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TTLondon2012
07-23-2016, 08:44 AM
NEW: Zhang Jike - Olympic Training for Rio 2016!

Watch also:

Ma Long's Rio Olympic Training Video. (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?13483-New-2016-Ma-Long-Rio-Olympic-Training!)
Xu Xin and Fan Zhendong's Rio Olympic Training Video. (http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?13477-New-2016-Xu-Xin-amp-Fan-Zhendong-Olympic-Training)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXNKE8TxFl8

massa
07-23-2016, 03:21 PM
Ah ah, Liu and Cai are a big f**k :D

ttmonster
07-23-2016, 06:30 PM
A great video, it will be very interesting to know what the coaches , liu and cai are telling him during the training , can any mandarin speakers please volunteer ?

Tryzerlol
07-23-2016, 08:04 PM
Whatever they were talking about when it came to the heavy forehand loops on the serve, he didn't seem pleased with it.

I can't quite place it, but ZJK just has this permanent look of dissatisfaction, perma-pissed mimique. I bet he's a nice guy tho :D

ttmonster
07-24-2016, 02:08 AM
I don't know for sure but observing him for quite a while my guess is he has that Agassi syndrome. He has some kind of a love hate relationship with the sport and thats what makes his reactions so difficult to read .
I agree , you could see that he had a permanent smirk on his face when LGL was showing him the forehand loop, and imagine he is the head coach.
We don't know the reason for the smirk. And , ZJK was thrown out of the team for disrespecting the coach not too long back , so he definitely has a history of bad behavior by chinese cultural standards.

But what I like about the guy is that he is a rebel, and he has guts. Its not easy to come back twice to the CNT after being thrown out, its not easy to make most of whatever chances he has got to win big titles , so he definitely deserves a lot more credit that he gets, especially after that ridiculous gaffe ITTF did with his kicking ad boards, the most punishment was to either ban him from playing a couple of tournaments or giving him a last warning, taking away the prize money and then going on and on about the decision in social media was in bad taste. But I guess its the kind of relationship that ZJK wants with the sport, and thats what keeps the fire in the belly going.

from the looks of the above video, he is definitely looking a lot sharper and there could be trouble in ma long's paradise if ZJK can reach the final injury free ...


Whatever they were talking about when it came to the heavy forehand loops on the serve, he didn't seem pleased with it.

I can't quite place it, but ZJK just has this permanent look of dissatisfaction, perma-pissed mimique. I bet he's a nice guy tho :D

smahajan
07-24-2016, 02:40 AM
I think he is telling JK to not go too much down. And take the topspin right off the bounce.
My guess. I don't know chinese :)

ttmonster
07-24-2016, 03:34 AM
Of course, that my guess too ... but you cannot help but be inquisitive when you see Cai Zhenhua and Liu guoliang showing Zhang Jike technique ...

I think he is telling JK to not go too much down. And take the topspin right off the bounce.
My guess. I don't know chinese :)

TTFrenzy
07-24-2016, 09:39 AM
Of course, that my guess too ... but you cannot help but be inquisitive when you see Cai Zhenhua and Liu guoliang showing Zhang Jike technique ...


why not? cai produced LGL kong linghui etc and LGL produced ML WH ZJK etc , of course everybody learned the basics in their provinces, but there is always room for technique refining. You could see ZJK was doubtful in the beginning but later somehow seems to accept what LGL was telling

Michal_Z
07-24-2016, 02:30 PM
For me it was really interresting to watch the attitude that ZJK has during LGL showing him stuff.
But look at him how it changed, when the other guy came. Cai Zhenhua?
Well it was like - Okay, this one is here, now I have to really listen and do what I have to do.
It was like he has very little respect for LGL but huuuge respect to Cai.
Watch the video, you will see it. Watch whole energy that came from ZJK during LGL and the change after Cai came in..

ttmonster
07-24-2016, 02:42 PM
I saw that too ... its more like , come on you are short pips penholder why are you try to to show me a shake hand stroke .. for LGL .... but Cai is the deputy Director of State General Administration of Sports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_General_Administration_of_Sports) and the president of the Chinese Football Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Football_Association), the Chinese Badminton Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Badminton_Association) and the Chinese Table Tennis Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Table_Tennis_Association), so ZJK has to t show respect . That part I get, but I was more interested in what actually they are telling ZJK , I think , that he is dropping his paddle and thats why he is not able to adjust to different balls ... but just wanted a confirmation if some mandarin speakers take an interest....

on second thoughts it might well be along the lines , they never show me anything , now that this is a video that is going to get released everybody is here ... with ZJK you never know whats going on inside his brain ..

For me it was really interresting to watch the attitude that ZJK has during LGL showing him stuff.
But look at him how it changed, when the other guy came. Cai Zhenhua?
Well it was like - Okay, this one is here, now I have to really listen and do what I have to do.
It was like he has very little respect for LGL but huuuge respect to Cai.
Watch the video, you will see it. Watch whole energy that came from ZJK during LGL and the change after Cai came in..

