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TableTennisDaily
04-12-2016, 11:06 AM
Asian Rio Olympic Qualification Tournament, 13th April to 17th April 2016, Hong Kong

The Asian qualification tournament for the Rio Olympics 2016 will take place this week in Hong Kong. China's top 4 have all entered in both the mens and womens singles events. Who will the Chinese team be for the upcoming Rio Olympics? There have been numerous topics and discussions on what the Chinese National Team will be. The time has come, the qualifications for the Asian Olympic Tournament begin on the 13th and conclude on the 17th April.

Live streaming below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCSdSiUAJ64

Men's Singles Seeds

Ma Long, the World #1 has entered the Qualification Tournament as the #1 seed.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/malongkuwaitopen2016.jpg
Ma Long no.1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Ma Long
02) Fan Zhendong
03) Xu Xin
04) Zhang Jike
05) Chuang Chih Yuan
06) Jun Mizutani
07) Wong Chun Ting
08) Tang Peng
09) Jung Youngsik
10) Koki Niwa
11) Lee Sangsu
12) Maharu Yoshimura
13) Ho Kwan Kit
14) Jiang Tianyi
15) Chen Chien An
16) Chiang Hung Chieh


Women's Singles Seeds

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/liushiwenkuwaitopen2016.jpg
Liu Shiwen enters as the no.1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Liu Shiwen
02) Ding Ning
03) Zhu Yuling
04) Kasumi Ishikawa
05) Li Xiaoxia
06) Ai Fukuhara
07) Mima Ito
08) Seo Hyowon
09) Cheng I Ching
10) Jeon Jihee
11) Tie Yana
12) Lee Ho Ching
13) Doo Hoi Kem
14) Chen Szu-Yu
15) Jiang Huajun
16) Ri Myong Sun

For full player entries click here (http://ittf.com/Ol_Qual/2016AS/2016_AQT_Entries.pdf) and event playing schedule here. (http://www.ittf.com/Ol_Qual/2016AS/2016_AQT_Schedule.pdf)

Live streaming!

Coming soon...

The Asian Rio Olympic Qualification Tournament will be spectacular with all the best Asian players looking to qualify for the fast approaching Rio Olympics. Who will qualify? Ma Long leads the men's singles standings followed closely by compatriots Fan Zhendong, Xu Xin and Zhang Jike. Will Jun Mizutani find form in this tournament or will young contenders such as Ho Kwan Kit cause a dent in the draw?

A fantastic event to follow, be sure to get involved on the TTD discussion.

We can use this thread as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from Asian qualifications for Rio Olympics! What are your predictions from each event.

strangeloop
04-12-2016, 11:08 AM
The Olympic qualification event for Asian TT Associations begins tomorrow(13th) at Hong Kong.

Entries: http://ittf.com/Ol_Qual/2016AS/2016_AQT_Entries.pdf

Seeding: http://www.ittf.com/Ol_Qual/2016AS/2016_AQT_Seeding.pdf

Schedule: http://www.ittf.com/Ol_Qual/2016AS/2016_AQT_Schedule.pdf

11 players each will qualify out of this for Men's and Women's.

Funnily in South Asia division, only 4 players are there in Men's and Women's events and all are from India!

strangeloop
04-12-2016, 01:41 PM
This also makes it clear why Li Ping moved out to Qatar. He's the top-seed in his group (West Asia)

TT4Life
04-12-2016, 05:39 PM
Cant wait :)

TableTennisDaily
04-12-2016, 06:13 PM
Draw for the Stage 1 has been released!

Men East Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications1.jpg

Women East Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications2.jpg

Men South East Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications3.jpg

Women South East Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications4.jpg

Men Central Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications5.jpg

Women Central Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications6.jpg

Men West Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications7.jpg

Women West Asia

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/asiaqualifications8.jpg

strangeloop
04-13-2016, 07:25 AM
ZJK plays Chen Chien An in his first round. For draws with scores, check this: http://www.ittf.com/competitions/test/matches_per_round1.asp?s_Event_Type=MS1EA&rnd=32&Competition_ID=2633

Musa
04-13-2016, 07:31 AM
Any live streaming please?

TableTennisDaily
04-13-2016, 08:14 AM
Any live streaming please?

The ITTF live streamed the women's match on their Facebook page earlier: https://www.facebook.com/ITTFWorld/?fref=ts

Doo Hoi Kem has just caused huge upset defeating world number 1 Liu Shiwen! You can watch the full length match below:

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JeffM
04-13-2016, 10:53 AM
Any replays/highlight videos?

