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TableTennisDaily
07-28-2016, 03:27 PM
How impressive is this! The drop shot executed to absolute perfection by Yijun 'Tom' Feng!

Who's going to try practice this shot now? :)

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Matt Hetherington
07-28-2016, 03:31 PM
It was insane. He has such good touch. I have been with the team for over a month now working all the media for USATT and staying with the team as they train for Rio. They have been giving it everything, a really amazing team to work with!

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 03:42 PM
What club is that?

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 03:43 PM
Seriously Dan, I can do this closing my eyes. It is so easy and high

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 03:45 PM
I will try to get it much better than this with harder balls in my nest training session. Actually, I practising the 2nd ball placement inspired from latest ZJK's training video. This looks like baby stuff

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 03:45 PM
Seriously Dan, I can do this closing my eyes. It is so easy and high

Good to know.;)

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 03:48 PM
Good to know.;)

Is this an emotional incitement?

I think like 90% of TTD members can do better than that :)

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 03:49 PM
Is this an emotional incitement?

I think like 90% of TTD members can do better than that :)

I think that 90% of TTD members cannot produce the quality of the ball he is training against.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 03:53 PM
I think that 90% of TTD members cannot produce the quality of the ball he is training against.

U mean the slow high toss one pitch ball?

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 03:54 PM
I think there are doing it for fun and relaxation :)

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 03:56 PM
U mean the slow high toss one pitch ball?

Yes. The player feeding it is a former US National Champs runner-up so his touch and hand speed is the kind of thing a player without such abilities will not notice. The spin he is putting on the ball might actually make the drop shot easier depending on technique, but in any case, I await your video doing the same with consistency and precision. You are likely missing a lot of subtle details like the amount of backspin on the ball.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 04:02 PM
Yes. The player feeding it is a former US National Champs runner-up so his touch and hand speed is the kind of thing a player without such abilities will not notice. The spin he is putting on the ball might actually make the drop shot easier depending on technique, but in any case, I await your video doing the same with consistency and precision. You are likely missing a lot of subtle details like the amount of backspin on the ball.

Since I am aware of dorm room table tennis, I apologise for my ignorance on whom we are dealing with. Neverthless, the Jugaad Return table of mine is Quite unpredictable, has myirad of touches :D

I will go for topspin- backspin reaction ball as feed and get it done much faster and better in a heartbeat.
For consistency, I have to pick my 6 balls from the ground in the middle, that would be undesirable. Neverthless if hyou wish that can be done as well

Matt Hetherington
07-28-2016, 04:03 PM
Do you feel like a better player now for letting us all know that this is baby stuff and you can do better?

I'm tired of reading this kind of stuff all the time. People are working hard to produce media content and insiders on their training and tournaments and all they get met with is negative feedback.

Go out and film yourself doing this with a blindfold. Seriously, they are waiting for you over on reddit.

Boogar
07-28-2016, 04:04 PM
Seriously Dan, I can do this closing my eyes. It is so easy and high

Are you joking lol.... I doubt you could do this on such a ball...
And just you know the ball being this high is part of why its so hard to play this shot.

Dan
07-28-2016, 04:06 PM
Seriously Dan, I can do this closing my eyes. It is so easy and high

Looking forward to your video Siva, I am going to give this a go in the training hall tomorrow, this is not easy I am sure about that! :)

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 04:07 PM
Do you feel like a better player now for letting us all know that this is baby stuff and you can do better?

I'm tired of reading this kind of stuff all the time. People are working hard to produce media content and insiders on their training and tournaments and all they get met with is negative feedback.

Go out and film yourself doing this with a blindfold. Seriously, they are waiting for you over on reddit.

Matt,

What club was this filmed at?

Matt Hetherington
07-28-2016, 04:09 PM
Matt,

What club was this filmed at?

This is Texas Table Tennis Training Center in Houston, TX. The team are doing their final preparation there, 3 more days then they head to Rio.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 04:11 PM
Do you feel like a better player now for letting us all know that this is baby stuff and you can do better?

