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rainneverever
04-19-2017, 11:09 PM
Team China is currently going through it's intensive closed training before the 2017 World Championships next month!

The closed training session for World Championships 2017 is from the 3rd April to 14th June. Now the men's team is in Shenzhen and women's team in Huangshi.
As usual, the photo wall of major rivals can be seen in the training hall (photo by Coach Wu Jingping).

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ferq5e61d4j30rs0kun2g.jpg

The Rivals

The men's team of Ma Long, Fan Zhendong, xu Xin, Zhang Jike and Lin Gaoyuan are all focused on their rivals. They have a huge photo of their rivals on the wall in the training hall!

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/1closedtraining2017.jpg

Tiers listed below:

1st-tier rivals of men's team include: Jung Young Sik, Chuang Chih Yuan, Dimitrij Ovtcharov, Jun Mizutani, Timo Boll, Vladimir Samsonov and Marcos Freitas.

2nd-tier: Wong Chun Ting (HKG), Tang Peng (HKG), Chen Chien-An (TPE), Koki Niwa (JPN), Jeoung Young Sik (KOR), Lee Sang Su (KOR), Stefan Fegerl (AUT), Robert Gardos (AUT), Tiago Apolonia (POR), Simon Gauzy (FRA), Alexander Shibaev (RUS)

3rd-tier: Kristian Karlsson (SWE), Par Gerell (SWE), Emmanuel Lebesson (FRA), Gao Ning (SGP), Bojan Tokic (SLO), Andrej Gacina (CRO), Panagiotis Gionis (GRE), Paul Drinkhall (ENG), Liam Pitchford (ENG), Quadri Aruna(NGR)


Balls

Liu Guoliang left Shenzhen for Huangshi and the men's team had 1-day break.

Wu Jingping said only the players who will play in WTTC are practicing with Nittaku Premium balls and others use DHS 2-star because Nittaku Premium balls are too expensive....

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/2closedtraining2017.jpg

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/3closedtraining2017.jpg


Training Hall

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/4closedtraining2017.jpg

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/5closedtraining2017.jpg

rainneverever
04-19-2017, 11:16 PM
Here is the daily schedule of women's team:
3 training classes per day:
7:50 Breakfast
8:50-11:50 Training
11:50-13:00 Lunch
13:00-15:00 Break
15:15-16:45 Training
16:45-17:30 Afternoon meal
18:30-21:00 Training
21:10 Dinner
23:00 Lights-out


2 training classes per day:
7:30 Breakfast
8:30-12:00 Training
11:50-13:00 Lunch
15:15-18:20 Training
18:20-19:50 Dinner
20:00-21:00 Study
22:30 Lights-out
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F77e8b4c5ly1ferq0g5lhvj20j60y3tei.jpg

drunix80
04-20-2017, 01:29 AM
Any vids of training sessions woild be so amazing.

TTHopeful
04-20-2017, 06:50 AM
This is almost asking for an injury?

sanavasaraja
04-20-2017, 09:48 AM
This is almost asking for an injury?

That depends on your fitness and the type of excercises. They prob know what they're doing :p

TTFrenzy
04-20-2017, 11:41 AM
This is almost asking for an injury?

Not at all ! Their bodies are used to it and its not intensive preparation period and besides, the program is train eat sleep and again over and over so they have lots of time to rest also.

EmRatThich
04-20-2017, 11:48 AM
It's so intense, rainevernever. I can't support such a intense training :(

Baal
04-20-2017, 12:58 PM
The WTTC starts May 29. So they will have two weeks to recover from this intense training before the tournament. In sports physiology, the conventional wisdom includes that you only train super intensively for the events that are most important to you (like WTTC, Olympics). Also, a lot of sports scientists advocate that one should:



Start to adjust training four to six weeks out by decreasing volume and increasing intensity.
Two weeks before the tournament, further adjust intensity and volume.


The caveat is that a lot of this is based on research on athletes in more endurance based sports, and speed and power sports have people who advocate for different ideas where you train harder later (based on differences in the way fast twitch vs slow twitch fibers react to intense training).

The question I have is what is behind this? Are the players being "punished" for bad performances at ATTC as coaches try to cover their own asses (just in case)? Is this a response to media criticism in China? They are not used to losing. It is possible that this really intense training is starting too late for WTTC and therefore the taper down is too short. The real key is what are the players going to be required to do for the two weeks before the WTTC starts.

http://www1.udel.edu/ICECP/resources/periodization/Sceintific%20Bases%20for%20precompetition%20Tapering%20Strategies.pdf

Xanderngzien
04-20-2017, 02:01 PM
What exactly does closed training mean? Does it mean that it is not open to public?

ttmonster
04-20-2017, 02:16 PM
Isn't this normal for them , are you saying they are starting the closed training too late and too close to the WTTC ?

I thought that they are used to training 6-7 hours even during their regular training , and this would not something tough for them . Also , from what I remember reading else where that third training session is really optional and not for everybody ...


The WTTC starts May 29. So they will have two weeks to recover from this intense training before the tournament. In sports physiology, the conventional wisdom includes that you only train super intensively for the events that are most important to you (like WTTC, Olympics). Also, a lot of sports scientists advocate that one should:



Start to adjust training four to six weeks out by decreasing volume and increasing intensity.
Two weeks before the tournament, further adjust intensity and volume.


The caveat is that a lot of this is based on research on athletes in more endurance based sports, and speed and power sports have people who advocate for different ideas where you train harder later (based on differences in the way fast twitch vs slow twitch fibers react to intense training).

The question I have is what is behind this? Are the players being "punished" for bad performances at ATTC as coaches try to cover their own asses (just in case)? Is this a response to media criticism in China? They are not used to losing. It is possible that this really intense training is starting too late for WTTC and therefore the taper down is too short. The real key is what are the players going to be required to do for the two weeks before the WTTC starts.

http://www1.udel.edu/ICECP/resources/periodization/Sceintific%20Bases%20for%20precompetition%20Tapering%20Strategies.pdf

Baal
04-20-2017, 03:51 PM
Is it normal for them?

Claasiic
04-20-2017, 04:08 PM
Can anyone tell who the 7 players are on the top level of the rivals wall?

rainneverever
04-20-2017, 04:43 PM
Seven 1st-tier rivals of men's team include: Jung Young Sik, Chuang Chih Yuan, Dimitrij Ovtcharov, Jun Mizutani, Timo Boll, Vladimir Samsonov and Marcos Freitas.

The local news said that the video clip of women's team losing to Hirano is looping in the training hall in Huangshi.

This is pretty normal for closed training.

rainneverever
04-20-2017, 05:20 PM
Indeed it is more intense than the closed training for Rio Olympic Games last year, 1 more hour in the morning and 1 more hour in the afternoon.
Edit: According to Kong Linghui, the schedule is the same as before.

