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TareqPhoto
10-26-2016, 12:13 AM
I am thinking to buy balls for training or practice, minimum 100, so i will go with something like those 120 packs, but i really don't know which brand or model of balls i should avoid before i buy them, any recommendations?

I have that 6 balls of XSF 3-stars and they are very very nice balls, i play with a friend for many times or hours and the balls are really nice durability, it is very much like an old balls [celluloid i mean] style, but it is really expensive and i didn't find that pack of many balls of this brand.

Nittaku and Tibhar plastic balls are nice, but i think they are expensive as large quantity packs, i found Donic coach balls but i don't know how good are those, if you know something else please let me know.

Just as a side question, should i practice with plastic balls when i am not playing any tournaments and some play with old balls and other times with plastic balls? what will be the problem if i just practice with non plastic balls but i play with plastic balls when/if needed?

Shuki
10-26-2016, 03:33 AM
nittaku j-star feel pretty darn close to nittaku premiums

Ilia Minkin
10-26-2016, 03:57 AM
You can order a bulk of XSF: http://ttnpp.com/store/ball/798-xushaofa-new-seamless-poly-ball-3-stars-ittf-x-72-39.html

I don't know how credible is this deal though, but the shop seems to be reliable.

NextLevel
10-26-2016, 04:53 AM
I bought those XSF a few times. They are a good deal. Kingnik is another good deal. Nowadays, I pay for the Yinhe from a US Supplier (Cole). The Yinhe 2* seem decent as well though I have to test them a bit more.

TareqPhoto
10-26-2016, 05:30 AM
Great, thanks!

I think i will give that XSF from ttnpp a try, sounds a good deal, i won't worry much how good quality the balls are, at least have something to start with better than nothing.

But still didn't get the answer to my question about training with celluloid balls instead of plastic, will it change things or not recommended nowadays?

Suga D
10-26-2016, 08:45 AM
But still didn't get the answer to my question about training with celluloid balls instead of plastic, will it change things or not recommended nowadays?

Well if you like to play just for the fun of it, you should grab whatever is available, but if you plan playing competitive at tournaments it would make sense to train with what will be used at the tournament.

NextLevel
10-26-2016, 01:18 PM
Well if you like to play just for the fun of it, you should grab whatever is available, but if you plan playing competitive at tournaments it would make sense to train with what will be used at the tournament.

Just like playing with blades or even preparing for a test. If you care about the result, use the blade you intend to use at the tournament or study the material that will be tested on the exam. If you don't care about the result, use any blade or just party before the exam or read up on other topics. ;)

NextLevel
10-26-2016, 01:19 PM
BTW, there are four different plastic balls and they all play differently.

UpSideDownCarl
10-26-2016, 03:48 PM
Hey, if you want to use celluloid balls for training, you can. I go back and forth from celluloid to plastic over and over because some of the places I play use celluloid balls still.

But I would rather not switch over and over. Because the technique is kind of different with the 40+ balls and celluloid balls. The spin is very different so how you contact the ball and the kind of touch you need is different.

But it is possible to go back and forth.


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Tony's Table Tennis
10-26-2016, 05:00 PM
I think any 1 star or better - 2 star is great for training
if you have the money, then go 3 star
I prefer seamless over seam

TareqPhoto
10-27-2016, 06:06 AM
It is really difficult decision, because i really don't play in any tournaments, but when i play in the club academy most members prefer to use plastic, but some others don't care and play even with cheap cell balls, and i only use 3 stars cell balls even for playing for fun, and with some friends i do have my own 3 stars plastic balls, and i mentioned that XSF is my favorite now, but i do have Tibhar 3 stars 40+ balls too, and 2 days ago when i was in the club i practiced with Nitakku 3 stars balls owned by others.

So, for practice, i care much about improving my skills and footwork and same the positions, so i may not focus much on what type of balls, and i can afford balls but i really spent a lot already so i want to save a bit for balls now, some balls may go missing and break while practicing so i don't want to buy expensive ones for training, but if there are some 1 or 2 stars plastic balls that are good enough and reasonable prices then why not, the different quality isn't an issue, i play in different places and i manage to play with different balls even cheapo 1 star balls, but even if i play with 3 stars balls it is not that much different to me, i can always use the ones i prefer either mine or others if they have, we aren't forced to use one type after all, but i only thinking about training balls, don't want highest quality ones if big quantity.

