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WiWa
08-05-2011, 12:03 PM
Hi guys,

It appears to me that Adidas is making name in the tt rubber market. I've heard and read many positive things about their rubbers. Apparently they have a soft series (R) and a harder series (P).

I'm very interested in those rubbers and I think I want to try a P3 on my FH.

Has anyone of you used Adidas rubbers and if so, were you positive about them as well? (with what blade and playing style?)

http://www.tabletennis-sport.com/fileadmin/bilder/rubber/Performance_P3/110620_ADIDAS_TENZONE_PACK_3D_P3_.jpg

John_Pish
08-05-2011, 02:54 PM
Wow seriously? Thats crazy that a brand like them is coming into the market. this is definitely a good start for it growing more in america, maybe other brands like nike n such will join in

WiWa
08-05-2011, 02:59 PM
Yes they got a lot of knowledge about many things, and they have the money to buy and expand knowledge in tt rubbers, so I'm curious. I'm sure other brands will join in when they realize the potential number of buyers, especially in Asia.

Btw Dan did u add that picture? Haha.

YosuaYosan
08-05-2011, 04:25 PM
Heard that P3 is speed oriented and P5 is spin oriented.
Reported performance much better than Tenergy series 0_0.

I think Adidas is more well funded ? ;)

WiWa
08-05-2011, 09:08 PM
Yes I suppose Adidas is more funded haha, someone on another forum made the comparison between the revenue of Adidas and Stiga: 19.4 billion against 300.000 or 300 million, forgot what it was :P But it is big xD

Dan
08-05-2011, 10:19 PM
Yes I suppose Adidas is more funded haha, someone on another forum made the comparison between the revenue of Adidas and Stiga: 19.4 billion against 300.000 or 300 million, forgot what it was :P But it is big xD

That is interesting! Would love to know what the revenue is of places like Butterfly are...

Stiga on 300 million? i think that sounds to high... and 300.000 seems to low.

WiWa
08-05-2011, 10:56 PM
That is interesting! Would love to know what the revenue is of places like Butterfly are...

Stiga on 300 million? i think that sounds to high... and 300.000 seems to low.

Yeah I know, but it could be Stiga Sports, which is not only table tennis. And they sell evrywhere in the world, but still I have no idea. I'm trying to look some up, but it's not all that easy to find :P

Edit: Adidas Group's net income 2010 was 567 million.
Edit: Still no idea, but Adidas should have way more to spare than the common table tennis brands :P

Dan
08-06-2011, 02:11 AM
Yeah I know, but it could be Stiga Sports, which is not only table tennis. And they sell evrywhere in the world, but still I have no idea. I'm trying to look some up, but it's not all that easy to find :P

Edit: Adidas Group's net income 2010 was 567 million.
Edit: Still no idea, but Adidas should have way more to spare than the common table tennis brands :P

Hehe definitely! Adidas are huge,, lets hope they put a lot into TT..

i forgot Stiga are a lawnmower company to :)

I like these tables :P

http://www.ettu.org/public/Image/adidas_showcourt_boll-korbel.JPG
Photo: ADIDAS show-court table in Berlin (Photo Roscher)

UpSideDownCarl
08-06-2011, 02:45 AM
I'm all for Adidas making products and putting money into the sport, but my question would be, what products do they make that are REALLY (with capitol letters) good? Their sneakers are decent. I cannot think of anything else. Michelin is part of the Cornilleau company and part of making their rubbers, but the topsheet on their rubbers does not grip. Their rubbers are good for hitting the ball but not for spinning. Lets see what a company like Adidas comes up with.

WiWa
08-06-2011, 05:32 AM
I believe their football shoes and balls are used on pretty high levels. Anyway it's just what I heard, when I first heard about Adidas rubbers I was laughing as well, and maybe that is a logical first reaction. But the people that actually used them are mainly positive, so that sort of forces me to take it seriously, and I do. xD

StanX
08-06-2011, 06:24 AM
Hi

I´m playing adidas rubbers, but use the r4. This rubber is quite unique, because it has medium sponge (ca. 45°) and a realy soft topsheet.
This kombination give a realy good feeling for the ball.

All adidas rubbers are made in germany by ESN.

YosuaYosan
08-06-2011, 10:54 AM
Ha. Yeah, I also see lawnmower Stiga product lol :D

WiWa
08-06-2011, 11:09 AM
We have a Stiga lawnmower :)

azlan
08-06-2011, 08:44 PM
Adidas TT products has been on the market for a while now, but I am really curious if Nike will also jump into the bandwagon. Nike also produces golf equipment which was previously dominated by Ping, TaylorMade, Callaway and the likes. It really took off when they sponsored Tiger Woods. If Adidas can get at least one or two top world players to endorse them in TT, it really will be a real money "spinner" for them.