The schedule of men's team is also revealed.
3 classes per day:
8:00-8:30 Breakfast
9:15- Technical training
11:30-12:20 Physical training
12:20-13:00 Lunch
13:00-15:15 Break
15:30-17:20 Training
17:20-18:00 Snacks
19:00- Single/multi-ball training
21:20-22:00 Dinner
21:20-23:00 Therapy
23:00 Lights-out

2 classes per day:
8:00-8:30 Breakfast
9:15- Technical training
11:40-12:30 Physical training
12:30-13:00 Lunch
13:00-15:15 Break
15:30- Single/multi-ball training
18:20-19:00 Dinner
20:00-21:30 Study
21:30-23:00 Therapy
23:00 Lights-out


It's so intense, rainevernever. I can't support such a intense training :(

ajtatosmano2
04-20-2017, 06:50 PM
They don't know that sleeping before midnight is the most important? ;) Now I hear the kids' voice: 'But Mom, CNT is still awake!'

Seriously, it's better to go to bed at 23 and wake up at 8 than go to bed at 21 and wake up at 6?

rainneverever
04-20-2017, 07:03 PM
Sometimes there are 4 training classes per day and the players get up at 6...


They don't know that sleeping before midnight is the most important? ;) Now I hear the kids' voice: 'But Mom, CNT is still awake!'

Seriously, it's better to go to bed at 23 and wake up at 8 than go to bed at 21 and wake up at 6?

rainneverever
04-20-2017, 07:09 PM
BTW, the coach assignment of women's team is revealed:
Xiao Zhan: Liu Shiwen, Wang Manyu, Chen Ke
Huang Haicheng: Chen Meng
Zhang Qin: Wu Yang
Li Sun: Zhu Yuling
Chen Bin: Ding Ning

ttmonster
04-20-2017, 07:18 PM
Floating a conspiracy theory , Zhang Jike has done the ultimate sacrifice for his old flame :P so that she can become a grand slam champion like him

BTW, the coach assignment of women's team is revealed:
Xiao Zhan: Liu Shiwen, Wang Manyu, Chen Ke
Huang Haicheng: Chen Meng
Zhang Qin: Wu Yang
Li Sun: Zhu Yuling
Chen Bin: Ding Ning

ttmonster
04-20-2017, 07:19 PM
They are not normal :) , may be rainnevereve (https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/member.php?31802-rainneverever)r can say what their "regular" training schedule looks like or whether they do such closed training so close to major tournaments ...


Is it normal for them?

bricephan
04-20-2017, 08:28 PM
They don't know that sleeping before midnight is the most important? ;) Now I hear the kids' voice: 'But Mom, CNT is still awake!'

Seriously, it's better to go to bed at 23 and wake up at 8 than go to bed at 21 and wake up at 6?

In Asia, you dun call 23 midnight, and 21 is just the time when drinking gets started [emoji4] Most of TT clubs I have been in several countries in Asia, its very normal that ppl play till 22. Therefore, CNT training till 21 is very much appropriate for our life style [emoji4]


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ping fun
04-20-2017, 08:49 PM
Coach Wu Jingping post in his weibo account in 20 april .

Close training starts tonight .....
封閉訓練從今天晚上開始![加油] ​
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ajtatosmano2
04-20-2017, 08:54 PM
In Asia, you dun call 23 midnight, and 21 is just the time when drinking gets started [emoji4] Most of TT clubs I have been in several countries in Asia, its very normal that ppl play till 22. Therefore, CNT training till 21 is very much appropriate for our life style [emoji4]




I know that midnight is 24. What does mean 'drinking gets started'? Here we are drinking permanently ;)

I just thought that CNT schedule is based on the ideal sleeping needs of the body and mind.

bricephan
04-20-2017, 09:53 PM
I know that midnight is 24. What does mean 'drinking gets started'? Here we are drinking permanently ;)

I just thought that CNT schedule is based on the ideal sleeping needs of the body and mind.

Again, "ideal" in what standard? Chinese, Korean, Japanese standard may be called "suicide" in Western one.

Btw, drinking permanently (did u mean all day long?) is probably "suicide" for those above countries. But it is nice to hear that though, I am a drinking addict =))


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Der_Echte
04-20-2017, 10:42 PM
What you talking about Dr. Brice???

We drink water over there. Yeah, it is a considerable amount, but what the heck. Summer and long hours of TT get you thirsty.

Sometimes you gotta start the drinking a little early while still at the TT hall. :)

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Ma Long Superfan
04-20-2017, 10:48 PM
Not entirely sure when this video was but I think it's a recent video of the Women CNT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3oz_ySDetg

bricephan
04-20-2017, 10:56 PM
What you talking about Dr. Brice???

We drink water over there. Yeah, it is a considerable amount, but what the heck. Summer and long hours of TT get you thirsty.

Sometimes you gotta start the drinking a little early while still at the TT hall. :)

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haha William, you know what I was talking abt. Drinking means alcohol, not water.

Btw, you were the one teaching me having beer before and during training, remember?


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rainneverever
04-20-2017, 11:56 PM
Correct me if I am wrong. The video seems to be prior to 2016 because no one wears t-shirts with newer design for Rio and quite a few wears London jerseys.
CNT players pick up t-shirts/jerseys randomly although they do have some color preferences. If the video is this year, it is rare that no one picks up the tee/jersey of newer design. In the photo of post#21, Xu Xin and Zhang Jike's shirts are with Rio design. Below is a photo taken in early Jan this year. Funny that Yan An picks the same shirt again.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.gtimg.com%2Fsports%2Fpics%2Fhv1%2F219%2F193%2F2175%2F141478809.jpg



Not entirely sure when this video was but I think it's a recent video of the Women CNT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3oz_ySDetg

Der_Echte
04-21-2017, 12:52 AM
What training? We musta chugged down 3 cans each (if you didn't pour it on the ground when I was cans up) right before the start of some matches. You knocked down a few bottles yourself AFTER the TT, and yeah, those bottles were 2000cc, yeah, I helped you a little to finish 3 or so of those.

NextLevel
04-21-2017, 01:29 AM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQpwIEVt.jpg

Anyone want to guess who the main challengers of China are? This would be a good competition if some one had the answers - the top 7 are fairly easy. But it gets more difficult from then on. I think there are 34 players and I can guess with certainty about 29, maybe 30 - the last 4 or 5 are iffy.

NextLevel
04-21-2017, 01:32 AM
I will post my list early tomorrow.

rainneverever
04-21-2017, 01:37 AM
For the ones you are not sure about, can you guess from their natioanl flags?



https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQpwIEVt.jpg

Anyone want to guess who the main challengers of China are? This would be a good competition if some one had the answers - the top 7 are fairly easy. But it gets more difficult from then on. I think there are 34 players and I can guess with certainty about 29, maybe 30 - the last 4 or 5 are iffy.

NextLevel
04-21-2017, 01:43 AM
For the ones you are not sure about, can you guess from their natioanl flags?

Fine, I will post my list and let people criticize.

