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Siva Schopenhauer
08-11-2016, 03:42 PM
I got the predictions reversed. It was 4-2 and 4-1. Mac predicst 4-3 for ZJK. I hope it remains the same :)


I hope Samsonov gets the Bronze. The Tai Chi Master has lived and breathed Table Tennis for 35 years. He completely deserves one. I wish Mizutani gets that back at 2020.

Michal_Z
08-11-2016, 04:15 PM
yes, you're right, we don't blame him for his ignorance, it's rather expressing a concern about BBC, can't they really find a decent commentator? How about asking a pro player? A former pro player? It doesn't take that much of intelligence, does it? To learn from tennis, for instance, or soccer...

What do you expect??
I mean - on our TV online live stream they switched in the middle of 5th set of ZJK vs. Vladi to BOXing ..
Thats how much they actually care for table tennis..

syntaxerror
08-11-2016, 04:38 PM
Just registered to root for ZJK!!

He proved his haters wrong and now he has the opportunity to defeat Ma Long and solidify himself as the GOAT.

LGL made the right choice - FZD is still young and has 2+ more olympics in him. ZJK is more reliable in high-pressure situations than Xu Xin.

TTFrenzy
08-11-2016, 04:43 PM
What do you expect??
I mean - on our TV online live stream they switched in the middle of 5th set of ZJK vs. Vladi to BOXing ..
Thats how much they actually care for table tennis..


yeap my point exactly, TT in western culture is still very small, even when sweden was storming through, only EUROSPORT showed SOME matches. The coverage today is much much better, and step by step if more people like adam bobrow are getting involved hope we will see better commentators/coverage.

The fact that ITTF was practically forced by thousands of youtube comments to hire ttlondon2012 and ttcountenance for their videos (because they were soooo good) , shows how pathetic unorganized and without vision its members are. No creative work after all about the coverage, just exploit the existing youtubers and I highly doubt they money they take is fair for their huge effort

UpSideDownCarl
08-11-2016, 04:47 PM
I didn't understand, you meant half of his potential?

Yeah. I don't think he has played for keeps yet. But this is how I think things stack up. If ZJK is on, the only player who has a chance to win is ML and if ML is on, the only player who has a chance to win is ZJK.

And ZJK will have to play better than he has so far to take on ML and have a chance.

But, truthfully, because of all I've said about ZJK not showing what he has and ML always leaving his heart on the court, I hope Ma Long can win.


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steffi
08-11-2016, 04:48 PM
yeap my point exactly, TT in western culture is still very small, even when sweden was storming through, only EUROSPORT showed SOME matches. The coverage today is much much better, and step by step if more people like adam bobrow are getting involved hope we will see better commentators/coverage.

The fact that ITTF was practically forced by thousands of youtube comments to hire ttlondon2012 and ttcountenance for their videos (because they were soooo good) , shows how pathetic unorganized and without vision its members are. No creative work after all about the coverage, just exploit the existing youtubers and I highly doubt they money they take is fair for their huge effort

A big thanks to these guys who really make a difference.

"ttlondon2012 and ttcountenance"

UpSideDownCarl
08-11-2016, 04:51 PM
20:30 is the bronze medal match and 21:30 the final in rio time guys. just double checked it to be sure.

Brazil is 4 hours behind GMT +00 (UK TIME) for those who are watching from europe and want to conver the time

My link from the Olympics says 20:30 for Final and 19:30 for Bronze match. But perhaps they have given NY local time. Idk.

And I think that must be it. Because I just checked and Rio time is one hour off so 20:30 NY time is 21:30 Rio time.


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jedimasterplk
08-11-2016, 05:00 PM
Malong is stronger technically, on his 'A' game. BUT - and here is the thing - Zhang Jike is stronger, clearly, mentally. Even though Ma has got better mentally, there is something about ZJK that he cant cope with. Basically, Zjang does his Jedi mind tricks on Ma and ties him up on the REALLY BIG stage. So my prediction - Ma will probably be frozen out again.

ade14212
08-11-2016, 05:03 PM
zhang jike looks injured at 10-7. Hope he didn't have disc prolapse or something at knee. Keeping fingers crossed :D
Good one for tomorrow. Need to prepare mine too.

Ma Long doesn't look like himself in this Olympic. It's like he's sick. Hopefully, he can play well tomorrow. I want a great final!

syntaxerror
08-11-2016, 05:15 PM
If there's one thing you can say for certain about ZJK, is that he shows up when it matters. Ma Long needs to bring his A-game.

MaLongPower
08-11-2016, 05:21 PM
reference: http://www.tischtennis.de/aktuelles/meldung/18596

Richard Prause summs up the performace of the german team in the olympic singles competition

Prause: "We are going to tear ourselfs apart in the team competition"

Rio de Janeiro. Training and a bit of distraction were announced on day one after the quarter-final knock out of Dimitrij Ovtcharov and Han Ying in the German camp . The focus is now on the team competition, which starts on Friday. DTTB-Sports Director Richard Prause looks back again at the singles event , but is already laying the groundwork for Team tournament ". We will give everything to be successful"

We focus on the future now. Once it became clear that Germany remains without a singles medal in Rio, on Wednesday there was a mix of analysis, training, distraction and focus on the next competition with the teams.

Ovtcharov and Boll in basketball

After the bitter quarter-final knock out against Vladimir Samsonov Dimitrij Ovtcharov had already announced to relax and have a table tennis free day, while the rest of the team Timo Boll, Bastian Steger and Patrick Franziska trained in Riocentro 3 .In the evening Ovtcharov and Boll, both US sports followers and basketball fans, took the opportunity to divert a little and watch the basketball match between the US and Australia.

The DTTB ladies watched the bronze medal and the singles final between Ding Ning and Li Xiaoxia (4: 3) after thier practice. The singles competition was in the coaching staff only conditionally subject. "We summerized where we could have done better, but primarily we focus on the future," says DTTB Sports Director Richard Prause. Now it is necessary to take a breathe and to focus on the Team Event. "We need to pull ourselfs together to be successful."

The men with the quarterfinal opponent Taiwan on Saturday (15 pm local time) is a hard nut to crack in front of them, the ladies play on Friday at 15 o'clock local time against the underdogs USA. On Thursday afternoon the team of national coach Jie Schöpp gets the opportunity to train in the main hall, the men complete their session in the afternoon.

DTTB-Sports Director Richard Prause about the singles competiton and the performance of the DTTB Starters:

"Our goal was a medal in the singles competition and so we are disappointed accordingly, that it did not work out. We will shake us twice now and we want to return to fight in the Team Event for every little bit of luck that was missing in the singles. The focus is now on the team, and we will pull ourselfs together, to be successful. "

Dimitrij Ovtcharov:
"Dimitrij made it to the quarterfinals because of his fighting spirit. I remember the match against Li Ping, which was touch and go whatever. There were phases were he played well here, but still lots oft ups and downs. Against Vladimir Samsonov, he did not take the opportunities at the key moments, as for example in London were he succeeded against Michael Maze or Chuang Chih-yuan. He got punished for this. "

Timo Boll:
"We would have liked to see Timo in the quarterfinals against Ma Long, even if this game would have been a difficult task. Against an unorthodox playing Aruna it took until the fourth set until Timo had figured out his tactics . He lost the first two sets with 10:12. The game might have gone differently if he had won one of these first sets. So he was 0:3 down, has indeed again fought back, but it simply took too long to find a rythem against a very good playing Aruna ".

Han Ying:
"Han Ying played a good tournament , unfortunately she was in the draw one of the two Chinese women in the quarterfinals. Otherwise it was a really good performance. Against the Olympic and world champion Ding Ning she tried everything, but the Chinese women are reallyhard to beat with defense, and Ding Ning improved because of the expirience of the last two duels with Ying. "

Petrissa Solja
"Peti had really hard draw with the North Korean defender Ri Myong Sun. The two North Koreans are among the world's top defenders, as evidenced by the third place of Kim. Peti has undoubtedly improved her play against Defence, but it wasn t enough. She will continue to work on that. "

Michal_Z
08-11-2016, 05:24 PM
Malong is stronger technically, on his 'A' game. BUT - and here is the thing - Zhang Jike is stronger, clearly, mentally. Even though Ma has got better mentally, there is something about ZJK that he cant cope with. Basically, Zjang does his Jedi mind tricks on Ma and ties him up on the REALLY BIG stage. So my prediction - Ma will probably be frozen out again.

I am afraid that this will happen, but I am hoping for clash of the titans!
I am hoping for a thrilling amazing beautiful final, that will keep us on edge od our seets, breathtaking magic showdown!
I hope to stay staring at the screen, claping alone in the room at 3 AM like a fool :)

UpSideDownCarl
08-11-2016, 05:31 PM
The real question is: Is Ma Long's short game good enough now to handle ZJK's over the table magic.


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MaLongPower
08-11-2016, 05:32 PM
My faltmates are gooing to be mad at me when I go super ****ing crazy when Ma Long wins the compition at 2-3 am :D
I warned them but I still feel sorry.
I leave no doubt in my mind that Ma Long is gooing to win.
So I will be sitting in front of my Computer in full Genkidama mode and send Ma Long every tiny little bit of positiv energy possible!!!

TTFrenzy
08-11-2016, 05:33 PM
reference: http://www.tischtennis.de/aktuelles/meldung/18596

Richard Prause summs up the performace of the german team in the olympic singles competition

Prause: "We are going to tear ourselfs apart in the team competition"

Rio de Janeiro. Training and a bit of distraction were announced on day one after the quarter-final knock out of Dimitrij Ovtcharov and Han Ying in the German camp . The focus is now on the team competition, which starts on Friday. DTTB-Sports Director Richard Prause looks back again at the singles event , but is already laying the groundwork for Team tournament ". We will give everything to be successful"

We focus on the future now. Once it became clear that Germany remains without a singles medal in Rio, on Wednesday there was a mix of analysis, training, distraction and focus on the next competition with the teams.