WiWa
08-06-2011, 10:12 PM
Adidas TT products has been on the market for a while now, but I am really curious if Nike will also jump into the bandwagon. Nike also produces golf equipment which was previously dominated by Ping, TaylorMade, Callaway and the likes. It really took off when they sponsored Tiger Woods. If Adidas can get at least one or two top world players to endorse them in TT, it really will be a real money "spinner" for them.

I know Adidas sponsors Li Jiao (Dutch, WR top-20) so they are into top players to promote themselves. I don't think she uses Adidas rubbers though, but I'm not sure.

Olecool
08-07-2011, 02:09 AM
I really want to try these out.
It it worth buying?

I could be fun to use an Adidas rubber.:D

tilden02
08-07-2011, 02:26 AM
I'm all for Adidas making products and putting money into the sport, but my question would be, what products do they make that are REALLY (with capitol letters) good? Their sneakers are decent. I cannot think of anything else. Michelin is part of the Cornilleau company and part of making their rubbers, but the topsheet on their rubbers does not grip. Their rubbers are good for hitting the ball but not for spinning. Lets see what a company like Adidas comes up with. That's a very good point Carl. Although I think this does show our sport is headed in the right direction (Growing!!)! YEAAAA!!! Companies see bucks behind it!

Charlie
08-07-2011, 08:51 AM
be sure to write a review about these rubbers because i have allways been curious about these rubbers

YosuaYosan
08-07-2011, 09:31 AM
Hmm.. I am waiting for Rebook (RbK) lol :D

Anders
08-07-2011, 07:28 PM
I'm all for Adidas making products and putting money into the sport, but my question would be, what products do they make that are REALLY (with capitol letters) good? Their sneakers are decent. I cannot think of anything else. Michelin is part of the Cornilleau company and part of making their rubbers, but the topsheet on their rubbers does not grip. Their rubbers are good for hitting the ball but not for spinning. Lets see what a company like Adidas comes up with.

I cannot agree with you saying Cornilleau rubbers does not grip the ball. I play them myself, and I love looping them! I even played Tenergy 64 before, but I find the Cornilleau rubbers to be better. What rubbers of the Cornilleau range did you try, Carl? :)

lgreggs
08-08-2011, 08:38 PM
This is interesting. If adidas do start making quality products it could be the beginning of more money coming into the sport.

Anders
08-08-2011, 09:49 PM
This is interesting. If adidas do start making quality products it could be the beginning of more money coming into the sport.

Hope so! The sport needs it :)

WiWa
08-08-2011, 10:06 PM
Agree with all of u. However I can't give u a review myself soon (might have raised some false hope:P) because I will only be back in tt by the end of 2011 I think. But when I do get back I'd like to try them out since I haven't found a rubber that I really feel good about on my FH yet. So I made the thread more out of curiosity.

UpSideDownCarl
08-09-2011, 04:28 AM
I cannot agree with you saying Cornilleau rubbers does not grip the ball. I play them myself, and I love looping them! I even played Tenergy 64 before, but I find the Cornilleau rubbers to be better. What rubbers of the Cornilleau range did you try, Carl? :)

I used Cornilleau Pilot Power and Cornilleau Pilot Advance. The Advance is better than the Power but they both felt a little too bouncy for short game for me and hit looping was fine, hitting was fine, but heavy spin on a loop against underspin was not good. I could do it, but the topsheet did not grip the ball anywhere near enough, at least not for my liking. :) I had every reason to want to like them. And I love my Cornilleau Hinotec All+ blade. But the topsheet on those rubbers did not feel like it gripped enough to me.

UpSideDownCarl
08-09-2011, 04:33 AM
And I agree with those of you who are talking about how, getting the bigger sporting goods companies involved in making Table Tennis products is a good sign for the sport.

UpSideDownCarl
08-10-2011, 10:26 AM
Sorry, another analogy. I teach Yoga. Nike started making yoga mats a while ago. The yoga mats they make are slick. They look better and look more high tech than any other yoga mats. Their production came out with a finished product that is adequate, but it ooks better than all the other products. However, there are many yoga mats from small companies that do not necessarily look as good, or as cool, but that do the job they are supposed to much better. Interesting. And Nike has tons of money to pour into research and development. They only got the looks to be top notch, not the performance of their product.

But again, if Nike and Addidas and Rebock started making Table Tennis products it would only mean good things for the sport.