Since row 1 is easy (JYS, CCY, DO, JM, TB, VS, MF), LEt's look at 2 and 3.


1. WCT
2. KK
3. KN
4. SF
5. JSH (LSS)
6. CCA
7. LSS (JWJ/JSE)
8. SG
9. TP
10. RG ???
11. TA
12. AS
13. KM
14. EL




01. PD
02. LP
03. PG
04. TF
05. PF
06. MK (AK)
07. HC
08. GN
09. BT (CW)
10. GP
11. QA
12. AG
13. HT (MY)



My first stab. Corrections welcome.

rainneverever
04-21-2017, 02:33 AM
For Rio
2nd-tier: Wong Chun Ting (HKG), Tang Peng (HKG), Chen Chien-An (TPE), Koki Niwa (JPN), Jeoung Young Sik (KOR), Lee Sang Su (KOR), Stefan Fegerl (AUT), Robert Gardos (AUT), Tiago Apolonia (POR), Simon Gauzy (FRA), Alexander Shibaev (RUS)

3rd-tier: Kristian Karlsson (SWE), Par Gerell (SWE), Emmanuel Lebesson (FRA), Gao Ning (SGP), Bojan Tokic (SLO), Andrej Gacina (CRO), Panagiotis Gionis (GRE), Paul Drinkhall (ENG), Liam Pitchford (ENG), Quadri Aruna(NGR)

So 10 is Robert Gardos for sure.

rainneverever
04-21-2017, 03:00 AM
Today's training videos.

http://t.cn/RXoyK5Y

http://t.cn/RXowoAc

rainneverever
04-21-2017, 03:44 PM
Liu Guoliang posted a clear photo of the rivals' photo wall. The coach assignment of men's team is not revealed yet. Most likely Wang Hao coaches Fan Zhendong and Liu Guozheng coaches Zhang Jike, seen in photos of multi-ball training.


https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006zTnI5gy1feukmi3bbmj30zk0qodrc.jpg

NextLevel
04-21-2017, 04:35 PM
Good. I can see everyone now. 2.5 is LSS, 2.7 is JWJ, 3.1 and 3.2 should be flipped, and I am still amazed that Tristan Flore is on the board, though he did beat Boll and Freitas and challenged Ma Long in one tournament.

ping fun
04-21-2017, 05:22 PM
Other photos of Liu guoliang's post for today 21 april which u may like to have a look :

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ttmonster
04-21-2017, 05:45 PM
Are these available as "national version" dartboards for the players ? :P

rainneverever
04-21-2017, 08:01 PM
These are gifs but when I tried to upload, they turned into static images. Do they move at your end?

Other photos of Liu guoliang's post for today 21 april which u may like to have a look :

ttmonster
04-21-2017, 08:25 PM
They don't move ...

These are gifs but when I tried to upload, they turned into static images. Do they move at your end?

Tony's Table Tennis
04-21-2017, 08:33 PM
Close training and finish 2 to 4 weeks before major competition is normal.

The training normally (since 8 years old) is min 6 hours a day, and a good 35-40 hours a week
The different with close training is the strategy session, the planning of opponent as such.
And also there is a lot more new technique going on
The discipline level is also much higher - ie hand in cellphones, IC products

Overall, it is much more intense than regular training.

Also, there is a 3 hour lunch break, which players actually nap for a good 1 to 2 hours

ping fun
04-21-2017, 08:58 PM
These are gifs but when I tried to upload, they turned into static images. Do they move at your end?

no they are jpg

rainneverever
04-22-2017, 04:35 PM
Coaches are watching....
1 vs 2 or more except Xu Xin
Do they finally use the right balls for training? ;)

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1fevodjnevkj30zk0qo7db.jpg

Claasiic
04-22-2017, 09:42 PM
Isn't there a second guy just off the side of the picture against XX?

rainneverever
04-22-2017, 09:59 PM
Maybe. The owner of the blue towel.
I guess the top mission for Xu Xin now is to find a way to beat left-handed shakehands


Isn't there a second guy just off the side of the picture against XX?

rainneverever
04-23-2017, 01:58 AM
Heartbreaking moments on the wall...

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1fewcdvu62gj20zk0qoaik.jpg

tropical
04-23-2017, 03:33 AM
21:30-23:00 Therapy

I think they have whole body massage.:)

Tony's Table Tennis
04-23-2017, 08:33 AM
Coaches are watching....
1 vs 2 or more except Xu Xin
Do they finally use the right balls for training? ;)



1 vs 2 training has been going on as long as I recall. 10 years + maybe
Yes, this is WTTC close training, so everything will be based on WTTC, tables - DHS, balls Nittaku

ping fun
04-23-2017, 03:50 PM
New updates of Coach wu jingping
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ttmonster
04-23-2017, 06:01 PM
I guess they won't follow the doubles rules in this case , right ? It would be just 1 vs 2 and the guys on the other side will hit whenever the ball is within their reach ..

1 vs 2 training has been going on as long as I recall. 10 years + maybe
Yes, this is WTTC close training, so everything will be based on WTTC, tables - DHS, balls Nittaku

Tony's Table Tennis
04-23-2017, 06:48 PM
I guess they won't follow the doubles rules in this case , right ? It would be just 1 vs 2 and the guys on the other side will hit whenever the ball is within their reach ..

yes sir, they won't follow the doubles rules.
So its like, left side is mine, right side is yours

With this 2 player training drill, it is able to produce highly unlikely "high" quality balls coming back to you
For example, one player on backhand side will do a quick bh drive and return the ball back on the bounce.
On the FH side (standing a left hander) will top spin back.
As both players are in really good position, the placement would therefore be a lot more precise (compared to a single player that needs to move into position to provide a more precise placement)

Now you have a set drill and just imagine the quality of return with 2 players waiting for it, and you are the player that needs to get them back + footwork + quality

In fact10 year+ should be change to 20 years +/-, I recall seeing this when I was still a junior

NextLevel
04-24-2017, 01:40 AM
yes sir, they won't follow the doubles rules.
So its like, left side is mine, right side is yours

With this 2 player training drill, it is able to produce highly unlikely "high" quality balls coming back to you
For example, one player on backhand side will do a quick bh drive and return the ball back on the bounce.
On the FH side (standing a left hander) will top spin back.
As both players are in really good position, the placement would therefore be a lot more precise (compared to a single player that needs to move into position to provide a more precise placement)

Now you have a set drill and just imagine the quality of return with 2 players waiting for it, and you are the player that needs to get them back + footwork + quality

In fact10 year+ should be change to 20 years +/-, I recall seeing this when I was still a junior

Chen Yinghua, who left China a long time ago, spoke about thia form of training and he was the Waldner clone in the 80s.

