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Lolman
08-16-2016, 09:34 PM
Hi ,guys I'm trying to boost my rubber with Falco long term booster and after the first layer of boost it has not curved.Any solutions?

Lolman
08-16-2016, 09:48 PM
Is it because I used too much glue on the rubber before applying the booster?

Ilia Minkin
08-16-2016, 09:50 PM
How long did you wait? It takes several hours before oil gets into the sponge and stretches it. Also, for H3 you need at least two layers to really curve it.

Lolman
08-16-2016, 09:55 PM
24 hours,I've applied the 2nd layer now and the layer of boost is actually peeling off instead of absorbing into the sponge.

Boogar
08-16-2016, 09:56 PM
Jea you need to wait at least 24-48 hours until the effect turns up.

Boogar
08-16-2016, 09:57 PM
Actually i think its better to wait 48 hours for the first layer and then its 24 per layer.

Ilia Minkin
08-16-2016, 09:59 PM
24 hours,I've applied the 2nd layer now and the layer of boost is actually peeling off instead of absorbing into the sponge.

It is a slow process, just wait for a day.

Lolman
08-16-2016, 10:03 PM
Alright,cheers I will see what happens now!

Ilia Minkin
08-16-2016, 10:06 PM
Also I usually apply glue before boosting like in this tutorial, though it is probably possible to do it the other way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrc8lixJ4r8

Lolman
08-16-2016, 10:10 PM
I tried to follow this video but it just feels like the boost and the glue just merged together to form a separate layer rather than absorbing.Hopefully,it does absorb ,eventually , especially with the second layer I added!

Ilia Minkin
08-16-2016, 10:15 PM
I tried to follow this video but it just feels like the boost and the glue just merged together to form a separate layer rather than absorbing.Hopefully,it does absorb ,eventually , especially with the second layer I added!

First booster does mix together with glue, but with time all the booster you put there goes down into the sponge, I tried it many times.

UpSideDownCarl
08-16-2016, 10:16 PM
The booster will be absorbed, through the glue, into the sponge. It will happen. Just be patient.


Sent from Deep Space by Abacus

Lolman
08-16-2016, 10:18 PM
Thanks guys, I will update after day 2 of the booster:D.Hopefully,it's done in time for practice!

pgpg
08-17-2016, 03:18 AM
Just out of curiosity - since boosting apparently is an accepted practice, I suppose you won't mind if I 'boost' my LP rubber by UV exposure or some other creative means, in order to make it play 'better' ? :D

Not a moral judgement question, I really don't care what my opponent might have done to their inverted rubber - simply wonder what you think about playing someone with LP treated that way.

rokphish
08-17-2016, 03:23 AM
Somebody's going straight to hell... [emoji12]


You can use one of these big bad boys...
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160817/f64bde6d546e3774ba483dcf7bc90e1b.jpg

UpSideDownCarl
08-17-2016, 03:47 AM
Just out of curiosity - since boosting apparently is an accepted practice, I suppose you won't mind if I 'boost' my LP rubber by UV exposure or some other creative means, in order to make it play 'better' ? :D

Not a moral judgement question, I really don't care what my opponent might have done to their inverted rubber - simply wonder what you think about playing someone with LP treated that way.


Somebody's going straight to hell... [emoji12]


You can use one of these big bad boys...
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160817/f64bde6d546e3774ba483dcf7bc90e1b.jpg

Hahaha.

@ pgpg: you know what you can do if you really want to be devious; after you give them the special UV treatment to make the pips extra frictionless, then you do these two things:

1) When you glue, don't put glue everywhere. Make sure there are are spots where the LP are glued down and other spots that are not so that the opponent really can't judge the amount of pips effect.

2) Take Q-Tip, dip it in boost and brush it on the pips in some areas and not in others so that there are spots with grippier pips from the boost and spots that are ultra frictionless from the UV treatment.

Leaving the pips out in the sun for 4-5 hours should do the trick for the first part of the job.

NextLevel
08-17-2016, 03:52 AM
People can do what they want to do with their equipment. I have to focus on the ball because there are no rules limiting people from using crap to play in the tournaments I enter. DeWitt already wins events I play in by wearing out his Mark V and using it like short pips or anti with a weird occasional inverted effect.

pgpg
08-17-2016, 03:56 AM
As a full disclosure - I am just too lazy to do any of this to my pips (and I think it crosses the line too...), and I'm not really aiming to play 'frictionless' game at the table. Still aspiring to be a chopper :cool:

Ilia Minkin
08-17-2016, 04:29 AM
DeWitt already wins events I play in by wearing out his Mark V and using it like short pips or anti with a weird occasional inverted effect.

