS Hurricane 3
Bh : Tenergy 05

5)
Name : Jun Mizutani
Blade : MJ ZLC new handle
Fh : Tenergy 64
Bh : Tenergy 80

6)
Name : Dimitrij Ovtcharov
Blade : Custom Donic blade
Fh : Tenergy 05
Bh : Tenergy 05

7)
Name : Timo Boll
Blade : Timo Boll ALC
Fh : Tenergy 05
Bh : Tenergy 05

8)
Name : Fang Bo
Blade : DHS w968
Fh : Hurricane 3
Bh : Tenergy 05
confirmed with pictures.


9)
Name :Vladimir Samsanov
Blade : Tibhar Force Pro Black Edition
Fh : MX-P
Bh : MX-P [U][B]

Machine_Head
06-09-2015, 02:02 AM
Hasn't it already been established that FZD is using a real Infinity and not a Viscaria with Infinity handles? I could be wrong though..

UpSideDownCarl
06-09-2015, 05:22 AM
Hasn't it already been established that FZD is using a real Infinity and not a Viscaria with Infinity handles? I could be wrong though..

Whatever FZD is using, I don't think it is an Infinity. :)

lycaon
06-09-2015, 02:26 PM
i can see from photos that FZD is using an ALC blade but why is everyone always saying its a viscaria? it can be any ALC to be honest, timo boll spirit, michael maze, etc

UpSideDownCarl
06-09-2015, 04:06 PM
i can see from photos that FZD is using an ALC blade but why is everyone always saying its a viscaria? it can be any ALC to be honest, timo boll spirit, michael maze, etc


http://www.sundns.org/discuz/data/attachment/forum/201401/24/000651l9xv39gi9imovozg.jpg

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/data/attachment/forum/201401/24/000741gdz2zd2z22dvg0kk.jpg
http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5977&stc=1

VISCARIA with stiga Handle??

Here is the thread. I think the real question is, why would someone be sponsored by one company and use equipment from another company when I am sure he can get Butterfly to sponsor him.

Is this fake? Has the photo been manipulated?

One thing we do know, FZD did use a Viscaria as a kid.

I thought it was fake at first. But, I am not so sure. I just think it is completely dumb that he may be using absolutely nothing from Stiga but their money. :)

TurboZ
06-09-2015, 04:15 PM
There was a pic claiming to be Fan's personal blade with rubber removed showing the faint print of Viscaria on the face. Anyway if he is using any Butterfly ALC it should well be Viscaria because he use it before signing up with Stiga.

Ah...Carl has it nailed.

UpSideDownCarl
06-09-2015, 04:44 PM
Now I must admit, I really don't understand this kind of thing.

I doubt FZD is making any more from Stiga than he would in the long run from Butterfly. He is using Butterfly rubber on his backhand too. By using Stiga he seems to be ensuring that he will not be using anything from his sponsor except for their money.

Now, I do understand why Wang Liqin used a Stiga Clipper with a DHS handle (National Pride and promotion of a good company from China). But why would FZD use Stiga as a sponsor, not use their blades, not use their rubbers and ensure that he is deceiving his fans when he does advertisements that say he is using a blade he definitely is not using?

He seems to be hurting his own image and the trust of his fans by doing this. And I can't imagine he is gaining more than he would if he took sponsorship from a company whose products he actually uses.

But I also can't fathom why ZJK has so many blades with his name on it and doesn't use any of them. Why wouldn't he get Butterfly to just make him exactly what he wants?

Why wouldn't FZD get Stiga to make him exactly what he wants?

To me this is both foolishness and a mystery.


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TurboZ
06-09-2015, 04:56 PM
It is not something limited to CNT players, Donic sponsored Dima also use Tenergy and Clipper like blade with only a Donic Ovtcharov Original Senso handle. Same goes to Baum Patrick with his Baum Carrera handle as well.

UpSideDownCarl
06-09-2015, 05:20 PM
Yeah. It is pretty lame though.


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Giangt
06-09-2015, 08:44 PM
At the Xiamen there was taken pictures of blades from the CNT.

This should be FZD's blade it is difficult to see the dark plies that the Infinity VPS V has. Judge for yourself.

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/data/attachment/forum/201504/14/151619f2jhxsk2u3x66yke.jpg

Source: www.sunds.org

I you would like to discuss if FZD is using the Stiga Infinity or not you can to this thread.

FZD is not using Infinity VPS?! (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?7346-FZD-is-not-using-Infinity-VPS-!/page4&highlight=Viscaria%20Stiga%20handle)

John18
06-09-2015, 09:33 PM
In the Butterfly Japan site that I mentioned some posts above (http://www.butterfly.co.jp/players/all/), they clearly said that some of their players use custom baldes while they could say the name of the blade "which match the handle". For example, for ZJK they don't say he uses a Viscaria but a custom blade with ALC. Same for Michael Maze, Marcos Freitas... On the other hand, it's TB ALC for Timo Boll, JM ZLC for Jun Mizutani. I find it quite honest.
Well, the point of that is maybe (surely ?) FZD uses a custom blade that Stiga made for him with an Infinity handle ?

UpSideDownCarl
06-09-2015, 09:39 PM
And it sure does look like an ALC ply.


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UpSideDownCarl
06-10-2015, 12:25 AM
Well, the point of that is maybe (surely ?) FZD uses a custom blade that Stiga made for him with an Infinity handle ?

Well, sadly, as a result of some information from some people who know him, it seems that there may be some inside information that the photo of the Viscaria with the Infinity handle is not a fake and that FZD really does use a Viscaria with an Infinity handle.

I don't know personally. But all the evidence seems to point in that direction.



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dici
06-11-2015, 12:43 AM
I believe i did mention quite number of times. There are many way of sponsors, which I believe for TT, it is sponsored to be spoke person instead of equipment sponsor.

Anyway, all those ZJK blade or LSW blade, you can assume it as butterfly sponsor them and they provide the right for butterfly to use their name for marketing purpose.

UpSideDownCarl
06-11-2015, 01:05 AM
I believe i did mention quite number of times. There are many way of sponsors, which I believe for TT, it is sponsored to be spoke person instead of equipment sponsor.

Anyway, all those ZJK blade or LSW blade, you can assume it as butterfly sponsor them and they provide the right for butterfly to use their name for marketing purpose.

What kind of spokes person is he if he is using a Butterfly blade? The message that seems to send is that Butterfly is so much better than Stiga that he doesn't use their equipment even though they pay him to and could make him anything he wanted.

Truthfully, if I was FZD I would never want to send that message. And if I was Stiga I would not really want to sponsor a player who is using a blade from a different company with a Stiga handle.


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TareqPhoto
06-11-2015, 05:54 AM
I only concern about Ma Long and Fang Bo blades, they are same DHS HL 5 but custom?

So, only the handle and weight will be the difference? I don't care to see the exact blade of those players to buy, but at least same model or brand, i am still torn between HL3 or HL5, sounds HL5 is more vote from many i asked locally as they even don't know much or didn't hear about HL3.

UpSideDownCarl
06-11-2015, 02:49 PM
1)
Name : Ma Long
Blade : DHS w997
Fh : DHS Hurricane 3
Bh : DHS Hurricane 3 #60 sponge orange



I only concern about Ma Long and Fang Bo blades, they are same DHS HL 5 but custom?

So, only the handle and weight will be the difference? I don't care to see the exact blade of those players to buy, but at least same model or brand, i am still torn between HL3 or HL5, sounds HL5 is more vote from many i asked locally as they even don't know much or didn't hear about HL3.

At WTTC in April/May Fang Bo was using DHS w968 which is an older version of the DHS Hurricane Long 5: http://ttnpp.com/store/home/721-dhs-w968-hurricane-long-v-5-national-7.html

And it seems that Ma Long is using DHS w997 which is a more recent version of the DHS Hurricane Long 5: http://ttnpp.com/store/home/743-dhs-w997-hurricane-long-v-5-national-long-v-handle-7.html

That is at least the last blade where you can verify exactly what Ma Long was using.

I believe both are ALC blades. But I got this info from Giangt. He is the guy with the real info.


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TareqPhoto
06-11-2015, 03:11 PM
At WTTC in April/May Fang Bo was using DHS w968 which is an older version of the DHS Hurricane Long 5: http://ttnpp.com/store/home/721-dhs-w968-hurricane-long-v-5-national-7.html

And it seems that Ma Long is using DHS w997 which is a more recent version of the DHS Hurricane Long 5: http://ttnpp.com/store/home/743-dhs-w997-hurricane-long-v-5-national-long-v-handle-7.html

That is at least the last blade where you can verify exactly what Ma Long was using.

I believe both are ALC blades. But I got this info from Giangt. He is the guy with the real info.



Ok.

I thought that Long 5 have Aromatic carbon [aromatic carbon / Kevlar Carbon], not sure if this is same as ALC carbon.

VicVoc32
06-11-2015, 03:26 PM
It is not something limited to CNT players, Donic sponsored Dima also use Tenergy and Clipper like blade with only a Donic Ovtcharov Original Senso handle. Same goes to Baum Patrick with his Baum Carrera handle as well.

do you have any good photos of Dimas blade?

TurboZ
06-11-2015, 10:33 PM
do you have any good photos of Dimas blade?

See the picture

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Giangt
06-11-2015, 11:03 PM
FZD blade taken at racket control from the CTTSL.

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MzYwNzIyfDBkZjM5NTU5fDE0MzM5NTQ5NjN8MHwzNjA2MTE%3D&nothumb=yes

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MzYwNzIzfDRkZTBiNGQ0fDE0MzM5NTQ5NjN8MHwzNjA2MTE%3D&nothumb=yes

Source: www.sunds.org

slevin
06-11-2015, 11:20 PM
I understand that there is an absence of evidence either way but, at the moment (& looking at his games), I don't buy that FZD uses Viscaria & not Infinity.

Giangt
06-11-2015, 11:27 PM
At WTTC in April/May Fang Bo was using DHS w968 which is an older version of the DHS Hurricane Long 5: http://ttnpp.com/store/home/721-dhs-w968-hurricane-long-v-5-national-7.html

And it seems that Ma Long is using DHS w997 which is a more recent version of the DHS Hurricane Long 5: http://ttnpp.com/store/home/743-dhs-w997-hurricane-long-v-5-national-long-v-handle-7.html

That is at least the last blade where you can verify exactly what Ma Long was using.

I believe both are ALC blades. But I got this info from Giangt. He is the guy with the real info.


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The W968 Ma Long he used approx. more than a year ago was with the black handle with yellow/grey stripe. I think similar characteristics and composition are used for mass production of the Hurricane Long 5.

Then Ma Long got the W997 which is similar composition, but lighter and thicker. This blade have more flex than W968 and have the same as HL3

At Suzhou Fang Bo shows up with the W968 with the same handle as HL3. I have heard from my source that the new W968 have been optimized and the difference is that it is lighter and thicker than the W997.