EDIT: Added link to article.

http://lucioping.altervista.org/English/the_secrets_of_chinese_table_ten.htm

rainneverever
04-24-2017, 07:58 PM
Liu Guoliang left Shenzhen for Huangshi and the men's team had 1-day break.
Wu Jingping said only the players who will play in WTTC are practicing with NP balls and others use DHS 2-star because NP balls are too expensive....
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F77b87cf5gy1fey1rxkbp9j20qo0zkaec.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2Fac547f31gy1fey2vlcfy6j20zk0jzgof.jpg

Tony's Table Tennis
04-25-2017, 11:02 AM
Its a no brainer, as after WTTC they go back to DHS
so the non WTTC players continue to train with DHS for the world tours and other competitions

so lets see how the WTTC nittaku players perform now that they have trained with them

rainneverever
04-25-2017, 03:37 PM
Balls for women's team
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2Fa2e4a02dgy1few2hqdd1cj20zk0qowia.jpg

Dan
04-25-2017, 03:50 PM
Balls for women's team
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2Fa2e4a02dgy1few2hqdd1cj20zk0qowia.jpg

Cool pic, no 3 star? The balls don't have brand marketing.. or this a joke :D

rainneverever
04-25-2017, 04:03 PM
This photo is posted by a CNT research staff taken in Huangshi.
I heard that there are at least 2 manufacturers of Nittaku balls and the Nittaku balls used in CNT Marvellous 12 Trials are not from the same manufacturer of those used in Asian Champs.
Is there any news about what the WTTC Nittaku balls look like?


Cool pic, no 3 star? The balls don't have brand marketing.. or this a joke :D

rainneverever
04-25-2017, 04:05 PM
Although Coach Wu Jingping is retired, he is still coaching Xu Xin and practicing multi-balls with Xu Xin!
http://weibo.com/tv/v/F0eqcgEWM?fid=1034:4064e87599d37902715a2c190fc68796

rainneverever
04-25-2017, 04:23 PM
Therapy after training

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F7266d701gy1fezc2z2csnj23402c0hdt.jpg

TTHopeful
04-25-2017, 04:51 PM
Any news on Zhang Jikes injury rain?

rainneverever
04-25-2017, 05:04 PM
There is no recent report yet. Coach Wu Jingping posted photos of Zhang Jike training. He has some muscle bandages on the left knee.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1fez5jx3znmj30rs0kun1m.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1fez5jxq7loj30rs0kujwn.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1fez5jvk63gj30rs0kuaeu.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1fez5jwkr7ij30rs0kudkh.jpg

Any news on Zhang Jikes injury rain?

Michal_Z
04-26-2017, 04:21 PM
They don't know that sleeping before midnight is the most important? Now I hear the kids' voice: 'But Mom, CNT is still awake!'


Seriously, it's better to go to bed at 23 and wake up at 8 than go to bed at 21 and wake up at 6?


Seriously, best is to go to bed at 10PM (22:00) and wake up around 5AM.
They should know this, but obviously they dont.
Phases of kidneys and liver at 22:00 - 0:00 and 1:00-3:00 are very important, and they are missing phase from 22:00, because they are not in bed. As this comes from chinese studies, I would expect they would know and abide this.
Well, probably they watch too many US movies, lol :)

rainneverever
04-26-2017, 06:00 PM
On May 1 (International Labor Day holiday), women's team will have 8 singles and 2 doubles matches, free to public. On May 13 and 14, they will have warm-up matches with live broadcasting.
Liu Guoliang spent several days with women's team in Huangshi and now went back to Shenzhen. He posted a late dinner with coaches. They eat really heavy at night!
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006zTnI5gy1ff0iah13ckj30zk0qoajh.jpg

rainneverever
04-26-2017, 06:05 PM
Men's team started doubles training
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff0eqvfptaj33402c0x6p.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff0eqys0isj33402c07wi.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff0er2k47fj33402c07wi.jpg

Zaid323918
04-26-2017, 07:43 PM
Liu Guoliang left Shenzhen for Huangshi and the men's team had 1-day break.
Wu Jingping said only the players who will play in WTTC are practicing with NP balls and others use DHS 2-star because NP balls are too expensive....
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F77b87cf5gy1fey1rxkbp9j20qo0zkaec.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2Fac547f31gy1fey2vlcfy6j20zk0jzgof.jpg

That's a lotta balls!

TTFrenzy
04-26-2017, 08:36 PM
damn all of these balls seem like paradise. thanks for the photos rainneverever. on the other hand we should be careful of what we wish for, strenuous training can be a total pain in the ass

Michal_Z
04-27-2017, 07:46 AM
On May 1 (International Labor Day holiday), women's team will have 8 singles and 2 doubles matches, free to public. On May 13 and 14, they will have warm-up matches with live broadcasting.
Liu Guoliang spent several days with women's team in Huangshi and now went back to Shenzhen. He posted a late dinner with coaches. They eat really heavy at night!
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006zTnI5gy1ff0iah13ckj30zk0qoajh.jpg
And that only supports what I think.
They have no idea how healthy eating looks like.
And who knows oriental diagnosis, you can see clearly how weak LGL´s and WH´s kidneys are, how weak Ma Lin´s and LGL´s liver is.
I could teach them how to eat healthy.
I could also teach almost every national player.
I would love to explain Timo Boll what he is doing wrong, then he would be able to compete another 10-20 years.
Same for Vladi.
They just dont know what is possible with the correct food and eating.

ajtatosmano2
04-27-2017, 08:51 AM
And that only supports what I think.
They have no idea how healthy eating looks like.
And who knows oriental diagnosis, you can see clearly how weak LGL´s and WH´s kidneys are, how weak Ma Lin´s and LGL´s liver is.
I could teach them how to eat healthy.
I could also teach almost every national player.
I would love to explain Timo Boll what he is doing wrong, then he would be able to compete another 10-20 years.
Same for Vladi.
They just dont know what is possible with the correct food and eating.

I am sure that active players doesn't eat like that, only after big wins.

Baal
04-27-2017, 12:06 PM
you can see clearly how weak LGL´s and WH´s kidneys are.

Really? And just how do you see that?

MasterMyself
04-27-2017, 01:16 PM
Really? And just how do you see that? He may be referring to the empty wine glasses! :-P

AndySmith
04-27-2017, 01:49 PM
Remote medical diagnosis has come on a lot in recent years.

rainneverever
04-27-2017, 04:12 PM
CNT seems not to be strict on what the players eat as the players are often seen in hot-pot or BBQ restaurants. There is a hot-pot place in Doha and CNT players go there every time when they play Qatar Open or Grand Finals (sometimes even Team Hong Kong and Team Japan players go there).

