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OldschoolPenholder
08-22-2016, 06:56 PM
Hello TTDers:

*salutes with left palm to right fist*

I'm 51 yrs old, back in my teens (late 1970's-early 1980's), I used to play a lot. As you can guess from my nickname, I play traditional penholder style. I learned from Alex Tam and Richard Ling at an old NYC Chinatown club in the firehouse on Lafayette St. NYC oldtimers may recall those 2 names. Played when Guo Yuehua was world champ and Cai Zhenhua was #2.

Played until the firehouse club closed down late 80's. Played on and off since then. "Retired" in 90's, as friends got married and moved, I got married and had kids. Concentrated on family and career. Old and fat, doctor said I needed to lose weight. Got more active again by playing TT again since last June.

Last Saturday, I had the honor and privilege to hit/play with UpsideDownCarl, Der_Echte and PingPongHolic. I thank my old friend 42andbackpains for the invite and informing me of TTD.

Alex Tam started me off with pips penholder. .. I couldn't master the backhand smash, so I went to smooth penholder. About a month ago, "Excalibur" (my old Double Happiness 08 blade (7-ply, good for smashing; lost my Double Happiness 032 5-ply, good for looping) died, 35+ yr old blade :(

RIP Excalibur

Currently getting used to an Avalox P700 with Double Happiness Hurricane 3.

I also am into martial arts, self-defense, comics, movies, tv, and reading, mostly non-fiction.

Very truly yours in TT,

~osp

The Omega Man
08-22-2016, 07:18 PM
Welcome! I also came back to TT after a 12 years long hiatus, same reasons too, work, family, kids etc.
I started again last year and I felt in love with TT again, I played during my teenage years and into my 20s for a local club, since I came back I've been training hard (2 to 3 times a week) and I am proud to say I feel in a better level that I was before I retired.
It's never to late for TT, never!

UpSideDownCarl
08-22-2016, 07:31 PM
I learned from Alex Tan and Richard Ling at an old NYC Chinatown club in the firehouse on Lafayette St.

Richard Ling is AWESOME.

Good to see you on the forum OldSchool.

Me and this guy made Der_Echte and PingPongHolic have to work for and earn their win in doubles against us. Even though the odds were stacked in their favor.


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ttmonster
08-22-2016, 07:47 PM
Too bad there is not footage !! I am still kind of waiting for the table tennis version of SNL footage to come in ...
Richard Ling is AWESOME.

Good to see you on the forum OldSchool.

Me and this guy made Der_Echte and PingPongHolic have to work for and earn their win in doubles against us. Even though the odds were stacked in their favor.


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Suga D
08-22-2016, 07:53 PM
Greetings osp, a very warm welcome to the forum.

Cai ZenHua & Guo YueHua... That name dropping made you already appear sympathetic

Guo YueHua also used to play a while in Germany, so I'm quite familiar with the name. That blade you have now is very nice, but there is a website that sells two versions of the old classic double happiness 08 7-ply blade:

http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=classic08

and also the 032 blade.
http://www.prott.cc/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=classic032

A close friend of mine owns the 08 blade, which i believe he has got from Master Guo (or should i say sifu Guo) himself from back in the days. I don't think he wants to ever sell it, but i can ask him next time he's around.
Last time he was here, we took a photo and posted it in this thread right here:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?10666-Share-your-Racket-s-Photo/page13

So anyhow, have a good time here.


My buddy was diggin' in his crates again...

The saga continues... ;)

There was no DHS to that time... just Double Happiness! :)

And i think "tenis table sports" wasn't purposely... ;)


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It's got the old corporate design logo on the handle..

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It's a 7ply with a nice sound. Hard to tell what kinda wood though.

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This was from the days before RPB... No BH rubber...

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UpSideDownCarl
08-22-2016, 09:07 PM
Too bad there is not footage !! I am still kind of waiting for the table tennis version of SNL footage to come in ...

I do wish we had footage of that first match. OldSchool and I really gave them a lot of trouble. Second match they figured us out and it wasn't quite as close.

But the funniest stuff was when Der_Echte and I were teammates. I have to say I am terrible at doubles and never move out of the way how you need to in doubles.

So there were at least three different occasions were Der_ and I collided. All of them were totally my fault. And on two of them I almost took Der_'s arm off by not getting out of the way when he was trying to rip a crosscourt return of serve after I did not move back and out of the way after my serve.

There were even a few shots that Der_ made in spite of me being in the way.

Hahaha.

One of them, we were surprised Der_'s racket was still in one piece.

Footage of that would be priceless.


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OldschoolPenholder
08-22-2016, 09:18 PM
Very cool The Omega Man that you are playing better than before!

I have not gotten back to my previous level yet. My timing and touch/feel are still off. And now getting used to my new blade/rubber is an added challenge for my unretirement after a 30 yrs layoff.

Thank you and yes! TT 4eva!