TurboZ
07-24-2016, 02:46 PM
After watching this my confidence on ZJK is back! See how he get all the support from top down! :o

Michal_Z
07-24-2016, 05:12 PM
I saw that too ... its more like , come on you are short pips penholder why are you try to to show me a shake hand stroke .. for LGL .... but Cai is the deputy Director of State General Administration of Sports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_General_Administration_of_Sports) and the president of the Chinese Football Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Football_Association), the Chinese Badminton Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Badminton_Association) and the Chinese Table Tennis Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Table_Tennis_Association), so ZJK has to t show respect . That part I get, but I was more interested in what actually they are telling ZJK , I think , that he is dropping his paddle and thats why he is not able to adjust to different balls ... but just wanted a confirmation if some mandarin speakers take an interest....

on second thoughts it might well be along the lines , they never show me anything , now that this is a video that is going to get released everybody is here ... with ZJK you never know whats going on inside his brain ..

For me it was really interresting to watch the attitude that ZJK has during LGL showing him stuff.
But look at him how it changed, when the other guy came. Cai Zhenhua?
Well it was like - Okay, this one is here, now I have to really listen and do what I have to do.
It was like he has very little respect for LGL but huuuge respect to Cai.
Watch the video, you will see it. Watch whole energy that came from ZJK during LGL and the change after Cai came in..


Well that explains a lot to me!
Because I really thought when Cai came in, that.. it was like Zhang became smaller..
That Cai has to be a big one in China. Now your words confirmed it :)
So - even though Zhang is a rebel, he knows where to stop ;)

ajtatosmano2
07-24-2016, 06:26 PM
I think LGL care about him a lot. They might had/have some problems, but he is LGL's own tt child. And LGL wants the best to him.
At 3:02 the problem was that ZJ's first backhand was a punchblock without much topspin (the second also was more like a powerdrive than loop), so it isn't the most efficient way. They are perfectionists.
I don't see ZJ being unrespectful with LGL. He understand what's wrong at the first time, but LGL wanted to show him, what didn't succeeded that well. ZJ smiled on that. They are like a family, so no problem. But with Cai is different, show no attention and seriousness would be totally impolite.

TTFrenzy
07-24-2016, 08:22 PM
I saw that too ... its more like , come on you are short pips penholder why are you try to to show me a shake hand stroke .. for LGL .... but Cai is the deputy Director of State General Administration of Sports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_General_Administration_of_Sports) and the president of the Chinese Football Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Football_Association), the Chinese Badminton Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Badminton_Association) and the Chinese Table Tennis Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Table_Tennis_Association), so ZJK has to t show respect . That part I get, but I was more interested in what actually they are telling ZJK , I think , that he is dropping his paddle and thats why he is not able to adjust to different balls ... but just wanted a confirmation if some mandarin speakers take an interest....

on second thoughts it might well be along the lines , they never show me anything , now that this is a video that is going to get released everybody is here ... with ZJK you never know whats going on inside his brain ..



playing with short pips doesnt have anything to do with it. Its about understanding technique, LGL was a crappy rally player but he understands technique and knows how to show, as for Cai yeah all of this is true, he is even "feared" by the players as they are simple soldiers and he is something like a general, since they have military systems in everything

p.s. besides LGL wasnbt just another short pips players ,he brought innovations in the game . Especially on serving

ZJK
07-24-2016, 10:18 PM
playing with short pips doesnt have anything to do with it. Its about understanding technique, LGL was a crappy rally player but he understands technique and knows how to show, as for Cai yeah all of this is true, he is even "feared" by the players as they are simple soldiers and he is something like a general, since they have military systems in everything

p.s. besides LGL wasnbt just another short pips players ,he brought innovations in the game . Especially on serving

Exactly this. You can't compare a person as player and as coach. I think since LGL is head-coach of chinese men Team, they have won every big tournament. It seems like he has a huge knowledge about the sport and how to play every ball perfectly, even though he hasn't play this "perfect" technique himself.

I just like how the top chinese players are training like machines with the best techniques but LGL always shows them something to improve. I think they are never 100% satisfied with their performance.

ttmonster
07-24-2016, 10:47 PM
Guys, please read my previous posts in the same thread, I was trying to guess what was going through ZJK's mind when he was smirking as LGL was showing him the stroke.

I was not criticizing or comparing anybody ... there is no question about ZJK, LGL or Cai Zhenhua's credentials , but personally I thinkg LGL has brought a lot of progress may be more than Cai ...

NextLevel
07-25-2016, 12:07 AM
The thing I noticed the most in this video was the choice of opponent/training partner. Lefty shakehand. Definitely not an accident.

I also wonder what was being said. Maybe the audio was taken out. I think to understand what was being said, one might have to watch the recent matches against Hao Shuai and Chen Chien An to understand why they think ZJK gets into trouble with his approach. It's kinda hard to believe that ZJK'S approach is really deficient but I also suspect that ZJK really believes in his spin and sometimes takes forehands later than he should if he had say Ma Long's approach.