This would be such a great event, no videos will be a shame!

TTLondon2012
04-13-2016, 11:16 AM
Livestream starts in 1Hour on the ITTF Channel


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCSdSiUAJ64

strangeloop
04-13-2016, 12:41 PM
ZJK wins in the decider against Chen Chien-An.
Upset in the making -- Ai Fukuhara down 1-3 against Lee Ho Ching of Hong Kong

Michal_Z
04-13-2016, 12:53 PM
So the live stream comming soon, .. well I could use one already.. ;)

SquareBall
04-13-2016, 01:42 PM
ZJK wins in the decider against Chen Chien-An.
Upset in the making -- Ai Fukuhara down 1-3 against Lee Ho Ching of Hong Kong
Ai Fukuhara is underperforming some time now I think

fanTT
04-13-2016, 02:33 PM
After losing does Liu Shiven still has any other options to participate in RIO?

M51
04-13-2016, 05:36 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Spq5rGy.jpg

Suga D
04-13-2016, 06:32 PM
After losing does Liu Shiven still has any other options to participate in RIO?

Yes, this is just the first elimination, where each country is allowed to let 4 players play. there is supposed to be a second elimination where only 2 players of each country are allowed to participate. Plus those who didn't make it, can be nominated depending on their WRL rank, but only if he/she has participated in the first elimination in Hongkong.
So no worries for LSW.
[Emoji3]

UpSideDownCarl
04-13-2016, 08:16 PM
The thing I am most happy about is, I will be much easier to explain when someone doesn't qualify that they simply didn't qualify. That it wasn't Liu Gouliang playing favorites. It doesn't matter who gets in. If any of the top CNT players don't make the singles event, it wasn't LGL. It was how they performed in this qualifier event.


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NextLevel
04-13-2016, 08:42 PM
The thing I am most happy about is, I will be much easier to explain when someone doesn't qualify that they simply didn't qualify. That it wasn't Liu Gouliang playing favorites. It doesn't matter who gets in. If any of the top CNT players don't make the singles event, it wasn't LGL. It was how they performed in this qualifier event.


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Not sure if this is completely true, but I know what you mean.

TTFrenzy
04-13-2016, 09:51 PM
http://ittf.com/Ol_Qual/2016AS/2016_AQT_Prospectus.pdf

Paragraph 10.4

Players who took part in Stage I of the Asian Qualification event, but failed to gain one of the5 quota places may play in Stage II of the event, with a condition that there is a maximum oftwo (2) players (per gender) from each Association. This maximum will be reduced to one (1)for the Association that has already gained one quota place in Stage I of the tournament.

So from east asia where china is, if Ma long for example earns the spot, then LGL will be forced to choose 1 player between XX ZJK and FZD. I dont see any other rule that states something different.

Regardless their result in the semifinal, I speculate ZJK and ML will be in Rio, (unless of course they lose to FZD or XX in the final) . It would be great surprise and thrill for me to see FZD earning the 1st spot, but on the other hand we wont have the chance to see ZJK and ML in an olympic final

Ilia Minkin
04-14-2016, 05:24 AM
Ding Ning has just lost to Mima Ito: https://www.facebook.com/ITTFWorld/videos/vb.170002659696412/1355501507813182/?type=2&theater

OMG LOLZ

TTFrenzy
04-14-2016, 06:06 AM
liu shiwen ding ning and now XX lost! great news who would have thought such results. congrats to chuang chih yuan for such a victory, olympics will be his last tournament. unless he loses from now on lol

strangeloop
04-14-2016, 07:25 AM
Li XX up 2-0 against Doo Hoi Kem. Up next Ma Long vs ZJK!

@TTFrenzy, yeah! Happy for CCY. Great win for Mima Ito as well. That confidence boost is much required. Suddenly the Chinese don't seem all that infallible!

TurboZ
04-14-2016, 07:56 AM
Ma Long ZJK playing live now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEA91GI8jfk

TT4Life
04-14-2016, 08:36 AM
Ml 4-2 zjk :p

TableTennisDaily
04-14-2016, 08:45 AM
Ma Long moves into the FINAL of the Asian Qualifications for Rio Olympics 2016 with a 4-2 victory over Zhang Jike!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf_KzAfWQAAU48b.jpg:large

TTHopeful
04-14-2016, 08:49 AM
Ding Ning has just lost to Mima Ito: https://www.facebook.com/ITTFWorld/videos/vb.170002659696412/1355501507813182/?type=2&theater

OMG LOLZ

CHUANG Chih Yuan also bt Xu Xin 4-2, did not expect that

TTHopeful
04-14-2016, 08:50 AM
Li XX up 2-0 against Doo Hoi Kem. Up next Ma Long vs ZJK!