Ok.

I thought that Long 5 have Aromatic carbon [aromatic carbon / Kevlar Carbon], not sure if this is same as ALC carbon. It is ALC composite which they use. Arylate comes in different colors. Butterfly just have their blue.

UpSideDownCarl
06-12-2015, 12:21 AM
I understand that there is an absence of evidence either way but, at the moment (& looking at his games), I don't buy that FZD uses Viscaria & not Infinity.

Well, actually, when someone says they have a friend who is close to him and who knows he is using a Viscaria, and there is a photo of him holding a Viscaria that has an Infinity handle, that says something.

However, closeup photos of the blade bat give a decent look from the side at the plies shot that it is DEFINITELY NOT a Stiga Infinity. Whatever blade it is, regardless of what company made the blade, IT IS NOT AN INFINITY.

Have a close look at the plies. Blow it up and compare it to an infinity. Totally different ply construction.


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UpSideDownCarl
06-12-2015, 12:59 AM
FZD blade taken at racket control from the CTTSL.

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MzYwNzIyfDBkZjM5NTU5fDE0MzM5NTQ5NjN8MHwzNjA2MTE%3D&nothumb=yes

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MzYwNzIzfDRkZTBiNGQ0fDE0MzM5NTQ5NjN8MHwzNjA2MTE%3D&nothumb=yes

Source: www.sunds.org

By the way, if you blow up the second photo where you can see the plies from the bottom, there are a few things that stand out under close analysis:

1) the darker ply is way to thin to be the darker ply of an Infinity.

2) Between the darker ply and the thick core ply there is another ply that is thin and lighter wood color.

3) That means the blade has 7 plies. The Infinity has 5 plies.

So it can't be an Infinity.


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slevin
06-12-2015, 03:30 PM
Well, actually, when someone says they have a friend who is close to him and who knows he is using a Viscaria,

Before I believe this, Carl, I'd like to see close-up photos of a Viscaria-like blade in FZD's hand while playing a match. Given so many full-HD matches out there, I'm sure a TT enthusiast / FZD fan should be able to pull something up for us.

Also, is there recent proof that ZJK uses T64?

UpSideDownCarl
06-12-2015, 07:51 PM
Before I believe this, Carl, I'd like to see close-up photos of a Viscaria-like blade in FZD's hand while playing a match. Given so many full-HD matches out there, I'm sure a TT enthusiast / FZD fan should be able to pull something up for us.

Also, is there recent proof that ZJK uses T64?

Well, I think what I showed above is that FZD is alsolutely not using a 5 ply blade or an Infinity. I don't think you can prove to someone who doesn't want to believe that something is the case. My suggestion to you is to go to a match FZD is playing, and when it is over take his racket and pull the rubber off. I think that would be the only proof you would accept anyway.

But, based on the photo above, you cannot deny that he is using a 7 ply blade and the darker ply is not thick enough to be the darker ply of an Infinity. I am not sure what blade FZD is using but it is not an Infinity. That is all I can say for sure.

And there are many photos that show FZD is using a 7 ply blade.

As far as ZJK, he may actually be using T05 on his backhand. But I don't know that for sure. There were photos of him with 05 packages in his case but that does not prove anything and there were photos of rubbers that say his name in Chinese and the red one looks like it says T05, but it still doesn't prove anything. But it is possible that ZJK is using T05.

Tony's Table Tennis
06-12-2015, 10:08 PM
My suggestion to you is to go to a match FZD is playing, and when it is over take his racket and pull the rubber off. I think that would be the only proof you would accept anyway.


That is what my friend did, but you always get your non-believers
For the ones who want to believe - trust me, FZD is using Viscaria-blade with Infinity handle
This is really common knowledge in Chinese forums, but in English forums, people are forever doubting

UpSideDownCarl
06-12-2015, 11:09 PM
That is what my friend did, but you always get your non-believers
For the ones who want to believe - trust me, FZD is using Viscaria-blade with Infinity handle
This is really common knowledge in Chinese forums, but in English forums, people are forever doubting

Thank you TTTony. Tony is who got me to realize that his insider info was probably real. So thanks for coming out and saying this yet again. I really doubted it at first. I couldn't imagine FZD would let Stiga sponsor him and use a Butterfly product with a Stiga handle when he really could get Stiga to make him whatever he wants. Or he could just take sponsorship with Butterfly. I would be they would love to have him on Butterfly.

But I know that blade from the side is definitely not an Infinity and it does look like a Viscaria. Truthfully, it makes no difference to me what you think. But I trust the photos I have seen and I trust TTTony.


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Gerard_Taboada
06-12-2015, 11:17 PM
Chinese forums

Sorry for the off topic but, which are the best chinese TT forum?

rxng
07-15-2015, 08:13 AM
FZD blade taken at racket control from the CTTSL.

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MzYwNzIyfDBkZjM5NTU5fDE0MzM5NTQ5NjN8MHwzNjA2MTE%3D&nothumb=yes

http://www.sundns.org/discuz/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MzYwNzIzfDRkZTBiNGQ0fDE0MzM5NTQ5NjN8MHwzNjA2MTE%3D&nothumb=yes

Source: www.sunds.org

Hello Giangt,

FZD is using Viscaria with STIGA Handle, but these two pictures are not his blade.
This blade is "made" by one of FZD fans in China.

Giangt
08-17-2015, 08:31 PM
Hello Giangt,

FZD is using Viscaria with STIGA Handle, but these two pictures are not his blade.
This blade is "made" by one of FZD fans in China. Do you know where he got the lens from?

Ilia Minkin
08-18-2015, 03:02 AM
Now I must admit, I really don't understand this kind of thing.

I doubt FZD is making any more from Stiga than he would in the long run from Butterfly. He is using Butterfly rubber on his backhand too. By using Stiga he seems to be ensuring that he will not be using anything from his sponsor except for their money.


But why do you think that it is up to FZD to choose the sponsor? Something tells me that in countries like China, senior team management are in charge of subtle political issues like sponsorship of a CNT level player, but not players themself.

UpSideDownCarl
08-18-2015, 03:25 AM
But why do you think that it is up to FZD to choose the sponsor? Something tells that in countries like China, senior team management are in charge of subtle political issues like sponsorship of a CNT level player, but not players themself.

You may be right. I am not sure how things really work. But even if other people from the CNT are deciding something like that, to me, it looks pretty unintelligent and unprofessional to have a guy playing with a Butterfly racket with a Stiga handle and to have Stiga saying he is playing with rubbers and a blade that he is not using. I am not sure anyone looks good as a result of it. And if there is any political reasoning behind messing with Stiga, Butterfly and FZD all at the same time, and making all of them look bad, then I can't figure out what that might be. I would say, regardless of who made the decision, it shows a little bit of a lack of foresight.

Ilia Minkin
08-18-2015, 03:29 AM
And if there is any political reasoning behind messing with Stiga, Butterfly and FZD all at the same time, and making all of them look bad, then I can't figure out what that might be. I would say, regardless of who made the decision, it shows a little bit of a lack of foresight.

Politics is often irrational. And in Southeast Asia it has its own flavour :)

UpSideDownCarl
08-18-2015, 03:52 AM
Politics is often irrational. And in Southeast Asia it has its own flavour :)

I do think you have a point. FZD was only 16 when he was sponsored by Stiga. Probably someone else made that decision for him. How strange.

Der_Echte
08-18-2015, 05:14 AM
Now I must admit, I really don't understand this kind of thing.

I doubt FZD is making any more from Stiga than he would in the long run from Butterfly. He is using Butterfly rubber on his backhand too. By using Stiga he seems to be ensuring that he will not be using anything from his sponsor except for their money.

Now, I do understand why Wang Liqin used a Stiga Clipper with a DHS handle (National Pride and promotion of a good company from China). But why would FZD use Stiga as a sponsor, not use their blades, not use their rubbers and ensure that he is deceiving his fans when he does advertisements that say he is using a blade he definitely is not using?

He seems to be hurting his own image and the trust of his fans by doing this. And I can't imagine he is gaining more than he would if he took sponsorship from a company whose products he actually uses.

But I also can't fathom why ZJK has so many blades with his name on it and doesn't use any of them. Why wouldn't he get Butterfly to just make him exactly what he wants?

Why wouldn't FZD get Stiga to make him exactly what he wants?

To me this is both foolishness and a mystery.


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Luv ur phone description on this post... but at the end of the day, we should look for hte good stuff.

We all know what certified TTD member Abe Gold uses to go to battle each month and have seen the pics, been there, done that, and own the T-Shirt. He doesn't hide anything and is free to take whatever big money offer comes hiz way.

axel9363
09-05-2015, 06:57 PM
Hi

does someone know how much mm Ma Long, Zhang Jike and Fan Zhendong are using on their Hurricane 3 ?
And same for the Tenergy 05 of Xu Xin and Fan Zhendong please.

Thanks

TurboZ
09-05-2015, 10:50 PM
I see Dima not using the Clipper like blade and Jun went back again to his old design MJ vs CCY in Austrian Open. Players still adjusting their equipment with new balls so it seems.

John18
09-06-2015, 08:28 PM
Jun Mizutani played with T80 on his FH at the Austrian Open ?
A pic from his twitter he has just posted:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COO4G5xUYAAMs4Y.jpg

Dan
09-06-2015, 11:08 PM
Jun Mizutani played with T80 on his FH at the Austrian Open ?
A pic from his twitter he has just posted:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COO4G5xUYAAMs4Y.jpg

Nice find! What is Jun Mizutani's twitter?

John18
09-07-2015, 08:17 AM
Nice find! What is Jun Mizutani's twitter?
It's just @Mizutani__Jun --> https://twitter.com/Mizutani__Jun
In the post, It seems that he thanks his fans, Kenji (Matsudaira?) for being his practise partner and... his racket which was worn out but last till the end http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif.
I don't know if his super duper level during the Austrian Open was partly due to his "new combo" (he used the old JM ZLC too) but I hope he can maintain it. It will be a treat for us spectators.

Dan
09-07-2015, 08:38 AM
It's just @Mizutani__Jun --> https://twitter.com/Mizutani__Jun
In the post, It seems that he thanks his fans, Kenji (Matsudaira?) for being his practise partner and... his racket which was worn out but last till the end http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing002.gif.
I don't know if his super duper level during the Austrian Open was partly due to his "new combo" (he used the old JM ZLC too) but I hope he can maintain it. It will be a treat for us spectators.

Great find, I had no idea Jun was on Twitter! Twitter must be popular in Japan! And yh I hope he can to, makes events so much more interesting and exciting to watch!