Ovtcharov and Boll in basketball

After the bitter quarter-final knock out against Vladimir Samsonov Dimitrij Ovtcharov had already announced to relax and have a table tennis free day, while the rest of the team Timo Boll, Bastian Steger and Patrick Franziska trained in Riocentro 3 .In the evening Ovtcharov and Boll, both US sports followers and basketball fans, took the opportunity to divert a little and watch the basketball match between the US and Australia.

The DTTB ladies watched the bronze medal and the singles final between Ding Ning and Li Xiaoxia (4: 3) after thier practice. The singles competition was in the coaching staff only conditionally subject. "We summerized where we could have done better, but primarily we focus on the future," says DTTB Sports Director Richard Prause. Now it is necessary to take a breathe and to focus on the Team Event. "We need to pull ourselfs together to be successful."

The men with the quarterfinal opponent Taiwan on Saturday (15 pm local time) is a hard nut to crack in front of them, the ladies play on Friday at 15 o'clock local time against the underdogs USA. On Thursday afternoon the team of national coach Jie Schöpp gets the opportunity to train in the main hall, the men complete their session in the afternoon.

DTTB-Sports Director Richard Prause about the singles competiton and the performance of the DTTB Starters:

"Our goal was a medal in the singles competition and so we are disappointed accordingly, that it did not work out. We will shake us twice now and we want to return to fight in the Team Event for every little bit of luck that was missing in the singles. The focus is now on the team, and we will pull ourselfs together, to be successful. "

Dimitrij Ovtcharov:
"Dimitrij made it to the quarterfinals because of his fighting spirit. I remember the match against Li Ping, which was touch and go whatever. There were phases were he played well here, but still lots oft ups and downs. Against Vladimir Samsonov, he did not take the opportunities at the key moments, as for example in London were he succeeded against Michael Maze or Chuang Chih-yuan. He got punished for this. "

Timo Boll:
"We would have liked to see Timo in the quarterfinals against Ma Long, even if this game would have been a difficult task. Against an unorthodox playing Aruna it took until the fourth set until Timo had figured out his tactics . He lost the first two sets with 10:12. The game might have gone differently if he had won one of these first sets. So he was 0:3 down, has indeed again fought back, but it simply took too long to find a rythem against a very good playing Aruna ".

Han Ying:
"Han Ying played a good tournament , unfortunately she was in the draw one of the two Chinese women in the quarterfinals. Otherwise it was a really good performance. Against the Olympic and world champion Ding Ning she tried everything, but the Chinese women are reallyhard to beat with defense, and Ding Ning improved because of the expirience of the last two duels with Ying. "

Petrissa Solja
"Peti had really hard draw with the North Korean defender Ri Myong Sun. The two North Koreans are among the world's top defenders, as evidenced by the third place of Kim. Peti has undoubtedly improved her play against Defence, but it wasn t enough. She will continue to work on that. "


thanks a lot for translating! this is gold :)

UpSideDownCarl
08-11-2016, 05:44 PM
The real question is: Is Ma Long's short game good enough now to handle ZJK's over the table magic.


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By the way, his short game has gotten leagues better since 2013 when Wang Hao used the short game to break Ma Long down. So I hope he is no longer vulnerable to that short game mysticism.


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Siva Schopenhauer
08-11-2016, 05:51 PM
At 3 30 AM, when ZJK tears his shirt and thunders the stadium with that voice crack, I am gonna celebrate it like I haven't celebrated any table tennis moment before. Choo ole!

karibaci
08-11-2016, 06:04 PM
What do you expect??
I mean - on our TV online live stream they switched in the middle of 5th set of ZJK vs. Vladi to BOXing ..
Thats how much they actually care for table tennis..

really? well... you're right - yes it says a lot. But what TV was it? Did you mean our national TV?

ttmonster
08-11-2016, 06:44 PM
come on guys , the forum is awefully quiet . I thought now that we have the summit clash we have been expecting for the last 8 years, Ma Long and Zhang Jike fans would line up one last time and have a go at each other before this argument is settled for good ...

UpSideDownCarl
08-11-2016, 06:50 PM
come on guys , the forum is awefully quiet . I thought now that we have the summit clash we have been expecting for the last 8 years, Ma Long and Zhang Jike fans would line up one last time and have a go at each other before this argument is settled for good ...

Hahaha.

1) I know Ma Long is going to do it. I don't have a doubt. Now everyone will know that he is really the better player.

2) Zhang Jike is gonna make Ma Long cry like a little girl!

3) No way! ML is gonna make ZJK cry this time.

4) ZJK all the way. ML can't handle the pressure.

5) ML too good for ZJK.

6) ZJK too good for ML.

Hahaha.


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ttmonster
08-11-2016, 06:52 PM
Ha ha , exactly .. btw for the record I agree with 2,4 and 6 and completely disagree with 1,3 and 5 :p

Hahaha.

1) I know Ma Long is going to do it. I don't have a doubt. Now everyone will know that he is really the better player.

2) Zhang Jike is gonna make Ma Long cry like a little girl!

3) No way! ML is gonna make ZJK cry this time.

4) ZJK all the way. ML can't handle the pressure.

5) ML too good for ZJK.

6) ZJK too good for ML.

Hahaha.


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pavlik89
08-11-2016, 07:04 PM
Zhang Jike vs Vladimir Samsonov Highlights HD 1/2


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ocfk1_zhang-jike-vs-vladimir-samsonov-highlights-hd-2016_sport?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=direct&utm_campaign=newvideoupload

redonix76
08-11-2016, 07:09 PM
Well fair or not LXX made a miss after miss after miss on relatively easy balls. DN definitely wanted it more I give her that, LXX was better in tactics and execution, but the patience & focus simply was not there at crucial points in the last two games. When LXX played with all her might I only saw one player at the table.

In two sets she was losing 4 points down and came back convincingly same thing at the deciding set

I've always thought that LXX is the better player to Ding Ning, so I dont deny that. Any sport, mental toughness plays a large part of the skill set, not just the physical. That's why I said that, at this match, Ding Ning was the better player who had less unforced errors towards the end.

ML and ZJK is the same. They both got the skills and talent but it'll all come down to nerves and unforced errors for who ever loses.

TTFrenzy
08-11-2016, 07:23 PM
Zhang Jike vs Vladimir Samsonov Highlights HD 1/2


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ocfk1_zhang-jike-vs-vladimir-samsonov-highlights-hd-2016_sport?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=direct&utm_campaign=newvideoupload


pavlik's video lasted 17 minutes hahahah gotta love the internet content spies

redonix76
08-11-2016, 08:00 PM
Malong is stronger technically, on his 'A' game. BUT - and here is the thing - Zhang Jike is stronger, clearly, mentally. Even though Ma has got better mentally, there is something about ZJK that he cant cope with. Basically, Zjang does his Jedi mind tricks on Ma and ties him up on the REALLY BIG stage. So my prediction - Ma will probably be frozen out again.

Even though I want Ma Long to win, what you've said makes perfect sense. If ML can't bring his A game, ZJK will eat him alive..but if anyone can beat ZJK, it would be ML. As long as he lets everything go and play without doubts, he could win. Here's to hoping!!

Mattis
08-11-2016, 08:31 PM
Ehhh guys! Long time no see.

Im really looking forward to watch the final tonight, because unfortunately I couldnt watch any match so far.
Like, most of the links doesn't work for me or they are lagging alot (having a good internet connection). Could be nice if you could post or PM some alternative links or the usual ones for another try. Thank you alot guys. Wish you fun watching the match!

Located in Germany by the way.

Greetings

ttmonster
08-11-2016, 08:33 PM
So this what I think looking at the pattern of the last few matches between the two ... the first 4 games are going to be decided on the basis of who plays the first three balls better .
Ma Long has an advantage with serve and Zhang Jike on Serve receive.
ZJK has brought a lot more variety in his serves and third ball attacks off late and he is going for the forehand flick more often ...

for ZJK to win this match comfortably he has to take at least a 3-1 lead in the first 4 games ...

It will become a lot trickier if its 2-2 . Then it will start getting into longer rallies and even though Jun Mizutani's power is nowehere near ZJK , we saw in the semifinal that Ma Long's footwork is turning on when needed, we will know how far ZJK has been able to recover from his back issues if it gets to that situation and whether he has been able to fix his inability to go for wide forehands will be tested as well ...

but somehow I sense an urgency in ZJK that was missing earlier , so I will keep my fingers crossed that he can put the disappointments of the last few years past him ... the fact that he said that winning till semifinals is for the country and the final is for me , tells me that he is going to put 100% out there ... but yes , it would have been a lot more fun to have had this match up in 2012 london , then we could have witnessed two players in their prime, ZJK is clearly past his , physically ...

to summarize, it will be almost like watching Ma Lin vs Wang Liqin , the modern gambler and rebel going up against the consistent good player and good boy of the CNT ..

MaLongPower
08-11-2016, 08:53 PM
Basicly there are only 2 options either you are a Ma Long Lover or you are a Zang Jike Hater :P

mr. tom
08-11-2016, 08:58 PM
I was watching with my 5 year old son to the world cup final between Ma Long and Zhang Jike, where Zhang trashed a few barriers after winning.

I prefer Ma Long to win this upcoming final; he's a much better role model for all those young table tennis players.

Optik
08-11-2016, 09:03 PM
Ehhh guys! Long time no see.

Im really looking forward to watch the final tonight, because unfortunately I couldnt watch any match so far.
Like, most of the links doesn't work for me or they are lagging alot (having a good internet connection). Could be nice if you could post or PM some alternative links or the usual ones for another try. Thank you alot guys. Wish you fun watching the match!

Located in Germany by the way.

Greetings


http://rio.sportschau.de/rio2016/live/

LordPippington
08-11-2016, 09:06 PM
I was watching with my 5 year old son to the world cup final between Ma Long and Zhang Jike, where Zhang trashed a few barriers after winning.

I prefer Ma Long to win this upcoming final; he's a much better role model for all those young table tennis players.