@TTFrenzy, yeah! Happy for CCY. Great win for Mima Ito as well. That confidence boost is much required. Suddenly the Chinese don't seem all that infallible!

Yeah, what's going on here, China are ACTUALLY struggling :cool:

NextLevel
04-14-2016, 09:18 AM
There is nothing of value on the line. The players are all already qualified by ranking. The same thing happened with Ma Long in 2012.

5544646
04-14-2016, 10:09 AM
FZD Won ... Now its ML vs FZD :cool:

kukamonga
04-14-2016, 10:27 AM
ma lo - chan chika


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEA91GI8jfk

TableTennisDaily
04-14-2016, 04:43 PM
MA LONG qualifiers for Rio Olympics 2016 with a 4-1 victory over Fan Zhendong!

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Sali
04-14-2016, 05:10 PM
There is nothing of value on the line. The players are all already qualified by ranking. The same thing happened with Ma Long in 2012.
So why he did not play singles event 2012?

TTFrenzy
04-14-2016, 05:19 PM
There is nothing of value on the line. The players are all already qualified by ranking. The same thing happened with Ma Long in 2012.

for FZD it was important cause he would qualify if he won the final in stage 1
Now most likely LGL will chose ZJK I guess

TTFrenzy
04-14-2016, 05:21 PM
So why he did not play singles event 2012?

Because wang hao and zhang jike had better ranking in may 2011. The ranking at that time would decide who would go in olympics 2012

TT4Life
04-14-2016, 05:28 PM
Congrats to captain ma long :) its his time to win it :)

Sali
04-14-2016, 05:30 PM
Because wang hao and zhang jike had better ranking in may 2011. The ranking at that time would decide who would go in olympics 2012
Is there a rule, that ranking is taken 1 year before?

anchorschmidt
04-14-2016, 06:18 PM
Do you guys think that the Chinese players are not boosting for this tournament? There was definitely a lack of speed when I saw the finals between Ma Long and FZD.

andrew_tihi
04-14-2016, 06:22 PM
no chinese on stage 2 ???

UpSideDownCarl
04-14-2016, 06:33 PM
So why he did not play singles event 2012?

Oh my goodness!!! Do we have to go over this again.

In 2012:

1) Wang Hao qualified for the first Singles Spot.
2) Zhang Jike qualified for the second Singles Spot.

That was SELECTED, BY WORLD RANKING After the 2011 WTTC. Wang Hao was the highest ranked CNT player. ZJK was 2nd highest ranked. Ma LIN was 3rd highest ranked. And MA LONG was 4th highest ranked CNT player at the time of selection so he wasn't even in the running.

But, good news. MA LONG qualified first so you don't have to worry about it. He will definitely play in the 2016 Olympic Games. Because he earned his spot and qualified.

And Ma Long's loss to Koki Niwa in the 2012 qualifications did not have any bearing on his placement. He was the #3 CNT player to qualify so, while he didn't qualify for the Singles Event he qualified for and played in the team event.

This time he has his spot in the singles event. End of story.

UpSideDownCarl
04-14-2016, 06:34 PM
Is there a rule, that ranking is taken 1 year before?

That was the rules for 2012 Olympics. They changed it for this one because they figured out it wasn't an ideal setup.

UpSideDownCarl
04-14-2016, 06:36 PM
for FZD it was important cause he would qualify if he won the final in stage 1
Now most likely LGL will chose ZJK I guess

I believe they have to win their spots by tournament or world ranking. Not by LGL choosing.

TTFrenzy
04-14-2016, 07:19 PM
I believe they have to win their spots by tournament or world ranking. Not by LGL choosing.

Yes but in stage 2 the rules are clear. If one country gets 1 spot in stage 1 , then only one player can compete from that country in stage 2. And I dont see anywhere that the no2 of the tournament (FZD in this case) gets a second chance to qualify so they leave it to the countries to decide.

So whether it will be fzd zjk or xx even if they dont make it they are qualified through the world rankings. The 3rd player for the team event must qualify but Im not 100 % sure about this I dont remember the rules right now :p

ttmonster
04-14-2016, 07:22 PM
I heard Adam Bobrow saying that the Chinese Women are not going to participate in stage 2, is that because the coaching staff want to reserve that decision or because of any other reason ? Is there any update on whether the chinese Men will be competing in stage to ?