Thank you very much all!

TareqPhoto
10-27-2016, 06:17 AM
I found those two as cheapest options, did someone here tested them already?

http://ttnpp.com/store/home/840-xushaofa-new-seamless-poly-ball-1-star-144-pcs-39.html

http://ttnpp.com/store/ball/851-double-fish-new-cellulose-acetate-material-40-1-stars-ball-100-39.html

For the first one, the price is really very nice, i can buy even 2 boxes, but i would like to know the quality, sure not as other 3-stars balls including XSF itself, but if it is not that much behind or last for enough period and some training then why not.

I am not keep about Double Fish items yet, so i am not sure about their balls too, so i put them as last option after the big names i know.

TareqPhoto
10-27-2016, 06:19 AM
I think any 1 star or better - 2 star is great for training
if you have the money, then go 3 star
I prefer seamless over seam

No question about 3 star against 1/2 star ones.

I completely agree about the seamless, i also prefer the seamless one, i few times tried seam one when i practice with my friend, it sounds so heavy and not that smooth in playing, even the sound of bounce is different than most balls, but i don't know if that is because of seam/seamless or something else.

Tony's Table Tennis
10-27-2016, 05:16 PM
No question about 3 star against 1/2 star ones.

I completely agree about the seamless, i also prefer the seamless one, i few times tried seam one when i practice with my friend, it sounds so heavy and not that smooth in playing, even the sound of bounce is different than most balls, but i don't know if that is because of seam/seamless or something else.

imo, people worry too much about balls
About the 4 types of balls - I agree and disagree
There are some balls that are heavier and more celluloid feel (I know many brands that offer 2 different types of seam balls), so I would actually say, there are maybe 6 or 7 types of balls now.

But, how would you make a practice to match tournament environment?
Can you adjust tables to match
Can you adjust playing area to match
Can you adjust playing altitude to match
no you can't right?

I would say, just enjoy the game and if you can afford only 3 stars, then, you are a lucky guy

Baal
10-27-2016, 05:44 PM
imo, people worry too much about balls
About the 4 types of balls - I agree and disagree
There are some balls that are heavier and more celluloid feel (I know many brands that offer 2 different types of seam balls), so I would actually say, there are maybe 6 or 7 types of balls now.

But, how would you make a practice to match tournament environment?
Can you adjust tables to match
Can you adjust playing area to match
Can you adjust playing altitude to match
no you can't right?

I would say, just enjoy the game and if you can afford only 3 stars, then, you are a lucky guy

I agree sort of, except that I would stipulate one thing: The Chinese seamed balls are really bad still, and I hope that DHS makes fast progress in reverse engineering the Nittaku Premium. Clearly other environmental factors matter too.

Der_Echte
10-27-2016, 07:28 PM
Ball, those seamed balls you mention are not bad... they are an abomination giving the sport a double black eye like racoon.

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TareqPhoto
10-27-2016, 09:08 PM
I can afford 3 stars celluloid balls as i said, but plastic is expensive even 2 stars compared to old one, and if i go with only top brand plastic or 40+mm balls then it will cost me a lot only for balls in quantity, but i talked with a coach i mostly call and talk/ask, and he gave me an idea, so i think i should go with his idea better, and see if it works for me.

Murre5
10-28-2016, 11:55 AM
The xushaofa balls are great but 1dollar per ball is still way to expensive for a big packs of balls... This industry needs to get a grip. We use stiga 3 star in my club and everytime you hit a ball with the edge and hard you will break them.

I prefer the Nittaku balls but they are also crazy expensive.

shinhyun
10-28-2016, 12:05 PM
In my club, we use the butterfly master G40+ for training, I also have tested the xushaofa 3* and they both are almost the same, maybe the sound is different but the rest is the same. They are very resistant, I would say more than celluloïd ball. But they broke easily if you hit the edge of the blade.