I agree, it was terribly traumatizing. I'm still trying to recover...

jedimasterplk
08-11-2016, 09:07 PM
Its almost as if Zhang KNOWS he will beat Ma - either that, or he has started the mind games, with his quotes of 'the semis were for my country, the final is for me' ...... He certainly has an innate inner belief which Ma lacks. Let the Jedi mind games begin.... This game will not be won on the table - but in the players heads.

UpSideDownCarl
08-11-2016, 09:23 PM
Its almost as if Zhang KNOWS he will beat Ma - either that, or he has started the mind games, with his quotes of 'the semis were for my country, the final is for me' ...... He certainly has an innate inner belief which Ma lacks. Let the Jedi mind games begin.... This game will not be won on the table - but in the players heads.

Spoken by the jedimaster! [emoji2]


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jedimasterplk
08-11-2016, 09:31 PM
Spoken by the jedimaster! [emoji2]


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Hahaha - ZJK is like a Sith Lord compared to my lowly level of apprentice ;)

Siva Schopenhauer
08-11-2016, 09:32 PM
Basicly there are only 2 options either you are a Ma Long Lover or you are a Zang Jike Hater :P

If you love Ma Long, you are the kind of guy who likes professors :D

TableTennisDaily
08-11-2016, 11:36 PM
The Bronze Medal Match has commenced!

TTHopeful
08-11-2016, 11:38 PM
Here we go!

fz29888
08-11-2016, 11:42 PM
bronze medal live:
http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/cctv-5

gold medal live:
beijing sports: http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/beijingtv6

shanghai sports: http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/shanghai-sports

guangdong sports: http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/guangdong-sports

FloKing
08-11-2016, 11:43 PM
Damn it! French Francetvsport website does not currently stream the Bronze Medal match!! :(

Cypher
08-11-2016, 11:49 PM
Just realized how weak Vladdi's forehand loop is...

slym
08-11-2016, 11:51 PM
Bronze Medal Live: http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/cctv-5

Gold Medal Live Streaming Options Below:

Beijing sports: http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/beijingtv6

Shanghai sports: http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/shanghai-sports

Guangdong sports: http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/guangdong-sports

FloKing
08-11-2016, 11:54 PM
Damn it! French Francetvsport website does not currently stream the Bronze Medal match!! :(

Yes they do FloKing! ;)
http://rio2016.francetvsport.fr/videos/article/tennis-table-simple-tableau-riocentro-pavillon-table-29288.html

Grr, 2-0 lead Mizutani.
Davay Vova!!!!

TableTennisDaily
08-12-2016, 12:00 AM
Who are you routing for? Jun Mizutani or Vladimir Samsonov?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpna9TkWgAAHRQj.jpg:large

Ilia Minkin
08-12-2016, 12:10 AM
Just realized how weak Vladdi's forehand loop is...

It is not weak, it is consistent :D

Reaper
08-12-2016, 12:11 AM
http://i.imgur.com/JkLwtsN.gif

10616

10615

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 12:15 AM
damn samsonov too hesitant when he is about to win. he really wants that medal bad.

p.s. what;s the name of that actor in the stands? true detective and shit, great actor

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 12:17 AM
craaaaaap, samsonov most lucky tournament and he got punished by an edge for not attacking hard. tough luck 3-1 for mizu

CintaTT
08-12-2016, 12:19 AM
damn samsonov too hesitant when he is about to win. he really wants that medal bad.

p.s. what;s the name of that actor in the stands? true detective and shit, great actor

Matthew McConaughey

Is there any link that doesn't require vpn? This link: http://m.tudotv.tv/assistir-sportv-15-ao-vivo-online-gratis-em-hd/ is not broadcasting the final, zz
Well it's not broadcasting the bronze medal match now but dunno about the gold medal match..

Jirrex
08-12-2016, 12:19 AM
damn samsonov too hesitant when he is about to win. he really wants that medal bad.

p.s. what;s the name of that actor in the stands? true detective and shit, great actor
Matthew McConaughey

Reaper
08-12-2016, 12:20 AM
damn samsonov too hesitant when he is about to win. he really wants that medal bad.

p.s. what;s the name of that actor in the stands? true detective and shit, great actor


Something is up, vladi is not playing at 100%, probably still sore after the slip vs ovtcharov

ps: matthew mcconaughey

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 12:27 AM
I think mizu just outsmarted him and created angles that vladi isnt used to. that edge ball was very crucial , but vladi now seems to adapt to jun's rally patterns

MDanielCRO
08-12-2016, 12:30 AM
Working link for finals please? bbc sports would be perfect

Heffs976
08-12-2016, 12:31 AM
Zhang jike HWFG lets do this!!!!

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 12:31 AM
great match, nothing to be sad about for vladi. he is 40 years old its a huge accomplishment , only him persson and waldner achieved top4 in olympics at that age, and it was quite normal that all of them lost

great win for mizu, the guy was probably sick and tired of getting 4th place in world cups

MDanielCRO
08-12-2016, 12:32 AM
Found it by myself (proud) :cool:

Heffs976
08-12-2016, 12:32 AM
Working link for finals please? bbc sports would be perfect
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/olympics/36775015
here you go

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 12:35 AM
Working link for finals please? bbc sports would be perfect


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/olympics/36775015

don parker is commentating. he definitely knows a thing or two about TT he has also commented in many world tours/champs/olympics

Cypher
08-12-2016, 01:00 AM
welp this is gonna be a quick finals game...

Steven
08-12-2016, 01:10 AM
What a play by Ma Long. He's just dominating right now.

Ilia Minkin
08-12-2016, 01:10 AM
ML overpowers ZJK even in BH to BH exchanges...

NichoMarpaunk
08-12-2016, 01:13 AM
Ma Long is not human

Best player to ever play the sport, just eat ZJK for a breakfast

songdavid98
08-12-2016, 01:16 AM
the bbc stream doesn't work for me. anyone know why?

i could watch the chinese one anyway though

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:17 AM
fisnihed 10-4. congrats to ML !!

ttmonster
08-12-2016, 01:18 AM
TTFrenzy you jinxed him with that talk of 4-0

CintaTT
08-12-2016, 01:18 AM
Congrats Ma Long!!!

ttmonster
08-12-2016, 01:19 AM
Congrats Ma Long Fans ! You can now turn right side up carl :p

laistrogian
08-12-2016, 01:19 AM
Who won the bronze? MJ?

Kevin Geraldy
08-12-2016, 01:19 AM
ma long won 4-0

fanTT
08-12-2016, 01:19 AM
I am not neither fan, but somehow I feel its set up both finals to make more grand slam winners. But probably I am wrong :)

Ilia Minkin
08-12-2016, 01:19 AM
No jumping on the table, no crushing barriers, no tearing the shirt. So boring.

lawrence.monsieurr
08-12-2016, 01:21 AM
Ma Long,

As a ZJK fan, I want to be the first one to congratulate you. Your level of play in this final was perfect. ZJK tried his best, but apart from the first set, couldn't even come close to you in this final. I applaud your performance. You played your best match of your life, and it couldn't be on a more important moment than this one. Years of hard work, determination and perseverance have finally paid off. Ma Long, the Dragon, the Dominator, the Olympic Gold medalist, the Grand slam winner. I am humbled by your greatness. The best of luck in the following of your career, but for now, enjoy YOUR moment of fame.

A deeply touched ZJK fan

roger
08-12-2016, 01:21 AM
Congrats for Captain Ma Long!!!

roger
08-12-2016, 01:23 AM
At least NO DOPING!

songdavid98
08-12-2016, 01:23 AM
i'm for ma long, but this seems pretty rigged.

Zhang Jike isn't stepping around much, and he is consistently hitting to Ma Long's backhand corner, just letting Ma Long do his step around forehand.

Zhang Jike's backhand flips were mostly attacked by Ma Long's step around forehand, instantly giving Ma Long the momentum.

Richie
08-12-2016, 01:23 AM
So happy to see ML win, amazing performance, a bit embarrassing for the people hyping Zhang Jikes performance up so much however. Incredible table tennis, some of the points were out of this world.

Tryzerlol
08-12-2016, 01:23 AM
I am not neither fan, but somehow I feel its set up both finals to make more grand slam winners. But probably I am wrong :)

Had the same feeling, atmosphere was really ****ing weird to be honest. ZJK Seemed like he didn't wanna continue after the first set and was silent throughout the entire game. Whether that was strategy or dictated from above is something we won't find out I guess

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:26 AM
TTFrenzy you jinxed him with that talk of 4-0


haha yeah, I was expecting it somehow. Was not quite sure , but after that ding ning LXX final I thought that ML would also eager for the title much more than ZJK did.

ZJK didnt have patience, always tried to finish the points early and probably got hesitant or overexcited in some balls.

On the other hands these are his weapons against ma long and in the encounters he won against him, was outsmarting him in the short game/opening phase, and finish with a bh bh rally or killer FH

ma long was so well prepared today that he was expecting all of ZJK plans, ZJK didnt adapt well and in many occasions you could see he thought that ML would be out of position but the ball kept coming back, ZJK was like standing there thinking ok he wont reach that.

many misses from ZJK a game with lots of similarities with the women's finals

yuri.saldon
08-12-2016, 01:27 AM
Come on guys accept ma long was best today, he deserved the title

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bricephan
08-12-2016, 01:28 AM
What an easy final! The runner-up is just a matter of who face ML at last :)

I am a big fan of ZJK, too. So I had prepared many excuses before the match even started:

1. He looks bored and sleepy, no motivation at all.

2. At xx:xx in xx set, he rubbed his shoulder/back/waist/knee, he must be injured again. Poor ZJK, lucky ML. ML never can beat a healthy ZJK anyway. What a bad day!

3. IMHO, he just played not even half of his potential, probably 1/3… no, must only be 1/10. Damn!

4. Initially ZJK didn’t let ML playing his game, but suddenly he lost his focus and a lucky ML made a comeback.

5. ML was so lucky today, so many edge and net balls.

6. I dun understand ZJK, why he did not want to play his short game. He must have let ML win to increase number of Grand Slam players for China. What a LORD of Table Tennis!