NextLevel
04-14-2016, 07:59 PM
I heard Adam Bobrow saying that the Chinese Women are not going to participate in stage 2, is that because the coaching staff want to reserve that decision or because of any other reason ? Is there any update on whether the chinese Men will be competing in stage to ?

Chinese men are not participating either. IMO, both events were more for the young guns (ZYL and FZD) to prove something. LXX upset the apple cart slightly and LSW is now in shock at what might be a vanishing chance for an Olympic singles medal.

ttmonster
04-14-2016, 08:01 PM
Here are the rules .. from what I understand there is no scope for the coaching staff to nominate anybody.

Either the players have to qualify by playing the Stage 2 qualifiers , if not it will go to the highest ranking athlete in the May ranking ..
http://www.teamusa.org/~/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Documents/USOC/2014-02-Rio2016-QualificationSystem-FINAL-TableTennis-EN.pdf?la=en

ttmonster
04-14-2016, 08:02 PM
But then it would mean that Fan Zhendong will automatically qualify for the second spot ? Is it not ?

Chinese men are not participating either. IMO, both events were more for the young guns (ZYL and FZD) to prove something. LXX upset the apple cart slightly and LSW is now in shock at what might be a vanishing chance for an Olympic singles medal.

TT4Life
04-14-2016, 08:16 PM
IF HE WINS STAGE 2 :p

NextLevel
04-14-2016, 08:23 PM
But then it would mean that Fan Zhendong will automatically qualify for the second spot ? Is it not ?

Only the winner of stage 1 qualifies. After that, your country has to nominate you if you don't play stage 2. So if they wanted to replace ML now, he cannot play any event at the Olympics. Having the team just play day 1 gives them full flexibility other than the winner of day 1. Had they played stage 2, then the order of qualification would limit their options.

So LXX has made sure that nothing can be done to remove her other than her becoming seriously injured. ZYL and FZD could have done the same.

JesperStef
04-14-2016, 08:28 PM
I believe that the Chinese Olympic Committee can decide that Fan doesn't go to the Olympics even if he qualifies - either through the qualification tournament or through the world rankings? The Swedish Olympic Committee actually did that (twice, I think?) to Matilda Ekholm, because they only wanted to send athletes to the Olympics who had at least a little chance of winning a medal :(

So by choosing who doesn't get to play, they can basically choose who does - because the "remaining" player(s) will qualify through their world rankings.

To be fair, I'm not at all sure about this. But none of the news/articles I've read quoting the CNT, indicates that the CNT DOESN'T deside for themselves which players will play at the Olympics. So until I see concrete evidence to the contrary, I believe that the CNT is in total control! :cool:

Mikael Berglund
04-14-2016, 09:01 PM
Ok, ML is clear and good to go!

BUT I'm not being able to decipher the rules.



Any unused quota places obtained at the Continental Qualification Tournaments will be reallocated to thenext best-placed eligible athlete of the same gender, not yet qualified, from the respective ContinentalQualification Tournament.

Any unused quota place obtained through the ITTF Olympic Singles Ranking list will be reallocated to thenext best-ranked eligible athlete of the same gender, not yet qualified, on the ITTF Olympic Singles Rankinglist of May 2016.


China will have one unused quota place because of their no-show in stage II, right? And then it is the highest ranked player on the Olympic ranking, which is FZD.

andrew_tihi
04-14-2016, 09:03 PM
Ok, ML is clear and good to go!

BUT I'm not being able to decipher the rules.



China will have one unused quota place because of their no-show in stage II, right? And then it is the highest ranked player on the Olympic ranking, which is FZD.

the ranking from what year ? till when ?

TTLondon2012
04-14-2016, 09:08 PM
Ma Long vs Zhang Jike (1/2)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGtBNsVxA_w

Mikael Berglund
04-14-2016, 09:10 PM
http://www.ittf.com/ittf_ranking/olympic_singles_ranking/

TTFrenzy
04-14-2016, 09:13 PM
Ok, ML is clear and good to go!

BUT I'm not being able to decipher the rules.



China will have one unused quota place because of their no-show in stage II, right? And then it is the highest ranked player on the Olympic ranking, which is FZD.

not necessarily. the chinese can select either zjk or xx . all of the 3 players are qualified via ranking list so its a matter of the coaches now

Mikael Berglund
04-14-2016, 09:14 PM
I'd love too see the match between XX and Chuang Chih-Yuan. They have met 7 times and XX has lost a total of 4 games(!). It is absolutely beyond belief that XX would lose. Do you think there is any foul play from the CNT? The match between ML and ZJK was a bore, I think the waist injury of ZJK was prohibiting some movement. I mean, he beat ML recently!