I'm tired of reading this kind of stuff all the time. People are working hard to produce media content and insiders on their training and tournaments and all they get met with is negative feedback.

Go out and film yourself doing this with a blindfold. Seriously, they are waiting for you over on reddit.

Hey Matt, I appreciate what you mean. It is incredibly hard to create good content. Like everyone has a opinion, it doesnlt look that hard to my eyes. May be on the field lets see.

Everybody comments on the stuff I do, just like what I said now.

I am definitely not a good player compared to many over here and that is not the point of concern regarding the post. It was just it didnt look so insane to my eyes

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 04:13 PM
Are you joking lol.... I doubt you could do this on such a ball...
And just you know the ball being this high is part of why its so hard to play this shot.

I am not joking. Actually height doesnt make any difference here because it provides the extra time for him to reach the ball at the contact. It would be much harder do them on a low arc ball. The second point is there is no spin in the ball.

If not I am blind probably

Boogar
07-28-2016, 04:15 PM
I am not joking. Actually height doesnt make any difference here because it provides the extra time for him to reach the ball at the contact. It would be much harder do them on a low arc ball. The second point is there is no spin in the ball.

If not I am blind probably

You are blind then

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 04:19 PM
You are blind then

Whatever that means, I ll try my best.

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 04:26 PM
Whatever that means, I ll try my best.


Seriously. You think that all the backspin that the penholder is putting on the ball is coming from the Penholder's drop shot? You don't think some of that has to have come from the topspin from the feeder?

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 04:29 PM
Seriously. You think that all the backspin that the penholder is putting on the ball is coming from the Penholder's drop shot? You don't think some of that has to have come from the topspin from the feeder?

Naturally it does, but doesn't change the difficult level. You should give a try as well and post it. I believe you will ace it

JediJesseS
07-28-2016, 04:29 PM
Anyone saying this is an easy shot is betraying how little experience they actually have. Great precision, timing, and touch are needed; great video!

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 04:31 PM
Naturally it does, but doesn't change the difficult level. You should give a try as well and post it. I believe you will ace it

OF course I will give it a try. But I already know enough to know how hard this is. I already fight to get backspin pushes double bounce short and coming back towards the net. I won't pretend to able to do the same with a topspin ball. Will also need to find a quality feeder for practice.

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 04:33 PM
Naturally it does, but doesn't change the difficult level. You should give a try as well and post it. I believe you will ace it


Part of the reason why I am happy you posted this stuff is that it helps people see the subtle things people can miss about table tennis without the right experience to understand them.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 04:37 PM
Part of the reason why I am happy you posted this stuff is that it helps people see the subtle things people can miss about table tennis without the right experience to understand them.

More power to you Sir

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 04:53 PM
More power to you Sir

It's not about power at all, Sir. There are probably two kinds of critics of your videos - people who are like you when you watch this video, who do not know what technical details go into what you do and then think it is easy, and then people who are like me watching you, who can see the technical details but find them fairly rudimentary compared to what really excites us. Those of us who play competitive TT at a high intermediate level are just pickier about the missing technical details when you imitate strokes. People who look at my game give me the same kinds of criticisms all the time. In a couple of years, you will likely know more about how little you really know. I go through that all the time. Looking at the spin of the ball coming off the table is the kind of thing that should tell you how hard this really is. But since you don't push short in matches or serve short, I am sure it's largely moot.

UpSideDownCarl
07-28-2016, 06:16 PM
Neverthless, the Jugaad Return table of mine is Quite unpredictable, has myirad of touches.

Wait...you want to make a video of you doing a drop shot off a ball that comes to you off a coffee table laying sideways on your basement TT table and compare it to a real shot vs a high quality ball????

Have you guys seen any of the videos of Siva hitting the ball off the coffee table and looping? Worth the watch. You will be entertained. But I doubt you will think his "return board" is giving him a quality ball to practice against.

Or wait....check out the skillz....Siva Roller vs Fan Zhendong under the net roller. You decide who is better!!!


https://youtu.be/5iBJDJkt-f8

Oh the lulz. Where is Der_Echte and the anti goon squad patrol when you need them.