7. (Or) ZJK did not use his short game. This match must have been arranged in favor of ML to join Grand Slam team.

8. Come on guys, Olympic is not that big event yet. Kuwait Open was bigger, where ZJK crushed ML so badly.

9. Wait, did you forget that ZJK won ML in World Cup two years ago, where ZJK TOTALLY CRUSHED ML with 4-3 and 12-10 in the final set? Today ZJK simply did not have a mood to play, that’s all!

10. ZJK only plays when it matters. For this Olympic, China surely secures Gold and Silver Medals, regardless his loss or win. So it DOESN’T MATTER anymore.

11. ZJK was too rush and made so many unforced errors, he simply just lost to himself. What a lucky ML!

12. ZJK’s intentional losses help TT community to have better definition on IMPORTANT MATCHES, which are clearly not OG nor WTTC ones, but Kuwait Open, World Cup, and Chinese Trials.

Feel free to use any of those, guys! Lets fight for ZJK =)))

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:33 AM
Had the same feeling, atmosphere was really ****ing weird to be honest. ZJK Seemed like he didn't wanna continue after the first set and was silent throughout the entire game. Whether that was strategy or dictated from above is something we won't find out I guess


Im a huge zhang jike fan and sports in general. If fixing matches occurs in modern era I will simply stop watching TT.

I was a huge basketball/soccer fan also as a kid, and when I found out how many fixed matches were occuring in greece and in europe, got so frustrated and pissed off that stoped watching following my favorite team and basketball/soccer in general

I strongly believe that the era of ma ling wang liqin and the youngsters afterwards are not participating in fixed matches. I believe that because, wang hao could have easily completed a grand slam, missing only the olympics ( 2 finals against chines) and same thing goes for wang liqin who does not have a world cup and ma ling not having a WTTC with 3 finals appearances

The past 15 years the chinese could have easily fixed all of these results and all of the players could have a grand slam completed

Steven
08-12-2016, 01:33 AM
Zhang Jike only cho's when he feels like he's winning. He lost that feeling somewhere halfway the second game.

yuri.saldon
08-12-2016, 01:35 AM
Zhang Jike only cho's when he feels like he's winning. He lost that feeling somewhere halfway the second game.
I have the same impression

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TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:35 AM
There is still a speculation of fixing wang hao vs wang liqin in olympic semifinal 2004 because wang hao had only wins against ryu and wang liqin had + score but not a comfortable lead in previous encounters. Wang hao in general beated many times wang liqin (so its normal he won) , but my god if the CNT fixed that match im glad RSM whooped their asses.

yuri.saldon
08-12-2016, 01:37 AM
I think the most important for China is earn a gold and silver whatever who have earned

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TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:38 AM
Guys ZJK cho's when the heat is up he celebrated 2-3 times in 1st set, the other sets he was just super focused to get even in the score, its a classic ZJK behavior if u ask me . choing when gettin even or coming back. you can observe that in almost all of his crucial matches, finals and team events

atek2015
08-12-2016, 01:40 AM
First, congrats ma long for you gold medal and New glam slam.
Second, let the blind think it is a fixed match.
Your performence is out of this Word and the blind fans of zjk never admit that.

UpSideDownCarl
08-12-2016, 01:40 AM
Pretty funny Bricephan.

Great match World Champion, Olympic Champion Ma Long.

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:42 AM
TTFrenzy you jinxed him with that talk of 4-0

sorry to quote again, but that jinx phrase is abso f***ing hilarious hahhhhaahahahah

steffi
08-12-2016, 01:43 AM
You would think they would have a translator standing behind them to translate the announcements.

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:44 AM
What an easy final! The runner-up is just a matter of who face ML at last :)

I am a big fan of ZJK, too. So I had prepared many excuses before the match even started:

1. He looks bored and sleepy, no motivation at all.

2. At xx:xx in xx set, he rubbed his shoulder/back/waist/knee, he must be injured again. Poor ZJK, lucky ML. ML never can beat a healthy ZJK anyway. What a bad day!

3. IMHO, he just played not even half of his potential, probably 1/3… no, must only be 1/10. Damn!

4. Initially ZJK didn’t let ML playing his game, but suddenly he lost his focus and a lucky ML made a comeback.

5. ML was so lucky today, so many edge and net balls.

6. I dun understand ZJK, why he did not want to play his short game. He must have let ML win to increase number of Grand Slam players for China. What a LORD of Table Tennis!

7. (Or) ZJK did not use his short game. This match must have been arranged in favor of ML to join Grand Slam team.

8. Come on guys, Olympic is not that big event yet. Kuwait Open was bigger, where ZJK crushed ML so badly.

9. Wait, did you forget that ZJK won ML in World Cup two years ago, where ZJK TOTALLY CRUSHED ML with 4-3 and 12-10 in the final set? Today ZJK simply did not have a mood to play, that’s all!

10. ZJK only plays when it matters. For this Olympic, China surely secures Gold and Silver Medals, regardless his loss or win. So it DOESN’T MATTER anymore.

11. ZJK was too rush and made so many unforced errors, he simply just lost to himself. What a lucky ML!

12. ZJK’s intentional losses help TT community to have better definition on IMPORTANT MATCHES, which are clearly not OG nor WTTC ones, but Kuwait Open, World Cup, and Chinese Trials.

Feel free to use any of those, guys! Lets fight for ZJK =)))


funny but how many WTTTC does ma long have?

wang hao still in paris, waiting for him at the table

hahahaha just couldnt help my self. good effort though

p.s. teach me please.

Alborz
08-12-2016, 01:45 AM
Even I'm a Zhang jike fan but come on guys! Ma Long simply played better today and of course he deserved to win. I'm just a bit disappointed because it wasn't a very close match.

lawrence.monsieurr
08-12-2016, 01:46 AM
As I saw it,

I don't think Zhang Jike had ANY chance today to beat Ma Long. Like someone already said, Ma was prepared for everything. Nobody, no one, I repeat, no one could have beaten Ma Long today. His mindset was perfect, he wasn't nervous at all, and played to perfection. No matter what Jike tried, Ma Long always had the perfect answer. This was Ma Long's best performance of his life, and not even ZJK can deal with this kind of performance.

Dear ZJK fans, stop bitching about ZJK being injured or being bored, this is the OLYMPIC FINAL?! Do you really think that ZJK would lose on purpose? Do you think he gives a single **** about match fixing or Ma Long's GS? Sometimes, you just have to accept greatness, like Jike did in this match. Somewhere, halfway in this match, he acknowledged Ma Long's superiority today. And that is what everyone should do now. I was rooting for Jike the whole match, even at 10-4 in the third, but got over the fact that Ma was in a world of his own today. As should everyone here.

Let us all take a moment and send Ma Long our congratiulations. If anyone deserves it, it is him.

Ilia Minkin
08-12-2016, 01:46 AM
I strongly believe that the era of ma ling wang liqin and the youngsters afterwards are not participating in fixed matches. I believe that because, wang hao could have easily completed a grand slam, missing only the olympics


The conspiracy theory says that Wang Hao was not allowed to do so as the punishment for losing to Ryu Seung Min in 2004 :D

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:47 AM
let me remind you something in reverse mode for ML fans:

ma long won the world cup and wttc 2015 because he didnt face ZJK in the final. what a lucky player.

does it ring a bell? can you beat that? :D

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:48 AM
The conspiracy theory says that Wang Hao was not allowed to do so as the punishment for losing to Ryu Seung Min :D


haahhaha that is amazing, had a good laugh :P

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 01:50 AM
Even I'm a Zhang jike fan but come on guys! Ma Long simply played better today and of course he deserved to win. I'm just a bit disappointed because it wasn't a very close match.


yeap my thoughte exactly. ZJK basically tried to steal the match quickly and when the execution/tactics didnt paid off the game was basically over in 2-0.

xperryment
08-12-2016, 01:56 AM
One quick question is Ma Long the first gold medalist to win by 4-0 in table tennis Olympic history?

UpSideDownCarl
08-12-2016, 01:58 AM
Hey, wait, what happened. I'm still waiting for the gold medal match between Quadri Aruna and Vladimir Samsonov. Why are you guys talking about boring players like Zhang Jike and Ma Long.

bricephan
08-12-2016, 01:58 AM
One quick question is Ma Long the first gold medalist to win by 4-0 in table tennis Olympic history?

According to a domestic commentator, it seems to be true. First 4-0 win in Olympic history.

UpSideDownCarl
08-12-2016, 01:59 AM
Congratulations to Ma Long. Right now he is the baddest dude on this planet. At least as far as table tennis goes.

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 02:02 AM
According to a domestic commentator, it seems to be true. First 4-0 win in Olympic history.

yeah, but he still lacks a 2nd wttc and does not have any back or arm injury. haters gonna hate.

Lan
08-12-2016, 02:07 AM
Any highlights for a poor soul?

UpSideDownCarl
08-12-2016, 02:11 AM
I walk away from this tournament being most impressed by Quadri Aruna and Vladimir Samsonov.

Ma Long is a beast and there is no question that, right now he is the best player around. But Samsonov at 40, his performance was beautiful. And how exciting is Aruna to watch!

slym
08-12-2016, 02:20 AM
Guys I'm just realising, Ma Long is the current champion of every important titles that exist in Table Tennis :
1 - Olympics
2 - WTTC
3 - Chinese National Games
4 - World Cup
5 - Pro Tour Grand Finals (less important but still)

+ all the team events and some Pro Tours probably.

Hands down baby : D

I believe he can defend all of that hehe

lawrence.monsieurr
08-12-2016, 02:21 AM
I walk away from this tournament being most impressed by Quadri Aruna and Vladimir Samsonov.

Ma Long is a beast and there is no question that, right now he is the best player around. But Samsonov at 40, his performance was beautiful. And how exciting is Aruna to watch!