NextLevel
04-14-2016, 10:04 PM
I'd love too see the match between XX and Chuang Chih-Yuan. They have met 7 times and XX has lost a total of 4 games(!). It is absolutely beyond belief that XX would lose. Do you think there is any foul play from the CNT? The match between ML and ZJK was a bore, I think the waist injury of ZJK was prohibiting some movement. I mean, he beat ML recently!

Every time CCY plays, whether he wins or loses, don't you see the eye of the tiger? If not look closer. It doesn't matter how many times he loses. I am sure if he gets enough chances, FZD will go down too.

UpSideDownCarl
04-14-2016, 10:22 PM
Well, it's true, if CNT is not playing second round, then maybe LGL and CNT will choose who gets the second spot.

That kind of sucks.


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TTLondon2012
04-15-2016, 11:01 AM
Day 1: Ma Long vs Maharu Yoshimura


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTBZm3I5q8

janus
04-16-2016, 09:46 AM
[Full Matches in Short Form]

# STAGE 1 (Men's Final) [=> 1st ticket!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ-ONuQGikM

# STAGE 1 (Men's Semifinal)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L_OlmgBggk

Michal_Z
04-17-2016, 10:33 AM
Okay, so from what I understand, LGL will not choose anything.
The decision not to send anyone into the stage 2 made it clear to qualify players according to the olympic rankings..
http://www.ittf.com/ittf_ranking/olympic_singles_ranking/
So we have to wait for the olympic rankings of May, because the rules say that is the month from where they pick players according to the rankings.
LSW in april is 62 points ahead of Ding Ning. But she might lose points because of the loss to Doo Hoi Kem.
But also Ding will lose points for loss to Ito Mima.
Ito Mima will gain some points thanks to beating Ding, but I dont think she will surpass Fukuhara with 150 more points.
For men its
FZD 3256
XX 3153
ZJK 3058
From that it looks like ML vs. FZD final of the OG. With XX as the thirs player into teams, if he will not lose 100 points for losing to Chuang, which I dont think happens..

UpSideDownCarl
04-17-2016, 01:58 PM
Michael_Z, I hope you are right and that is how things fall. I hope Liu Gouliang can't submit one name at a time to qualify based on rank. Like, one name for the second spot. And then one more name for the third spot.


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ttmonster
04-17-2016, 02:48 PM
I know thats how the rules read , but I am inclined the other way reading ZJK s interview after the semi he was not very concerned. Well tabletennista might have done a job on the translation as they typically do, who knows .....

Michael_Z, I hope you are right and that is how things fall. I hope Liu Gouliang can't submit one name at a time to qualify based on rank. Like, one name for the second spot. And then one more name for the third spot.


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UpSideDownCarl
04-17-2016, 07:43 PM
I know thats how the rules read , but I am inclined the other way reading ZJK s interview after the semi he was not very concerned. Well tabletennista might have done a job on the translation as they typically do, who knows .....

Yep. I am thinking that LGL may put ZJK's name in for consideration for the second spot and whatever else he does.

Well, the important thing is, ML won his spot. So he will go. There won't be complaints about why LGL didn't choose him.

TTFrenzy
04-17-2016, 10:08 PM
Okay, so from what I understand, LGL will not choose anything.
The decision not to send anyone into the stage 2 made it clear to qualify players according to the olympic rankings..
http://www.ittf.com/ittf_ranking/olympic_singles_ranking/
So we have to wait for the olympic rankings of May, because the rules say that is the month from where they pick players according to the rankings.
LSW in april is 62 points ahead of Ding Ning. But she might lose points because of the loss to Doo Hoi Kem.
But also Ding will lose points for loss to Ito Mima.
Ito Mima will gain some points thanks to beating Ding, but I dont think she will surpass Fukuhara with 150 more points.
For men its
FZD 3256
XX 3153
ZJK 3058
From that it looks like ML vs. FZD final of the OG. With XX as the thirs player into teams, if he will not lose 100 points for losing to Chuang, which I dont think happens..

Since the chinese federation will have to nominate one player more in the top 22 world rankings I guess LGL and the coaching staff will eventually decide who will go.

From a chinese user (translated an article) in another forum I read that the CNT wanted to give LXX a farewell gift giving her one slot for Rio (probably se will retire after OG) but now ding ning lsw made the decision even easier for them

What Im trying to say is that I find it more possible if LGL gives XX or ZJK aslot for singles since FZD will have at least 3 chances in the upcoming future

enrikeitor
04-17-2016, 10:33 PM
Sorry, am I the only one who thinks that the Asian Qualification is so hard to understand?I do not know who has qualified yet.