But this is just blind me trying to make sense of what I see.

TTFrenzy
07-25-2016, 12:32 AM
In the XX's olympic video a few people translated XX advice to ZJK and they are definitely preparing him for koki niwa and chen chien an . I dont know about hte olympic seedings but assuming on the world ranking if everything goes smooth he will face koki in round of 16 and maybe chen chien an earlier

ttmonster
07-25-2016, 03:36 AM
+1 @NextLevel : He totally does that and with his bad back he seems to be avoiding any wide forehand forehand exchange. We saw how they made him start using his forehand flick more to stop him from moving so much. I also noticed the choice of training partner , same as what they put him up against in the warm up match , Hao Shuai and he got run over ...

My guess is also that they are asking him to judge the ball better and if possible flick it , if not , loop it earlier and not wait for it to come out because with the predisposition you said it takes the flip out of the equation and he might end up pushing it or make a lame loop. we have seen a that his opening loop does not have the same bit as with the celluloid ball and it gets counter looped more now.

@TTFrenzy : Now you got me curious , where is that translation, if you please ... ?


In the XX's olympic video a few people translated XX advice to ZJK and they are definitely preparing him for koki niwa and chen chien an . I dont know about hte olympic seedings but assuming on the world ranking if everything goes smooth he will face koki in round of 16 and maybe chen chien an earlier

TTFrenzy
07-25-2016, 04:04 AM
check the comments below


Eddy Wong (https://www.youtube.com/user/promiseyou0060)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zlfXFSvE4&lc=z124envinlirthk4u04cejfwomavcnypdec"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zlfXFSvE4&t=157s" Xu Xin: Niwa Koki..... and Chen Chien An, they are good are back hand flick (when close to table), they are all speedy player. (Xu is analysing to Zhang to be alert to the back hand flick when face left hand player, maybe it is because Zhang losed to Chen previously, and also losed some points for this type of defence of fore hand )?

ttmonster
07-25-2016, 04:36 AM
Thank you TTFrenzy !!

Nico269
07-25-2016, 10:05 AM
In the video, featured in this thread, they are preparing him for Ma Long.

fais
07-25-2016, 12:57 PM
Whatever they were talking about when it came to the heavy forehand loops on the serve, he didn't seem pleased with it.

I can't quite place it, but ZJK just has this permanent look of dissatisfaction, perma-pissed mimique. I bet he's a nice guy tho :D

I believe the "technical term" for it is RBF, or Resting Bitch Face. :-P

Tryzerlol
07-25-2016, 01:37 PM
It's so accurate it's scary - He'd be a serial killer if looks could kill ;)

ttmonster
07-25-2016, 04:02 PM
well he is one , from his trophy collection and the fact that li shiwen fell for him at one point :)
It's so accurate it's scary - He'd be a serial killer if looks could kill ;)

Sali
07-26-2016, 08:07 AM
In my opinion it is very obvious what they try to do with ZJK play. I think he is the on from china who plays very close to the table, that is why he was working on his legs for a long time. But now since he is not so young any more, he cannot be that fast like before. If you examine his game he usually open up with BH flick. He almost never uses FH flick. So when his opponent serve to his FH, ZJK move there with his BH and flick the ball. Hao Shuai used this strategy, that is why he won quite easily. So he played to ZJK FH, ZJK flick the ball and Hao counter it to ZJK's BH corner. So he made ZJK run.
Liu Guoliang is great strategy coach and I think he wanted to show other way how to treat with FH serves. ZJK was very resistant to it so LGL wanted to show him what is the idea. Since he is not coach for basic strokes, he asked his friend to show ZJK what he meant.

Imran Sayyed
07-27-2016, 12:28 PM
Can't wait to see him perform in Rio. He is working superhard to defeat ma long. That shots are so damn accurate

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Siva Schopenhauer
07-27-2016, 07:36 PM
Did ZJK lose against Hao Shuai in that match where he was trailing behind 2 sets and Did they set up artificial rain to save the face of LGL and Cai.

Once LGL told that he got ****ed by Cai for iliicilty escaping the training academy for Alcohol after winning some major tournament. I think the same would happen to ZJK if he lost to any foreigner.

Cai, the Impaler on the run, watch out :D

TTFrenzy
07-28-2016, 01:43 AM
Did ZJK lose against Hao Shuai in that match where he was trailing behind 2 sets and Did they set up artificial rain to save the face of LGL and Cai.

Once LGL told that he got ****ed by Cai for iliicilty escaping the training academy for Alcohol after winning some major tournament. I think the same would happen to ZJK if he lost to any foreigner.

Cai, the Impaler on the run, watch out :D


conspiracy theories...the game ended and victory was given to HS. why interrupt it when zjk has just won a game? its matches for preparation

TurboZ
07-28-2016, 05:03 AM
ZJK and Hao Shuai did finish the fifth set in another table without broadcasting and ZJK lost it 6:11 so the final score is 1:4.