TTHopeful
09-07-2015, 09:03 AM
Kristian Karlson from Calibra to Tenergy at the Czech Open

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5665/20778285050_287b6e4e25_h.jpg

John18
09-07-2015, 09:06 AM
Great find, I had no idea Jun was on Twitter! Twitter must be popular in Japan! And yh I hope he can to, makes events so much more interesting and exciting to watch!
Yeah, unlike CNT, almost all the players of JNT are on twitter. I even saw a retweet of a TTD tweet by a japanese player. I think it was Miyu Kato so maybe she is a follower of TTD on twitter.
Maybe a lead for a future interview or "ask your questions" even if the language barrier may make it difficult. :)

Dan
09-07-2015, 09:28 AM
Yeah, unlike CNT, almost all the players of JNT are on twitter. I even saw a retweet of a TTD tweet by a japanese player. I think it was Miyu Kato so maybe she is a follower of TTD on twitter.
Maybe a lead for a future interview or "ask your questions" even if the language barrier may make it difficult. :)

Wow that is really cool! We definitely could definitely try this, I would love to get the Japanese on board :)

UpSideDownCarl
10-23-2015, 05:53 AM
Here is the thread.

rmpelc
10-23-2015, 07:15 AM
Why is he sponsored by stiga but not using stiga equipment. That is a misconception.

Dragan Glas
10-23-2015, 11:04 AM
Greetings,

A database of blades, including side views, would enable anyone to compare a player's blade and identify what blade they're actually using. The plies would give the definitive answer - regardless of the handle.

The conundrum about sponsorship is certainly perplexing.

Perhaps clothing is the main aspect for some, whilst the manufacturers may have a "gentleman's agreement" on equipment: whoever's handle (brand/logo) is on the blade gets the PR benefit!? It's also possible that a player may be more comfortable with a particular handle rather than the one that comes on the blade - like handguns, no matter how well engineered are the internals, if the grip isn't right for you...

Kindest regards,

James

Anders
10-23-2015, 11:22 AM
Kristian Karlson from Calibra to Tenergy at the Czech Open

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5665/20778285050_287b6e4e25_h.jpg


Good find! I believe he has done the same as Pär Gerell.. He's still using Calibra LT on the backhand, but has found out that the Tenergy is more suitable for his forehand game. Did you see how well PG played since he change to Tenergy on forehand? Huge difference! Sooo more stabile now :D

rmpelc
10-23-2015, 12:03 PM
But you buy a blade for its playing qualities not what it looks like therefore its a misconception

Tommy16
10-23-2015, 01:57 PM
Good find! I believe he has done the same as Pär Gerell.. He's still using Calibra LT on the backhand, but has found out that the Tenergy is more suitable for his forehand game. Did you see how well PG played since he change to Tenergy on forehand? Huge difference! Sooo more stabile now :D

I´m really sceptical about this photo. I haven´t seen Kristian playing with red rubber in his fh nor without edge tape lately. If I would have to bet I would bet that this photo is from practice where he is trying out this racket. I can be wrong, but this picture doesn´t prove me that he has actually changed his gear.

Giangt
10-23-2015, 03:34 PM
I´m really sceptical about this photo. I have never seen Kristian playing with red rubber in his fh nor without edge tape. If I would have to bet I would bet that this photo is from practice where he is trying out this racket. I can be wrong, but this picture doesn´t prove me that he has actually changed his gear.
I am sorry to say but you lost your bet ;) The picture is from the official ITTF Flickr site day 3 from the Czech open 2015. This means the picture is very recent and valid as well.

Tommy16
10-23-2015, 08:13 PM
I am sorry to say but you lost your bet ;) The picture is from the official ITTF Flickr site day 3 from the Czech open 2015. This means the picture is very recent and valid as well.

Yes I know that this picture is from official ITTF site. I tried to find a video of Kristians mach from that tournament but didn´t find any. So I´m still sceptical;). I´m not saying that I´m absolutely sure that he is not playing with Tenergy
but I would still bet against it. If someone can find a Clear picture of his fh rubber from World cup or European championships it would be really appreciate:).

Tommy16
10-25-2015, 06:58 PM
After Polish open I would still bet strongly against Kristian using Tenergy and just hope that no one calls my bluff:p.


Yes I know that this picture is from official ITTF site. I tried to find a video of Kristians mach from that tournament but didn´t find any. So I´m still sceptical;). I´m not saying that I´m absolutely sure that he is not playing with Tenergy
but I would still bet against it. If someone can find a Clear picture of his fh rubber from World cup or European championships it would be really appreciate:).

Giangt
10-25-2015, 08:46 PM
As I said to you before I think you lost your bet! ;) I found a picture of him from the WC where he uses T05 Black in FH and in his BH he uses a Calibra of some kind probably LT.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vNvHTrcmw68/Vi0-emIj2kI/AAAAAAAADYc/fzALYs2fC9Y/s576-Ic42/image.jpeg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ittfworld/22034226590/in/photostream/

Danggi
10-26-2015, 11:42 AM
Have any Pros use innerforce zlc in nowadays?

Any mini review for this blades?

UpSideDownCarl
10-30-2015, 05:31 AM
Bump.

Jakob-Emil
10-30-2015, 06:02 AM
Does anyone have a updated list of Ma Long's rubbers?

MegaZZ
10-30-2015, 07:28 AM
I saw your other thread earlier, was waiting for Giangt to reply as he is the guru on these matters. I actually think ML BH is on a Tenergy at the moment (I think UpsideDownCarl mentioned this as well) and if I had to take a stab I would say it's Tenergy 05. I can't provide a picture yet to prove this but I believe someone will have something from the recently concluded World Cup, Polish Open or maybe from Chinese Super League earlier this year. FH I believe it's still H3 Neo Blue Sponge. Anyway, we need others to wade in and confirm?

It's the rubber watching season again hehe (much like it's getting to be good bird watching season Down Under)

UpSideDownCarl
10-30-2015, 01:48 PM
I saw your other thread earlier, was waiting for Giangt to reply as he is the guru on these matters. I actually think ML BH is on a Tenergy at the moment (I think UpsideDownCarl mentioned this as well) and if I had to take a stab I would say it's Tenergy 05. I can't provide a picture yet to prove this but I believe someone will have something from the recently concluded World Cup, Polish Open or maybe from Chinese Super League earlier this year. FH I believe it's still H3 Neo Blue Sponge. Anyway, we need others to wade in and confirm?

It's the rubber watching season again hehe (much like it's getting to be good bird watching season Down Under)

And if you look at the setup Giangt has listed as his setup, I believe that may be Ma Long's setup too. hahaha.

Giangt
10-31-2015, 01:32 PM
Seems like Kasumi Ishikawa changed her blade at the WC from Clipper to IF ALC... Hey is that Butterfly's online shop!? Gotta go...

https://flic.kr/p/AcC8hW

https://flic.kr/p/At2TRG

Giangt
11-09-2015, 07:50 PM
Antoine Hachard's equipment.
Innerforce ALC + T05's

8479

This is the guy who gave ML a hard time at China Open 2015

https://www.facebook.com/HachardAntoine/photos/pb.317694768348670.-2207520000.1447016093./832257816892360/?type=3&theater


http://youtu.be/QE38pUExauc

paco
12-20-2015, 10:51 PM
2015 ITTF World Tour Grand Finals, Dec 10 - 13, Lisbon POR

paco
12-20-2015, 10:54 PM
2015 ITTF World Tour Grand Finals, Dec 10 - 13, Lisbon POR.Janus videos:
I was watching the Octcharov vs Mizutani ( Janus videos). At 11.31 minute there is a clear image of the Octcharov blade on the table where the plies can be seen.

RajaLoopah
12-21-2015, 07:42 AM
2015 ITTF World Tour Grand Finals, Dec 10 - 13, Lisbon POR.Janus videos:
I was watching the Octcharov vs Mizutani ( Janus videos). At 11.31 minute there is a clear image of the Octcharov blade on the table where the plies can be seen.

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There ya go :)

VicVoc32
12-21-2015, 02:05 PM
So Ovtcharov is clearly not using a Donic blade. I have heard that he has used the Stiga Clipper but that blade does not look lika a Clipper. Can it be Stiga Carbonado or some Butterfly carbon blade?

RajaLoopah
12-21-2015, 02:26 PM
So Ovtcharov is clearly not using a Donic blade. I have heard that he has used the Stiga Clipper but that blade does not look lika a Clipper. Can it be Stiga Carbonado or some Butterfly carbon blade?

I think the Ma Long giving dima two
Blades is the key, well it's just a hunch ;)

road
12-21-2015, 02:51 PM
Rubber Ma Long BH NEO Hurricane 3 37-38 degree

Giangt
03-05-2016, 09:33 PM
Samuel Walker uses Donic Crest OFF with BlueFire M1 on both sides.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1595/25527469615_e3dba7c175_b.jpg

paco
03-05-2016, 09:54 PM
I have been watching Dyjas Jakub matches and i like very much this player.
It seems the blade is a Donic Waldner Dicon. But in other forum people say is a Timo boll Zlf with Dicon handle.
Does anyone what he use ?

Thanks !

Giangt
03-06-2016, 12:46 PM
Li Xiao Xia using Carbonado 145 and still H3 NEO Orange on FH

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1594/25254459470_f1e2f4dd98_b.jpg
Courtesy of ITTF Flickr

Chen Chen
03-06-2016, 05:37 PM
Li Xiao Xia using Carbonado 145 and still H3 NEO Orange on FH

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1594/25254459470_f1e2f4dd98_b.jpg
Courtesy of ITTF Flickr


it is just a handle you can see from the photo. She is using 5 ply wood blade.

Giangt
03-06-2016, 09:30 PM
it is just a handle you can see from the photo. She is using 5 ply wood blade.
I do not see any photo backing your story up... Sorry.

VicVoc32
03-07-2016, 08:26 AM
Haha I don't see why you should lie Chen Chen? Here is a photo where you can clearly see that it's a Carbonado145.


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Chen Chen
03-07-2016, 09:27 AM
She was using DHS custom made N69 before. My knowledge needs to be updated. Sorry about lying to you...

joelifigo
03-31-2016, 10:47 AM
Ma Long has been using hurricane3 for both sides since early 2015 I think.
FH: hurricane 3 national team version 2.10/41 of blue sponge with his name printed on the sponge
BH:hurricane 3 national team version 2.10/37 of orange sponge with his name printed on the sponge

joelifigo
03-31-2016, 10:52 AM
Li Xiao Xia using Carbonado 145 and still H3 NEO Orange on FH

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1594/25254459470_f1e2f4dd98_b.jpg
Courtesy of ITTF Flickr

Li Xiaoxia has just changed to 145 recently, as she used to play with DHS special-made blades and STIGA Ebon5/7.

qvoliszz
03-31-2016, 01:06 PM
More details if possible.