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Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 06:24 PM
Wait...you want to make a video of you doing a drop shot off a ball that comes to you off a coffee table laying sideways on your basement TT table and compare it to a real shot vs a high quality ball????

Have you guys seen any of the videos of Siva hitting the ball off the coffee table and looping? Worth the watch. You will be entertained. But I doubt you will think his "return board" is giving him a quality ball to practice against.

Or wait....check out the skillz....Siva Roller vs Fan Zhendong under the net roller. You decide who is better!!!


https://youtu.be/5iBJDJkt-f8

Oh the lulz. Where is Der_Echte and the anti goon squad patrol when you need them.



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You don't understand the power of the coffee table. The surface is perfected to imperfection. Der Tisch is unpredictable than a woman

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 06:28 PM
Wait...you want to make a video of you doing a drop shot off a ball that comes to you off a coffee table laying sideways on your basement TT table and compare it to a real shot vs a high quality ball????

Have you guys seen any of the videos of Siva hitting the ball off the coffee table and looping? Worth the watch. You will be entertained. But I doubt you will think his "return board" is giving him a quality ball to practice against.

Or wait....check out the skillz....Siva Roller vs Fan Zhendong under the net roller. You decide who is better!!!


https://youtu.be/5iBJDJkt-f8

Oh the lulz. Where is Der_Echte and the anti goon squad patrol when you need them.



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The only other way it works is Either of us should meet by flying and then we can get the direct confirmation of what can be done when you know how it is done

Archosaurus
07-28-2016, 06:36 PM
Shut the **** up Siva. You're REALLY sounding like me right now.



:rolleyes:

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 06:40 PM
Shut the **** up Siva. You're REALLY sounding like me right now.



:rolleyes:

The old ones are wise but they behave like they know everything but they are just bitching around. I no shut my mouth until the ones shut up

Archosaurus
07-28-2016, 06:51 PM
Siva, look.

I'm complete shit in the grand scale of things, but even I have done enough dropshots to know just how hard this is. Even I can see how much topspin is on the ball he is getting.

I hope you understand that if you were to try this, you would have to use up at least a few hours of having the ball jump up at a 45deg angle and fly into the next room before you could get it to go low, and then it would not even be short, it would be fast and long.

Your touch is a lot better than mine, you should know better. I'm just going to assume you're ****ing with us.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 06:52 PM
Siva, look.

I'm complete shit in the grand scale of things, but even I have done enough dropshots to know just how hard this is. Even I can see how much topspin is on the ball he is getting.

I hope you understand that if you were to try this, you would have to use up at least a few hours of having the ball jump up at a 45deg angle and fly into the next room before you could get it to go low, and then it would not even be short, it would be fast and long.

Your touch is a lot better than mine, you should know better. I'm just going to assume you're ****ing with us.

Lol, ofc sometimes Ja

Archosaurus
07-28-2016, 06:53 PM
I think he's had one a too many. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously right now, he has a bit too much blood in his alcohol stream.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 07:00 PM
I think he's had one a too many. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously right now, he has a bit too much blood in his alcohol stream.

About whom are you speaking :D I dont understand

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 07:41 PM
I think he's had one a too many. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously right now, he has a bit too much blood in his alcohol stream.

Yes, it's fairly obvious he is trolling. But if he truly believes that most people who criticize his videos are complaining in a similarly ignorant fashion to what he is caricaturing here, then he should get to know his critics better.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 07:45 PM
Hey Guys, I apologise I didnt look the video properly last time there is a lot of top spin with each ball into the ball, I was carried away, I was actually blind. That comes with madness as well. But, Neverthless, it should not be difficult to anyone who is training for US National Team.

It just makes me wonder because the serve is gonna have so many variations and it is absolutely mandatory to keep them close to the net height to not loose the advantage. So that doesnt suprise me. I dont know how to react I see it as a normal practise for them. Correct me if I am wrong

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 07:46 PM
I think he's had one a too many. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously right now, he has a bit too much blood in his alcohol stream.


he has a bit too much blood in his alcohol stream.

