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TTLondon2012
02-22-2017, 06:49 PM
At the Qatar Open (https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?14935-Qatar-Open-2017) today 13 year old Tomokazu Harimoto was leading 10-0 against his opponent. Watch what Harimoto did at 10-0!

Enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfLODLojaE

What do you do when your leading 10-0? :)

shinhyun
02-22-2017, 07:12 PM
I dont get it xD

Suga D
02-22-2017, 07:43 PM
I think it's nice he apologises.
Last time i was leading 10:0 i slammed one in the net and my opponent said thanks for not embarrassing him.

ttmonster
02-22-2017, 08:39 PM
I think its perfectly fine , in this case he was trying to lose it but it landed or he forgot the score. from my personal POV if I am losing 10-0, I deserve to lose 11-0, so I would rather have my opponent beat me 11-0 , for me thats less embarrassing . In fact, if somebody gives me a point at 10-0 , I would keep fighting for the next point and the next, because it was his prerogative to give the point and I would rather ignore the fact that I got a mercy point and rather put some points on the board to make it look the scores a little better. But then thats how I think ...

Ioiettino
02-22-2017, 10:03 PM
I also think he was aiming just off the table, so as not to make it too obvious. This would have been quite a risky angle, too. And of course the ball landed...

In France at least it's a cultural thing, without it being mentioned. Playing as a junior I landed one of my fastest serves ever attempting to do just that, bang in the corner of the table. Sure didn't feel proud... The senior guy accompanying our team got slightly upset and later on just whispered to me "good thing I got to the scoresheet first". 11-1.

It'd be nice to have feedback from Japanese people to know if you have ever witnessed or heard of this kind of "unspoken rule".

Takkyu_wa_inochi
02-22-2017, 10:32 PM
I also think he was aiming just off the table, so as not to make it too obvious. This would have been quite a risky angle, too. And of course the ball landed...

In France at least it's a cultural thing, without it being mentioned. Playing as a junior I landed one of my fastest serves ever attempting to do just that, bang in the corner of the table. Sure didn't feel proud... The senior guy accompanying our team got slightly upset and later on just whispered to me "good thing I got to the scoresheet first". 11-1.

It'd be nice to have feedback from Japanese people to know if you have ever witnessed or heard of this kind of "unspoken rule".

nope they don't care about 11-0 here. Actually thats the kind of embarrassing i wish not to remember. I remember playing in a tournament last year a guy who was way too strong for me. In the last set, i was really fighting for every ball, i remember i had a few chances to kill the ball but i missed them, and now if you ask me i lost it 11-3 11-2 or 11-1 but the truth is it might have been 11-0 LOL... Nope no mercy points here.

Shifu
02-22-2017, 10:59 PM
In Germany it's common too to make an easy mistake if you lead 10-0, but not everyone does it and no one would be angry. It's just a nice and humble gesture i think.

Ioiettino
02-22-2017, 11:00 PM
Ok. Note that the man I mentioned was quite old school, and so were the ones who had taught me to just not do that (as a kid especially, my first instinct sure would have been to go for the kill... I'm starting to wonder whether landing the serve despite the wild swing wasn't a case of conscious Vs. unconscious :o). Things might have changed.

Thanks, anyway. And I think we all know your taking the beating was merely a way to conduct a social experiment.;)

Ioiettino
02-22-2017, 11:01 PM
In Germany it's common too to make an easy mistake if you lead 10-0, but not everyone does it and no one would be angry. It's just a nice and humble gesture i think.

Cool.

Ian
02-22-2017, 11:36 PM
He was 10-0 up in the first game and gave away a point by hitting a fault serve.
You can tell he was trying to miss that shot. You can see by his expression when he accidentally lands it that he felt bad.

sanavasaraja
02-22-2017, 11:47 PM
We definitely do it here where I train in Finland. If someone were to forget about it, he would definitely get at least a bad look from his own teammates. It's perceived as rude not to do it. Of course, between friends in training I always take the opportunity to shout my lungs out "HA YOU GOT DESTROYED SON!!" j/k :D

If you asked me, Harimoto really does look like he wanted to give him a point but forgot about the score and realized it right when the ball hit the table -- or he accidentally hit the table when trying to overshoot or something. But then again Takkyu_wa_inochi said it's not a thing in Japan. Or then again it might not be a thing but Harimoto knows that it is in a lot of places internationally. I'd love to hear Harimoto himself on what he was doing there!

fxri
02-23-2017, 12:36 AM
I think its perfectly fine , in this case he was trying to lose it but it landed or he forgot the score. from my personal POV if I am losing 10-0, I deserve to lose 11-0, so I would rather have my opponent beat me 11-0 , for me thats less embarrassing . In fact, if somebody gives me a point at 10-0 , I would keep fighting for the next point and the next, because it was his prerogative to give the point and I would rather ignore the fact that I got a mercy point and rather put some points on the board to make it look the scores a little better. But then thats how I think ...

can't agree more, better beaten 10-0 then given a mercy point by the opponent

LordPippington
02-23-2017, 03:08 AM
I found myself in a rough spot during a match, being down 0-10. Things weren't looking great, but I told the other guy "Ok, I can't let you have anymore." He gave me a laugh.