If someone knows a current setup of a player that is good. As far as I know and see from sponsored players, they recieve their equipment without standard packaging. Most of the rubbers are custom made to fit their personal needs like: bit softer topsheet, bit harder sponge... If I'm lucky I will have the chance to get some MX-P sheets. I was also shown M1 sheets and they are distinguished by prited code on their sponge, that determines the sponsored player. I looked up my collection and some pictures from the web and no such markings can be seen on those.

I don't want to offend anyone, but cloning the pro's equipment is only good for guidance, as far as it seems an usual player will never experience the true Ma Long/Timo Boll/Liu Shiwen/Ding Ning equipment feeling. Because if they even have matchig rubber sheets I would bet my blade on it (signed by J.O. Waldner) that those rubbers are different in at least one feature (not colour). We all hear and read stories of the miracously good chinese sheets, that good sponsored players recieve.

So if you know anything more about an equipment, like desirable weight/ hardness ( I was amazed, when Timo posted an official weighing picture with only 178g) please feel free to share, thay may be speculations, but they won't be more inaccurate as the wisible plain facts of pictures.

Btw.: As Stiga is the main "sponsor" of the chinese team, some use custom blades with well known blade handles for marketing purposes. Nowdays the media is full with Fan ZD changing to Carbonado 190, maybe this will be true for me it is clearly wisible in his game and the equipment pictures also.

Sorry for the long post, but I feel that, even if I know the equipment specs of a pro, I'm still in the dark.

Tompa8888
04-11-2016, 11:22 AM
Does Vladimir really play with the Force pro black edition?

AndySmith
04-11-2016, 02:29 PM
Does Vladimir really play with the Force pro black edition?

He's currently using the CCA Unlimited.

Vrael
04-11-2016, 02:58 PM
Mizutani said today on twitter that he will change from SZLC to ZLC for Asian Olympic Qualifier.

Giangt
04-11-2016, 06:33 PM
Mizutani said today on twitter that he will change from SZLC to ZLC for Asian Olympic Qualifier.Could you please link to The post?

Vrael
04-11-2016, 08:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Mizutani__Jun first post, can't copy it, cause it is written in hiragana,katakana and kanji

Giangt
04-13-2016, 09:08 PM
Could you please link to The post?

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1521/26138146350_a7496a43b6_k.jpgCourtesy of ITTF from the recent Asian Olympic qualification

Vrael
04-13-2016, 09:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Mizutani__Jun/status/719304159116169218

Bensmithbortey
04-14-2016, 12:18 AM
I Spoke to him personally and he said he switched too. I could show ;)



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1521/26138146350_a7496a43b6_k.jpgCourtesy of ITTF from the recent Asian Olympic qualification

Tompa8888
04-14-2016, 07:12 AM
I Spoke to him personally and he said he switched too. I could show ;)

did you ask why? isen't the szlc better?

Giangt
04-14-2016, 06:10 PM
Li XiaoXia is using the new Stiga Carbonado 45 at the Asian Qualification tournament.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vFtSh2Xp3cQ/Vw_emARrMuI/AAAAAAAADmo/a8Jo3SZ0Sxc_9L1BLVrZP5vOkU6xgIIiACCo/s576-Ic42/image.png

Courtesy of ITTF

SilentRain
04-14-2016, 06:31 PM
did you ask why? isen't the szlc better?

Maybe its because SZLC is too powerful that it brings adverse effects to the short game. Sure he has the skills to play effectively close to the table with SZLC but the extra effort needed to ensure this might not be worth it.

Giangt
04-15-2016, 04:26 PM
Li Ping using Viscaria H3 BS and somekind of Tenergy on the BH

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TkSu0pnYhzU/VxEVi2qnddI/AAAAAAAADnM/h0VA92CjRHEWpFspMBfl6QD6ZRI-i7T1wCCo/s576-Ic42/image.jpeg
Courtesy of ITTF from the Asian Qualification Tournament.

qvoliszz
04-21-2016, 12:50 PM
Li Ping using Viscaria H3 BS and somekind of Tenergy on the BH

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TkSu0pnYhzU/VxEVi2qnddI/AAAAAAAADnM/h0VA92CjRHEWpFspMBfl6QD6ZRI-i7T1wCCo/s576-Ic42/image.jpeg
Courtesy of ITTF from the Asian Qualification Tournament.


Nice to see him change from FH acuda and BH baracuda... but I wonder why does not he use his signature LiPing donic blade.

joelifigo
04-22-2016, 12:23 PM
Nice to see him change from FH acuda and BH baracuda... but I wonder why does not he use his signature LiPing donic blade.

Fan Zhendong doesn't use stiga but only the handle :)
Zhang Jike doesn't use ZJK ALC, ZJK ZLC, not ZJK SZLC, but Viscaria.
All CNT players use DHS rubber for FH.

qvoliszz
04-25-2016, 08:10 AM
Yes, I mentioned it earlier that chinese like to change the handle on their blades for marketing purposes. Maybe ZJK played with his signature blade the original ZJK ALC at the olympics, but that was it. But it was only a slight modification of the Viscaria blade, but he reverted back. I wonder if that will happen, when Kenta Matsudaira gets his signature blade from butterfly which is also a modified Visacaria (more flexible and 30% faster).

Maybe Liu SW uses Tibhar Grip S on her FH.

joelifigo
04-26-2016, 08:13 AM
Yes, I mentioned it earlier that chinese like to change the handle on their blades for marketing purposes. Maybe ZJK played with his signature blade the original ZJK ALC at the olympics, but that was it. But it was only a slight modification of the Viscaria blade, but he reverted back. I wonder if that will happen, when Kenta Matsudaira gets his signature blade from butterfly which is also a modified Visacaria (more flexible and 30% faster).

Maybe Liu SW uses Tibhar Grip S on her FH.

Liu Shiwen uses DHS H3 blue sponge on her FH~

qvoliszz
04-26-2016, 12:37 PM
Liu Shiwen uses DHS H3 blue sponge on her FH~

Thank you for the correction.

Tompa8888
04-27-2016, 09:40 PM
?Does Dimitrij Ovtcharov really play with the Ovtcharov Original Senso carbon?? Or does he use the waldner senso carbon?

AndySmith
04-28-2016, 08:30 AM
?Does Dimitrij Ovtcharov really play with the Ovtcharov Original Senso carbon?? Or does he use the waldner senso carbon?

Neither.

When plastic was introduced, he switched to a clipper-like 7-ply blade with the dyed red plies. After a few months he moved to "something" different, which based on some close-up images appears to be an ALC blade with the Ovtcharov Original handle and some wooden edge banding around the handle. Because it's definitely ALC (woven, blue colour) and not simple carbon, it can't be the Original or the WSC. People have speculated that it's a Butterfly blade (TBS, Boll ALC, etc), but it could reasonably be a Baum Spirit or a custom Donic blade. In fact, Donic have a new blade coming out in the next few months called the Ovtcharov True Carbon:

http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.item.view&TreeNodeID=34037

And you never know - it could be this one. Or not.

el gato
04-28-2016, 11:27 AM
Do you know any pro player that use xiom blade ?

Tompa8888
04-28-2016, 11:34 AM
Neither.

When plastic was introduced, he switched to a clipper-like 7-ply blade with the dyed red plies. After a few months he moved to "something" different, which based on some close-up images appears to be an ALC blade with the Ovtcharov Original handle and some wooden edge banding around the handle. Because it's definitely ALC (woven, blue colour) and not simple carbon, it can't be the Original or the WSC. People have speculated that it's a Butterfly blade (TBS, Boll ALC, etc), but it could reasonably be a Baum Spirit or a custom Donic blade. In fact, Donic have a new blade coming out in the next few months called the Ovtcharov True Carbon:

http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.item.view&TreeNodeID=34037

And you never know - it could be this one. Or not.


Thanks!!! I learned something new!!

laistrogian
04-28-2016, 04:04 PM
Yes, I mentioned it earlier that chinese like to change the handle on their blades for marketing purposes. Maybe ZJK played with his signature blade the original ZJK ALC at the olympics, but that was it. But it was only a slight modification of the Viscaria blade, but he reverted back. I wonder if that will happen, when Kenta Matsudaira gets his signature blade from butterfly which is also a modified Visacaria (more flexible and 30% faster).

Maybe Liu SW uses Tibhar Grip S on her FH.

I don't think kenta would use a different composition for his own blade. It might be special in a way that some of the layers are thicker and it's heavier but I don't see a point of japanese company creating a signature blade for japanese player when the japanese player don't use the same blade

Kevin Geraldy
04-29-2016, 08:57 AM
Chuang with a heavily sweated TB alc or tb zlf at Asian cup
9885

kukamonga
04-29-2016, 04:41 PM
watched a bit of li xiaoxia vs feng tianwei.
feng was using innerforce zlc.
she was using zjk szlc before, before that maybe viscaria.
she changes quite a lot!!!

joelifigo
04-29-2016, 05:36 PM
Feng Tianwei has been using ZJK ALC with prints of dragon for a long time. Then she changed to ZJK SZLC for a while. And now Innerforce Layer ZLC.


watched a bit of li xiaoxia vs feng tianwei.
feng was using innerforce zlc.
she was using zjk szlc before, before that maybe viscaria.
she changes quite a lot!!!

Giangt
04-29-2016, 10:54 PM
Chuang with a heavily sweated TB alc or tb zlf at Asian cup
9885
It is Tamca he is using with green handle.

Kevin Geraldy
05-01-2016, 08:17 AM
It is Tamca he is using with green handle.
No wonder he missed a lot

qvoliszz
05-04-2016, 02:12 PM
Neither.

When plastic was introduced, he switched to a clipper-like 7-ply blade with the dyed red plies. After a few months he moved to "something" different, which based on some close-up images appears to be an ALC blade with the Ovtcharov Original handle and some wooden edge banding around the handle. Because it's definitely ALC (woven, blue colour) and not simple carbon, it can't be the Original or the WSC. People have speculated that it's a Butterfly blade (TBS, Boll ALC, etc), but it could reasonably be a Baum Spirit or a custom Donic blade. In fact, Donic have a new blade coming out in the next few months called the Ovtcharov True Carbon:

http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.item.view&TreeNodeID=34037

And you never know - it could be this one. Or not.


If you try to guess the whole story it is plausable that he changed his blade along with the rubbers he used to butterfly. First the BH to T05, then the FH too. Then the blade to something. It would be logical to use a Butterfly blade that is/was developed to that rubber.

qvoliszz
05-04-2016, 02:35 PM
If you try to guess the whole story it is plausable that he changed his blade along with the rubbers he used to butterfly. First the BH to T05, then the FH too. Then the blade to something. It would be logical to use a Butterfly blade that is/was developed to that rubber.