Exactly Carl, all in all, I think this was one of the best Olympic Table Tennis Tournaments ever. Not only by the upsets, but also by the quality of points, techniques and fitness of all the players. I thoroughly enjoyed the Singles Event, and am really eagerly awaiting the Team Event.

bricephan
08-12-2016, 02:26 AM
Guys I'm just realising, Ma Long is the current champion of every important titles that exist in Table Tennis :
1 - Olympics
2 - WTTC
3 - Chinese National Games
4 - World Cup
5 - Pro Tour Grand Finals (less important but still)

+ all the team events and some Pro Tours probably.

Hands down baby : D

I believe he can defend all of that hehe

Plus, he also has record of winning the most pro-tours in the history.

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 02:31 AM
Plus, he also has record of winning the most pro-tours in the history.

that would be samsonov. ma long has 22. vladi has 26.

p.s. i can teach you but im expensive :)

Dan
08-12-2016, 02:33 AM
Impressive! What do you all think of this. Ma Long and Zhang Jike warmed up together before the final

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/fddb67aa7242f0538bb6113ffdd5f7cd.jpg

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 02:33 AM
why shouldnt they, they are friends after all. just another day at work!

slym
08-12-2016, 02:34 AM
And any loosing record against anyone he played more than 1 time.
What else?!

khuonglt
08-12-2016, 05:11 AM
Some guys think the match was fixed. If it was true, I think LGL should attend a film direction course in Hollywood to make the match more dramatic, not one-way show 4-0 today.

Two facts I notice in this match:

- When ZJK has getting older, his mental is weaker.
- When ML has getting older, his reaction is more quicky, and his footwork is faster.

ZJK was more sportsmanship when he still shaken hand with ML after losing 0-4 today. The last time his has lost 0-4 to ML in Asian Championship, he hadn't done that.

And Now, we have know who is better player: "Ma Long’s skills are better than mine, no matter is it in his first three strokes, or changing between attacking and blocking. Congrats to him” said Zhang.

Congrats to ZJK. You are mature.

ade14212
08-12-2016, 05:17 AM
Well well well...TTfrenzy sure is a gentleman. I applaud you good sir.

Those who said this match fixed, learn to accept the truth man. ZJK was giving his best, especially in the first set. After that, Ma simply dominated and anticipated ZJk's play.

Its funny to see some people said this was rigged. What happens with all the talk making ZJK the greatest with two grandslam? ZJK wanted the gold, same goes for ML. They played their hearts out and this time around, ML is better. Just like two years ago in WC, ZJK was the better one.

NextLevel
08-12-2016, 05:41 AM
Impressive! What do you all think of this. Ma Long and Zhang Jike warmed up together before the final

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/fddb67aa7242f0538bb6113ffdd5f7cd.jpg
Terrible mistake on the part of ZJK.

NextLevel
08-12-2016, 05:43 AM
I walk away from this tournament being most impressed by Quadri Aruna and Vladimir Samsonov.

Ma Long is a beast and there is no question that, right now he is the best player around. But Samsonov at 40, his performance was beautiful. And how exciting is Aruna to watch!

Jeoung Youngsik, Aruna, Mizutani and Ma Long. Hoping Xu Xin can do it next time.

Nico269
08-12-2016, 06:11 AM
Ma Long showed that he is on another level altogether. I thought that Zhang Jike was going to win but Ma Long was too much even for him. Congratulations, Ma Long.

TT4Life
08-12-2016, 06:27 AM
Beast mode !!! :) Congrats to the Captain Ma Long .

silvershamaa
08-12-2016, 06:36 AM
It's really impressive that Jun Mizutani managed to get 2 games against Ma Long, considering how ML played today. Based on how he played against Ma Long I think maybe he deserved the silver.

Siva Schopenhauer
08-12-2016, 06:54 AM
Yes match was fixed in ZJK's mind. He ****ing injured his shoulder and back again during the semifinal. Waiting for official confirmation from Chinese media.

Other than that, how can you even say that this match is rigged. He was giving his maximum during the first set. After the second set, there is severe disruption in his form and movement. Injury messed him up.

Anyways, Kudos to our new Grand Slam Champion Ma Long. It would have been miserable, if ML played like he did again Jeung or Aruna. For the least he was pretty confident during the entire match. That makes me happy.

Fate made ZJK the Grandslam champion and the same made him to lose the Finals by Injury. There is no way Ma Long gets to beat a 100% ZJK :D

eyepop
08-12-2016, 06:59 AM
Jeoung Youngsik, Aruna, Mizutani and Ma Long. Hoping Xu Xin can do it next time.


I walk away from this tournament being most impressed by Quadri Aruna and Vladimir Samsonov.

Ma Long is a beast and there is no question that, right now he is the best player around. But Samsonov at 40, his performance was beautiful. And how exciting is Aruna to watch!

I agree with all above, and I'd add Kim Song I, Ni Xialian and Paul Drinkhall. And also Ai Fukuhara was badass against FTW.



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TT4Life
08-12-2016, 07:07 AM
Failure is an event.! Without disappointment, you cant appreciate victory. :):p

Siva Schopenhauer
08-12-2016, 07:32 AM
Medal Cermony Video Hd. Click the image for the video to open :)

<a href="https://openload.co/f/UWivvxaFoX4/Ma_Long_Zhang_Jike_Jun_Mizutani_Olympic_Medal_Cermemony.mp4"><img src="https://thumb.oloadcdn.net/splash/UWivvxaFoX4/iRYYyTV0rrM.jpg" /></a>

gauravvraj
08-12-2016, 07:39 AM
Please upload final match of MA and Zhang on openload

Siva Schopenhauer
08-12-2016, 07:51 AM
Please upload final match of MA and Zhang on openload

On the way

Siva Schopenhauer
08-12-2016, 07:53 AM
Womens' Singles Final Ding ning Vs Li Xiaoxia Full Match HD. Click the image for the Video : Enjoy Pals :)

https://openload.co/f/jKWNN2plahs/%E5%A5%B3%E5%AD%90%E4%B9%92%E4%B9%93%E7%90%83%E5%8D%95%E6%89%93%E5%86%B3%E8%B5%9B.mkv.mp4

bzing
08-12-2016, 07:56 AM
So glad it has proven Ma Long can beat Zhang Jike in the major competition such as Olympics. There is no bigger proof needed than that. So glad the arrogant barrier kicking Zhang Jike lost.

Siva Schopenhauer
08-12-2016, 08:01 AM
Ma Long Vs Zhang Jike Men's Single Final Full Match 720p. Enjoy Mates :)

<a href="https://openload.co/f/bewRHrQYRgs/Ma_Long_vs_Zhang_Jike_Men%27s_Singles_Final_Rio_2016.mkv.mp4"><img src="https://thumb.oloadcdn.net/splash/bewRHrQYRgs/zDCSYLrCc9k.jpg" /></a>

gauravvraj
08-12-2016, 08:10 AM
you're great!!!

Siva Schopenhauer
08-12-2016, 08:12 AM
Enjoy mate, just a service :)

pavlik89
08-12-2016, 08:31 AM
Ma Long vs Zhang JIke Highlights HD FINAL


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ofo1s

mr. tom
08-12-2016, 08:44 AM
:-), ow yeah!

TurboZ
08-12-2016, 09:06 AM
From an interview after the final, ZJK said that the lost of first game to ML by 2 was the turning point and greatly affect the following 3 games. If he got it then he will not be as passive. After game one ML was playing really well. ZJK tried hard to chase from behind but it was very hard even to win one point. Also ZJK's back injury was triggered in the semi with Samsonov. He played a very good blocking game and ZJK's back suffered with big reaction.

About his favoritism by LGL, ZJK said everyone was being treated the same. About not getting the first Double Grand Slam, ZJK said that he felt he was playing much better than London in every games except final. He had fulfilled all his task before final so he has no regret. All players participated in the event no matter win or loss are great athletes.

About his future, ZJK said he is preparing himself for the next team competition and without much thinking about the future. Will this be his last Olympic? Probably but no firm answer for now.

No one should feel sad because we are about to see 4 Grand Slam Champions in one single Olympic playing in Team Competition with 2 Grand Slam Coaches watching. How can anyone beat that?

Siva Schopenhauer
08-12-2016, 09:27 AM
From an interview after the final, ZJK said that the lost of first game to ML by 2 was the turning point and greatly affect the following 3 games. If he got it then he will not be as passive. After game one ML was playing really well. ZJK tried hard to chase from behind but it was very hard even to win one point. Also ZJK's back injury was triggered in the semi with Samsonov. He played a very good blocking game and ZJK's back suffered with big reaction.

About his favoritism by LGL, ZJK said everyone was being treated the same. About not getting the first Double Grand Slam, ZJK said that he felt he was playing much better than London in every games except final. He had fulfilled all his task before final so he has no regret. All players participated in the event no matter win or loss are great athletes.

About his future, ZJK said he is preparing himself for the next team competition and without much thinking about the future. Will this be his last Olympic? Probably but no firm answer for now.

No one should feel sad because we are about to see 4 Grand Slam Champions in one single Olympic playing in Team Competition with 2 Grand Slam Coaches watching. How can anyone beat that?

I am telling if that point at 10-7 didn't **** him up, there is no chance for Ma long. ML got lucky :(

pavlik89
08-12-2016, 09:29 AM
Vladimir SAMSONOV vs Jun MIZUTANI Highlights



http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4og8i8

jedimasterplk
08-12-2016, 09:34 AM
As I saw it,

I don't think Zhang Jike had ANY chance today to beat Ma Long. Like someone already said, Ma was prepared for everything. Nobody, no one, I repeat, no one could have beaten Ma Long today. His mindset was perfect, he wasn't nervous at all, and played to perfection. No matter what Jike tried, Ma Long always had the perfect answer. This was Ma Long's best performance of his life, and not even ZJK can deal with this kind of performance.

Dear ZJK fans, stop bitching about ZJK being injured or being bored, this is the OLYMPIC FINAL?! Do you really think that ZJK would lose on purpose? Do you think he gives a single **** about match fixing or Ma Long's GS? Sometimes, you just have to accept greatness, like Jike did in this match. Somewhere, halfway in this match, he acknowledged Ma Long's superiority today. And that is what everyone should do now. I was rooting for Jike the whole match, even at 10-4 in the third, but got over the fact that Ma was in a world of his own today. As should everyone here.