TTFrenzy
04-17-2016, 10:43 PM
Sorry, am I the only one who thinks that the Asian Qualification is so hard to understand?I do not know who has qualified yet.

There are 2 stages. One player is qualified from each region (east asia, middle asia, south east asia etc etc) both in stage 1 and 2.

when a player wins the slot in stage 1 (like ma long did) then the country he is representing has the right to send only 1 player in stage 2. If china send FZD and he qualified through stage 2 for example then china would send ML and FZD for example

Now if a player fails to qualify through the qualifiers he can automatically qualify through the world rankings if he is in the top 22 ranking list. So china didnt sent anyone on purpose in stage 2 so they could choose which player they will send

Now for player no3 who participates in the team event, just read the rules here

http://www.teamusa.org/~/media/USA_Table_Tennis/Documents/USOC/2014-02-Rio2016-QualificationSystem-FINAL-TableTennis-EN.pdf?la=en

enrikeitor
04-17-2016, 11:02 PM
Why LGL didn´t send anyone to stage 2?

TTFrenzy
04-17-2016, 11:39 PM
Why LGL didn´t send anyone to stage 2?

Obviously he has his reasons. First of all he doesnt need to, all of his players are qualified through the ranking list since they competed in the asian trials. So maybe he didnt want to risk any injuries or more fatigue to his players? im just speculating.

Through his public statements through the past 4 months he indicated that he wanted ML and ZJK for rio but we will just have to wait and see cause nothing is official yet, only that ML is going to rio for sure

enrikeitor
04-17-2016, 11:46 PM
Ok, it's quite possible that LGL doesn´t want to risk an injury. But as far I understand he only can take 3 players to Rio. Who do you think he will leave out? (Sorry if I ask so many questions)

TTFrenzy
04-17-2016, 11:55 PM
Ok, it's quite possible that LGL doesn´t want to risk an injury. But as far I understand he only can take 3 players to Rio. Who do you think he will leave out? (Sorry if I ask so many questions)

Well since china has a specific "Tradition" on whom to send . Im guessing XX ZJK and ML with XX playing in team event.

Even if youngster chinese destroy the big names like FZD or Yan an did sometimes, they still dont send them in top events because 99 % of the time they are not ready to handle the pressure, or even if they are the coaching staff isnt willing to take any risks, besides they dont haveto

Zhang jike and ma long were starting to dominate against the previous 3 top names (wang hao ma lin wang liqin) in 2007-09 , but obviously they werent allowed to compete in top events like olympics or world team champs. Note that zhang jike was 2 times chinese national champion then, yet his first great event was in 2010 world teams and this happened because wang hao was playing so poorly during the previous year

Michal_Z
04-18-2016, 08:04 AM
Its like noone considered this:
2nd spot will be choosen by the rankings.. And that means FZD for China. From how I see that, FZD should be qualified anyways and he should be qualified into the singles event.. If they choose third option, from what I understand, it will be just for the team event.

ttmonster
04-18-2016, 05:50 PM
We considered this, if you see my post earlier, the rule says that there will be an olympic ranking published after streamlining the ITTF ranking lists for players who are not playing etc . , however it does not specific the criteria , does not explicitly say that the guy who is top ranked in that list other than the guy who has already qualified will automatically go through.

So there is a loophole where the coaching team/federation gets to choose the 2nd and the 3rd players provided they are in that list ...

How else would you explain china not playing in the 2nd stage for either men's or women's, or Zhang Jike casually saying that this was a good test of the preparations or the portugal federation offering the third spot to a certain player if he decides to not participate in the first stage.

Somehow, they have to figure out a way to stop this . I think the federation should have a flexibility of choosing one , may be the second player for singles but the team should get automatically chosen . Somehow I feel its really unfair for the third guy


Its like noone considered this:
2nd spot will be choosen by the rankings.. And that means FZD for China. From how I see that, FZD should be qualified anyways and he should be qualified into the singles event.. If they choose third option, from what I understand, it will be just for the team event.

TTFrenzy
04-18-2016, 07:03 PM
Its like noone considered this:
2nd spot will be choosen by the rankings.. And that means FZD for China. From how I see that, FZD should be qualified anyways and he should be qualified into the singles event.. If they choose third option, from what I understand, it will be just for the team event.