After some research on the blades in the Donic shop and after reading the introducion of the blades I came to an another solution. If I remember correctly in 2014 the 25 year anniversery World Champion blade series came out (Appelgren, Waldner and Persson respectively). These blades are made in Germany, some speculate/claim that they are made by Soulspin. I tend to believe that. So after the introduction of the series shortly came the Ovtcharov Feat 5 ply pure wood blade from Soulspin factory. But there was no carbon Ovtcharov blade introduced, only the "legends" have their signature blades with carbon. So now I see this blade (Ovtcharov Powercarbon) as a gap filler in the new Soulspin series.

So for me the introduction of this blade was necessary in two ways.

Firstly: the manners! Donic has some (older) legends among their ranks so they can make blades with their names. But there is Dima as a future legend, so it would look bad if the company did not produce an Ovtcharow blade with the same technology.

Secondly: the missing product line. So they made a blade, but that was a nice ALL+/OFF- allwood blade. That blade does not represent what a modern OFF blade is today, so they made one with his name. With this poly ball story, the customer/fan is lured in for a purchase.

(I did not mention the Crest series, because they are 9 ply blades and they represent a different product line from Donic (Soulspin)).

- I love soulspin blades I have a Waldner too, the master signed it himself.

AndySmith
05-04-2016, 02:58 PM
If you try to guess the whole story it is plausable that he changed his blade along with the rubbers he used to butterfly. First the BH to T05, then the FH too. Then the blade to something. It would be logical to use a Butterfly blade that is/was developed to that rubber.

I thought he had been using Tenergy for a loooong time, prior to the introduction of plastic.

It's very possible that he's using a butterfly blade with donic handles, but there isn't conclusive evidence IMO.

qvoliszz
05-05-2016, 07:15 AM
I thought he had been using Tenergy for a loooong time, prior to the introduction of plastic.

It's very possible that he's using a butterfly blade with donic handles, but there isn't conclusive evidence IMO.


As far as I know, the T05 on backhand was clearly visible during the 2012 London Olympics, then the FH T05 was at some Wotld tour event more than a year ago, when he had some stomach problems. After his recovery I noticed, that his FH drives and loops become very unreliable, most of them went to the net or over the table. Nowdays it is good as old, but with more spin and his shortgame developed aswell.

Yes the specification of blade type is just speculation.

qvoliszz
05-05-2016, 07:28 AM
I thought he had been using Tenergy for a loooong time, prior to the introduction of plastic.

It's very possible that he's using a butterfly blade with donic handles, but there isn't conclusive evidence IMO.


As far as I know, the T05 on backhand was clearly visible during the 2012 London Olympics, then the FH T05 was at some Wotld tour event more than a year ago, when he had some stomach problems. After his recovery I noticed, that his FH drives and loops become very unreliable, most of them went to the net or over the table. Nowdays it is good as old, but with more spin and his shortgame developed aswell.

Yes the specification of blade type is just speculation.

TurboZ
09-01-2016, 03:10 PM
So Dima has changed his blade to innerforce of some sort in Rio.

On closer look, probably just adding extra layer to make the handle thicker.

10772

Mardosta
09-02-2016, 09:30 AM
I have been watching Dyjas Jakub matches and i like very much this player.
It seems the blade is a Donic Waldner Dicon. But in other forum people say is a Timo boll Zlf with Dicon handle.
Does anyone what he use ?

Thanks !
Hi

Jakimi sprz?tem grasz?
Dyjas: Deska Donic Waldner Legend Carbon, a ok?adziny Donic Bluefire M1.

Giangt
10-22-2016, 10:51 AM
Patrick Franziska changed back from JM ZLC to Mazunov blade again.

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Courtesy of ITTF Flickr

FloKing
10-22-2016, 02:12 PM
Vladi's not playing with Force Pro Black Edition at ETTC, neither CCA Unlimited.
The blade looks like CCA blades though, with some pink/purple on the handle. Maybe the new Samsonov blade we were talking about on the forum?

septyan toni
10-22-2016, 03:48 PM
guys,,why zhang jike don't use his branded blade???but he use viscaria blade..

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qvoliszz
10-25-2016, 09:25 AM
Vladi's not playing with Force Pro Black Edition at ETTC, neither CCA Unlimited.
The blade looks like CCA blades though, with some pink/purple on the handle. Maybe the new Samsonov blade we were talking about on the forum?


I was at racket control on ETTC2016

Samsonow: Fh: MXP, Bh: MXS, blade: n/a
Ovtcharow: Fh,Bh: T05, Blade: O. senso carbon
Drinkhall: Fh,Bh: MXP, Blade: signature blade (viscaria replica)
Dyjas Jakub: Fh,Bh: M1, Blade: Waldner senso V1

Yecats Encerwal
10-25-2016, 09:58 AM
guys,,why zhang jike don't use his branded blade???but he use viscaria blade..

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He has used the Viscaria for as long as I can remember and so he is confident with it. To him it probably feels like home when he is holding it and nothing else can compare. Sure, he has his own branded blade too, but it uses different technology to the Viscaria (Super ZLC Carbon) and is a different weight too. Why would he change to it? It is there for the fans really, although I have seen some pro's using it too :) To put it simply, he is so used to using the Viscaria that changing would probably be a disaster in the short term. Table Tennis is a sport with the smallest margins for error and so changing blade would mean all of his automatic shots/reflexes would be thrown off.

qvoliszz
10-25-2016, 10:03 AM
He has used the Viscaria for as long as I can remember and so he is confident with it. To him it probably feels like home when he is holding it and nothing else can compare. Sure, he has his own branded blade too, but it uses different technology to the Viscaria (Super ZLC Carbon) and is a different weight too. Why would he change to it? It is there for the fans really, although I have seen some pro's using it too :) To put it simply, he is so used to using the Viscaria that changing would probably be a disaster in the short term. Table Tennis is a sport with the smallest margins for error and so changing blade would mean all of his automatic shots/reflexes would be thrown off.

As far as I understood the question, why is ZJK not using his signature ZJK alc blade, which has the blue dragon printed on it. As far as I know it is a very slight modification of the original viscaria blade. I tried the new ZJK ALC and it feels totally different, than both blades.

road
10-25-2016, 10:22 AM
Yecats Encerwal (https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/member.php?27934-Yecats-Encerwal) 100% rightly says "Simply put, he was so used to using Viscaria, that the change is likely to be a disaster in the short term".

panany
10-25-2016, 10:30 AM
if he want really... he can change just handdle.... use viscaria with handle Zhang jike blade ... ( same fan zhendong do ... )

just he dont want ^^

my friend is very good friend from Zhang jike ... and zhang jike say : for 1 year he uses 5 blades

1 blade for multiball
1 for training
1 for match
1 for very big competition ( olympic game ,world championship )
and last is if 1 have problem or broke ...

for his rubber ( h3 blue sponge ) if training he changes all week ( around 5 days )
if open all 2 days
and if big competition he changes for all matchs

Yecats Encerwal
10-25-2016, 10:33 AM
Yecats Encerwal (https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/member.php?27934-Yecats-Encerwal)100% rightly says "Simply put, he was so used to using Viscaria, that the change is likely to be a disaster in the short term".

To add to this, unfortunately ZJK does not have much of a "long term" left at the top (maybe 4 years till 2020) and so the adjustment period required to take advantage of the "benefits" of using his own blade (benefits which may not really exist or be significant enough), wouldn't be worth his time overall.

:)

AndySmith
10-25-2016, 11:50 AM
Vladi's not playing with Force Pro Black Edition at ETTC, neither CCA Unlimited.
The blade looks like CCA blades though, with some pink/purple on the handle. Maybe the new Samsonov blade we were talking about on the forum?

The VS Unlimited has a lot of blue on the handle.

Any chance of a pic of what you've seen?

qvoliszz
10-27-2016, 11:45 AM
The VS Unlimited has a lot of blue on the handle.

Any chance of a pic of what you've seen?

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This was the blade, that Samsonov gave to the racket control, really hard to identify for sure.
Both rubbers seem to be boosted, because I use MX-P and I boost it also, notmally it looks different.
The blade handle is unknown to me, this colour setup is not present in the Tibhar catalogue. (2012-2016)
The upper layer of the wood looks koto, but Tibhar uses a darker shaded wood, Butterfly uses this kind of wood. If you inspect the edge of the blade, I might suspect a Viscaria, Timo Boll, ZJK ZLC, or a prototype. Head shape is also butterfly, but Tibhar uses the standard Butterfly head shape.

Hope someone can figure out...

Also the list of the used equipment of almost 200 ETTC 2016 participants was leaked. I will upload it to a site.

Yecats Encerwal
10-27-2016, 11:49 AM
11149111501115111152

This was the blade, that Samsonov gave to the racket control, really hard to identify for sure.
Both rubbers seem to be boosted, because I use MX-P and I boost it also, notmally it looks different.
The blade handle is unknown to me, this colour setup is not present in the Tibhar catalogue. (2012-2016)
The upper layer of the wood looks koto, but Tibhar uses a darker shaded wood, Butterfly uses this kind of wood. If you inspect the edge of the blade, I might suspect a Viscaria, Timo Boll, ZJK ALC. Head shape is also butterfly, but Tibhar uses the standard Butterfly head shape.

Hope someone can figure out...

Also the list of the used equipment of almost 200 ETTC 2016 participants was leaked. I will upload it to a site.

Is it just me or does the sponge look really thick? :)

Thank you for sharing this info it is really interesting!

Quick question, how can you tell the rubber Is boosted? And if it is illegal to boost, why was this not picked up at racket control? (I am aware that all pros boost I am just curious as to what racket control look for!)

:)

qvoliszz
10-27-2016, 12:07 PM
Hi!

Racket control is a 2 step validation process:

1. The umpre and the assistant umpre inspect the racket for visible defects and shininess. Then they send it to instrumental control. Players must hand over their racket 60-30 min before their match, or right after their match.

2. The instrumental control is carried out by an "expert". They only measure thickness and VOC (volatile organic component) contamination in the racket. If they smell something, they can do nothing, because there is no measurement available to prove that at this time.
(Such process exists, but cannot be applied without taking a sample from the right part of the racket.)

The procedure looks like this exactly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTCbpWmPzTY

I only have these info, because one of my friend is a racket controller. Once (1-2 years ago) he mentioned to a still world top 10 player, that his racket smelled funny. The player asked: "Does your nose have a licence?". The controller can do nothing, because it is only cheating if you can prove that with a validated measurement the rubber was modified.

Additional info:
Umpres and inspectors are not permitted to remove the edgetape from the racket, they have to ask the player to do so. The player can refuse.
If the rubber surface looks a bit different, the player can claim, that he uses custom made rubbers as many other players. It is known that players are given slightly modified rubbers from their sponsor factory, that suits them more.

Yecats Encerwal
10-27-2016, 12:31 PM
Hi!

Racket control is a 2 step validation process:

1. The umpre and the assistant umpre inspect the racket for visible defects and shininess. Then they send it to instrumental control. Players must hand over their racket 60-30 min before their match, or right after their match.