I once played a chopper who had anti on one side and a ridiculously worn out smooth rubber on the other. Took some time to figure out what was going on.


Just out of curiosity - since boosting apparently is an accepted practice, I suppose you won't mind if I 'boost' my LP rubber by UV exposure or some other creative means, in order to make it play 'better' ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebYN0chFJp8

Ilia Minkin
08-17-2016, 04:34 AM
Just out of curiosity - since boosting apparently is an accepted practice, I suppose you won't mind if I 'boost' my LP rubber by UV exposure or some other creative means, in order to make it play 'better' ? :D

Not a moral judgement question, I really don't care what my opponent might have done to their inverted rubber - simply wonder what you think about playing someone with LP treated that way.

Seriously speaking, I boost because after approximately 2 months of playing my new rubbers (unboosted) shrink and lose a lot of spin on loops. Boosting makes them playing almost like new, so for me boosting is a way to save some money on gear. I guess that treating LPs in the way you described is something different.

Boogar
08-17-2016, 07:58 AM
You could also put the LP's in your microwave and cover some places up so they dont lose the grip.
Also there is a green paste that the italians used to smear onto their LP's that would make the sides of the Lp anti as well :)
And i heard there are lps that have pips with different height and different angle :O

Lolman
08-17-2016, 12:26 PM
Roughly how long will take for the rubber to become a dome shape?As I have training on Saturday.

Lolman
08-17-2016, 12:30 PM
Just out of curiosity - since boosting apparently is an accepted practice, I suppose you won't mind if I 'boost' my LP rubber by UV exposure or some other creative means, in order to make it play 'better' ? :D

Not a moral judgement question, I really don't care what my opponent might have done to their inverted rubber - simply wonder what you think about playing someone with LP treated that way.All the top players boost,not a big problem:cool:

NextLevel
08-17-2016, 12:59 PM
Roughly how long will take for the rubber to become a dome shape?As I have training on Saturday.

Just use it and forget about the dome shape.

Lolman
08-17-2016, 01:29 PM
Just use it and forget about the dome shape.
So when will the boosting be complete?When it's dome shape or when you can no longer see the booster clearly?

NextLevel
08-17-2016, 01:36 PM
So when will the boosting be complete?When it's dome shape or when you can no longer see the booster clearly?


Whenever you want it to be complete. Not everyone boosts the same way or enjoys the same level of boosting. You just do it and see if you like how the paddle plays.

Lolman
08-17-2016, 01:42 PM
So to make it a dome more booster would have to be applied?Sorry,I'm a first-time booster;).If it's not a dome how well will the hurricane play?

Boogar
08-17-2016, 03:06 PM
The more the sponge gets bigger the more the rubber curls. You dont need to wait for the dome to come down, just smear it on so it has some tension :)

shinhyun
08-17-2016, 10:51 PM
I have just try boosting h3n with falco tempo long booster for the first time : I put thebglue then a layer of booster and I let it for 12 hours. It begins to be curved then I put a second layer and I let it for 12 hours and it becomes more curved like a bridge ! (The layers are thin) and I let it for 12 hours then I put a third layer and it becomes a tube. Then I let it for 4 days until it is less curved (like a flat bridge) and I glue it.
I have just try it and I feel it isn't enough booster lol ! First experiance of boosting... My h3n is a little bit more dynamic but not too much, so I gain a little bit of speed but I don't know why but I feel less spin produced ! My topsheet isn't as tacky as my previous h3n non booster... I'm using a stiga allround evolution.
I compare to Dan's Hurricane 8 test, it doesn't feel the same, his boosted h8 seems to be 100x more dynamic than mine (2 layers of dian chi oil). Am I doing wrong ?

NextLevel
08-17-2016, 11:08 PM
So to make it a dome more booster would have to be applied?Sorry,I'm a first-time booster;).If it's not a dome how well will the hurricane play?

Softer may be all you need. Why not just play with the damn thing and stop asking questions that will never get you the answers you need?

Lolman
08-18-2016, 01:55 AM
Softer may be all you need. Why not just play with the damn thing and stop asking questions that will never get you the answers you need?
Haha lol,ok!

UpSideDownCarl
08-18-2016, 01:59 AM
So to make it a dome more booster would have to be applied?Sorry,I'm a first-time booster;).If it's not a dome how well will the hurricane play?

Yeah, I get your anguish.

When I used to use Hurricane and boost I would slap on as much boost as I could as fast as I could. Like, I would add a layer of boost, let it sink in, when it was absorbed, I would add another, then another, and then I would put it on my blade as soon after as I could so that I glued it on before the rubber curled.

There were a few times where the rubber started curling off the blade while I was playing. When that happened I pressed the rubber down at the edges like you see CNT players do all the time in their matches.