The national team can nominate which player they will send so its not strictly a matter of ranking since top 22 slots automatically qualify, the coached know that . After all if FZD was qualified, there would be an official announcement/article news. Everytime the chinese roster is announced tabletennista posts some interviews

sktrdie
04-25-2016, 06:03 PM
The ranking won't say much. In 2012 olympics, Ma Long was number 1 in the world, yet they sent Wang Hao and Zhang Jike.

I hope Xu Xin gets a chance since Zhang Jike already went and won in 2012.

It's sad that with this new limit, some top chinese players can't get a shot at winning the olympics.

TTFrenzy
04-25-2016, 07:57 PM
The ranking won't say much. In 2012 olympics, Ma Long was number 1 in the world, yet they sent Wang Hao and Zhang Jike.

I hope Xu Xin gets a chance since Zhang Jike already went and won in 2012.

It's sad that with this new limit, some top chinese players can't get a shot at winning the olympics.

Enough with this story already. Ma long WAS NOT no1 ranked, for selection in olympics.

Olympics in london were decided by rankings of may 2011. Wang hao and zhang jike were no 1 and no2 back then (ma long was no5 because of semifinal loss and previous injuries) , so the singles were already decided from may 2011. If LGL wanted ML to play then he should exclude one of zhang jike and wang hao out of olympics singles AND teams.

NextLevel
04-25-2016, 07:59 PM
Enough with this story already. Ma long WAS NOT no1 ranked, for selection in olympics.

Olympics in london were decided by rankings of may 2011. Wang hao and zhang jike were no 1 and no2 back then (ma long was no5 because of semifinal loss and previous injuries) , so the singles were already decided from may 2011. If LGL wanted ML to play then he should exclude one of zhang jike and wang hao out of olympics singles AND teams.

He came out of lurking to post that...

sktrdie
04-26-2016, 07:13 PM
Enough with this story already. Ma long WAS NOT no1 ranked, for selection in olympics.

Olympics in london were decided by rankings of may 2011. Wang hao and zhang jike were no 1 and no2 back then (ma long was no5 because of semifinal loss and previous injuries) , so the singles were already decided from may 2011. If LGL wanted ML to play then he should exclude one of zhang jike and wang hao out of olympics singles AND teams.

I'm not sure what you're talking about... Ma Long was number 1 in March 2012 and April 2012. (/showthread.php?2382-March-World-Rankings-2012)

I can't link yet but you can see the Ranking from the page in this actual forum.

There's no May in the forum, but simply googling "WR_02_May_2012_No_05.pdf" will get you the official rankings for May 2012. Ma Long again is ranked number 1, and not number 5 as you state.

Please cite your facts before talking randomness.

TTFrenzy
04-26-2016, 08:49 PM
I'm not sure what you're talking about... Ma Long was number 1 in March 2012 and April 2012. (/showthread.php?2382-March-World-Rankings-2012)

I can't link yet but you can see the Ranking from the page in this actual forum.

There's no May in the forum, but simply googling "WR_02_May_2012_No_05.pdf" will get you the official rankings for May 2012. Ma Long again is ranked number 1, and not number 5 as you state.

Please cite your facts before talking randomness.


oh god. here we go again.

let me clarify this for you with caps : SINGLES TICKETS IN LONDON 2012 WERE DECIDED FROM MAY RANKINGS 2011. 2011. 2011. 2011 !!! 2 0 1 1 . OK NOW ??

in may 2011 ma long was not number 1. end of story. You obviously didnt know the exact rules for london olympics and what the situation was.

one more time

tickets in london olympics were decided from rankings of may 2011.

TTFrenzy
04-26-2016, 08:52 PM
http://www.ittf.com/World_Events/2012OG/Qual_system_OG2012_EN.pdf


1st paragraph of the 2nd page

The top twenty-eight (28) eligible players on the first ITTF World Ranking published following the 2011World Championships to be held in Rotterdam (Netherlands), from 8 to 15 of May 2011 will be qualified,with a maximum of two (2) players per NOC.In case of an exact tie for the last direct qualifying position, reference will be made to the previous WorldRanking List and the better ranked player will qualify. If still tied, reference would be made to the previousWorld Ranking List and so on until the tie is broken.

UpSideDownCarl
04-26-2016, 09:33 PM
I'm not sure what you're talking about... Ma Long was number 1 in March 2012 and April 2012. (/showthread.php?2382-March-World-Rankings-2012)

I can't link yet but you can see the Ranking from the page in this actual forum.

There's no May in the forum, but simply googling "WR_02_May_2012_No_05.pdf" will get you the official rankings for May 2012. Ma Long again is ranked number 1, and not number 5 as you state.

Please cite your facts before talking randomness.