2. The instrumental control is carried out by an "expert". They only measure thickness and VOC (volatile organic component) contamination in the racket. If they smell something, they can do nothing, because there is no measurement available to prove that at this time.
(Such process exists, but cannot be applied without taking a sample from the right part of the racket.)

The procedure looks like this exactly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTCbpWmPzTY

I only have these info, because one of my friend is a racket controller. Once (1-2 years ago) he mentioned to a still world top 10 player, that his racket smelled funny. The player asked: "Does your nose have a licence?". The controller can do nothing, because it is only cheating if you can prove that with a validated measurement the rubber was modified.

Additional info:
Umpres and inspectors are not permitted to remove the edgetape from the racket, they have to ask the player to do so. The player can refuse.
If the rubber surface looks a bit different, the player can claim, that he uses custom made rubbers as many other players. It is known that players are given slightly modified rubbers from their sponsor factory, that suits them more.

Fantastic, thank you!

I had my racket taken away from me 30-60 mins before the matches at Tokyo 2014 and wandered what they checked for :)

Baal
10-27-2016, 12:54 PM
He has used the Viscaria for as long as I can remember and so he is confident with it. To him it probably feels like home when he is holding it and nothing else can compare. Sure, he has his own branded blade too, but it uses different technology to the Viscaria (Super ZLC Carbon) and is a different weight too. Why would he change to it? It is there for the fans really, although I have seen some pro's using it too :) To put it simply, he is so used to using the Viscaria that changing would probably be a disaster in the short term. Table Tennis is a sport with the smallest margins for error and so changing blade would mean all of his automatic shots/reflexes would be thrown off.

There is also a ZJK-ALC so he could use a blade with his name on it that is quite similar to a Viscaria and that does not use any sort of different technology at all (I have owned multiple copies of each and can attest to the similarity in how they play and the fact that they exist in exactly the same weight). I think your reason why he persists with Viscaria is the right one, he may be very particular about handle and weight (but he would have to be very picky the blades are pretty similar). But it is not because his only choice is a an sZLC version of his own blade.

Yecats Encerwal
10-27-2016, 12:57 PM
There is also a ZJK-ALC so he could use a blade with his name on it that is quite similar to a Viscaria and that does not use any sort of different technology at all (I have owned multiple copies of each and can attest to the similarity in how they play and the fact that they exist in exactly the same weight). I think your reason why he persists with Viscaria is the right one, he may be very particular about handle and weight (but he would have to be very picky the blades are pretty similar). But it is not because his only choice is a an sZLC version of his own blade.

True, I had accidentally assumed that in the original post he was asking about why ZJK doesn't use the Super ZLC.

Good point!

Baal
10-27-2016, 12:57 PM
Hi!

Racket control is a 2 step validation process:

1. The umpre and the assistant umpre inspect the racket for visible defects and shininess. Then they send it to instrumental control. Players must hand over their racket 60-30 min before their match, or right after their match.

2. The instrumental control is carried out by an "expert". They only measure thickness and VOC (volatile organic component) contamination in the racket. If they smell something, they can do nothing, because there is no measurement available to prove that at this time.
(Such process exists, but cannot be applied without taking a sample from the right part of the racket.)

The procedure looks like this exactly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTCbpWmPzTY

I only have these info, because one of my friend is a racket controller. Once (1-2 years ago) he mentioned to a still world top 10 player, that his racket smelled funny. The player asked: "Does your nose have a licence?". The controller can do nothing, because it is only cheating if you can prove that with a validated measurement the rubber was modified.

Additional info:
Umpres and inspectors are not permitted to remove the edgetape from the racket, they have to ask the player to do so. The player can refuse.
If the rubber surface looks a bit different, the player can claim, that he uses custom made rubbers as many other players. It is known that players are given slightly modified rubbers from their sponsor factory, that suits them more.

Given that new rubbers like MX-P smell like booster from the factory, it is good that they have to use an instrument. I think ITTF should eliminate this stupid booster rule anyway (except for thickness, which they can readily measure). Bear in mind that ITTF only regulates topsheets, not sponge.

Baal
10-27-2016, 01:02 PM
The picture of Vladi's blade certainly doesn't look like any Btfly ALC blade I have, but it could be that my monitor distorts color and I can't really be sure. I am interested that he uses MX-S on backhand. I can't tell what people see that makes it look boosted (I don't boost my MX-P, so don't know how it changes the appearance).

Thanks for posting the pictures of all of these. Very interesting.

Baal
10-27-2016, 01:04 PM
True, I had accidentally assumed that in the original post he was asking about why ZJK doesn't use the Super ZLC.

Good point!

With that said, for a flared ALC blade, in my mind it really is impossible to improve on the Viscaria. And ZJK has the kind of personality that seems like he is not going to be change just because his sponsor made a blade with his name on it! (Actually two ALC blades, the Blue Dragon one, which I thought personally was not very good, and the newer one, which I think is very good).

AndySmith
10-27-2016, 01:18 PM
The picture of Vladi's blade certainly doesn't look like any Btfly ALC blade I have, but it could be that my monitor distorts color and I can't really be sure. I am interested that he uses MX-S on backhand. I can't tell what people see that makes it look boosted (I don't boost my MX-P, so don't know how it changes the appearance).

Thanks for posting the pictures of all of these. Very interesting.

Many thanks from me too, and I can't wait for the full list to appear!

No idea on the blade from me either, but it's most likely some sort of new Tibhar thing - their version of the Donic Ov True Carbon or something like that. When I first saw it I actually wondered if it was a DHS blade of some kind, but it seems unlikely.

Suga D
10-27-2016, 02:37 PM
Quick question, how can you tell the rubber Is boosted? And if it is illegal to boost, why was this not picked up at racket control? (I am aware that all pros boost I am just curious as to what racket control look for!)

:)


I can't tell what people see that makes it look boosted (I don't boost my MX-P, so don't know how it changes the appearance).

Thanks for posting the pictures of all of these. Very interesting.

It also looks boosted to me.
Can you see the pimples shining through so extreme? 'Untreated' rubbers look a little differently. At least the ones i had.

This pic is a nearly brandnew Soulspin P16st after a little treatment, 'cause it wouldn't behave the way it should've. Forgot to take pics before the treatment though
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qvoliszz
10-28-2016, 08:12 AM
Hi All!

So I posted that Vladi's blade is an ALC first, but then I had to correct myself, because the composite layer in the blade is clearly not blue, but sort of yellow/orange/golden stuff. The photo is not very true to the colour. Tibhar as far as I know does not produce anything like that, yellow-ish colour represents some sort of Zylon. Also the top veener coulour and material is not typical Tibhar, more like Butterfly. So it may be a sort of Butterfly ZLC blade or a brand new Tibhar prototype just made for Vladi.

How to tell if a rubber is boosted:
1. You know how the normal rubber looks of that type. (Originally on MXP and MXS pimples are not visible, the rubber is usually not flat when glued, it has little humps, it is only flat when you glue it with a layer still wet glue then press, or boosted before.)
2. Observe the edges of the rubber and the sponge, they cannot be sharp or curling upwards or some sort of geometric distortion, like the bottom of the sponge is more wider then the rubber. (It is possible to cut a rubber this way, but you have to be a real genious or a complete amateur.)

On the other hand Jakub Dyjas used several blades. In his last match (semifinals) he clearly used a Donic blade with bright yellow handle. Yesterday I asked my friend for pictures, but he showed me something strange. He only played his last match with that yellow blade. He played the rest of his matches with a custom blade that is similar to Waldner Dicon, but there was no sign on the handle which tells the brand or type, only the traditional Donic colouring. Also there were no holes in the side of the handle, that is specific to the Dicon handle.

Feel free to explore the other player's setups, with a bit of statistics:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1l927dwwEKqZXdLX3Q1a0NTajA

Disclaimer: I do not own and I did not create the list.

Cheers!

RajaLoopah
10-28-2016, 12:12 PM
Aaaaand the list says Tenergy 05 lol

Liquid Sky
10-29-2016, 01:09 AM
...Bear in mind that ITTF only regulates topsheets, not sponge.
Which is not correct. This is a myth!

See the technical leaflet for details.
Manufacturers have to send topsheet and sponge combination to get authorization.

qvoliszz
10-29-2016, 09:41 AM
Which is not correct. This is a myth!

See the technical leaflet for details.
Manufacturers have to send topsheet and sponge combination to get authorization.

But in many cases it is possible to have a whole set of rubber coverings listed as one product, like XIOM series, which have different topsheets and sponges.

Liquid Sky
10-29-2016, 11:41 AM
The racket covering
It should be noted in particular that:
Authorisation is given to the top sheet plus the top sheet / sponge combination...

To me this sounds quite unambiguous.

FloKing
10-30-2016, 06:18 PM
Hi All!

So I posted that Vladi's blade is an ALC first, but then I had to correct myself, because the composite layer in the blade is clearly not blue, but sort of yellow/orange/golden stuff. The photo is not very true to the colour. Tibhar as far as I know does not produce anything like that, yellow-ish colour represents some sort of Zylon. Also the top veener coulour and material is not typical Tibhar, more like Butterfly. So it may be a sort of Butterfly ZLC blade or a brand new Tibhar prototype just made for Vladi.

How to tell if a rubber is boosted:
1. You know how the normal rubber looks of that type. (Originally on MXP and MXS pimples are not visible, the rubber is usually not flat when glued, it has little humps, it is only flat when you glue it with a layer still wet glue then press, or boosted before.)
2. Observe the edges of the rubber and the sponge, they cannot be sharp or curling upwards or some sort of geometric distortion, like the bottom of the sponge is more wider then the rubber. (It is possible to cut a rubber this way, but you have to be a real genious or a complete amateur.)

On the other hand Jakub Dyjas used several blades. In his last match (semifinals) he clearly used a Donic blade with bright yellow handle. Yesterday I asked my friend for pictures, but he showed me something strange. He only played his last match with that yellow blade. He played the rest of his matches with a custom blade that is similar to Waldner Dicon, but there was no sign on the handle which tells the brand or type, only the traditional Donic colouring. Also there were no holes in the side of the handle, that is specific to the Dicon handle.

Feel free to explore the other player's setups, with a bit of statistics:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1l927dwwEKqZXdLX3Q1a0NTajA

Disclaimer: I do not own and I did not create the list.

Cheers!

Thanks a lot for the list and your pics!!! :o

FloKing
10-30-2016, 06:21 PM
The picture of Vladi's blade certainly doesn't look like any Btfly ALC blade I have, but it could be that my monitor distorts color and I can't really be sure. I am interested that he uses MX-S on backhand. I can't tell what people see that makes it look boosted (I don't boost my MX-P, so don't know how it changes the appearance).

Thanks for posting the pictures of all of these. Very interesting.

