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Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-24-2016, 07:42 AM
The winners of those tournaments will be included in the Japan National Team for 2017 asian games and 2017 world championships

on the Mens side, MIZUTANI and NIWA are already part of the team due to their rankings

There was a group stage, 4 groups of 6 players with 2 players qualified into the following knock out tournament

FUJIMURA - HARIMOTO
OSHIMA - MURAMATSU
MORIZONO - YOSHIDA Kaii
MATSUDAIRA Kenta - YOSHIMURA

on the Ladies side, i think ISHIKAWA ITO FUKUHARA and HIRANO are already part of the team, they are not playing this tournament
8 players were exempt of the group stage where there were 4 groups of 6 players

we have the following knockout tournament

HAMAMOTO Yui / YAMAMOTO Rei
MORI Sakura / NAKAHATA Natsumi
MORIZONO Misaki / MAEDA Miyu
MORIZONO Mitsuki / ISHIGAKI Yuka
SATO Hitomi / MATSUZAWA Marina
SHIBATA Saki / HASHIMOTO Honoka
KATO Miyu / SUZUKI Rika
SAKAE / HAYATA Hina

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-24-2016, 07:44 AM
get the info here in Japanese
https://twitter.com/teletaku

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-24-2016, 08:17 AM
HARIMOTO beats FUJIMURA 4-1
OSHIMA beats MURAMATSU 4-0

MATSUDAIRA beats YOSHIMURA 4-3
YOSHIDA beats MORIZONO 4-2

they will fight together in the semifinals (tomorrow)
HARIMOTO - OSHIMA
MATSUDAIRA - YOSHIDA

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Ladies results

HAMAMOTO Yui / YAMAMOTO Rei 4-2
MORI Sakura / NAKAHATA Natsumi 4-1
MORIZONO Misaki / MAEDA Miyu 4-2
MORIZONO Mitsuki / ISHIGAKI Yuka 3-4
SATO Hitomi / MATSUZAWA Marina 2-4
SHIBATA Saki / HASHIMOTO Honoka 4-1
KATO Miyu / SUZUKI Rika 4-1
SAKAE / HAYATA Hina 0-4


Quarterfinals
HAMAMOTO - MORI 4-3
MORIZONO - ISHIGAKI 4-0
MATSUZAWA - SHIBATA 3-4
KATO Miyu - HAYATA 4-1 (todays biggest upset)


Semis tomorrow
HAMAMOTO - MORIZONO
SHIBATA - KATO

ttpshot
12-25-2016, 03:33 AM
Here's a link to the live coverage, currently showing Matsudaira - Ohshima in the final.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elkOzw480Uw

Nilsragnar
12-25-2016, 11:37 AM
How did it go in the finals?

Any videos?

ttpshot
12-25-2016, 11:48 AM
How did it go in the finals?

Any videos?

Men's final highlight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUHiEC3KCig

Women's final highlight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-LAVfEdmko

Kenta Matsudaira and Miyu Kato won respectively.
Harimoto is also expected to be chosen by the JTTA by making to semis, making him the youngest man to represent Japan.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-25-2016, 01:09 PM
i saw todays games live

it was a superb battle between Matsudaira and Oshima. Matsudaira confirms he is currently the no2 Japanese player. He has beaten all his main adversaries except Mizutani recently. He has done very well in his last ITTF opens as well.

Clearly his style has a bit changed for the better, and he seems to have some new motivation...

NextLevel
12-25-2016, 02:15 PM
i saw todays games live

it was a superb battle between Matsudaira and Oshima. Matsudaira confirms he is currently the no2 Japanese player. He has beaten all his main adversaries except Mizutani recently. He has done very well in his last ITTF opens as well.

Clearly his style has a bit changed for the better, and he seems to have some new motivation...


Matsudaira was a constant on the team until the last two years. That is enough motivation. He had become a bit too entitled.

laistrogian
12-25-2016, 04:38 PM
I wonder if Yoshimura will be selected given that he played 3-4 against Matsudaira who won.

On the other hand, putting in Harimoto might be a good experience for him to play in the bigger stages with his seniors on team format. Japan needs to find a replacement for mizutani after all given his age and a probable performance drop after the tokyo olympic

doraemon
12-25-2016, 09:46 PM
i saw todays games live

it was a superb battle between Matsudaira and Oshima. Matsudaira confirms he is currently the no2 Japanese player. He has beaten all his main adversaries except Mizutani recently. He has done very well in his last ITTF opens as well.

Clearly his style has a bit changed for the better, and he seems to have some new motivation...
i thought the no.2 player was koki niwa...

Raylazyfo
12-25-2016, 10:13 PM
i thought the no.2 player was koki niwa...
I think he is referring to when matsudaira beat niwa in the austrian open

ttpshot
12-26-2016, 12:19 AM
i saw todays games live

it was a superb battle between Matsudaira and Oshima. Matsudaira confirms he is currently the no2 Japanese player. He has beaten all his main adversaries except Mizutani recently. He has done very well in his last ITTF opens as well.