That a nice one Archo

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 07:48 PM
Yes, it's fairly obvious he is trolling. But if he truly believes that most people who criticize his videos are complaining in a similarly ignorant fashion to what he is caricaturing here, then he should get to know his critics better.
NL you were right about the topspin, I submit. Didnt take a look just was focussing on the receivers wrist. It is k to get criticized when you want to do anything, How to get to know you guys better? :D

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 07:50 PM
I am 100% sure I can do this trick with whether it is a dining table or some one feeding or Robot. I believe in my touch, It doesnt lie. Doing it all the time in match conditions is hard. It is again about Pareto. Each 1 % percentage after 80 takes expontential time and dedication. But it is finally about heart

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 08:10 PM
NL you were right about the topspin, I submit. Didnt take a look just was focussing on the receivers wrist. It is k to get criticized when you want to do anything, How to get to know you guys better? :D

You play in Germany. I'm sure there are enough leagues and clubs in the country for anyone who wants to talk to a TTR 1600+ player and find out what they think of your videos.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 08:21 PM
You play in Germany. I'm sure there are enough leagues and clubs in the country for anyone who wants to talk to a TTR 1600+ player and find out what they think of your videos.

I don't think they understand what I am doing. Actually it is difficult to convey how I feel about Table Tennis to anyone else. It doesn't matter for me because I don't play competitively, I approach the game in artistic sense. Yet, it provides me certain edge which the convetional way doesn't. I have a dream of going to China and practice there for a period of 6 months in the future. Where I want to unlearn whatever I did till now and start again like Phoenix. Thats my real desire.

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 08:24 PM
I don't think they understand what I am doing. Actually it is difficult to convey how I feel about Table Tennis to anyone else. It doesn't matter for me because I don't play competitively, I approach the game in artistic sense. Yet, it provides me certain edge which the convetional way doesn't. I have a dream of going to China and practice there for a period of 6 months in the future. Where I want to unlearn whatever I did till now and start again like Phoenix. Thats my real desire.
I think they understand better than you realize. Their interests are just different from yours. They just don't want the people who are trying to learn the real game to be led astray by your efforts.

It's good that you appreciate you have a lot to unlearn. I didn't get that impression from you back when you started to do Jugaad versions of high level serves.

Boogar
07-28-2016, 08:27 PM
I don't think they understand what I am doing. Actually it is difficult to convey how I feel about Table Tennis to anyone else. It doesn't matter for me because I don't play competitively, I approach the game in artistic sense. Yet, it provides me certain edge which the convetional way doesn't. I have a dream of going to China and practice there for a period of 6 months in the future. Where I want to unlearn whatever I did till now and start again like Phoenix. Thats my real desire.

Six months in china :D thats a great ambition. I too want to do that! However im far too bad as of now. I heard from good players in switzerland that they went to china and even the kids didn't want to play with them becaus the couldnt control the ball well enough and those players were 2000 us rating players.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 08:29 PM
I think they understand better than you realize. Their interests are just different from yours. They just don't want the people who are trying to learn the real game to be led astray by your efforts.

It's good that you appreciate you have a lot to unlearn. I didn't get that impression from you back when you started to do Jugaad versions of high level serves.


I didn't get that impression from you back when you started to do Jugaad versions of high level serves

I am aware of most of what I do. I just don't share the ones which don't help me

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 08:31 PM
Six months in china :D thats a great ambition. I too want to do that! However im far too bad as of now. I heard from good players in switzerland that they went to china and even the kids didn't want to play with them becaus the couldnt control the ball well enough and those players were 2000 us rating players.

ofc I expect to play with 6 year olds. They beat the crap out of me. I have such experiences with Chess. Afterwards, you feel like dying cos the Ego developed wants to kill you. But, that is when the resolution comes to become better. It is a necessary process to die again and again till we raise from the same tomb again in Sports I suppose

UpSideDownCarl
07-28-2016, 09:10 PM
Well, I have to say, Dan posts a cool video of a great drop shot and look at what this discussion has turned into!!! Pure LULZ. I am definitely entertained. The comedy of the overinflated ego on parade in all its glory.