Really interesting indeed, i thought he was playing with MX-P both sides.

Anshu Yadav
11-02-2016, 10:16 PM
That is what my friend did, but you always get your non-believers
For the ones who want to believe - trust me, FZD is using Viscaria-blade with Infinity handle
This is really common knowledge in Chinese forums, but in English forums, people are forever doubting
Hey are you the tony who makes M.I.T custom blades as i want a custom 1 ply kiso hinoki blade in excellent quality in both shakehand and chinese penhold. So how can i contact you in regards to the custom blades?

Baal
11-03-2016, 12:38 AM
To me this sounds quite unambiguous.

Actually it does to me also, now that you mention it.

Topspinner
05-05-2017, 02:13 PM
Are there pro players who use classic rubber( sriver, mark v , mendo etc.) on 1 or both sides?

ajtatosmano2
05-05-2017, 02:39 PM
Are there pro players who use classic rubber( sriver, mark v , mendo etc.) on 1 or both sides?

I don't know about that, but in the past Wang Hao used Sriver topsheet on Bryce sponge (on RPB side).

Yiyang Wang
06-04-2017, 02:06 PM
Zhu Yu Ling switch from intensity NCT to Carbonado 45 at this year's WTTC.

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bobpuls
06-04-2017, 05:10 PM
see here just from the beginning you can see how the boosted rubber looks like, transparent and edges are pushed out when strong boost is applied.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gMsrHgb55g&t=1s

iamme
06-04-2017, 07:20 PM
Hi All!

So I posted that Vladi's blade is an ALC first, but then I had to correct myself, because the composite layer in the blade is clearly not blue, but sort of yellow/orange/golden stuff. The photo is not very true to the colour. Tibhar as far as I know does not produce anything like that, yellow-ish colour represents some sort of Zylon. Also the top veener coulour and material is not typical Tibhar, more like Butterfly. So it may be a sort of Butterfly ZLC blade or a brand new Tibhar prototype just made for Vladi.

How to tell if a rubber is boosted:
1. You know how the normal rubber looks of that type. (Originally on MXP and MXS pimples are not visible, the rubber is usually not flat when glued, it has little humps, it is only flat when you glue it with a layer still wet glue then press, or boosted before.)
2. Observe the edges of the rubber and the sponge, they cannot be sharp or curling upwards or some sort of geometric distortion, like the bottom of the sponge is more wider then the rubber. (It is possible to cut a rubber this way, but you have to be a real genious or a complete amateur.)

On the other hand Jakub Dyjas used several blades. In his last match (semifinals) he clearly used a Donic blade with bright yellow handle. Yesterday I asked my friend for pictures, but he showed me something strange. He only played his last match with that yellow blade. He played the rest of his matches with a custom blade that is similar to Waldner Dicon, but there was no sign on the handle which tells the brand or type, only the traditional Donic colouring. Also there were no holes in the side of the handle, that is specific to the Dicon handle.

Feel free to explore the other player's setups, with a bit of statistics:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1l927dwwEKqZXdLX3Q1a0NTajA

Disclaimer: I do not own and I did not create the list.

Cheers!

samsonov probably using this
https://tt-shop.de/de/neuheiten-2017/hoelzer-2017/tibhar-kinetic-speed.html

as for boosting, the pimples become visible, just like when a rubber becomes old and in the middle it's transparent.

laistrogian
06-04-2017, 07:33 PM
just like when a rubber becomes old and in the middle it's transparent.

Say that to my 3 weeks old Tenergy 05. The pimple in the middle part already starts showing white dots

phillypong
06-04-2017, 08:46 PM
When u see the pimples on those Evolution MX-P or S rubbers like this , you know they are HEAVILY boosted !
What a bunch of crap are the racket control rules , hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mlax
07-09-2017, 04:48 AM
Is there confirmation on what blade Samsonov is currently using?

Airoc
07-09-2017, 10:49 AM
Is there confirmation on what blade Samsonov is currently using?

To my knowledge nothing indicates he switched, so it should still be Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition.

FloKing
07-09-2017, 11:10 AM
To my knowledge nothing indicates he switched, so it should still be Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition.

I've seen him switch amongst FPBE, CCA Unlimited and an unknown blade. At the AO he was playing with a yellow blade looking very much like CCA Unlimited

Airoc
07-09-2017, 12:19 PM
At the AO he was playing with a yellow blade looking very much like CCA Unlimited

Possible, he tried that one before. Tibhar jumped at the opportunity and introduced the very similar VS Unlimited, only for Vladi to switch back to FPBE shortly after ...

Maybe under some conditions he prefers carbon and had only a CCA at hand, as opposed to a VS Unlimited ;)

Suga D
07-09-2017, 01:11 PM
When u see the pimples on those Evolution MX-P or S rubbers like this , you know they are HEAVILY boosted !
What a bunch of crap are the racket control rules , hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, funnily it seems to be totally ok if the factory boosts the rubber but not so ok when a player himself boosts! And also quite a difficult task to distinguish one from the other.
Hypocrisy at its best!!

Astorix
07-09-2017, 01:32 PM
When u see the pimples on those Evolution MX-P or S rubbers like this , you know they are HEAVILY boosted !
What a bunch of crap are the racket control rules , hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the problems are not the racket control rules. the problem is that the rules can not be executed because most boosters can`t be detected by current rechnical equipment. and judging by appearence is not the way it ever should be, anywhere. it needs to be meassured by technical devices.
atm it can`t. so the rules first percieved by anyone as useless because why make rules you can`t execute?
maybe for the same reason the death penalty exists, to show the people what behavior is considered as ``wrong`` and if you do not follow common morality you have to expect punishment.
most players might boosting because of the same reason cyclists are doping. maybe they have the feeling of not beeingg able to be competive if they don`t. anyway, just my considerations. i don`t wanna start a boosting right/wrong discussion here.

peace out

mlax
07-09-2017, 03:42 PM
There was def some red graphic on the handle at the Australian Open which the PFE does not have. So it's either a wrap of some sort or a different blade.

Giangt
07-09-2017, 05:37 PM
Samsonov have been testing equipment lately.

Here is what he used in Budapest. It is the new Tibhar Kinectic Speed with ZC Hybrid fibers.
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Afterwards he changed his blade in the ETTC to this. It isn't the new Cedric Nuytinck signature blade with ZC Hybrid fibers.
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Lastest in the Australian Open it seems like he switched back to CCA Unlimited with the grey and yellow colors on the handle.

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Pictures are courtesy of mytischtennis.de, Flickr and contra.de

mlax
07-10-2017, 04:37 AM
Samsonov have been testing equipment lately.

Here is what he used in Budapest. It is the new Tibhar Kinectic Speed with ZC Hybrid fibers.



Afterwards he changed his blade in the ETTC to this. It isn't the new Cedric Nuytinck signature blade with ZC Hybrid fibers.



Lastest in the Australian Open it seems like he switched back to CCA Unlimited with the grey and yellow colors on the handle.



Pictures are courtesy of mytischtennis.de, Flickr and contra.de


wow! Great post man. Thank you!

bobpuls
07-10-2017, 06:25 AM
Actually it can be a absolutely new blade.
I meat one pro which is getting new blade named after him and he showed me his blade where he has different handles (from other models ) on different woods ....and he tells me the handle design will be the last one to be finished after he chose the best composition of blade which fits him the best ... So maybe this is also the same case for Samsonov.

mlax
07-10-2017, 06:44 AM
I mean the CCA Unlimited is the same construction as the VS Unlimited, right?

FloKing
07-10-2017, 10:41 AM
I could see a few times (on my screen) the bottom of the handle and it is very likely to be CCA Unlimited (I'm playing with it :o)

Airoc
07-10-2017, 12:42 PM
I mean the CCA Unlimited is the same construction as the VS Unlimited, right?

Officially there are minor differences ...

RajaLoopah
07-13-2017, 03:14 PM
During matches, Vladi seems to be twiddling his racket to use MX-P or MX-S in his forehand. I also had a little chat with Sanil Shetty, a Tibhar Sponsored player from India and he said that he is using MX-P on his forehand and MX-S on the bh

Giangt
07-14-2017, 10:59 PM
Pictures of some of the pro players equipment from the WTTC 2017.

https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1555/wm-2017---die-schl-ger-der-stars (https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1555/wm-2017---die-schl-ger-der-stars)

courtesy of @Fabig from mytischtennis.de

Airoc
07-15-2017, 08:12 AM
Pictures of some of the pro players equipment from the WTTC 2017.

https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1555/wm-2017---die-schl-ger-der-stars (https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1555/wm-2017---die-schl-ger-der-stars)

courtesy of @Fabig from mytischtennis.de

It´s pretty boring though. Hurricane, tenergy and not much else. As you would expect ...

Fabian
07-15-2017, 10:46 AM
Ma longs backhand is so heavily boosted :D

Suga D
07-15-2017, 01:25 PM
Pictures of some of the pro players equipment from the WTTC 2017.

https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1555/wm-2017---die-schl-ger-der-stars (https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1555/wm-2017---die-schl-ger-der-stars)

courtesy of @Fabig from mytischtennis.de

Quite interesting that Zhu Yuling uses Rozena on her BH.
Also nice to see Kasumi Ishikawa use H3neo.
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Jirrex
07-15-2017, 01:51 PM
Since I'm pretty new to table tennis, I was wondering if Tenergy (05) has a 'predecessor' when it comes to a widely used rubber by professionals.

yoass
07-15-2017, 02:33 PM
Since I'm pretty new to table tennis, I was wondering if Tenergy (05) has a 'predecessor' when it comes to a widely used rubber by professionals.

Back in the day Sriver was used overwhelmingly by attackers. Choppers used Tackiness C, Varispin. And Grass.

Ilia Minkin
07-15-2017, 10:43 PM
Why do Chinese women play with orange sponge H3?

Andy44
10-13-2017, 07:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuAYbAiGhDQ

panany
10-13-2017, 08:47 PM
Why do Chinese women play with orange sponge H3?


because they dont play far of table ... :)

Ilia Minkin
10-13-2017, 09:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuAYbAiGhDQ

OMG, why did EmRatThick took a somebody else's video and slapped his logo on it?

bobpuls
10-14-2017, 04:38 AM
OMG, why did EmRatThick took a somebody else's video and slapped his logo on it?
did emra take any video of table tennis ?
He always use someones videos and add some to it ....
why you are surprised ?

Ilia Minkin
10-14-2017, 02:15 PM
did emra take any video of table tennis ?
He always use someones videos and add some to it ....
why you are surprised ?

He used to edit them or add some stuff. But here he blatantly took a professionally created video and slapped his logo without doing anything.

Zlodei-2
10-27-2017, 04:01 PM
Aleksander Shibaev plays Stiga Clipper

RidTheKid
10-27-2017, 08:48 PM
I think this is incorrect, he used a Butterfly blade in the World cup against Dima.