Let us all take a moment and send Ma Long our congratiulations. If anyone deserves it, it is him.

Very well said indeed.

Yecats Encerwal
08-12-2016, 10:40 AM
Tbh, I am just happy that we got to see ZJK play almost to 100% of his ability in this tournament, other than in the final.

The final was a huge disappointment from ZJK - 29 points lost on his own serve and generally way too many unforced errors. Like the majority of ML's points after the first game were unforced errors from ZJK.

Ma Long played well, but he was made to look much better by ZJK's performance.

Anyway, Ma Long deserved the title from how he played - lets not take too much away from him. Once he got the ball rolling he looked unstoppable.

I am just happy that for the majority of the tournament we saw a passionate, committed ZJK playing quality table tennis. I hope he learns from the loss and comes back to take his 3rd WTTC title next year!

BoRSaCi
08-12-2016, 10:52 AM
I think you need VPN in Turkey.

Vladimir Samsonov vs Zhang Jike Rio 2016 Semi final (Full Match HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AttSkpSojRQ

Ma Long - Jun Mizutani Rio 2016 - Semi Final (Full match HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHZ8xVLqA8

jmillsy2
08-12-2016, 11:03 AM
It would have been nice to see Jike win it, but I think Ma Long is a more deserving champion for this one. Jike was very disapointing in the final whereas Ma Long played fairly poorly (by his standards) during the rest of the competition but after the first game in the final stepped it up considerably.

Comparing the two players' performances over the last couple of years it's hard to see why ML didn't deserve to win this, as he has been so dominant in a way we haven't seen since the Wang Liqin days - and even then, WLQ had Ma Lin at his heels on a regular basis.

It was refreshing to see Zhang playing much better than for a long time in the rounds up to the final, just hope he can keep it up as he seems a shadow of his former self these days.

Yecats Encerwal
08-12-2016, 11:19 AM
It would have been nice to see Jike win it, but I think Ma Long is a more deserving champion for this one. Jike was very disapointing in the final whereas Ma Long played fairly poorly (by his standards) during the rest of the competition but after the first game in the final stepped it up considerably.

Comparing the two players' performances over the last couple of years it's hard to see why ML didn't deserve to win this, as he has been so dominant in a way we haven't seen since the Wang Liqin days - and even then, WLQ had Ma Lin at his heels on a regular basis.

It was refreshing to see Zhang playing much better than for a long time in the rounds up to the final, just hope he can keep it up as he seems a shadow of his former self these days.

Might be a shadow but hey, could be worse, could be JSH ;)

steffi
08-12-2016, 11:58 AM
Is the Jun Mizutani vs Ma Long semi uploaded anywhere?

steffi
08-12-2016, 12:59 PM
Does anybody know why the table tennis tables are arranged left to right in 3 2 1 4 order?

steffi
08-12-2016, 01:23 PM
Did they make the womens medal ceremony available?

TTLondon2012
08-12-2016, 01:40 PM
Ma Long vs Zhang Jike (Final)

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ade14212
08-12-2016, 01:49 PM
Hehehe...I remember that ZJK was playing out of his mind back in WC 2014. The story back then was ZJK had shot injected to deal with the pain. Sure as hell, he didn't complain one bit about the injury because he won.

Fast forward to 2016, he was injured vs Samsonov. Couldn't he just get himself some shots like back then before facing ML? Now that he lost, he blamed the injury? Where was the injury back in 2014. The way I see it, ZJK is bitter and can't accept that he's not the champ anymore. His play didn't even diminish or disappear at all. He ripped the ball like no one business and now he blames injury? Take you loss with big heart, please. No one likes sore loser, especially from someone as incredible as him.

steffi
08-12-2016, 01:56 PM
So nobody's talking about the team competitions this morning.

ade14212
08-12-2016, 02:04 PM
So nobody's talking about the team competitions this morning.
Single is where everything matters, my man. The world is basically divided into two; ZJK fans and ML fans. Now that ML won the Olympic by defeating ZJK, no more question about ML's ability shall be asked. He has proved himself to be able to defeat the strongest in the biggest occasion.

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 02:05 PM
Hehehe...I remember that ZJK was playing out of his mind back in WC 2014. The story back then was ZJK had shot injected to deal with the pain. Sure as hell, he didn't complain one bit about the injury because he won.

Fast forward to 2016, he was injured vs Samsonov. Couldn't he just get himself some shots like back then before facing ML? Now that he lost, he blamed the injury? Where was the injury back in 2014. The way I see it, ZJK is bitter and can't accept that he's not the champ anymore. His play didn't even diminish or disappear at all. He ripped the ball like no one business and now he blames injury? Take you loss with big heart, please. No one likes sore loser, especially from someone as incredible as him.


where exactly did zhang blamed his injury?he admitted ma long was simply better in his FB page.

He used the words "back was triggered" boll and zhang have same kind of CHRONIC back injuries, these injuries basically never go away u can keep them contained but as far as I know u cant completely erase them

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 02:14 PM
one more thing, zhang jike was constantly in restraing from 2012. He played the olympics final injured as well, same for 2013 and 2014. It was triggered again vs mizutani in 2015 wttc match, even fang bo admitted that he won because he knew ZJK very well and that he was not playing at his best.

Its a whole different thing to say "I lost because of injury" than saying ML was simply better and i also had problems with my back at the samsonov match which caused me to be less mobile.

Nobody here is ZJK's doctor or ZJK himself, but for me at least , it was quite obvious he didnt have the same mobility from WTTTC 2012 and after. Maybe Im wrong, but I see many fans observing that also. The balls he reached in 2011 were insane, just like ma long did in the final yesterday, he never actually managed to keep that mobility.

You say excuses, I say facts. perspectives? :p

ade14212
08-12-2016, 02:14 PM
where exactly did zhang blamed his injury?he admitted ma long was simply better in his FB page.

He used the words "back was triggered" boll and zhang have same kind of CHRONIC back injuries, these injuries basically never go away u can keep them contained but as far as I know u cant completely erase them

ZJK implied it though.

I'm well aware of that but, if he can get a shot injected back then, why not today too? That way he wouldn't have to worry about his back. Heck, take as much as he could so he could become the greatest ever in history.

That's why I said this is an excuse by ZJK, while admitting ML was the better one today, he implied that he could have done much better should his injury didn't worry him.

ade14212
08-12-2016, 02:18 PM
one more thing, zhang jike was constantly in restraing from 2012. He played the olympics final injured as well, same for 2013 and 2014. It was triggered again vs mizutani in 2015 wttc match, even fang bo admitted that he won because he knew ZJK very well and that he was not playing at his best.

Its a whole different thing to say "I lost because of injury" than saying ML was simply better and i also had problems with my back at the samsonov match which caused me to be less mobile.

Nobody here is ZJK's doctor or ZJK himself, but for me at least , it was quite obvious he didnt have the same mobility from WTTTC 2012 and after. Maybe Im wrong, but I see many fans observing that also. The balls he reached in 2011 were insane, just like ma long did in the final yesterday, he never actually managed to keep that mobility.

You say excuses, I say facts. perspectives? :p

Nicely said. However, if we talk about mobility, have you seen the ground he covered in WC 2014, German Open, and also Kuwait Open? His mobility is just fine and sure as hell isn't abandoning him. It's just today, he wasn't up there with ML. ML's ability is beyond his expectation for today. Making him uncomfortable like ML against JM.

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 02:18 PM
So he said he COULD have done much better without the injury, I cant see the excuse here and im not being biased, especially when ZJK admits ML was simply better today. Hell even without an injury I strongly believe that if ZJK made the same choices he would still have lost 4-0 but maybe the points in sets would be a little different. Anyway history was written! All the other stuff dont matter anymore, want to see how he will handle himself after that loss

steffi
08-12-2016, 02:21 PM
Just finished watching the Womens team event. The Brazilian held on to Ding Nings hand a little longer than she was expecting at the end.

ade14212
08-12-2016, 02:23 PM
So he said he COULD have done much better without the injury, I cant see the excuse here and im not being biased, especially when ZJK admits ML was simply better today. Hell even without an injury I strongly believe that if ZJK made the same choices he would still have lost 4-0 but maybe the points in sets would be a little different. Anyway history was written! All the other stuff dont matter anymore, want to see how he will handle himself after that loss

Yeah, lets just stop this pointless arguments. Let's hope they will meet again in WTTC 2017 and Olympic 2020 Final. It's not impossible for them to reach those competitions. XX and FZD are still nowhere near their level, imo

NextLevel
08-12-2016, 02:48 PM
Yeah, lets just stop this pointless arguments. Let's hope they will meet again in WTTC 2017 and Olympic 2020 Final. It's not impossible for them to reach those competitions. XX and FZD are still nowhere near their level, imo

Whenever you tell me what you are smoking, I will try it out too.

eyepop
08-12-2016, 03:02 PM
So nobody's talking about the team competitions this morning.

I'm watching KOR - ROU, and Romanians are giving a good fight despite Koreans being in the lead. Go Eliza!

steffi
08-12-2016, 03:14 PM
Xu Xin was playing quite well leading up to the Olympics and beating the selected players.

He can give Ma Long a pretty good challenge.

Either way they are compatriots and they appear to respect each other.

NextLevel
08-12-2016, 03:33 PM
Xu Xin was playing quite well leading up to the Olympics and beating the selected players.

He can give Ma Long a pretty good challenge.

Either way they are compatriots and they appear to respect each other.

I have little doubt in my mind that if you replaced Ma Long with Xu Xin and Zhang Jike with Fan Zhendong, the results would have been the same other than that I can't tell you who will win the final.

suds79
08-12-2016, 03:58 PM
I have little doubt in my mind that if you replaced Ma Long with Xu Xin and Zhang Jike with Fan Zhendong, the results would have been the same other than that I can't tell you who will win the final.

lol. I made this exact statement to my wife last night.