I would love to see Wally Green play Siva with his little racket. That would be pretty good entertainment. Matthew Suchy is pretty good at playing with a small wooden block. My bet is that would be pretty funny too.


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Archosaurus
07-28-2016, 09:28 PM
I don't understand why someone would be ashamed of getting beat really bad by some 6 year old. Wouldn't it be better to think of it as a great chance to see just how much you are lacking so you can improve? I mean, there's 6 - 10 year old's out there who topspin harder than most good adult players. Just imagine the potential for technique if a 6 - 10 year old can do THAT.

I guess there's different approaches for different people.

NextLevel
07-28-2016, 09:32 PM
I don't understand why someone would be ashamed of getting beat really bad by some 6 year old. Wouldn't it be better to think of it as a great chance to see just how much you are lacking so you can improve? I mean, there's 6 - 10 year old's out there who topspin harder than most good adult players. Just imagine the potential for technique if a 6 - 10 year old can do THAT.

I guess there's different approaches for different people.

You have to have a realistic understanding of our sport and a decently mature ego to appreciate that. And even if you do, there is no guarantee how you will react if it actually happened to you.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 09:34 PM
It is pretty hard for whomever it may be to face that.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 09:42 PM
Well, I have to say, Dan posts a cool video of a great drop shot and look at what this discussion has turned into!!! Pure LULZ. I am definitely entertained. The comedy of the overinflated ego on parade in all its glory.

I would love to see Wally Green play Siva with his little racket. That would be pretty good entertainment. Matthew Suchy is pretty good at playing with a small wooden block. My bet is that would be pretty funny too.


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Wally Green is that rapper guy, Didnt know him. Just saw his rap ping pong video. Really cool rap and I think it would be battle of ego. It will start like this

Yo, Willy Wally,

I Whick your Whacky,

I ping pongy gonna make you dinky donkey :D

Xylit
07-28-2016, 09:54 PM
ffs Siva I don't care about what you are posting but can you please stop making double posts over and over again? Normally that is not even allowed in forums. There is something called the "edit" function. Horrible to read through this topic.

Apart from that, great video :D

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 09:56 PM
ffs Siva I don't care about what you are posting but can you please stop making double posts over and over again? Normally that is not even allowed in forums. There is something called the "edit" function. Horrible to read through this topic.

Apart from that, great video :D

Where was the double post?

Xylit
07-28-2016, 09:58 PM
There are THREE double posts from you alone on this third page. Wtf is wrong with you these days...

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 10:01 PM
There are THREE double posts from you alone on this third page. Wtf is wrong with you these days...

Do you mean a reptition, cos I don't see any repetition of posts. This is the first forum I had ever joined. Would be glad to know what you meant by double post?

So, I am using the edit now. Actually those single posts were replies to few posts in general. So, I couldn't address it to a single person

Archosaurus
07-28-2016, 10:09 PM
It's when you post stuff like this.

Archosaurus
07-28-2016, 10:09 PM
And don't edit when you have something else to say.

There's even a bloody timer.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 10:12 PM
It's when you post stuff like this.

Now I understand. Don't know about this forum's etiquette. But, apart from that I can't answer for how one feels about themselves after going through a crazy thread like this :D

UpSideDownCarl
07-28-2016, 11:17 PM
Alright. Now I am really psyched. Check it out. The Jugaadu master and his phenomenal jugaad backboard drop shot rivaling Waldner himself:

This post came from a new Siva thread called "Walk the Talk: my drop shot collection":


Here, for the first time I was able to change the setting to 60fps slowmotion. But, this muted the audio, don't really know why that happens. Somebody could enlighten on that.

So, I will speak about the challenges in this drill. Here, since I use the table placed near the net, the ball travel time is reduced by 50% and since i self hit them, I lose sometime to recover as well. Combined with the unpredictable return together creates that lag time when I get to the ball. Other than that I should not have other qualms. I leave it to pundits on their take.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3TVSBXiktU&feature=youtu.be

And, yes, as predicted, the high quality return he is getting with all that spin for him to counter is off a coffee table placed sideways.

