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TableTennisDaily
12-29-2016, 02:17 PM
Just when you think you have seen the top 10 craziest shots of 2016, think again! Stephane Ouaiche met Marcos Freitas in the Champions League and pulled off one of the most ridiculous table tennis shots we have ever seen! Not only was it an incredible shot, the rally was absolutely phenomenal with a brilliant chop!

See for yourself below!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCQrMgy3koA

See TableTennisDaily's top 10 craziest table tennis shots of 2016 here. (https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?14504-Top-10-Craziest-Table-Tennis-Shots-of-2016!)

NextLevel
12-29-2016, 02:22 PM
As much as I think a lot of that rally is just bad table tennis, that is absolutely astonishing.

Tinykin
12-29-2016, 03:06 PM
Through my old man's eyesight, I saw only a fantastic rally.

AndySmith
12-29-2016, 03:16 PM
NL is not full of the xmas spirit.

NextLevel
12-29-2016, 03:20 PM
NL is not full of the xmas spirit.

I just assumed (wrongly) that since it was Ouaiche, he ran back without being forced back to play that kind of stuff. I would rather that he lost that point trying to counter Freitas's backhand down the line back to Freitas's forehand but I can't have it all. He is who he is. The chopping and the other stuff, I can do without too. I am who I am.

AndySmith
12-29-2016, 03:22 PM
I just assumed (wrongly) that since it was Ouaiche, he ran back without being forced back to play that kind of stuff. I would rather that he lost that point trying to counter Freitas's backhand down the line back to Freitas's forehand but I can't have it all. He is who he is. The chopping and the other stuff, I can do without too. I am who I am.

The man just loves playing from the car park. IS THAT SO WRONG? :D

He's more of an entertainer than a sportsman. The new Eddie the Eagle.

NextLevel
12-29-2016, 03:27 PM
The man just loves playing from the car park. IS THAT SO WRONG? :D

He's more of an entertainer than a sportsman. The new Eddie the Eagle.

Why leave TT when Patrick Chila and Adrien Mattenet and lots of other Frenchmen still play?

Xu Xin is entertaining. Ouaiche is a sinner.

AndySmith
12-29-2016, 05:14 PM
Why leave TT when Patrick Chila and Adrien Mattenet and lots of other Frenchmen still play?

Xu Xin is entertaining. Ouaiche is a sinner.

You're just jealous because he sometimes stands more than 10cm away from the edge of the table. An impossible dream for the likes of us, but something to be celebrated rather than excommunicated.

He's the future. If Lebesson can win the Euros, Ouaiche can be president of the US.

TTHopeful
12-29-2016, 08:22 PM
The confidence in hitting that backhand is obscene!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-30-2016, 12:26 AM
i am not so impressed by the last BH, it is a nice way to win the point but i am way more impressed by all the difficult lobbing left and right with a lot of travelling, without losing his balance, by the defense chop in the middle of the rally. its not easy at all to get the right touch after so many attacking or lobbing shots and a fast bat and rubbers.

but BH smash is also one of my "signature" shots, on a high ball or if i am very confident, i like to try it, it is always a bit spectacular because its a bit unusual and most of the time one can hit a FH instead. the key to make a good BH flat hit / smash is to keep the same wrist angle and lock the bat with the wrist, use the full arm to swing and firm the wrist upon impact.

NextLevel
12-30-2016, 12:44 AM
You're just jealous because he sometimes stands more than 10cm away from the edge of the table. An impossible dream for the likes of us, but something to be celebrated rather than excommunicated.

He's the future. If Lebesson can win the Euros, Ouaiche can be president of the US.
Let me play the Grinch in another way - if he won the match 3-0 playing that way, then I am impressed. Otherwise, it is just another random highlight that we all ooh and ahh at that will be as remembered as Patrick Chila is in a few years.

TTHopeful
12-30-2016, 07:50 AM
Is the full match anywhere? Who won the game?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-30-2016, 08:39 AM
I don't like Ouaiche 's style but amazingly he has managed to become a French National Champion when he was a huge underdog. However i don't think he can win more important titles playing the way he is now

kadamestriaw
12-30-2016, 01:00 PM
Wtf...only one point? Put the whole match mother cluckers!!!

vaggelinho
12-30-2016, 11:17 PM
The precision that had to be put in this stroke is ridiculous.

anelo
01-02-2017, 06:48 PM
The same point from the other side (PPC Villeneuve camera)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mECvfwRKHlM

doraemon
01-03-2017, 01:11 AM
Is the full match anywhere? Who won the game?
Quaiche won 3-2!