Totally agree.

eyepop
08-12-2016, 04:01 PM
KOR - ROU is now a full-fledged drama, a screaming competition and a beauty contest. Also, table tennis is pretty decent too :D It looks like the deciding match will go into a deciding game. Gooo Bernie!

lyh
08-12-2016, 04:09 PM
Congrats to ML!
He played with much more calm: he doesn't show signs of anger like before. I was surprised to see that he won most BH to BH rallies. I think that had effect on ZJK's confidence and made him pivot more. Ma Long managed to restrict ZJK's BH flicks pretty well by regularly serving to small BH corner (when ZJK expected to flick a FH short ball) and by varying the placement of his pushes quickly and deceptively. In that last set, he seems so push short heavier backspins to the middle and FH corner, so he tricked ZJK's short game. What do you guys think?

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 04:09 PM
KOR - ROU is now a full-fledged drama, a screaming competition and a beauty contest. Also, table tennis is pretty decent :D It looks like the deciding match will go into a deciding game. Gooo Bernie!


2-2 in overall score KO VS ROU?

eyepop
08-12-2016, 04:12 PM
2-2 in overall score KO VS ROU?

Just now it's 3:2 for Korea in overall score, and 3:2 in the deciding match (SUH - SZOCS). It's a shame, it was an awesome match.

TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 04:14 PM
Just now it's 3:2 for Korea, 3:2 in the deciding match (SUH - SZOCS). It's a shame, it was an awesome match.

szocs played good, maybe little too impatient at the end, just saw the 10 final points. either that or she didnt understand the spin, seemed like a great effort

eyepop
08-12-2016, 04:21 PM
szocs played good, maybe little too impatient at the end, just saw the 10 final points. either that or she didnt understand the spin, seemed like a great effort

Yeah. This was a very very close fight, 11:13, 14:12, 12:10 (Bernie squandered 1 or 2 game points), 9:11 and 11:7.

redonix76
08-12-2016, 06:44 PM
Congrats to ML!
He played with much more calm: he doesn't show signs of anger like before. I was surprised to see that he won most BH to BH rallies. I think that had effect on ZJK's confidence and made him pivot more. Ma Long managed to restrict ZJK's BH flicks pretty well by regularly serving to small BH corner (when ZJK expected to flick a FH short ball) and by varying the placement of his pushes quickly and deceptively. In that last set, he seems so push short heavier backspins to the middle and FH corner, so he tricked ZJK's short game. What do you guys think?

I agree with you. ZJK is taken by surprised with MLs BH. We all know that ZJKs BH is his weapon. ML's power and BH to BH is what won him the gold. ZJK overshot many of his BH punches and made more unforced errors or forced errors how ever you want to see it. In my opinion ML knew exactly how to beat ZJK but ZJK didn't' prepare well for ML. Maybe he was relying on ML breaking down from his emotion but ML was 100% confident.

atfahs
08-12-2016, 07:08 PM
Anybody recorded the match of Xiaona Shan vs Lily Zhang? Xiaona was incredible in her perfomance with such a dying
style of play, very impressive.

steffi
08-12-2016, 07:40 PM
Article in the nytimes talking about the players disatisfaction with the DHS balls in Rio.

The Omega Man
08-12-2016, 07:49 PM
Any streams? I have a VPN, Canada is not showing anything TT again until the 14th

eyepop
08-12-2016, 07:57 PM
Anybody recorded the match of Xiaona Shan vs Lily Zhang? Xiaona was incredible in her perfomance with such a dying
style of play, very impressive.
Dude did you watch Feng Tianwei - Ni Xialian? It was an awesome display of penhold block, and Xialian even twiddled [emoji1]

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TTFrenzy
08-12-2016, 08:02 PM
Article in the nytimes talking about the players disatisfaction with the DHS balls in Rio.

please provide! any kind of information about olympics (especially "backstage" incidents) is always interesting

atfahs
08-12-2016, 08:10 PM
Dude did you watch Feng Tianwei - Ni Xialian? It was an awesome display of penhold block, and Xialian even twiddled [emoji1]

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I couldn't cause i think both matches were on at the same time damn would have been nice, that style is nice to watch, maybe they face each other in teams down the road.

Nvm i though she was playing her in teams she wasn't they already played :/ haha missed that one, ive seen her videos shes quite good Ni Xialian.

steffi
08-12-2016, 11:16 PM
Ma Longs pushes seem to be too long tonight. I think Aruna's backhand flick is better than the forehand so he should be pushing more to the forehand side.

ttmonster
08-12-2016, 11:18 PM
@NextLevel : We are not saying anything even now .... :D

steffi
08-12-2016, 11:22 PM
That was scary good by Ma Long. One of the best points of the tournament.

steffi
08-12-2016, 11:24 PM
They just tried around the table. That was a nice gesture by Aruna.

ttmonster
08-12-2016, 11:25 PM
Completely agree ... that was one of the most difficult points I have seen Ma Long win ...

That was scary good by Ma Long. One of the best points of the tournament.

steffi
08-12-2016, 11:31 PM
Nigerians doubles pair faces as already saying "how much are we going to lose this by?"

Heffs976
08-13-2016, 02:23 AM
Wow Sam Walker what a match and what a win GBR through to the 1/4 final playing China!!

steffi
08-13-2016, 02:30 AM
Wow Sam Walker what a match and what a win GBR through to the 1/4 final playing China!!

FYI they split the discussion into Team vs Singles threads.

NextLevel
08-13-2016, 03:35 AM
@NextLevel : We are not saying anything even now .... :D


He got a game. I missed the time so I got late to the match but that was all I wanted to see.

ttmonster
08-13-2016, 06:24 AM
I posted just when he got the game, I was watching .. I thought you might be too ....

He got a game. I missed the time so I got late to the match but that was all I wanted to see.

Michal_Z
08-13-2016, 07:55 AM
http://i.imgur.com/JkLwtsN.gif

10616

10615

LOL .. I never noticed him in there! :D
I always stared at the women, thinking of who she might be.. :D

Michal_Z
08-13-2016, 07:56 AM
really? well... you're right - yes it says a lot. But what TV was it? Did you mean our national TV?


It was our official online stream..


Here: http://rtvs.sk/rio2016/live/1

Michal_Z
08-13-2016, 09:47 AM
I think you need VPN in Turkey.

Vladimir Samsonov vs Zhang Jike Rio 2016 Semi final (Full Match HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AttSkpSojRQ

Ma Long - Jun Mizutani Rio 2016 - Semi Final (Full match HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHZ8xVLqA8

This is great!
And they have more videos in the archive, thanks ;)

MaLongPower
08-13-2016, 01:30 PM
My latest translated article on TTD. Ovtcharov: "The full focus is now on the team" http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/content.php?1083-Dimitrij-Ovtcharov-We-Are-Ready-For-The-Team-Event-In-Rio!

UpSideDownCarl
08-13-2016, 01:58 PM
Article in the nytimes talking about the players disatisfaction with the DHS balls in Rio.


please provide! any kind of information about olympics (especially "backstage" incidents) is always interesting

Here is the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/sports/olympics/table-tennnis-ball-changes-rio-games.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

The New York Times article has various interviews with players about the plastic ball problems in Rio including Gionis Panagioitis, Timo Boll, Li Ping,

Li Ping who quotes, "I think this ball is very bad,”

Timo Boll quotes, “I think many players are complaining because we have better balls, there are better balls on the market”

Panagiotis Gionis quotes, "This is not good; this is unprofessional,”

The article finished with Timo Boll expressing, “I’m sure they want to produce now a better ball because they’re getting a lot of criticism,” Boll said. “It would have been nice if it was before the Olympic Games.”.

NextLevel
08-13-2016, 06:55 PM
(TL-Note: The german sports system is really harsh. If they don t achieve at least 1 medal the budget cut is serious. The future is also not bright. In 2020 pretty much only Ovcharov is strong enough to be able to win a medal. 2024 is going to be even worse depending on how much of a force Ovcharov still is. But there are promising talents for 2028 or maybe some other player step up thier game at lot but i doubt that. So it would be really important for the future of german table tennis to win a medal in the team competition)


I wish more people appreciated this when saying things like there should be 3 Chinese in the Olympics singles.

eyepop
08-13-2016, 07:32 PM
I wish more people appreciated this when saying things like there should be 3 Chinese in the Olympics singles.

I wasn't aware of that fact. Actually, I've learned a lot since I started participating in this forum more actively.
Still, knowing the outcome of this year's singles event, participation of 3 Chinese players wouldn't change the fact that 2 German top players were eliminated by non-Chinese, right?
Anyway, I really hope Germans win a medal, if only for the sake of German table tennis.

NextLevel
08-13-2016, 09:26 PM
I wasn't aware of that fact. Actually, I've learned a lot since I started participating in this forum more actively.
Still, knowing the outcome of this year's singles event, participation of 3 Chinese players wouldn't change the fact that 2 German top players were eliminated by non-Chinese, right?
Anyway, I really hope Germans win a medal, if only for the sake of German table tennis.

Which is why other countries like Germany have thin room for error. The people who do Olympic budgeting don't look at those details. They just say that there is no medal so they cut the budget. I remember them refusing to send Germans in tennis because they didn't expect medals.

Tony's Table Tennis
08-13-2016, 09:40 PM
Which is why other countries like Germany have thin room for error. The people who do Olympic budgeting don't look at those details. They just say that there is no medal so they cut the budget. I remember them refusing to send Germans in tennis because they didn't expect medals.

That is why I say, limiting Chinese is not solving your problem out, is it?
Chinese from 3 to 2, 2 to 1, or simply Chinese don't play TT any more, Will NOT solve world table tennis problem which is all based on a national TT body problem from foundation level.

If Germany only rely on less Chinese playing to get a medal, then simply Germany is not improving.
It should rather be, bring on all Chinese, and Germany can win Gold
This should be the focus, not limiting them.