Take a look at what they eat during afternoon snack time (Cantonese Dim Sum) now posted by Coach Wu Jingping. Buns, eggs, Shu Mai, chicken, beef, veggie, noodles, congee, etc

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1dx7ws00j30qo0zkai5.jpg

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1dx8yfi9j30zk0qoahx.jpg


https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1dx673unj30zk0qo128.jpg

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1dxb2e6dj30zk0qogth.jpg

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1dxbnv2xj30zk0qo7a2.jpg

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1dxcs5c1j30zk0qodnf.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1dxe9diej30zk0qo13l.jpg

rainneverever
04-27-2017, 04:22 PM
Games are on. Wang Liqin is also in Shenzhen (he is not a CNT coach), most likely for Xu Xin.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1jcm36cfj33402c0npe.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1jcd4evhj33402c0hdu.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1jci7hknj33402c0kjm.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1jc8zzcpj33402c07wi.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F006Aondkgy1ff1jcos2xzj33402c0x6p.jpg

rainneverever
04-27-2017, 06:27 PM
http://2012.sina.com.cn/hx/tt/2012-07-20/101514907.shtml
This is an interesting article about the food in CNT closed training session before London Olympic Games.
The chef of men's team said the players consumed 75kg meat/poultry, 20kg vegetables and 10kg fruits each day. Wang Hao and Zhang Jike like spicy and Ma Long likes mild. They all like steak, egg pancakes and bone soup.
The chef of women's team said Guo Yue likes eggplants, Li Xiaoxia likes all kinds of meat, Ding Ning likes veggies and sweets and Liu Shiwen meat and seafood.

Tinykin
04-27-2017, 06:41 PM
Good to see that WLQ has not let his physique slip.

rainneverever
04-27-2017, 07:50 PM
7 trophies in Huangshi training center

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff1jsb78yqj23402c01ky.jpg

ping fun
04-27-2017, 08:22 PM
Therapy Time

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rainneverever
04-28-2017, 04:09 AM
Can you tell the difference?

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff28wyq360j23402c01ky.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff28xap5e5j23402c04qq.jpg

MasterMyself
04-28-2017, 09:32 AM
Can you tell the difference?

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff28wyq360j23402c01ky.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff28xap5e5j23402c04qq.jpg Thanks for all the pictures firstly. Are the balls on the right on both pics a bit bigger?

ajtatosmano2
04-28-2017, 10:46 AM
Thanks for all the pictures firstly. Are the balls on the right on both pics a bit bigger?

Woddy Allen's Small time crooks, museum scene (I translated this from memory, not accurate):
'Can you tell me the difference between these two paintings?'
'I think...I think this has a bigger frame!'

rainneverever
04-28-2017, 02:15 PM
That's my expression, too lol
The left ball is designated for WTTC and the right one is for Asian Champs.


Thanks for all the pictures firstly. Are the balls on the right on both pics a bit bigger?

rainneverever
04-28-2017, 02:16 PM
CNT players are making fun of DHS balls

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2Fac547f31gy1ff2i8sbpynj20rs0kuwiu.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F716b976fgy1ff2kda55gwj20zk0qoq8v.jpg

ttmonster
04-28-2017, 02:19 PM
This is super funny ... and till now I always had wondered how come the CNT players play table tennis and are still not nerds . But will the player in the picture lose his DHS sponsorship , looks like Xu Xin to me btw ..

rainneverever
04-28-2017, 02:31 PM
It is Ren Hao who took the picture of the balls and Kong Lingxuan took the picture of Ren Hao.
Yes, CNT players are pretty funny. Some of them like to make fun of each other on their social media accounts. That's one of the reasons of their popularity since last year.

I heard that DHS balls will be used in 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games. Don't give up DHS lol


This is super funny ... and till now I always had wondered how come the CNT players play table tennis and are still not nerds . But will the player in the picture lose his DHS sponsorship , looks like Xu Xin to me btw ..

rainneverever
04-28-2017, 02:33 PM
Major rivals of women's team
18 singles
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff2jby6rgqj23402c0kjm.jpg
11 doubles
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff2jbmqqj8j23402c0u0y.jpg

rainneverever
04-28-2017, 02:38 PM
Reviews/analyses/self reflections of Asian Champs from women's team (most written by hand)
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff2es8akcfj23402c01ky.jpg

fais
04-28-2017, 04:28 PM
And that only supports what I think.
They have no idea how healthy eating looks like.
And who knows oriental diagnosis, you can see clearly how weak LGL´s and WH´s kidneys are, how weak Ma Lin´s and LGL´s liver is.
I could teach them how to eat healthy.
I could also teach almost every national player.
I would love to explain Timo Boll what he is doing wrong, then he would be able to compete another 10-20 years.
Same for Vladi.
They just dont know what is possible with the correct food and eating.

For me, everyday is "cheat day"

fais
04-28-2017, 04:30 PM
Really? And just how do you see that?

I can't even see WH's kidneys! Besides X-ray vision, dude also had uncrop vision!

Baal
04-28-2017, 06:49 PM
Ten million thumbs up to rainneverever (https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/member.php?31802-rainneverever) https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/Styles/Blackend/statusicon/user-online.pngfor the awesome pictures!

rainneverever
04-29-2017, 02:28 AM
Busy morning of Liu Guoliang

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw7d0mxj20ku0rstdm.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw80d5xj20ku0rs43a.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw8lw0aj20ku0rsgp0.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw95orhj20ku0rsn1h.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw6rgm4j20ku0rswit.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bwshdv6j20ku0rstd1.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3crn4gt9j20ku0rs0wa.jpg

rainneverever
04-29-2017, 03:57 AM
Liu Guoliang played shakehand against Wang Liqin!

https://youtu.be/HUVZTSvE3C8

ping fun
04-29-2017, 06:19 AM
Busy morning of Liu Guoliang

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw7d0mxj20ku0rstdm.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw80d5xj20ku0rs43a.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw8lw0aj20ku0rsgp0.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw95orhj20ku0rsn1h.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bw6rgm4j20ku0rswit.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3bwshdv6j20ku0rstd1.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F74313659gy1ff3crn4gt9j20ku0rs0wa.jpg

Guoliang seems more relax and happy after giving responsibilities to qin zhijian :p

woodblade
04-29-2017, 12:04 PM
Fantastic Pictures!

drunix80
04-29-2017, 12:24 PM
Rainneverever is God !!!

rainneverever
04-29-2017, 03:26 PM
Women's team starts doubles training.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge% 2F3bc674a4ly1ff3mduqfixj22c03404qq.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge% 2F3bc674a4gy1ff3mhff6hjj22c03404qq.jpg
Xiao Zhan is training Wang Manyu.

https://youtu.be/_a42jQBZM1g

John18
04-29-2017, 03:50 PM
Xiao Zhan has LSW, WMY and CK under his guidance but on almost all the pics ans vids on weibo,
he is training WMY...
Favoritism..?? :rolleyes: :p hahaha

rainneverever
04-29-2017, 04:12 PM
The major goal of women's team is to adapt to the new balls. They start a day from physical training to build up more muscles.
Ding Ning said the new balls are quite different and they need time to understand the way the new balls work.
Liu Shiwen said the new balls are thicker, faster, more bouncy and less spiny. She has to hit harder.