Clearly a high quality topspin ball from a real high level player could not compare to the difficulty level of countering a no spin ball off a coffee table.


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Tryzerlol
07-28-2016, 11:40 PM
Mate I'm sorry but I could teach any kiddo from my club how to do that within 5 minutes and unfortunately I wouldn't consider any of them to be a tabletennis prodigy nor am I an extraordinary teacher. On top of that, I don't think I would have to edit and cut the video to get rid of the outtakes.

I've read through the entire thing and I feel like I'm on 4chan :D Btw, the orange ball is broken, might wanna make an investment there and get a replacement.

And to not be considered offtopic, initial clip is cool.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 11:50 PM
Alright. Now I am really psyched. Check it out. The Jugaadu master and his phenomenal jugaad backboard drop shot rivaling Waldner himself:

This post came from a new Siva thread called "Walk the Talk: my drop shot collection":

And, yes, as predicted, the high quality return he is getting with all that spin for him to counter is off a coffee table placed sideways.

Clearly a high quality topspin ball from a real high level player could not compare to the difficulty level of countering a no spin ball off a coffee table.


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Doesn't the topspin make it much easier because when the blade is closed it just pops back with backspin and helping the sroke. I sm sctually countering some backspin but it doesnt make any difference that way.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-28-2016, 11:57 PM
Mate I'm sorry but I could teach any kiddo from my club how to do that within 5 minutes and unfortunately I wouldn't consider any of them to be a tabletennis prodigy nor am I an extraordinary teacher. On top of that, I don't think I would have to edit and cut the video to get rid of the outtakes.

I've read through the entire thing and I feel like I'm on 4chan :D Btw, the orange ball is broken, might wanna make an investment there and get a replacement.

And to not be considered offtopic, initial clip is cool.

Since I recorded in 60fps the 10 min video is already over 3 GB. I overran my internet quota as well, so Sorry. I didn't say this to be extraordinary but i dont see the original post to be extraordinary as well. If the ball is fed that way, it will take me 5 minutes as well to adjust to that topspin. If that is considered prodigy then very well I can't argue against that.

I promise you the next time I will get someone to feed me the ball, then there are gonna be qualms about the feeder not able to generate top spin like the US Player. So, nothing changes there as well. So, I better stick with words :)

Yes, the orange ball was broken. Cool, you have very good eyes :)

Archosaurus
07-29-2016, 12:36 AM
Siva, if you can't see how lacking your shot is compared to the video originally posted, I don't know what to say. There was no need at all to make such a fuss if this is what you deliver.

@Tryzerlol

No one on 4chan takes themselves seriously (Unless you miss the point and choose to identify yourself), and they mostly have a good sense of humor and occasionally deliver. You were a bit too generous with that comparison IMO. ;)

TTFrenzy
07-29-2016, 02:47 AM
Do you feel like a better player now for letting us all know that this is baby stuff and you can do better?

I'm tired of reading this kind of stuff all the time. People are working hard to produce media content and insiders on their training and tournaments and all they get met with is negative feedback.

Go out and film yourself doing this with a blindfold. Seriously, they are waiting for you over on reddit.

haahahha i love it when someone like matt gets pissed off by internet boasting. I know for a fact how annoying/ridiculous it can be and lets face it most of the people would say "pay no attention matt you do your job, its nonsense" but then again I just enjoy these moments of internet self crowning followed by a bit off a ass whooping

Tryzerlol
07-29-2016, 08:16 AM
@Tryzerlol

No one on 4chan takes themselves seriously (Unless you miss the point and choose to identify yourself), and they mostly have a good sense of humor and occasionally deliver. You were a bit too generous with that comparison IMO. ;)

There are a few special snowflakes every now and then who take themselves very seriously on 4chan and I sometimes can't tell whether someone is just completely delusional or trolling the shit out of everybody else. This is the scenario I wanted to compare it to ;p