Clearly his style has a bit changed for the better, and he seems to have some new motivation...

Must be his new blade!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-26-2016, 12:21 AM
or his (new ?) coach ?

ttpshot
12-26-2016, 07:28 AM
Matsudaira had a awesome games and I'm glad he won the selection tournament 2 years in a row.
So, now 3 out of 5 players are decided (Mizu, Niwa, Matsudaira) and 2 will be decided if he 1) wins nationals or 2) beat 6 or more top 30 ranked players or 3) is chosen by selectors based on performance in international tournaments.

It'll be a toss up between Yoshimura, Oshima, Muramatsu and Harimoto.
I would be very tempted to select Harimoto if I were the selector, especialy with Tokyo Olympic in sight but we'll see.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-26-2016, 08:13 AM
for girls, can you confirm its all decided

ISHIKAWA FUKUHARA ITO HIRANO + KATO ?
i'm not sure but i think there is a 6th slot just in case of injury

ajtatosmano2
12-26-2016, 09:18 AM
Harimoto can wait a few more years. He is very very good, but still not enough to be a team member. I think Oshima should get the fourth place, he is definitely stronger than the others. Yoshimura also a good player, but I think his performance in international tournaments not as good as he really is (mentally not that good?). However Muramatsu always give his best and reaches a good stage in tournaments. Fifth place is really hard... I can see even Ueda Jin an option, if he maintains his great shape (but that's not too likely to happen). I'm still waiting for the Kenta/Niwa double back...

NextLevel
12-26-2016, 01:07 PM
Harimoto can wait a few more years. He is very very good, but still not enough to be a team member. I think Oshima should get the fourth place, he is definitely stronger than the others. Yoshimura also a good player, but I think his performance in international tournaments not as good as he really is (mentally not that good?). However Muramatsu always give his best and reaches a good stage in tournaments. Fifth place is really hard... I can see even Ueda Jin an option, if he maintains his great shape (but that's not too likely to happen). I'm still waiting for the Kenta/Niwa double back...

Tokyo 2020 is only 4 years away. If they believe Harimoto will be good enough, no point in waiting.

ttpshot
12-26-2016, 03:22 PM
for girls, can you confirm its all decided

ISHIKAWA FUKUHARA ITO HIRANO + KATO ?
i'm not sure but i think there is a 6th slot just in case of injury

Ishikawa, Ito, Hirano, Kato is in by World rankings and points system. Remaining 1 will be decided by the results of the Nationals. Winner is in automatically if it's won by anyone outside of this 4. If ishikawa wins for example, it'll be decided by points
system so toss up between Hashimoto and Sato. Fukuhara is not in contention as she'll lose her rankings next month and also not participating in the Nationals.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-26-2016, 03:25 PM
wow, it looks more and more like we will see less and less of Fukuhara in the JNT, maybe her time is already over...
she said she just wants to become a good housewife...

http://www.ittf.com/2016/12/25/roles-changed-ai-fukuhara-still-chooses-table-tennis/

ajtatosmano2
12-26-2016, 06:43 PM
Tokyo 2020 is only 4 years away. If they believe Harimoto will be good enough, no point in waiting.
Tokyo 2020 is a thing, but other events coming sooner is a different matter.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-26-2016, 09:35 PM
Tokyo 2020 is a thing, but other events coming sooner is a different matter.

I guess you still don't understand how asian countries and olympic cycle work
If you look at everything Japan has done the pass 2 years, it is all about 2020 olympics

The amount of cadets they sent out
The amount of juniors they sent out
The amount of U21 they sent out

The amount of support staff for all the 50+ cadet, juniors, U21 they sent out, paired with 1 coach each and with training staff each
It is all for 2020

at WJTTC I see 8 kids, with about 20 adults.....China had 8 kids with 4 coaches, 1 delegate, 1 translator

It is a thing yes, but I guess you don't really know how much priority winning a gold medal at this thing means

NextLevel
12-26-2016, 10:00 PM
Tokyo 2020 is a thing, but other events coming sooner is a different matter.

I am happy Tony said it not me, but you really don't understand how top athletes are built in the Asian systems. There are only 2 WTTC events and 2 team WTTTC events between now and the Olympics. You really think that they want to prepare their Olympic team now or they want to win the events with a team that they will not field in 4 years?

They may not take Harimoto but it is not because they have time. Do you think Fan Zhendong was really the #6 player in 2013 when they sent him to WTTC? Harimoto is already behind if they consider him a serious choice for Tokyo. If they don't take Hatimoto, they have to explain whether he is a serious choice for Tokyo or not. He may not play a single match or may play only weaker teams and be may even be allows to lose against teams they know they will beat, but the senior national team experience has to be fully within him to make him relaxed in Tokyo. They also want to evaluate him earlier rather than later.

laistrogian
12-27-2016, 04:44 AM
Tokyo 2020 is a thing, but other events coming sooner is a different matter.

Like the other 2 said, tokyo 2020 is their main goal. You can bet JTTA won't accept anything lower on silver on team and bronze on single.