https://youtu.be/aLn_Q2iQqGA

rainneverever
04-29-2017, 04:24 PM
Coach Wu Jingping is too busy to write Sina Weibo posts but luckily we can get some new pictures from Wang Liqin.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F72ef1e6bgy1ff3y0b4d6bj213r0qon7s.jpg https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F72ef1e6bgy1ff3y0afz9lj211m0qownu.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F72ef1e6bgy1ff3y0bxbktj20yx0qo7cv.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F72ef1e6bgy1ff3y0cnkj0j21010qo7da.jpg

ping fun
04-30-2017, 04:05 AM
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rainneverever
04-30-2017, 04:46 AM
Probably
Xiaozhan playing badminton with Wan Manyu and Chen Ke after the training session to strengthen their wrists.https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Fmw690%2F3bc674a4gy1ff4le66w1ij23402c01ky.jpg


Xiao Zhan has LSW, WMY and CK under his guidance but on almost all the pics ans vids on weibo,
he is training WMY...
Favoritism..?? :rolleyes: :p hahaha

rainneverever
04-30-2017, 04:54 AM
Chen Meng is teaching Li Wujun (李武军, CCTV journalist, most pictures of women's team in this thread is from his Sina Weibo) how to take a good picture lol
Lesson #1: knee down
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4ly1ff4linbm1wj22ao328e83.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Fmw690%2F3bc674a4ly1ff4liq088aj22ao328e83.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4ly1ff4lirvgayj22c03404qq.jpg

TTHopeful
04-30-2017, 09:50 AM
Reviews/analyses/self reflections of Asian Champs from women's team (most written by hand)
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff2es8akcfj23402c01ky.jpg

I have got these translations from another site. Chen Meng's analyses is really good:

Ding Ning - I attribute the loss to the ball, and my ailing mind and body.

Liu Shiwen - My shoulder injury flared up again during the team's event, and thanks to the ball and getting grounded by KLH, my form was less than perfect.

Chen Meng - "My heart hurt so bad upon the defeat. Words can't describe my feeling when the Japanese flag was raised...I knew before the final that this match was going to be hard-fought, but never had I thought I would lose." Basically, Hirano played differently from what she expected. Before this final, she never found Hirano's game to be particularly difficult to handle. She was confident in her own backhand to be superior to Hirano's. Given Hirano's shorter height, she believed her shot quality could open up the angle. Her only worry was Hirano's serve, which didn't pose much threat at the CTTSL. Those points ultimately led to her less-than-comprehensive preparation. Reviewing Hirano's match recordings against LSW and ZYL, Hirano showed the tendency to loop to the backhand side on shots to her forehand crossover. But in the final, Hirano looped twice to her wide forehand instead, before looping to her backhand.

Michal_Z
04-30-2017, 09:59 AM
Really? And just how do you see that?

Its easy. When you know where to look, there are so many options.
From hands, face, hair, ears, eyes, even clothes colors.
Everything can tell you a lot about the health of the person.
Just study, google, you will find out.


http://2012.sina.com.cn/hx/tt/2012-07-20/101514907.shtml
This is an interesting article about the food in CNT closed training session before London Olympic Games.
The chef of men's team said the players consumed 75kg meat/poultry, 20kg vegetables and 10kg fruits each day. Wang Hao and Zhang Jike like spicy and Ma Long likes mild. They all like steak, egg pancakes and bone soup.
The chef of women's team said Guo Yue likes eggplants, Li Xiaoxia likes all kinds of meat, Ding Ning likes veggies and sweets and Liu Shiwen meat and seafood.

Thank you for this information :)
That tells a lot!
So they really focus just on the excercises, but they forget to build the strenght from the inside.
That explains why chinese players quit with profi table tennis so early.
They train a lot more than european players, so they destroy their bodies a lot faster than euro players.
And without correct food, the body just cannot overcome it all..

Takkyu_wa_inochi
04-30-2017, 01:07 PM
I have got these translations from another site. Chen Meng's analyses is really good:

Ding Ning - I attribute the loss to the ball, and my ailing mind and body.

Liu Shiwen - My shoulder injury flared up again during the team's event, and thanks to the ball and getting grounded by KLH, my form was less than perfect.

Chen Meng - "My heart hurt so bad upon the defeat. Words can't describe my feeling when the Japanese flag was raised...I knew before the final that this match was going to be hard-fought, but never had I thought I would lose." Basically, Hirano played differently from what she expected. Before this final, she never found Hirano's game to be particularly difficult to handle. She was confident in her own backhand to be superior to Hirano's. Given Hirano's shorter height, she believed her shot quality could open up the angle. Her only worry was Hirano's serve, which didn't pose much threat at the CTTSL. Those points ultimately led to her less-than-comprehensive preparation. Reviewing Hirano's match recordings against LSW and ZYL, Hirano showed the tendency to loop to the backhand side on shots to her forehand crossover. But in the final, Hirano looped twice to her wide forehand instead, before looping to her backhand.

so LIU Shiwen is complaining about KLH's harsh coaching ???

The question is : why HIRANO changed her tactics against CHEN Meng ? that's an interesting question !!

NextLevel
04-30-2017, 01:09 PM
so LIU Shiwen is complaining about KLH's harsh coaching ???

The question is : why HIRANO changed her tactics against CHEN Meng ? that's an interesting question !!

Because JNT in their video could see that the CNT were sitting on it?

ping fun
04-30-2017, 03:47 PM
Today's photos

Basketball time :):rolleyes:

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rainneverever
04-30-2017, 03:48 PM
I don't think Chinese food is unhealthy. There are multiple reasons for CNT players' early retirement compared to non-CNT players.
Food for women's team, wonton soup, seafood, pork, etc. Looks good.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff4zzhd0sqj22c03404qq.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff50001dj8j23402c0npe.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff500ectm3j23402c07wj.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff500vwgx2j23402c0x6q.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff4zyvfe43j23402c01kz.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff501car19j23402c01kz.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff501ohdwnj23402c01kz.jpg

rainneverever
04-30-2017, 04:19 PM
Women's team will have matches tomorrow, open to public.
On May 13 and 14, both men's and women's team will have warm-up matches.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2Fa2e4a02dgy1ff53hcllg9j23402c01ky.jpg

Baal
04-30-2017, 04:32 PM
Its easy. When you know where to look, there are so many options.
From hands, face, hair, ears, eyes, even clothes colors.
Everything can tell you a lot about the health of the person.
Just study, google, you will find out.

I will have to tell that to my close colleagues at the medical school where I teach who diagnose and treat kidney diseases. Look at the clothes colors!

Michal_Z
04-30-2017, 04:32 PM
I don't think Chinese food is unhealthy.

Well, and what do you do for living?
Are you food and health lifestyle expert?
Because if not, what you think about chinese food is not relevant ;)

Now - I do not want to be aggressive against you.
I am only talking facts.
I am an expert.
That is why I am saying what I am saying.
I know how human body works. I know what food does to our bodies.
And from what I see - they are killing themselves from the inside.