OldschoolPenholder
08-22-2016, 09:22 PM
Thank you Suga D for the welcome as well as the links! Your friend is very lucky to have a blade Guo sifu himself!

I'm going to stick with the Avalox for awhile however if I can't get the hang of it I will look into the 08 and/or 032 again. Thank you again!

OldschoolPenholder
08-22-2016, 09:28 PM
UpsideDownCarl,

Thank you for the training! Yeah too bad we did not have the foresight to vid the doubles matches or the prior training hour.

I definitely was the weakest link as 42andbackpains said that night, was fun and an honor to play with you 3!

Thank you!

Suga D
08-22-2016, 09:37 PM
Thank you Suga D for the welcome as well as the links! Your friend is very lucky to have a blade Guo sifu himself!

I'm going to stick with the Avalox for awhile however if I can't get the hang of it I will look into the 08 and/or 032 again. Thank you again!

Thank you, too. Your blade is also very nice, shouldn't take long to adapt to.

BTW: I came back to the game five years ago after a 18 year hiatus, so welcome to the club.
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UpSideDownCarl
08-22-2016, 09:51 PM
So, this video of me warming up, that I posted in the goon squad NYC thread, my training partner giving me the good feed and the warmup is OldSchool.

Here it is for reference:


https://youtu.be/ih_rfsNh1dk

And you were not the weakest link in the doubles matches. 42&backpains just likes to give you a hard time. What are friends for.

Your crazy punch pushes set me up for a lot of good shots. And when my serves gave you a ball that was even 2" higher than the net, you smacked the ball into next week like you were doing the slapadelic. We were a great doubles team in spite of how bad I am at doubles.


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OldschoolPenholder
08-23-2016, 02:51 AM
So, this video of me warming up, that I posted in the goon squad NYC thread, my training partner giving me the good feed and the warmup is OldSchool.

Here it is for reference:


https://youtu.be/ih_rfsNh1dk

You are a great training partner! As I am still getting used to my new racket, you are so forgiving/understanding when I didn't feed to the proper area! You exhibited great footwork also to get to the balls where i erringly hit to the FH side.


And you were not the weakest link in the doubles matches. 42&backpains just likes to give you a hard time. What are friends for.


I am the weakest link. I couldn't read serves well and everyone capitalized on it. Need further proof? Each team i was on lost the match ... lol at me!


Your crazy punch pushes set me up for a lot of good shots. And when my serves gave you a ball that was even 2" higher than the net, you smacked the ball into next week like you were doing the slapadelic. We were a great doubles team in spite of how bad I am at doubles.


There was one smash i felt bad about, it hit der_echte square in the chest!

I had a lot of fun and learned some things that i still need to work on lol You were great as a doubles partner, shots I normally wouldn't have been able to make, you were able to make.

THANK YOU!

OldschoolPenholder
08-23-2016, 02:54 AM
Your blade is also very nice, shouldn't take long to adapt to.

You don't know how bad I am!



BTW: I came back to the game five years ago after a 18 year hiatus, so welcome to the club.
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18 only?! i'm at 30 yrs if not a tad more !!!

OldschoolPenholder
08-23-2016, 02:57 AM
Richard Ling is AWESOME.

Did you ever train with him? 42&backpains and the rest of our crew back in da day owe a lot to Richard Ling!!

I neglected to add to my initial post, I also learned from Rey Domingo. He was 2400 or so back then and was a very steady lobber, he helped my smashing game tremendously.

It was a joy to watch Alex Tam play Rey Domingo back at the old firehouse.

UpSideDownCarl
08-23-2016, 03:22 AM
Did you ever train with him? 42&backpains and the rest of our crew back in da day owe a lot to Richard Ling!!

I neglected to add to my initial post, I also learned from Rey Domingo. He was 2400 or so back then and was a very steady lobber, he helped my smashing game tremendously.

It was a joy to watch Alex Tam play Rey Domingo back at the old firehouse.

Richard used to coach at NYTTF back when it was open. He was the main coach there.

UpSideDownCarl
08-23-2016, 03:26 AM
You are a great training partner! As I am still getting used to my new racket, you are so forgiving/understanding when I didn't feed to the proper area! You exhibited great footwork also to get to the balls where i erringly hit to the FH side.

Saturday night I tried to explain to you why I liked your feed how it was better than if all the balls when to the exact same spot. Here I am going to give another go at why I like having the random element in the training:

Watch this video and see if you can figure out the reason:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_5nWKyRzKM

OldschoolPenholder
08-23-2016, 04:05 AM
Awesomeness!!! Thank you!

I'm still in the Technique Acquisition phase on some strokes, so I need to "grease the groove"/muscle memory, so block practice may help a bit more u til I get "the right stroke" but I definitely get what you and vid means by the random practice.

Do you know about Col John Boyd? The Read-Plan-Do is very similar to his "O-O-D-A Loop. Although he didn't call it that, others called it.