TareqPhoto
10-28-2016, 10:49 PM
Ok, i think i may think more and go with whatever, the coach told me that even if i practice with celluloid balls it won't make it worse, and he said that he was playing or practicing with old balls for over 10 years, nearly 15 maybe, and he took about only 1 week to adjust for plastic balls, so if i go with old balls to practice then it won't make any problem for me to use plastic, i do play with both balls time to time and i don't have any problems with both, in fact playing with plastic is way easier than old balls, so i told the coach if i can manage to control the old balls which is faster, then plastic balls is slightly heavier and slower so it will be easier for me to adjust to it quicker, isn't mastering with difficult thing will make easier thing more manageable?!!!

He advised me to go with DHS 1 star for training if i choose old balls, he told me he does training with some members using this ball and no complain from members or even him, but if he says that DHS 1 star is that good for training then i can easily get DHS 3 star in quantity, not expensive, and it should be better than DHS 1 star, maybe he advised DHS 1 star because so much cheap and no need to go for high quality old balls anyway, but 3 star DHS is my favorite ball, if i don't play with plastic balls then i only play with DHS 3 star because i have them in small quantity also but mixed colors.

UpSideDownCarl
10-28-2016, 11:03 PM
If I actually thought you really spun the ball heavy, I would say something because, the difference between the 40mm C-ball and the 40+ P-ball is really only bothersome if you spin the ball heavy.

And if you spin the ball heavy then the ball that is harder to work with is the P-ball.

So, go for celluloid. And I agree, why not get decent 3 star C-balls if you are going to get them. They definitely play noticeably better. Therefore it will be worth it for you to get the 3 star C-balls.


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TareqPhoto
10-28-2016, 11:12 PM
If I actually thought you really spun the ball heavy, I would say something because, the difference between the 40mm C-ball and the 40+ P-ball is really only bothersome if you spin the ball heavy.

And if you spin the ball heavy then the ball that is harder to work with is the P-ball.

So, go for celluloid. And I agree, why not get decent 3 star C-balls if you are going to get them. They definitely play noticeably better. Therefore it will be worth it for you to get the 3 star C-balls.


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That was my plan, and in near future i can add some P-balls too, not necessary to buy so big quantity, the coach told me why not go with 50 balls as starer, no need to have 100+ balls, and i can easily collect the balls once they are done, and also told me i can easily buy more if needed when i can afford it, was a good idea from him, and i agree that to have spin heavy C-ball has a noticeable spin over P-Ball.

At the end, the ball isn't my main focus, maybe i shouldn't think much about balls as much i should worry about my movement or footwork and my body positions for each stroke, doesn't matter which ball, if my things wrong it will be wrong with any ball even an iron ball or sand ball, i was just worrying if training/practicing with different balls may give different results, that's all.

Also, even if i practice at home with whatever balls, i do go out and play with people, sometimes they use p-balls and some of them still go with c-balls, so i am adjusted with both and i said that i have both too and different brands, but i do play more with DHS 3 star Cball and XSF 3 star Pball.

Tony's Table Tennis
10-28-2016, 11:15 PM
That was my plan, and in near future i can add some P-balls too, not necessary to buy so big quantity, the coach told me why not go with 50 balls as starer, no need to have 100+ balls, and i can easily collect the balls once they are done, and also told me i can easily buy more if needed when i can afford it, was a good idea from him, and i agree that to have spin heavy C-ball has a noticeable spin over P-Ball.

At the end, the ball isn't my main focus, maybe i shouldn't think much about balls as much i should worry about my movement or footwork and my body positions for each stroke, doesn't matter which ball, if my things wrong it will be wrong with any ball even an iron ball or sand ball, i was just worrying if training/practicing with different balls may give different results, that's all.

Also, even if i practice at home with whatever balls, i do go out and play with people, sometimes they use p-balls and some of them still go with c-balls, so i am adjusted with both and i said that i have both too and different brands, but i do play more with DHS 3 star Cball and XSF 3 star Pball.

Cball is no longer in production, what ever is left in the market, is it.
So this is a short term plan

Ideally I would say one needs 300 balls for training.
Multiball or service training, 300 balls is ideal.