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 11:55 AM
In the last thread, some pompous madder got his ass whooped. It is all the time easy to misconstrue when there is less experience. However, my stand remains the same for the dropshot. I just recorded these in the morning after I realised I didn't get the sense of difference between a dropshot and a short push. This video took the shortest time for me to record as the topspin in the ball just does the job at the correct angles. I hope I answered what I meant about the execution of the shot. From what I understood, more the topspin much easier to control provided reaching the ball early. I leave it again to the pundits to look for what I have missed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-EeupXh7yQ

So, I will leave it to you guys to judge is this any good. I am happy that others see myself as snowflake. It is always hard to be something on either direction of the moral scale. That shows some effort :D

UpSideDownCarl
07-29-2016, 12:44 PM
So, I will leave it to you guys to judge is this any good. I am happy that others see myself as snowflake. It is always hard to be something on either direction of the moral scale. That shows some effort :D

The reason your balance is so good, the exquisite foot position and the big bend in your knees.

There is an excellent one at about 2:13 where you almost topple over and plant your left hand on the table to help you keep your balance.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 12:49 PM
The reason your balance is so good, the exquisite foot position and the big bend in your knees.

There is an excellent one at about 2:13 where you almost topple over and plant your left hand on the table to help you keep your balance.

If that is sarcastic, the balance is difficult because I am tripping forward while chopping the ball to wall, it disturbs the setup. I would prefer somebody feeding all the day. It also provides ample time for each stroke instead of a reaction from wall where the arch is shallow.

The next time, i will try a different camera angle, which helps me for sure to get good feeback

Archosaurus
07-29-2016, 12:49 PM
You claimed you can do the same as in the original video. That's not the same: it's a lower quality imitation.

It's literally the same thing as when I compared my spin level to high level players' spin level, while missing the point.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 12:51 PM
You claimed you can do the same as in the original video. That's not the same: it's a lower quality imitation.

It's literally the same thing as when I compared my spin level to high level players' spin level, while missing the point.

More power to you Sir, you are definitely qualified to be Critiquing at ESPN Sports Center.

K here is the spin lesson 101. If you chop the ball in the horizontal axis, there is no reaction for the spin on vertical axis. That is how Chiquita works. This drop shot works in the same principle. It doesn't ****ing matter it you meet them on the right axis.

UpSideDownCarl
07-29-2016, 01:02 PM
If that is sarcastic, the balance is difficult because I am tripping forward while chopping the ball to wall, it disturbs the setup. I would prefer somebody feeding all the day. It also provides ample time for each stroke instead of a reaction from wall where the arch is shallow.

The next time, i will try a different camera angle, which helps me for sure to get good feeback

If you knew what your feet were supposed to be doing, you would not be falling over.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 01:09 PM
If you knew what your feet were supposed to be doing, you would not be falling over.

I need some time to figure out what you mean. I felt the position was completely wrong. I ll look again what i have done wrong.

UpSideDownCarl
07-29-2016, 01:13 PM
I need some time to figure out what you mean. I felt the position was completely wrong. I ll look again what i have done wrong.

With all your talk, I do think you should know this yourself. There are a few things you are supposed to do with your feet on any ball over the table.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 01:15 PM
With all your talk, I do think you should know this yourself. There are a few things you are supposed to do with your feet on any ball over the table.

I have to stretch my upper body fully to reach the ball as it is close to the net. How is it possible to keep the knees bend, if that is what you mean?

Archosaurus
07-29-2016, 01:24 PM
Siva, have you ever received a serve that's low and very short close to the net? From what you're saying, it sounds like you never have.

Maybe because I am short and with short arms just to add to it, I need to always in all cases use the proper footwork for short balls because I don't come anywhere close to the net if I don't, but somehow I can't believe that even if you're 190 -200cm tall you won't need to bend at all.