For the sake of Olympic Medals, I truly believe table tennis is big enough of a sport to have more than 4 gold medals.
This should be the solution (not making it less).
I recall it was 5 Gold before with 2 x Singles, 2 x Doubles and 1 x mixed doubles.
I think it should be 7 Gold medals, with the above 5 and adding the teams in.
This should help the sport and medal count

NextLevel
08-13-2016, 10:02 PM
That is why I say, limiting Chinese is not solving your problem out, is it?
Chinese from 3 to 2, 2 to 1, or simply Chinese don't play TT any more, Will NOT solve world table tennis problem which is all based on a national TT body problem from foundation level.

If Germany only rely on less Chinese playing to get a medal, then simply Germany is not improving.
It should rather be, bring on all Chinese, and Germany can win Gold
This should be the focus, not limiting them.

For the sake of Olympic Medals, I truly believe table tennis is big enough of a sport to have more than 4 gold medals.
This should be the solution (not making it less).
I recall it was 5 Gold before with 2 x Singles, 2 x Doubles and 1 x mixed doubles.
I think it should be 7 Gold medals, with the above 5 and adding the teams in.
This should help the sport and medal count

Whatever event you create, you have to limit the number of national entries into it. If creating more events allows for that sure. But it solved the problem in 2012 for Ovtcharov and in 2016 for Mizutani. Anyone who is pretending it did not solve the problem is just trying to be blind. The problem is not playing TT more. The problem is budgeting tied to Olympic performance. Other events do it as well.

Tony's Table Tennis
08-13-2016, 10:11 PM
Whatever event you create, you have to limit the number of national entries into it. If creating more events allows for that sure. But it solved the problem in 2012 for Ovtcharov and in 2016 for Mizutani. Anyone who is pretending it did not solve the problem is just trying to be blind. The problem is not playing TT more. The problem is budgeting tied to Olympic performance. Other events do it as well.

Trying to solve the solution by limiting your opponents to face you is blind in the brain.
It is running away from the fact that you are simply not good enough to face competition.
The earlier people realize this, the sooner there will be a solution

Remember, table tennis is table tennis
Olympic is just a tournament
How was life prior 88?
In many sporting codes, Olympic did not showcase the top players.
Some don't want to go
Some are too pro to go (as Olympic is more for amateurs), some are too old to take part (U23 in football)

If your country only relies on NOC budget for table tennis, then trust me, your country is screwed for sure

How my brain works does differ to yours.
I see Football not in the Olympics, and they are the biggest sports.
I see Basketball not really fun in the Olympics, but they have NBA
I see baseball no where in the Olympics, but there are lots of pro leagues in the world
Olympic to me is not the saviour to table tennis, but its rules will hurt the sport

NextLevel
08-13-2016, 10:28 PM
Trying to solve the solution by limiting your opponents to face you is blind in the brain.
It is running away from the fact that you are simply not good enough to face competition.
The earlier people realize this, the sooner there will be a solution

Remember, table tennis is table tennis
Olympic is just a tournament
How was life prior 88?
In many sporting codes, Olympic did not showcase the top players.
Some don't want to go
Some are too pro to go (as Olympic is more for amateurs), some are too old to take part (U23 in football)

If your country only relies on NOC budget for table tennis, then trust me, your country is screwed for sure

How my brain works does differ to yours.
I see Football not in the Olympics, and they are the biggest sports.
I see Basketball not really fun in the Olympics, but they have NBA
I see baseball no where in the Olympics, but there are lots of pro leagues in the world
Olympic to me is not the saviour to table tennis, but its rules will hurt the sport

Sure, because you are always thinking about China. All the American sports you listed are team sports where there is only one country per sport (by the way, they would all love to be in the Olympics). In just about every individual sport out there, there is a limit of some kind on individual participants once the medals are dominated by a single country. Table tennis is no different. You don't need an Olympic event to save you, but it gives people a chance to see events they don't look at all the time, especially when their country advances deep and has a chance to medal.

Tony's Table Tennis
08-13-2016, 10:37 PM
Sure, because you are always thinking about China. All the American sports you listed are team sports where there is only one country per sport (by the way, they would all love to be in the Olympics). In just about every individual sport out there, there is a limit of some kind on individual participants once the medals are dominated by a single country. Table tennis is no different. You don't need an Olympic event to save you, but it gives people a chance to see events they don't look at all the time, especially when their country advances deep and has a chance to medal.

I am always thinking about China - no you are wrong again
Individual Sport limitation - yes you are right, and all other sports are also complaining of this limitation, so this is not unique to table tennis, but a whole problem from IOC vs sporting codes.
Maybe Olympic should just stop all individuals and just focus on team events for everything, then there is no more argument.
Honestly speaking, Olympic is just overhype money making tournament.
Who actually benefits from all these costs?

Now lets come back to table tennis, if you truly think getting a medal will save table tennis in your country, then you are very wrong.

Go and look at table tennis history and see all those years of winners and you can understand how table tennis can be strong in all countries,

My argument stands - If your country only relies on NOC budget for table tennis, then trust me, your country is screwed for sure

NextLevel
08-13-2016, 10:39 PM
I am always thinking about China - no you are wrong again
Individual Sport limitation - yes you are right, and all other sports are also complaining of this limitation, so this is not unique to table tennis, but a whole problem from IOC vs sporting codes.
Maybe Olympic should just stop all individuals and just focus on team events for everything, then there is no more argument.
Honestly speaking, Olympic is just overhype money making tournament.
Who actually benefits from all these costs?

Now lets come back to table tennis, if you truly think getting a medal will save table tennis in your country, then you are very wrong.

Go and look at table tennis history and see all those years of winners and you can understand how table tennis can be strong in all countries,

My argument stands - If your country only relies on NOC budget for table tennis, then trust me, your country is screwed for sure

The argument is silly. Remove the word "only", and the silliness of the argument reveals itself.

Tony's Table Tennis
08-13-2016, 10:45 PM
The argument is silly. Remove the word "only", and the silliness of the argument reveals itself.

If your country relies on NOC budget for table tennis, then trust me, your country is screwed for sure
equally screwed

You may think my knowledge and focus is China.
I coach in South Africa, i'ved coached in Namibia
I've been to Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, England, France, Singapore, Hong Kong, Philippines, Taiwan, Australia and i've analysis all the success vs failures for table tennis there, and I see that NOC for table tennis is not the solution for our sport.

What is your argument on why medal is the solution for table tennis?
Looking forward to your enlightenment

NextLevel
08-14-2016, 04:51 AM
If your country relies on NOC budget for table tennis, then trust me, your country is screwed for sure
equally screwed

You may think my knowledge and focus is China.
I coach in South Africa, i'ved coached in Namibia
I've been to Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, England, France, Singapore, Hong Kong, Philippines, Taiwan, Australia and i've analysis all the success vs failures for table tennis there, and I see that NOC for table tennis is not the solution for our sport.

What is your argument on why medal is the solution for table tennis?
Looking forward to your enlightenment


Why a solution? Why not simply a concession to how many countries budget for the Olympics? The biggest stage for TT right now is the Olympics. IT is also true for gymnastics and a host of other events. If you want only teams to play that is fine. If you do not want to make any concessions to the realities of funding, feel free to feel sorry for Xu Xin.

Tony's Table Tennis
08-14-2016, 08:58 AM
Based on your theory NL,
So 12 medals, say MAX 12 countries can get medals (other than China), you are saying only 12 countries will get good funding for table tennis.
So what about the other (close to) 200 countries? All screwed?

And now lets look at the medal countries:

<thead>
Nation

1896–1984
88 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis_at_the_1988_Summer_Olympics)
92 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis_at_the_1992_Summer_Olympics)
96 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis_at_the_1996_Summer_Olympics)
00 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis_at_the_2000_Summer_Olympics)
04 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis_at_the_2004_Summer_Olympics)
08 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics)
12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_tennis_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics)
Total

</thead><tbody>
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg/44px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg.png China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_at_the_Olympics) (CHN)


5
6
8
8
6
8
6
47


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Flag_of_Chinese_Taipei_for_Olympic_games.svg/44px-Flag_of_Chinese_Taipei_for_Olympic_games.svg.png Chinese Taipei (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Taipei_at_the_Olympics) (TPE)




1
1



2


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Flag_of_Denmark.svg/44px-Flag_of_Denmark.svg.png Denmark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_at_the_Olympics) (DEN)





1


1


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/44px-Flag_of_France.svg.png France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_at_the_Olympics) (FRA)


1

1



2


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/44px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_at_the_Olympics) (GER)


1
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Where are they (the country) after they got the medal?

Look at your team USA for example - how much of everything was based on NOC other than the actual trip to Rio?
CCY did not rely on NOC of Chinese Taipei to get to where he is today
JO Waldner and Sweden's success did not rely on Olympic medal
South Korea's 88 had no olympic medal success prior.

So your view is totally off if you even ask - how many countries budget for the Olympics.
It should be how many countries budget for Table Tennis
And based on the "team sports" I mentioned, table tennis professionally is also a team sport.
How does your Fifa leagues, NBA, NHL, MLB, Chinese table tennis Super league + Korean Leagues + Japan Leagues + European Super Leagues, all survive? Its called clubs (teams), linked with corporate sponsorship.
That is how sports work - make it pro and it becomes a career path.

If you think NOC and IOC is the savoir of making table tennis budget improve, then you are really living in your own fantasy world (and in the way, brainwashed by ITTF to say limiting Chinese chance of medals is the best for the sport). As a person with both parents being doctors of TCM, my view is to fix the root of the problem, not just to address the symptoms. Chinese domination is not the root of the problem, otherwise how did we get pass USA, Sweden, Japanese domination? Today China is dominating, tomorrow it could be Germany, then it could be South Korea....

NOC and IOC may only benefit a limited (individual) few and that is normally after all the years and money spent on development. So who is going to pay for the development before they have a chance to become title holders? The Olympic Medal?
In most countries, if your sport has a chance to the medal - the sport federation doesn't necessary benefit, it is the player that benefits. Becoz of a Dima, it won't all of a sudden give all German juniors more funding and even if it does, why can't we make tt become a NBA where each player can fund a whole team based on net worths?