The players for the first and second slot in the London 2012 Olympics Singles event were decided by the world rankings after the April/May 2011 WTTC where ZJK won and Wang Hao came in second. But at the time WH was #1 and ZJK was #2, Ma Lin was #4 (but the #3 CNT player, Timo was #3) and Ma Long was the #5 player and the 4th from CNT.

Ma Long went to the Asia Qualifier event for the spot on the Team event in April 2012. He lost in the first round finals to Koki Niwa but got his spot in the team event when he won the 2nd round of the event.

Ma Long did not qualify for the Singles Event in the London 2012 Olympics.

However, you are correct, in May 2012 Ma Long was #1. But in that Olympic Games in 2012 the first 2 slots were decided by the world ranking after the 2011 WTTC as TTFrenzy has already explained.

The question here is, can LGL decide who to put forward for selection and qualifying for the singles slot. Or will it be entirely decided by Olympic Ranking.

If it is decided my Olympic Ranking, it should be FZD in Singles and XX joining ML and FZD for the Team Event with ZJK as an alternate or really, a bench warmer.

But if LGL can select who is put forward for consideration for the second choice and then choose again for the third spot, then it could be any combination of those three great players.

I actually am not sure if LGL can select who gets put forward for consideration of not.

But we know one thing, for the 2016 Olympic Games in Rio, Ma Long IS IN.

I am content to wait a few more weeks to find out what the rest of the lineup will be.

We will see if the International Olympic Committee opened the door for LGL to be able to choose however he wants or not.

But, whoever goes, I hope we see some upsets and some medals for countries other than China.

ttmonster
04-26-2016, 09:35 PM
The end of the post got lost Carl

UpSideDownCarl
04-26-2016, 09:46 PM
The end of the post got lost Carl

That is the mystery of posting from deep space via Abacus. Sometimes these sticks and beads are very reliable. Then, sometimes internet connection for my Abacus, from out here is a bit of a conundrum.

TTFrenzy
04-26-2016, 09:49 PM
sorry for being a such prick but some people still like to believe that ma long was a victim of chinese fixing by LGL in london olympics. This rumor is still posted everywhere, and its random opinions by dissapointed ma long fans and not facts.

I know its dissapointing/frustrating to see your favorite player not to play in olympics but our personal preferences have nothing to do with results.

TT4Life
04-26-2016, 09:58 PM
Move on! Its the past. What's done is done lolz . Now rio 2016 :)

sktrdie
04-26-2016, 11:10 PM
1st paragraph of the 2nd page

The top twenty-eight (28) eligible players on the first ITTF World Ranking published following the 2011World Championships to be held in Rotterdam (Netherlands), from 8 to 15 of May 2011 will be qualified,with a maximum of two (2) players per NOC.In case of an exact tie for the last direct qualifying position, reference will be made to the previous WorldRanking List and the better ranked player will qualify. If still tied, reference would be made to the previousWorld Ranking List and so on until the tie is broken.

Please forgive me... I thought we were talking of 2012 and not 2011.

Interesting, so for this year 2016 olympics, will the rules be the same and so we have to back and see the rankings of May 2015 (rather than 2016), or are the rules different?

If that's the case then Xu Xin has a shot because he was number 2 in May 2015. He also came in 1st for the china trials this year.

UpSideDownCarl
04-26-2016, 11:29 PM
Please forgive me... I thought we were talking of 2012 and not 2011.

Interesting, so for this year 2016 olympics, will the rules be the same and so we have to back and see the rankings of May 2015 (rather than 2016), or are the rules different?

If that's the case then Xu Xin has a shot because he was number 2 in May 2015. He also came in 1st for the china trials this year.

My suggestion is that you go back and read the thread. Money says you will find the answer multiple times over. Have fun. It is a worthwhile read.

UpSideDownCarl
04-27-2016, 12:59 AM
So, since I have time now: this Olympics, the qualification process is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the 2012 Olympics.

Somebody figured out that in the 2012 Olympics, using ratings from 16 months before the games was a flawed system. Perhaps they will figure out the flaws in the 2016 Olympic Qualification process too.

In the tournament that this thread is about, Ma Long, just recently, qualified for the first spot in the Olympic Singles event for China.

After which, Liu Gouliang promptly pulled all the rest of the CNT players out of the qualification tournament, presumably because the other three all have world rankings that will allow them to qualify for the Olympics by World Ranking in May.

But, again, the rules for how they will qualify are publicly available, easily searchable and links to the qualification process for 2016 have been posted to this thread and are easily searchable. The qualification rules for 2012 are also easily searchable.


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