Observe -Orient-Decide-Action

Given it is TT, a sport, we don't have to Orient ouselves. To a degree, do its Read-Plan-Do.

Great stuff, thank you!

OldschoolPenholder
08-23-2016, 04:06 AM
Ah cool, idk that.

Wonder how he is doing.

Der_Echte
08-23-2016, 10:35 PM
Richard Ling is AWESOME.

Good to see you on the forum OldSchool.

Me and this guy made Der_Echte and PingPongHolic have to work for and earn their win in doubles against us. Even though the odds were stacked in their favor.


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When I saw OSP practice and also the first game, I thought the odds were stacked AGAINST us.

OldschoolPenholder
08-24-2016, 03:02 AM
LOLOL

again, thank you for your gracious words!

Der_Echte
08-24-2016, 04:07 AM
I am credited with being gracious when I was just keeping it real. I seriously thought Carl was choosing a stacked team to play vs the PP Holic / Der_Echte Death Squad.

I won my state championship in doubles vs a 2200-2300 / 1900 level player team with me and a 2000 level player I never teamed up with before.

Der_Echte is not a chump in doubles, but I was very concerned before the match started. After OSP got me to miss one or two shots and tied PP Holic up all in knots I was REALLY concerned and had to break out the Rambo in me to get one game back.

PP Holic claims he is flaming hot garbage in doubles. Haha, I got oceanfront property in Arizona to sell to anyone believing that one. PP Holic is right handy in Single or doubles or in a fight vs the Goon Squad. Dude is cut and ready for anything.

Der_Echte
08-24-2016, 04:17 AM
OSP and PP Holic both knew how to jam Carl up. After Carl served, they would push real deep and fast at Carl, who couldn't get out of the way even if you offered him a case of Hefeweissen. Carl's ribs must still be bruised from where I tried to hit through Carl to hit one of those returns. I trusted Carl would be out of the way. The next ones, I would stop the bat before cracking any more ribs. They both knew what to do with the ball and made it LULZ city. Carl knows his shortcomings but what the heck, I am not national level competitor material myself either.

OldschoolPenholder
08-24-2016, 02:56 PM
Wow Der_Echte!

Thank you for the deep insight!

UpSideDownCarl
08-24-2016, 04:38 PM
OSP and PP Holic both knew how to jam Carl up. After Carl served, they would push real deep and fast at Carl, who couldn't get out of the way even if you offered him a case of Hefeweissen. Carl's ribs must still be bruised from where I tried to hit through Carl to hit one of those returns. I trusted Carl would be out of the way. The next ones, I would stop the bat before cracking any more ribs. They both knew what to do with the ball and made it LULZ city. Carl knows his shortcomings but what the heck, I am not national level competitor material myself either.

I really wish we had footage of those plays where I was in your way. Hahaha.

Man I am bad at doubles. But, on the other side, MAN Der_Echte IS GOOD AT DOUBLES. I have actually never lost with him as my partner in doubles. And he is pretty darn good at setting me up and making me look like I am better than I am.

I have no doubt and money on it that says, no matter how good PPH and I may be as a doubles team, Der_ and OldSchool would school us.



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OldschoolPenholder
08-24-2016, 05:59 PM
Until next time :)

Der_Echte
08-24-2016, 06:56 PM
I really wish we had footage of those plays where I was in your way. Hahaha.

Man I am bad at doubles. But, on the other side, MAN Der_Echte IS GOOD AT DOUBLES. I have actually never lost with him as my partner in doubles. And he is pretty darn good at setting me up and making me look like I am better than I am.

I have no doubt and money on it that says, no matter how good PPH and I may be as a doubles team, Der_ and OldSchool would school us.



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Carl, you might sucks at some things in doubles, like getting back after serve, but you do well in the important things that allow me to overpower a ball, or stop opponent from doing that first.

If my partner cannot serve short and mix it up to keep opponent from cling in, I will not do well in doubles. If my partner cannot or will not attack a long underpin, then I will have a chance to employ my strengths.

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ttmonster
08-24-2016, 07:35 PM
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If my partner cannot serve short and mix it up to keep opponent from cling in, I will not do well in doubles. If my partner cannot or will not attack a long underpin, then I will have a chance to employ my strengths.

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For me its the other way round , if my partner can serve long and heavy, I can still deal with the third ball but if my partner cannot or will not attack a long underspin , it gets frustrating , I guess your defensive skills are way higher than mine ...

zziplexhst
10-17-2016, 04:39 PM
Welcome:)

OldschoolPenholder
10-17-2016, 04:45 PM
Welcome:)

Prego!

Der_Echte
10-18-2016, 01:28 AM
For me its the other way round , if my partner can serve long and heavy, I can still deal with the third ball but if my partner cannot or will not attack a long underspin , it gets frustrating , I guess your defensive skills are way higher than mine ...
My text should have said WILL NOT have a chance. :)

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