WiWa
08-10-2011, 10:46 AM
Sorry, another analogy. I teach Yoga. Nike started making yoga mats a while ago. The yoga mats they make are slick. They look better and look more high tech than any other yoga mats. Their production came out with a finished product that is adequate, but it ooks better than all the other products. However, there are many yoga mats from small companies that do not necessarily look as good, or as cool, but that do the job they are supposed to much better. Interesting. And Nike has tons of money to pour into research and development. They only got the looks to be top notch, not the performance of their product.

But again, if Nike and Addidas and Rebock started making Table Tennis products it would only mean good things for the sport.

I don't know how you can make cooler-looking table tennis rubbers :P

UpSideDownCarl
08-10-2011, 01:22 PM
I don't know how you can make cooler-looking table tennis rubbers :P

This is true. I am just saying that, I hope if they are making table tennis products, they are focusing on making them high quality, rather than just making money off of us. It would be nice for some companies out there to raise the bar on quality, without raising the prices. I am not sure how much better you can get than Tenergy, but if there was something comparable, that cost what Sriver costs, or Hurricane, that would be nice.

WiWa
08-10-2011, 02:12 PM
This is true. I am just saying that, I hope if they are making table tennis products, they are focusing on making them high quality, rather than just making money off of us. It would be nice for some companies out there to raise the bar on quality, without raising the prices. I am not sure how much better you can get than Tenergy, but if there was something comparable, that cost what Sriver costs, or Hurricane, that would be nice.

100% agreed :)

YosuaYosan
08-10-2011, 02:37 PM
Remembering Butterfly's company suffer some loss from the nuclear reactor incident, I think its just normal for them to increase their price a bit.. For a while..

Anders
08-10-2011, 05:09 PM
I used Cornilleau Pilot Power and Cornilleau Pilot Advance. The Advance is better than the Power but they both felt a little too bouncy for short game for me and hit looping was fine, hitting was fine, but heavy spin on a loop against underspin was not good. I could do it, but the topsheet did not grip the ball anywhere near enough, at least not for my liking. :) I had every reason to want to like them. And I love my Cornilleau Hinotec All+ blade. But the topsheet on those rubbers did not feel like it gripped enough to me.

I get your point Carl ;) The Pilot Advance is surely a rubber you have to adapt to in a different way, and it takes a couple of days. But when you are more used to them, I think its just as good as the Tenergy 64. Just have in mind, that if you want the Tenergy64 2.1 mm effect with the Pilot rubbers, you need to get the rubbers in 2.2 mm :)

No matter what equipment you chose to play, as long as you are happy with your game, my friend.

Sorry for my bad english, hope you guys understand :)

UpSideDownCarl
08-11-2011, 05:01 AM
Remembering Butterfly's company suffer some loss from the nuclear reactor incident, I think its just normal for them to increase their price a bit.. For a while..

Didn't their price on Tenergy go up before the Nuclear disaster?

YosuaYosan
08-11-2011, 09:49 AM
I don't actually remember Sir Carl, but if Butterfly products is always that (the price), then I am mistaken.
Thank you for the info sir :)

WiWa
08-11-2011, 10:22 AM
I don't think the nucleair disaster was the reason for the new price. In any case it was gonna lower the sales, so it wouldn't really make up for any loss.

Charlie
08-12-2011, 09:59 PM
i think they just raised the price because they have superier products to everyone else and know people will pay to get more tenergy

comeglan
08-13-2011, 06:35 AM
Hey Guys,
We're getting a small shipment of Adidas Rubbers because, according to the users, its better than tenergy!

Adidas P5 is a bit slower but spinnier than Tenergy 05
Adidas P3 is faster than Tenergy 05, comparable to Tenergy 64
Adidas Tenzone spin/control is equal to Tenergy 05 and the springy'ness/speed makes it a bit faster than 05 as well.
The 'SF' in tenzone is equivalent to Butterfly's 'FX'


This is just our test batch for reviews, meaning we wont be carrying too much stock(especially blades). So if you want one, act now.

First time purchasers with us will receive 5% off.

To view the Adidas stuff, go to here:

http://www.mtagsports.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=MTAG&Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=preorders

azlan
08-13-2011, 04:32 PM
Guys, you can go to the following website and download the full catalogue of adidas TT

http://www.tabletennis-sport.com/

OR, those in India can go to http://www.indiatabletennis.com/index.php?route=product/shoppica&path=36&man_id=11

YosuaYosan
08-13-2011, 04:56 PM
That sure is one fancy catalog !