Its ok, 99% of people in the whole world do this, only because they serve to a little lord called tongue.

I dont ;)

And I also know few people that are perfectly healthy, strong and fresh everyday, that dont serve to tongue too ;)

Baal
04-30-2017, 04:34 PM
I don't think Chinese food is unhealthy. There are multiple reasons for CNT players' early retirement compared to non-CNT players.

Every time I travel to China, especially to Sichuan province, I feel like I am eating too much all the time and I always come back lighter than when I left.

Michal_Z
04-30-2017, 04:34 PM
I will have to tell that to my close colleagues at the medical school where I teach who diagnose and treat kidney diseases. Look at the clothes colors!


The problem is, that people at medical schools dont think this is any good for diagnosis.
But I dont really expect any understanding from western people.
What is really shocking for me, is that they are actually CHINESE and they do not do it.
The western influence is obviously bigger than one would think..

Baal
04-30-2017, 04:36 PM
The thing about those of us who work and teach at medical schools is that we actually know something about what the kidney ACTUALLY does and HOW IT DOES IT, so we actually know what to look for to see when it isn't doing it adequately. (Actually one thing you can sometimes see is swelling around the eyes and ankles, but by the time that happens there is some pretty significant loss of function). Anyway, I don't want to argue more about it (although you might be interested to know that I spend about 85% of my working hours thinking about how kidneys work, and what happens to cause them not to work, and have done so for many years). I am just amazed by people who claim to have super powers.

Loopadoop
04-30-2017, 04:55 PM
I have got these translations from another site. Chen Meng's analyses is really good:

Ding Ning - I attribute the loss to the ball, and my ailing mind and body.

Liu Shiwen - My shoulder injury flared up again during the team's event, and thanks to the ball and getting grounded by KLH, my form was less than perfect.

Chen Meng - "My heart hurt so bad upon the defeat. Words can't describe my feeling when the Japanese flag was raised...I knew before the final that this match was going to be hard-fought, but never had I thought I would lose." Basically, Hirano played differently from what she expected. Before this final, she never found Hirano's game to be particularly difficult to handle. She was confident in her own backhand to be superior to Hirano's. Given Hirano's shorter height, she believed her shot quality could open up the angle. Her only worry was Hirano's serve, which didn't pose much threat at the CTTSL. Those points ultimately led to her less-than-comprehensive preparation. Reviewing Hirano's match recordings against LSW and ZYL, Hirano showed the tendency to loop to the backhand side on shots to her forehand crossover. But in the final, Hirano looped twice to her wide forehand instead, before looping to her backhand.

vs Ding Ning - Hirano was fortunate to win, save all those match points, in that one game. CNT strategy used was from Hirano play in the China Super League. Hirano had cleaned up her service return. Ning should have changed from Tomahawk serve late in match since it was not being effective. Hirano has her toughest match up against Ning style. Ning needs to clean up her serve return vs Hirano.

vs other CNT - Serve gave enough advantage to win. Most games were close. CNT need to clean up their serve return.

rainneverever
04-30-2017, 05:27 PM
I am not a food expert but Chinese food is relevant to me because my family and I eat Chinese food for so many years...

I am doing scientific research and I don't like to draw hasty conclusions. Shenzhen is one block away from Hong Kong and Hong Kong has the world’s longest life expectancy . I posted what CNT men's team eat in Shenzhen and most food in the pictures is local food in Shenzhen and Hong Kong (life expectancy data for Shenzhen are shorter than Hong Kong but you have to consider the fact that Shenzhen is a city established some 40 years ago and have millions of immigrants).
Food is important for health of course but environments, genetics, exercises, health cares, food safety, lifestyle (like smoking), you name it, are also important.

I agree one has to be careful to what one eats. But that is nothing to do with Chinese food.


Well, and what do you do for living?
Are you food and health lifestyle expert?
Because if not, what you think about chinese food is not relevant ;)

Michal_Z
04-30-2017, 05:43 PM
I am not a food expert but Chinese food is relevant to me because my family and I eat Chinese food for so many years...

I am doing scientific research and I don't like to draw hasty conclusions. Shenzhen is one block away from Hong Kong and Hong Kong has the world’s longest life expectancy . I posted what CNT men's team eat in Shenzhen and most food in the pictures is local food in Shen Zhen and Hong Kong; life expectancy data for Shenzhen are shorter than Hong Kong but you have to consider the fact that Shenzhen is a city established some 40 years ago and have millions of immigrants.
Food is important for health of course but environments, genetics, exercises, health cares, food safety, lifestyle (like smoking), you name it, are also important.

I agree one has to be careful to what one eats. But that is nothing to do with Chinese food.

I thought by chinese food you mean food that CNT is eating ;)
Not chinese food in general.
Actually, chinese food is much healthier than european food, but that is other thing ;)

Michal_Z
04-30-2017, 05:55 PM
Baal, I wanted to send you private message, so we wouldnt be off topic here, but your inbox is full, so maybe next time..

Zaid323918
04-30-2017, 06:08 PM
Well, and what do you do for living?
Are you food and health lifestyle expert?
Because if not, what you think about chinese food is not relevant ;)

Now - I do not want to be aggressive against you.
I am only talking facts.
I am an expert.
That is why I am saying what I am saying.
I know how human body works. I know what food does to our bodies.
And from what I see - they are killing themselves from the inside.

Its ok, 99% of people in the whole world do this, only because they serve to a little lord called tongue.

I dont ;)

And I also know few people that are perfectly healthy, strong and fresh everyday, that dont serve to tongue too ;)

I don't serve my tongue but I eat whatever I like or tastes good. Watching what we eat is important but the problem is people usually get carried away with it and then we end up with eating disorders. (You don't see many of those in China or the East) The point is to draw a line between eating what you like and eating healthy.

TTFrenzy
04-30-2017, 08:06 PM
Ding ning seems really humble and down to earth, I never thought she would be such a sore loser. The reflections from other players seem more honest to oneself. The ball plays definitely a role yes but both players are playing with it . And trully great players always adapted instead of complaining, maybe she hasnt accepted her defeat yet

ttmonster
04-30-2017, 08:46 PM
IDK , I never liked Ding ning to be honest , Li Xiaoxia was my favorite , I loved it when she played with those totally uncool pants on when they forced her to wear skirt , even LSW seems more straightforward to me than Ding Ning ... that whole episode of her crying after being called on her serve was the last straw for me, it was just a ridiculous attempt to draw sympathy , like a lot of other players she does throw the ball back and being a lefty it adds an unfair advantage in service , so as long as the umpire was being uniform on both players about the interpretation of the rule I did not see an issue and she always had her tomahawk serve to fall back on , she went on cribbing she just has two serves ... and then there was that whole injury drama when she played LSW in the finals which LSW was winning till she threw that fit ... all in all she is a drama queen and just happens to have a lot of supporters