If you have a good blocker, than 3 to 6 balls is enough. But otherwise, get 300 balls and can get quality and quantity up there.
Spend more time hitting the ball, less time picking it up.
You can count how many years of your life you wasted picking up balls when you hit 80 years old :)
Thank me for saving you many years :)

TareqPhoto
10-29-2016, 06:09 AM
Cball is no longer in production, what ever is left in the market, is it.
So this is a short term plan

Ideally I would say one needs 300 balls for training.
Multiball or service training, 300 balls is ideal.

If you have a good blocker, than 3 to 6 balls is enough. But otherwise, get 300 balls and can get quality and quantity up there.
Spend more time hitting the ball, less time picking it up.
You can count how many years of your life you wasted picking up balls when you hit 80 years old :)
Thank me for saving you many years :)

The only way soon for me to get more than 100+ or say 300 balls is to go with Cballs, no matter how old they are or how long they are gone from production it doesn't matter, for now i am not planning to afford more than 100 balls of Pball, and you have a valid point also about picking the balls.

Really need time to decide anything, sounds Pball is the way to go, so if i will buy a quantity in this case i have to wait longer and start to save money for Pball for training in quantity, not sure until that time i can get them what i will miss or waste time in my life not starting yet.

Tony's Table Tennis
10-29-2016, 08:07 AM
The only way soon for me to get more than 100+ or say 300 balls is to go with Cballs, no matter how old they are or how long they are gone from production it doesn't matter, for now i am not planning to afford more than 100 balls of Pball, and you have a valid point also about picking the balls.

Really need time to decide anything, sounds Pball is the way to go, so if i will buy a quantity in this case i have to wait longer and start to save money for Pball for training in quantity, not sure until that time i can get them what i will miss or waste time in my life not starting yet.

I think let me try and rephrase in more details
If you want C ball - go and buy it today, as maybe they won't sell it tomorrow!!! go now and buy!!! hurry up, there is no more stock coming in!! go go go

option2
If you are thinking long term, what happens when you run low of 300 Cball, you will top it up with P Ball, so your box will be half C and half P

Good luck with your purchase

TareqPhoto
10-29-2016, 07:02 PM
I think let me try and rephrase in more details
If you want C ball - go and buy it today, as maybe they won't sell it tomorrow!!! go now and buy!!! hurry up, there is no more stock coming in!! go go go

option2
If you are thinking long term, what happens when you run low of 300 Cball, you will top it up with P Ball, so your box will be half C and half P

Good luck with your purchase

I mean, i can buy Cballs now at good prices, and wait longer, maybe some or most Pballs will get cheaper months after months or years after years, i just started or say getting back to TT last year and that Pball aren't so spread out much in my country or worldwide, so i feel they are still new and need time to have good price reduced in the future.

Murre5
12-11-2016, 09:05 PM
Anyone tried the Kinson 2* ball? I have some 1* Kinson balls and I think they are quite decent, and the 2* are only 30$ for 72. Thinking of buying a box... I mean my club mostly plays with 1* stiga 40+ balls right now and I can't see my Kinson being worse. They don't break as often at least.

TareqPhoto
12-13-2016, 06:14 PM
Anyone tried the Kinson 2* ball? I have some 1* Kinson balls and I think they are quite decent, and the 2* are only 30$ for 72. Thinking of buying a box... I mean my club mostly plays with 1* stiga 40+ balls right now and I can't see my Kinson being worse. They don't break as often at least.

I really hope to see more of that 2* 40+ balls, at least if i can't afford some of decent 3* 40+ then at least 2* is cheaper, and it should be better than 1* anyway, but for me i can always just wait longer because i already have so many balls of 40mm old one and i already bought DHS 1* D40+ balls [100] which will be in use for a while, once i break or damage most of those then i will be ready for any new 40+ balls.

TareqPhoto
12-13-2016, 06:22 PM
I will keep my eyes on reviews about Donic coach and XSF and Schildkrot 1* 40+balls, they are the cheapest i found with 120 balls, at the end they will not break right in first day, and once i lose most of them i can simply buy them again later at that cheaper price of them.

Also there is Nittaku J-Top training balls, sounds new, but not sure how good they are, but i have a feeling that for not that hard training any ball can last longer, and i don't think i will find many defective non round balls amount them, so i may choose another one rather than the DHS and give it a shot.