The women's team will be pressed down to get silver on team since they got it in london and yet failed in rio.

Mizutani got the first ever men's single medal for japan and i'm sure they want another one at least

ajtatosmano2
12-27-2016, 09:13 AM
I understand the reason, but I do not agree with it. I would wait two years with Harimoto and give a chance to another player. Become a national team member is the next goal of Harimoto. If they put in the team and say 'you will represent us in Olympics, you are a fix member' that goal disappears. Of course, HT can say 'I wanna beat everyone in the world' but that isn't that concrete. He trains with national team members, he know their skills well and that gives him a touchable motivation. Beating a less known opponent, for example Ovcharov? 'Yeah, he plays very well and I have to be better.' This way he can't feel what should he reach. Beating a well known opponent, for example Mizutani? 'Last week we played a tough match! I have to improve my FH loop to win. Next week I should take a few more point!' I hope you can feel the difference!

AndySmith
12-27-2016, 10:07 AM
Here's a vid of the whole 7th set of the Oshima v Kenta match.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSxOAI9ZNgg

Tony's Table Tennis
12-27-2016, 10:23 AM
Like the other 2 said, tokyo 2020 is their main goal. You can bet JTTA won't accept anything lower on silver on team and bronze on single.

The women's team will be pressed down to get silver on team since they got it in london and yet failed in rio.

Mizutani got the first ever men's single medal for japan and i'm sure they want another one at least

They are going for gold, not bronze or silver

Tony's Table Tennis
12-27-2016, 10:27 AM
I understand the reason, but I do not agree with it. I would wait two years with Harimoto and give a chance to another player. Become a national team member is the next goal of Harimoto. If they put in the team and say 'you will represent us in Olympics, you are a fix member' that goal disappears. Of course, HT can say 'I wanna beat everyone in the world' but that isn't that concrete. He trains with national team members, he know their skills well and that gives him a touchable motivation. Beating a less known opponent, for example Ovcharov? 'Yeah, he plays very well and I have to be better.' This way he can't feel what should he reach. Beating a well known opponent, for example Mizutani? 'Last week we played a tough match! I have to improve my FH loop to win. Next week I should take a few more point!' I hope you can feel the difference!

The gap of the mens team is indeed wider, but in another 2 years, a 16/17 year old then could become top 3 in Japan and become a medal opportunist for 2020
What is wrong with bringing a 15 year old to WTTTC? check where FZD is today.
And i'm sure you know, "put him into the team" doesn't = he is already in the olympics....

Remember, these guys look into the future, and are not like a walnder or timo boll where they continue playing until 35 and not having a continuation plan
Every few years or 5 years, you will get another japanese player into the top 20 in the world. this is facts

The girls part is easier to tell with the older players coming out for likely 2 young ones with kasumi if she is still up there in 4 years time. Or they will just field 3 young players. The young girls are already as good as the older ones and can only get stronger when they hit 20 years old

But i'm sure you don't agree with the current and only country with a 2 coaching staff to 1 player ratio of contingent of genius to prepare for gold
Other than human resource, there is a lot of money provided for the preparations of it
The young kids imo has been doing well the pass 2 years of tokyo 2020 planning
with another 2 to 3 years to go, we can see if the plan is on track, so far japan's youth is much better than the previous genius as a whole unit

ajtatosmano2
12-27-2016, 11:14 AM
The gap of the mens team is indeed wider, but in another 2 years, a 16/17 year old then could become top 3 in Japan and become a medal opportunist for 2020
What is wrong with bringing a 15 year old to WTTTC? check where FZD is today.
And i'm sure you know, "put him into the team" doesn't = he is already in the olympics....

I still don't think that putting him into the team would be really beneficial to Harimoto. They will send him to world tours, but as I said, a little more fight for become a JNT member would be another motivating factor. And I wouldn't relate FZD's participation in the WTTTC to his current place that clearly. If Harimoto is the strongest candidate, then put him into the team. But if not, then give a chance to someone else. He will get enough experience without the next team event.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-27-2016, 06:35 PM
I still don't think that putting him into the team would be really beneficial to Harimoto. They will send him to world tours, but as I said, a little more fight for become a JNT member would be another motivating factor. And I wouldn't relate FZD's participation in the WTTTC to his current place that clearly. If Harimoto is the strongest candidate, then put him into the team. But if not, then give a chance to someone else. He will get enough experience without the next team event.

Well, it doesn't matter what you or I think
There is enough minds in the Japanese camp,
Some of the best Chinese, Korean and Japanese minds to worry about this issue

ttpshot
12-28-2016, 06:29 AM
Mizutani debuted for JNT at 15 and Niwa at 14 so I have no problem if Harimoto is in. His world ranking is higher than these 2 when they were in. He has beaten last year's Nationals finalist twice this year and currently ranked top 10 in Japan anyways.

The reason why there are so many players/coaches in World Tour is the funding from JOC. It's beneficial especially for men as women are sponsored individually and able to form their own support team (just like in Tennis).