A few times I decided I would take the rubber off at night after playing to let some of the boost evaporate and then glue it back on. But it was always okay to play.

And the way I looked at it is, the boost expands the sponge. That is what makes the rubber play better. The dome shows it expanded but the dome doesn't matter aside from demonstrating that the sponge expanded.

If you waste all that time with getting the sponge to curl up and then uncurl, all that time while the rubber is curling and uncurling is good boost effect wasted. Yep. That is how I thought about it.

So the real thing is to test and see. Over time, if you try out different amounts of boost and different methods of boosting you will know how much boost you like to use and whether you like taking 6 days to apply the boost and wait for the dome to recede or if you like the throw it on and and glue it on before the sponge curls up method.

Only you will know what enough boost is. Nobody else can answer that kind of question. Because it depends on how you feel and what you like. There is no objective scientific, correct amount of boost. There is only different people who like more or less boost.

Part of why I switched from H3 to spring sponge and/or tensor type rubbers is I didn't want to always be messing with my rubbers and trying to adjust the amount of boost so they played how I liked. I found it a waste of energy.

Anyway, good luck experimenting. Trust what you think you feel when you try your boosted rubbers.


Sent from Deep Space by Abacus

rokphish
08-18-2016, 03:37 AM
i play h3 any and all variants without speedglue or booster. i tried various speedglue and boosters for testing purposes before just to have the experience.

i play with h3 for years and also train with coach using it, so after, no problem using it without speedglue/boosters. i adjusted to it and accepted it for its flaws and uniqueness... :cool:

Hamasaki_Fanz
08-18-2016, 09:10 AM
i play h3 any and all variants without speedglue or booster. i tried various speedglue and boosters for testing purposes before just to have the experience.

i play with h3 for years and also train with coach using it, so after, no problem using it without speedglue/boosters. i adjusted to it and accepted it for its flaws and uniqueness... :cool:

mane, unboosted h3 while the spin is there, it lacks of catapult, therefore your ball will land in the middle, not near the white line of opponent's table

rokphish
08-18-2016, 09:16 AM
Well... You don't know how I play with it... [emoji41]

decoy
08-19-2016, 04:01 PM
with hurricanes i usualy start with 2 layers waiting untill each layer dries out compeltely. then a 3rd should turn into a swissroll . then jsut wait for that to flatten out

Lolman
08-19-2016, 06:30 PM
Cheers guys, I'm going to add another layer now.I have been using unboosted hurricane's for a long time now but as I progress I think I need more speed,without going down the tenergy route on my forehand

suds79
08-19-2016, 06:40 PM
Also I usually apply glue before boosting like in this tutorial, though it is probably possible to do it the other way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrc8lixJ4r8

Yeah I've applied boost before the glue. It works fine and your rubber will dome. But I will say this.

Do not ever do the boost before glue method on any DHS rubber. To me that's a guaranteed bubble. But any other rubber? no problem.

flash
08-19-2016, 07:18 PM
The only H3 that I have boosted that bubbled was the Neo version, the non Neo I have boosted have never bubbled, and I boost directly on the sponge before applying the glue. And I have boosted H3 rubbers going on three years.

chuckjordan2
08-19-2016, 08:40 PM
Ya'll spend hours and hours, days upon days, boosting the rubber. Then play a 30 minute match. Then do it again for the next match. Something isn't right here.

Time is money, I'd rather $$pend for the rubbers and play/practice with my hours. Hours of practice is better than hours of boosting.

What am I missing here?

flash
08-19-2016, 09:05 PM
I boost my H3 with 3 to 4 layers and play with them for months, to me boosting H3 is breaking it in faster. The only time I re-boost is if I remove rubber to put on another blade. Each to their own, but if I was about anti boosting I would not be reading or posting about boosting. live and let live.

Hamasaki_Fanz
08-20-2016, 03:41 AM
Ya'll spend hours and hours, days upon days, boosting the rubber. Then play a 30 minute match. Then do it again for the next match. Something isn't right here.

Time is money, I'd rather $$pend for the rubbers and play/practice with my hours. Hours of practice is better than hours of boosting.

What am I missing here?

you're missing the feeling of playing with boosted h3, which is better than tenergy imo

rokphish
08-20-2016, 03:55 AM
Hurricane is not for everyone, just as any other rubbers. To each their own. [emoji41]

decoy
08-28-2016, 05:24 AM
Ya'll spend hours and hours, days upon days, boosting the rubber. Then play a 30 minute match. Then do it again for the next match. Something isn't right here.

Time is money, I'd rather $$pend for the rubbers and play/practice with my hours. Hours of practice is better than hours of boosting.

What am I missing here?

dont know about you fam. i boost mine like every 3-4 months