The cons --> They do not or HAVE NOT support pimpled rubber or defensive blades at the moment..
It seems that they want good money out of TT lol

Anyway its still good for the sport that a big company take a chance in TT
They won't be dissapointed :)

YosuaYosan
08-13-2011, 05:03 PM
I cannot agree with you saying Cornilleau rubbers does not grip the ball. I play them myself, and I love looping them! I even played Tenergy 64 before, but I find the Cornilleau rubbers to be better. What rubbers of the Cornilleau range did you try, Carl? :)

Well now that depends on the stroke you are using.
Euro loops tend to hit the ball more because of the forearm play. Topsheets which are spinny MECHANICALLY (only when the sponge is activated) will be perfect for euro looping.
In the other hand, chinese loops use more power and more brush on the ball. This explains why chinese rubbers are so tacky.

However there are some euro loops which has more 'grazing' characteristics compared to hitting, the same goes to chinese loops.
Everyone's looping style is just different, therefore how they see a rubber is different too.

If all rubbers doesn't seem to be forgiving, one's technique could be the problem.
Hope that helps, if you sense any mistake, feel free to tell me :D

Steve23
08-13-2011, 05:03 PM
Definately interested in trying these rubbers

UpSideDownCarl
08-14-2011, 04:52 AM
I found this video, where Brian Pace is talking about Cornilleau rubbers and, although he says a lot of silly things, he also says he tried to get used to the Cornilleau rubbers for 5-6 months and did not like that the topsheet did not grip the ball. Several other people told me they had the same experience with these rubbers. But, if they work for some people I am happy. I liked them before I did a lot of work on looping underspin. I used to use Tenergy on both sides and that is the last time I tried the Cornilleau rubbers when I realized they were not great for me for looping underspin and that they were a little too bouncy for my game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_5020PquNU&feature=uploademail

As far as the Addidas rubbers, I will be happy to hear reviews that say it is a good rubber. I will be happy to try them.

yogi_bear
01-13-2012, 04:12 AM
reviews for Adidas P3, P7(not released yet), Tenzone and Tenzone SF, R4 & R6 rubbers were just posted by me

WiWa
01-13-2012, 08:30 AM
reviews for Adidas P3, P7(not released yet), Tenzone and Tenzone SF, R4 & R6 rubbers were just posted by me

Just read them, great work! Thanks man! And welcome to the forum ;)

RIPPER
01-14-2012, 12:26 PM
Hehe definitely! Adidas are huge,, lets hope they put a lot into TT..

i forgot Stiga are a lawnmower company to :)

I like these tables :P

http://www.ettu.org/public/Image/adidas_showcourt_boll-korbel.JPG
Photo: ADIDAS show-court table in Berlin (Photo Roscher)




I really do wonder why adidas have invested in the sport they would have special talks at the head office and they must have realised a gap in the market for them where they can earn some serious money, it's so good for the sport! but then it might mean that more sweat shops in africa, china are set up so adidas could be taking advantage of more helpless people.

yurybarquero
01-14-2012, 08:29 PM
This is a review I found about the P5 and in the commets it says that the P3 is faster..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tbod5dwxDA

phillypong
02-19-2012, 11:20 PM
Adidas does not make any table tennis rubbers , they buy them at the ESN factory for maybe 5€ a piece and with some marketing sell for 40 to 50€ a piece.
Hopefully not a lot of players will buy these marketing rubbers.
There is nothing to be happy about for us players , nothing new either (just a different label on the rubber). Its just ESN tensor stuff.

Ovtcharov
02-20-2012, 02:30 PM
Adidas does not make any table tennis rubbers , they buy them at the ESN factory for maybe 5€ a piece and with some marketing sell for 40 to 50€ a piece.
Hopefully not a lot of players will buy these marketing rubbers.
There is nothing to be happy about for us players , nothing new either (just a different label on the rubber). Its just ESN tensor stuff.How sure are you about this? What's your source? Do you have any proof?
No offence, but you sound like you just don't like Adidas and you made up some arguments to state your point. If what you are saying is true Adidas-rubbers indeed are a marketing scam but without any proof you really can't say such things.

Vega
02-20-2012, 05:42 PM
Sure its tru that Adidas Rubbers are produced by ESN but where's the problem? Then you shouldn't buy rubbers from Tibhar, Andro, Joola, Donic, Gewo, Nittaku and i dont know how many more either cause they all come from ESN...

Burgerrr_
12-03-2012, 09:15 PM
I have just ordered Adidas P5, for FH, and Adidas Tenzone SF for BH. Let's look how it plays

XIII
12-03-2012, 10:22 PM
If they are cheaper and better than Tenergy 05, I might try it (still think that the butterfly logo looks better).

Burgerrr_
12-04-2012, 06:37 AM
I bought adidas P5, that rubbers cost €42,90, adidas Tenzone SF €49,90. The tenzone has a very good spin.