I went on to win that game 12-10! I've seen Xu Xin come back to beat Jun Mitzutani after being down 10-4. That match was running through my mind during my come-back run. "Just remember what Xu Xin did..." And sure enough, I managed to do so the same. ;)

Mercy points are more insulting! Better to do exhibition points if anything. Hitting your ball into the net so the other guy can have a "1" next to his name, for a point he didn't earn, is more humiliating to me!

kopah
02-23-2017, 03:10 AM
It would be funny to find an older example when the sets were played until 21st point.
Maybe there is an example of 21-0 :D Now, that is called embarrassment!

CroneOne
02-23-2017, 03:57 AM
I was expecting some sort of come back from the opponent to win 11-10 by the name of this title. Click bait win.

Garrison
02-23-2017, 08:04 AM
He wants to lose but his muscle memory isn't having it! :D

Anders
02-23-2017, 08:15 AM
I would never give away a point, no matter what the score or who I play. Playing at high level, you get nothing for free, so I don't see the point with starting to give away things. I also think it would be quite rude to give a point, like telling your opponent "you're so bad you can't win your own points, here's a free one!"

Disrespectful in my opinion.

Der_Echte
02-23-2017, 08:59 AM
I realized in a match last year vs an Indian player when I waz up 9-0 in first game I should give away a point (but be subtle about it) so I went Rambo wild low percentage, but my two wild shots landed and I had to tell Larry Hodges sorry for goose egging his student in an official tourney.

2 months later, same guy gained huge in a tourney and almost equaled my rating. That might be the last time I could goose egg him.

BeGo
02-23-2017, 09:18 AM
Agree.

Japs I know mostly fair, no nonsense People.


Imagine how my face is, when a friend of mine drive 20 km to my house, to return usd 0.30 which He borrowed.

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Airoc
02-24-2017, 09:30 AM
I practice regularly with a guy way above my level. If, fortunately not very often, the score gets to 10-0 and he gives a point I give it back. This is the part that some don´t get - when given, return.

But basically I don´t see much difference between 11-1 and 11-0. One is a clear defeat, the other an embarassment?

ajtatosmano2
02-24-2017, 10:54 AM
Giving one point is nothing else than a sign of respect. It's not a mercy point. It says: 'you fought good' or 'I know you're better than this'. Giving one point is not the same as don't take the opponent seriously.

dio_hgw
02-24-2017, 12:32 PM
Personally, I think a point should deffinately be given only to a begginer or a very young player who may probably be frustrated. Even then what mostly matters is how the points are played. The young low level player should be given the chance to exchange some shots during each rally.
In all other cases, giving a point or not doesn't/shouldn't really matter.

ttmonster
02-24-2017, 07:40 PM
May be its my lack of grey cells , but how is giving away a point in a game where the opponent is losing miserably not a sign of mercy and a sign of respect ... I can understand if the umpire makes a mistake and the opponent and you agree on that and the umpire is not listening or something like that . The reason behind giving the point back is along the lines of "I don't want your charity" but masking it as "okay I surrender" .

But think along these lines, isn't it like not giving your opponent any chance to come back from 10-0 down ? because if you give him a point he is pretty much forced to give it back instead of trying to play hard and beat you 12-10 ? so essentially when you strip away all the ruse around it , the person who got to 10-0 first essentially wins the game without trying to win another point like "buy 10 get 1 free" ... whereas he should really earn it ...


Giving one point is nothing else than a sign of respect. It's not a mercy point. It says: 'you fought good' or 'I know you're better than this'. Giving one point is not the same as don't take the opponent seriously.

Pandaboii97
03-06-2017, 10:47 PM
Harimoto feels bad after scoring that point. U can see it from his face lol.

phorkyas
11-16-2017, 06:01 PM
In Germany it's common too to make an easy mistake if you lead 10-0, but not everyone does it and no one would be angry. It's just a nice and humble gesture i think.Yeah. Did it in my last game. Man, did it fire back! Just one lose point and my opponent got back into the game: my teammate would dryly comment to my son: there he gave away a point and there a whole set.
So I had to fight through the final 7th set to win the game. Not recommended.

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Simas
11-16-2017, 07:54 PM
Where I play, there is no such tradition as giving a point. If you loose, you loose, face it and move on. There is nothing very shameful in loosing. Maybe your opponent is in a different league and you are having a bad day, or just a very bad day. In my club giving a point when you are winning 10-0 could be considered rubbing opponents nose in your victory, like showing that he is unable to get even one point.

But that's not what I want to say. I want to say, that this action is irrational by itself and because of that you can't argue here. So what this action means is defined only by the tradition of the community. It can be an action of giving a respect in one place and it can be showing a disrespect in some other place at the same time perfectly.

So if i was the opponent of Harimoto (it would be nice, but no chances here :) ) and I was loosing 0-10 (it would be every time) and he gave me a point, there is a chance I would be insulted, but I am 100% sure that Harimoto did not want me to insult. Quite the opposite.

P.S. the video is unavailable...