Somehow I find it hard to believe that you don't know the footwork for receiving short balls.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 01:26 PM
K here is this thing, Many have come to conclusions on what I can and can't . So, if there are some players from Hamburg in our community, let's play together for some sets in your respective club or in my dorm. Doesn't matter if it is Tenergy or Super FX, we will get it recorded and posted in TTD to see how well that goes. I hope this settles many doubts.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 01:28 PM
Siva, have you ever received a serve that's low and very short close to the net? From what you're saying, it sounds like you never have.

Maybe because I am short and with short arms just to add to it, I need to always in all cases use the proper footwork for short balls because I don't come anywhere close to the net if I don't, but somehow I can't believe that even if you're 190 -200cm tall you won't need to bend at all.

Somehow I find it hard to believe that you don't know the footwork for receiving short balls.

The drill was about the touch and spin neutralisation. Footwork was not my focus, I do know how it should be done. It is just funny to read these comments :)

UpSideDownCarl
07-29-2016, 01:33 PM
I have to stretch my upper body fully to reach the ball as it is close to the net. How is it possible to keep the knees bend, if that is what you mean?

Good to know. I am going to start working on this technique you use for reaching short balls. The footwork potential is through the roof. :)

Archosaurus
07-29-2016, 01:34 PM
Siva, when I first started posting, I also knew how to loop with heavy spin. I also knew how to serve with heavy spin. I also knew how to move correctly. I also knew how to read the ball correctly. I also knew how to receive service correctly. I also knew how to block correctly. I also knew how to loop half-long serves. I also knew how to take balls over the table. I also knew how to play at a 2000 USATT level.

I just didn't do it. It wasn't my focus.

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 01:37 PM
Siva, when I first started posting, I also knew how to loop with heavy spin. I also knew how to serve with heavy spin. I also knew how to move correctly. I also knew how to read the ball correctly. I also knew how to receive service correctly. I also knew how to block correctly. I also knew how to loop half-long serves. I also knew how to take balls over the table. I also knew how to play at a 2000 USATT level.

I just didn't do it. It wasn't my focus.

It would be ideal if you post your video playing somebody before speaking about 2000 USATT level

Archosaurus
07-29-2016, 01:39 PM
I gave you a few chances, and I refuse to believe that someone would be so daft as to miss the point of my previous post. Surely, you can only either be trolling or delusional.

I think I'm just going to slip out of here before I catch whatever disease is going around infecting people's heads...

Siva Schopenhauer
07-29-2016, 01:42 PM
I gave you a few chances, and I refuse to believe that someone would be so daft as to miss the point of my previous post. Surely, you can only either be trolling or delusional.

I think I'm just going to slip out of here before I catch whatever disease is going around infecting people's heads...

The disesase is called Fear and dis ease

Matt Hetherington
07-29-2016, 08:56 PM
And herein lies the problem. If a man who runs the 100m in 15 seconds says Hussain Bolt is too slow, who looks like a fool?

This is meant to be a constructive community, we are here to build skills and knowledge, not egos.

That's all I have to say on the matter. And as a further warning as I'm sure most of you are aware, I spend a lot of time creating content about table tennis and I actually filmed this video of Tom's training. He saw a lot of negative comments regarding his video and I'm actually finding myself continuously disappointed by the online community in table tennis (and i'm sure in many other things).

We are better than this guys. If you see some content and feel like tearing it to bits, here is my advice. JUST LEAVE IT. We are here to encourage one another. Siva I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate people giving negative feedback on your videos.

Anyhow I will leave the thread on that note.

TTFrenzy
07-29-2016, 09:01 PM
More power to you Sir, you are definitely qualified to be Critiquing at ESPN Sports Center.

K here is the spin lesson 101. If you chop the ball in the horizontal axis, there is no reaction for the spin on vertical axis. That is how Chiquita works. This drop shot works in the same principle. It doesn't ****ing matter it you meet them on the right axis.

you are taking the internet too seriously. u ve got nothing to prove to anyone. so just play the game, enjoy and let it do the talking for you.

SiLenT_Tz
07-30-2016, 09:21 AM
Those are good drop shots to come back to the topic ;)
Not close to Waldner but still good espacially cause he manages to hit every ball
and that is quite difficult!