Aleksander Shibaev plays Stiga Clipper

Zlodei-2
10-27-2017, 09:47 PM
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Zlodei-2
10-27-2017, 09:52 PM
Handle from P. Korbel only

Kenta Cipriano
10-28-2017, 03:52 AM
Seems like Gauzy is using another blade...looks like an yasaka handle (the colors,the shape not so much).

Airoc
10-28-2017, 05:40 AM
Looks like the Simon Gauzy Quest to me.

Kenta Cipriano
10-28-2017, 06:28 AM
I guess you're right. The handle color is similar with yasaka galaxya.

RidTheKid
10-28-2017, 08:37 AM
You mean that he also made sure to put the Butterfly metallic logo in the handle as well instead of actually using a Butterfly blade? ;) Yes THAT "makes sense".

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Handle from P. Korbel only

America
10-28-2017, 09:13 AM
It's a custom blade with a viscaria handle.

ZJK Freak
10-28-2017, 09:29 AM
Do you have more pictures of the rackets from the world cup?

Giangt
10-28-2017, 10:52 AM
Seems like Gauzy is using another blade...looks like an yasaka handle (the colors,the shape not so much).
Simon is using Absolum with he signature handle. SG Quest doesn't have a dark red core wood.

Picture are from ittfs flickr account and the bottom one is from Tibhars commercial vid.

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Kenta Cipriano
11-01-2017, 10:04 PM
Agree . Thats the absolum blade with quest handle. Thanks

Pandaboii97
11-05-2017, 01:11 PM
Why do Chinese women play with orange sponge H3?

blue sponge requires the user to use more strength to brush the ball as compared to the orange sponge. cnt men are way stronger then the cnt women that's why the difference in the sponge they use.

Zlodei-2
11-18-2017, 08:57 PM
In latest time Alekander Shibaev plays CUSTOM VISCARIA.

Zlodei-2
11-18-2017, 09:46 PM
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RidTheKid
11-19-2017, 08:40 AM
I'm glad you've dropped the idea of Shibaev using a Stiga Clipper.


In latest time Alekander Shibaev plays CUSTOM VISCARIA.

Giangt
11-19-2017, 11:17 AM
It is clearly a Paul Drinkhall Powerspin Carbon blade with Custom Viscaria handle. Shibaev is a big fan of Paul. Info is coming from the Goon squad and they are never wrong.

PeopleAreStrange
11-19-2017, 04:37 PM
Where does the last last picture come from? Maybe BTF is working in a signature padle? :p

jawien
12-12-2017, 12:54 PM
Does anyone has any idea what Truls's Moregard equipment is? Just "discovered" him during the recent WJTTC and I really love the variety of his game - blocks and combinations. Still he has tens of miles to walk, but for sure a young player to watch.

Airoc
12-12-2017, 03:58 PM
Does anyone has any idea what Truls's Moregard equipment is? Just "discovered" him during the recent WJTTC and I really love the variety of his game - blocks and combinations. Still he has tens of miles to walk, but for sure a young player to watch.

Carbonado 290 blade and Mantra H rubbers.

On several occasions I have noticed that Stiga players are supplied with standard rubbers, straight out of the bag.
While I count first league players with Stiga contracts among my friends, I can´t guarantee this goes for the top of the range as well.

But while even lower league players get access to Select ESN rubbers from their suppliers, with Stiga this seems to be a different story.

jawien
12-12-2017, 04:19 PM
Carbonado 290 blade and Mantra H rubbers.
On several occasions I have noticed that Stiga players are supplied with standard rubbers, straight out of the bag.

Thanks! I wonder what is your experience? Does the selected ones and "straight out of the bag" rubbers differ significantly?

Airoc
12-12-2017, 07:45 PM
Thanks! I wonder what is your experience? Does the selected ones and "straight out of the bag" rubbers differ significantly?

Oh yes. But the way I see it, their greatest advantage lies in their reliability.

As you would imagine, since pros change their rubbers quite often it is important that they get consistent quality and performance.

It is crucial that the variations of a normal production process are ruled out.

For you and me, if we buy a 2.0 mm rubber and after some months buy the "same", you might find one is 1.96 and one is 2.02. It´s no drama for us. But some professionals need "the same" rubber every few days at the most, and it´d better be the same.

So for me it´s not the pre-tuning of these rubbers, it´s their quality. In fact, I´ve played with pro rackets that were significantly slower than some of my own, and there are rubbers on the market that are faster and bouncier than the selected ones.

As a sidenote, you could play high class table tennis with many of the modern tensor rubbers as they come, and many people do exactly that, so there is no real need to strive for pro material on a basic level.

jawien
12-13-2017, 12:32 PM
For you and me, if we buy a 2.0 mm rubber and after some months buy the "same", you might find one is 1.96 and one is 2.02. It´s no drama for us. But some professionals need "the same" rubber every few days at the most, and it´d better be the same.

Interesting. I was betting it's more about the quality of the rubbers or sponges or ... yeah the tuning itself. Never had any experience how it is to play fresh rubber every few days ... ; )

Ndragon
12-13-2017, 03:05 PM
Anyone know what Truls Moregard uses on BH as he switches when smashing

Airoc
12-13-2017, 03:09 PM
Anyone know what Truls Moregard uses on BH as he switches when smashing

Not as much booster? ;)

guni4you
02-13-2019, 06:49 AM
How does boosted brand new sheet of mx-p and mx-s play? Is mx-p really fast boosted?What abour control and spin?
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This was the blade, that Samsonov gave to the racket control, really hard to identify for sure.
Both rubbers seem to be boosted, because I use MX-P and I boost it also, notmally it looks different.
The blade handle is unknown to me, this colour setup is not present in the Tibhar catalogue. (2012-2016)
The upper layer of the wood looks koto, but Tibhar uses a darker shaded wood, Butterfly uses this kind of wood. If you inspect the edge of the blade, I might suspect a Viscaria, Timo Boll, ZJK ZLC, or a prototype. Head shape is also butterfly, but Tibhar uses the standard Butterfly head shape.

Hope someone can figure out...

Also the list of the used equipment of almost 200 ETTC 2016 participants was leaked. I will upload it to a site.

RidTheKid
02-13-2019, 08:29 AM
They are factory boosted, boost holds for about 3 weeks according to users and you can never get that feeling back, not even when you boost them yourself.


How does boosted brand new sheet of mx-p and mx-s play? Is mx-p really fast boosted?What abour control and spin?

guni4you
02-13-2019, 08:39 AM
why is that? why cant we get the same feeling when we reboost?
They are factory boosted, boost holds for about 3 weeks according to users and you can never get that feeling back, not even when you boost them yourself.

RidTheKid
02-13-2019, 08:43 AM
Tibhars own little company secret I guess.


why is that? why cant we get the same feeling when we reboost?

guni4you
02-13-2019, 09:19 AM
So any benefit of boosting them after a month or just leave them as is?
Tibhars own little company secret I guess.

yoass
02-13-2019, 09:50 AM
Tibhars own little company secret I guess.

That, or basic chemistry. Not all processes are reversible.

StehTischtennis
04-28-2019, 01:45 PM
Liu Shiwen using the new Butterfly Diginics 05 on her backhand.

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https://imgur.com/MB7NmHu

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ittfworld/46789464725/

Metaxa
04-29-2019, 11:37 AM
Which rubbers used M. Falck?

Tompa8888
04-29-2019, 08:31 PM
Rakza X, Rakza PO and ma lin soft carbon

Tompa8888
04-29-2019, 08:33 PM
Which rubbers used M. Falck?

Rakza X, Rakza PO and ma lin soft carbon

RidTheKid
04-29-2019, 08:51 PM
Blade is a DHS blade.

qvoliszz
05-02-2019, 06:48 PM
Hi All!

Just as last time after the European championship my friend who is a racket controller gave me the list of equipment. He had the opportunity on the first 3 days to inspect and record nearly all rackets. After that, he was replaced, his shift was over.
Please find the english list here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XX0z56Ezku4h-wioodZXmPxDh30ucjeD/view?usp=sharing

Happy data mining!

Konrad Bak
05-02-2019, 07:51 PM
Falck used classic 5ply blade
I think Its older version of korbel but okay maybe Its more like custom from yasaka
This is not dhs inner/ac blade.

RidTheKid
05-02-2019, 08:11 PM
I beg to differ: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20921-Even-Mattias-Falck-using-a-change-handle-968

You yourself claimed a while back Falck was using a W968 with Yasaka handles. It seems that's correct.

When inspection of the equipment is done, there's no way the inspector can tell if the handles have been changed but can only decide from what is seen.



Falck used classic 5ply blade
I think Its older version of korbel but okay maybe Its more like custom from yasaka
This is not dhs inner/ac blade.

Konrad Bak
05-02-2019, 11:29 PM
Lol he can change blade everyday with different handle

FruitLoop
05-03-2019, 12:13 AM
He is using some sort of ALC with Yasaka handle. I think it was previously Viscaria but now looks like an inner ALC.

Zaid323918
05-03-2019, 12:50 AM
Interesting that Wang Chuqin is using T05H

RidTheKid
05-03-2019, 08:19 AM
Nonsense. Pros don't change their trusted equipment very often.


Lol he can change blade everyday with different handle

yuri.saldon
05-03-2019, 11:57 AM
I don't think it's a dhs blade because the ALC had that blue and black fiber present in the butterfly ALC blades.

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RidTheKid
05-03-2019, 12:49 PM
Butterfly doesn't have that sloppy sandpaperjob with glue sticking out between the plies. It's identical to a W968/HL5.


I don't think it's a dhs blade because the ALC had that blue and black fiber present in the butterfly ALC blades.

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yuri.saldon
05-03-2019, 12:52 PM
Butterfly doesn't have that sloppy sandpaperjob with glue sticking out between the plies. It's identical to a W968/HL5.Do you have a close pic to matias blade in that wttc, I'm really curious to see it again.

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RidTheKid
05-03-2019, 12:54 PM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...nge-handle-968 (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20921-Even-Mattias-Falck-using-a-change-handle-968)


Do you have a close pic to matias blade in that wttc, I'm really curious to see it again.

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yuri.saldon
05-03-2019, 01:07 PM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...nge-handle-968 (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?20921-Even-Mattias-Falck-using-a-change-handle-968)From that photo clearly not butterfly alc blade, I think it is a DHS too.

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bobpuls
05-06-2019, 04:16 AM
Butterfly doesn't have that sloppy sandpaperjob with glue sticking out between the plies. It's identical to a W968/HL5.
It`s not a glue it is aramid ... and it is not easy to get rid of it , but still can be done .... ....
and for the Matias blade ....top veneer looks different .. but different angle wold be better ... i believe it is a custom blade with yasaka handles.