UpSideDownCarl
01-03-2017, 04:32 AM
i am not so impressed by the last BH, it is a nice way to win the point but i am way more impressed by all the difficult lobbing left and right with a lot of travelling, without losing his balance, by the defense chop in the middle of the rally. its not easy at all to get the right touch after so many attacking or lobbing shots and a fast bat and rubbers.

but BH smash is also one of my "signature" shots, on a high ball or if i am very confident, i like to try it, it is always a bit spectacular because its a bit unusual and most of the time one can hit a FH instead. the key to make a good BH flat hit / smash is to keep the same wrist angle and lock the bat with the wrist, use the full arm to swing and firm the wrist upon impact.

Watch the arc on the ball. That is not a flat hit. That is a loop. Also, it is hit vs heavy backspin. Not a flat hit. No flat hit has that much curve on the ball either.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-03-2017, 10:05 AM
its difficult to tell the amount of spin on Freitas last ball, its difficult to judge that for any ball on TV especially with only one angle, but based on my feeling only, we see Ouaiche chopping hard the ball before, and it looks like Freitas, at the end of this long rally is playing his last ball rather conservatively. After pushing a long ball from a chop, its frequent that the ball pops up a little and becomes no or little spin

I think thats what happened and Freitas perhaps did not expect Ouaiche to come back from far back to hit such a ball. Yes Ouaiche is hitting the ball with some spin, but its more a flat hit than a topspin to me on that last ball

Archosaurus
01-03-2017, 10:24 AM
I'm pretty sure that's not a flat hit just based on how the ball dips after it comes off the table.

TTHopeful
01-03-2017, 10:34 AM
Love how the camera is shaking from Stephanes team celebrating!

UpSideDownCarl
01-03-2017, 01:25 PM
its difficult to tell the amount of spin on Freitas last ball, its difficult to judge that for any ball on TV especially with only one angle, but based on my feeling only, we see Ouaiche chopping hard the ball before, and it looks like Freitas, at the end of this long rally is playing his last ball rather conservatively. After pushing a long ball from a chop, its frequent that the ball pops up a little and becomes no or little spin

I think thats what happened and Freitas perhaps did not expect Ouaiche to come back from far back to hit such a ball. Yes Ouaiche is hitting the ball with some spin, but its more a flat hit than a topspin to me on that last ball

Freitas lightly touches the chop and it jumps off his racket going back. The chop had to have a decent amount of spin for that to happen. Freitas just gave the spin back. He just touched the ball and it jumps back. It as not high. But it is long. One of the things heavy, heavy backspin does for a good server is, it prevents the opponent from dropping the ball short because of exactly what happened from the spin off Freitas's light touch.

Look at the angle of the racket on Ouaiche's backswing. Not an angle for a flat hit. Look how fast the ball is going and look how right near the end of the table the ball arcs down sharply or it would have gone long. Look at the kick on the ball on the bounce, how much the ball accelerates on the bounce, and how it kicks low and straight forward, not up. Look at how fast it arcs down towards the floor after the acceleration of the bounce. Look at how much it kicks on the bounce on the floor. That bounce arcs and it bounces second time on the floor just before hitting the barricade. The ball sticks to the barricade and does not roll away from the barricade in spite of hitting it with some force. And as the camera is about to cut off, it starts rolling towards the left while still against the barricade. That could not happen with a flat hit. If it was a flat hit it would have kept flying and probably reached the barricade without a bounce. If it did bounce, with that kind of speed it would not have bounced twice. And when it hit the barricade with some impact, it would have rolled away from the barricade.

Sorry, no disrespect intended, but I am not so sure you are looking at this closely. Our eyes can fool us just like when a tricky player serves and we misread the spin. But if you watch the ball closely it reacts like it has a lot of spin on it. Not like a Pnachtwey loop.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-03-2017, 03:00 PM
yes you are right. its not a flat hit but our little debate is of little meaning, actually pro players almost never flat hit a ball. what matters is that he hits the ball as hard as he could on this shot and there is lot of horizontal speed. the axis of his move is his shoulder, he uses his full arm.

yes i should have looked better, we don't see well the angle of his racket at impact but at finish its closed so he must have hit the ball at the top of the bounce with a rather closed angle.

I think as amateur players we wouldn't think of Freitas ball as particularly high, but i think for a pro player it is and thats why Ouaiche went for this ball so agressively I believe.

UpSideDownCarl
01-03-2017, 04:01 PM
It is also interesting how he can fully turn towards the BH and take the ball with his feet turned fully. If that ball was coming back, that would mess him up for the next shot. But with that stance he was really able to turn into the ball. Much more power from the hips and legs than you can get with a traditional TT BH stance.

Kind of like a slimjimmi BH. Hahaha.


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