Ding ning seems really humble and down to earth, I never thought she would be such a sore loser. The reflections from other players seem more honest to oneself. The ball plays definitely a role yes but both players are playing with it . And trully great players always adapted instead of complaining, maybe she hasnt accepted her defeat yet

laistrogian
04-30-2017, 08:53 PM
CNT plays with properly good ball, forgot how to play :p

TTFrenzy
04-30-2017, 09:07 PM
CNT plays with properly good ball, forgot how to play :p


ehmm nittaku balls are if not the best, then definitely one of the best

TTFrenzy
04-30-2017, 09:17 PM
IDK , I never liked Ding ning to be honest , Li Xiaoxia was my favorite , I loved it when she played with those totally uncool pants on when they forced her to wear skirt , even LSW seems more straightforward to me than Ding Ning ... that whole episode of her crying after being called on her serve was the last straw for me, it was just a ridiculous attempt to draw sympathy , like a lot of other players she does throw the ball back and being a lefty it adds an unfair advantage in service , so as long as the umpire was being uniform on both players about the interpretation of the rule I did not see an issue and she always had her tomahawk serve to fall back on , she went on cribbing she just has two serves ... and then there was that whole injury drama when she played LSW in the finals which LSW was winning till she threw that fit ... all in all she is a drama queen and just happens to have a lot of supporters


On london final LXX would have won anyway, that match was total domination. The serve of ding ning is illegal but LXX is used to it (no unfair advantage there) so the umpire should not interfere.

What annoys me is her playstyle, she just puts the ball back no creativity no fantasy nothing unique to admire but lets face it, putting the ball back and wait for opponent to make a mistake is also a way to win and it got her 2 world champs and 1 olympic title.

Especially the last world champ and olympic final was on the hands of LSW and LXX and they basically threw the match on their own errors and after the rio final I almost never bother to watch a DN match because she is so boring. LSW CM ZY and MuZi are always fun to watch and feng yalan was a huge surprise for me in 2016 super league. Also that tall girl wang manyu is a total beast but needs to be polished since she is so young

rainneverever
04-30-2017, 10:08 PM
Ding Ning admitted that she was not fully prepared for the challenges from Miu Hirano. She said she lost the focus and played very conservatively. She mentioned she was not used to the ball, even in the team events. And she was sick and uncomfortable those days although she tried to cheer herself up but failed.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fn.sinaimg.cn%2Fsinacn%2F20170429%2F125f-fyeuirf9870502.jpg

And of course Liu Shiwen did not complain about Kong Linghui directly.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fn.sinaimg.cn%2Fsinacn%2F20170429%2F301c-fyeuirf9870510.jpg


I have got these translations from another site. Chen Meng's analyses is really good:
Ding Ning - I attribute the loss to the ball, and my ailing mind and body.
Liu Shiwen - My shoulder injury flared up again during the team's event, and thanks to the ball and getting grounded by KLH, my form was less than perfect.

Chen Meng - "My heart hurt so bad upon the defeat. Words can't describe my feeling when the Japanese flag was raised...I knew before the final that this match was going to be hard-fought, but never had I thought I would lose." Basically, Hirano played differently from what she expected. Before this final, she never found Hirano's game to be particularly difficult to handle. She was confident in her own backhand to be superior to Hirano's. Given Hirano's shorter height, she believed her shot quality could open up the angle. Her only worry was Hirano's serve, which didn't pose much threat at the CTTSL. Those points ultimately led to her less-than-comprehensive preparation. Reviewing Hirano's match recordings against LSW and ZYL, Hirano showed the tendency to loop to the backhand side on shots to her forehand crossover. But in the final, Hirano looped twice to her wide forehand instead, before looping to her backhand.

Baal
05-01-2017, 03:56 AM
Baal, I wanted to send you private message, so we wouldnt be off topic here, but your inbox is full, so maybe next time..

Thx for letting me know. I will delete some.

drunix80
05-01-2017, 04:09 AM
On london final LXX would have won anyway, that match was total domination. The serve of ding ning is illegal but LXX is used to it (no unfair advantage there) so the umpire should not interfere.

What annoys me is her playstyle, she just puts the ball back no creativity no fantasy nothing unique to admire but lets face it, putting the ball back and wait for opponent to make a mistake is also a way to win and it got her 2 world champs and 1 olympic title.

Especially the last world champ and olympic final was on the hands of LSW and LXX and they basically threw the match on their own errors and after the rio final I almost never bother to watch a DN match because she is so boring. LSW CM ZY and MuZi are always fun to watch and feng yalan was a huge surprise for me in 2016 super league. Also that tall girl wang manyu is a total beast but needs to be polished since she is so young

I followed Wang Manyu since the CSL. i like her style. I don't remember her results against Hirano but I am sure she is going to be a handful for her competitors in the future. I don't read much into Hirano's win in Asia Champs. She had a lucky win against DN. ZYL was not in her elements and CM is not one of the top CNT players anyway. Lets wait for the WTTC and see where she actually stands.

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 05:36 AM
Results of the matches this morning:
Ding Ning vs Zhang Rui 4:0
Chen Meng vs Wang Manyu 4:2
Liu Shiwen vs Chen Xingtong 4:1
Zhu Yuling vs Che Xiaoxi 3:4

Men's team training video posted by Liu Guoliang

https://youtu.be/eCD2Gy-uzGo

ping fun
05-01-2017, 05:50 AM
I followed Wang Manyu since the CSL. i like her style. I don't remember her results against Hirano but I am sure she is going to be a handful for her competitors in the future. I don't read much into Hirano's win in Asia Champs. She had a lucky win against DN. ZYL was not in her elements and CM is not one of the top CNT players anyway. Lets wait for the WTTC and she where she actually stands.
Well his friend ishikawa kazumi proved every one that his championship in asia could have been luck probably

ping fun
05-01-2017, 05:52 AM
Results of the matches this morning:
Ding Ning vs Zhang Rui 4:0
Chen Meng vs Wang Manyu 4:2
Liu Shiwen vs Chen Xingtong 4:1
Zhu Yuling vs Che Xiaoxi 3:4

Men's team training video posted by Liu Guoliang

https://youtu.be/eCD2Gy-uzGo

zhu yulling hasnt found her form yet . what about men's team rain ??? when will they play ??

Michal_Z
05-01-2017, 07:52 AM
IDK , I never liked Ding ning to be honest , Li Xiaoxia was my favorite , I loved it when she played with those totally uncool pants on when they forced her to wear skirt , even LSW seems more straightforward to me than Ding Ning ... that whole episode of her crying after being called on her serve was the last straw for me, it was just a ridiculous attempt to draw sympathy , like a lot of other players she does throw the ball back and being a lefty it adds an unfair advantage in service , so as long as the umpire was being uniform on both players about the interpretation of the rule I did not see an issue and she always had her tomahawk serve to fall back on , she went on cribbing she just has two serves ... and then there was that whole injury drama when she played LSW in the finals which LSW was winning till she threw that fit ... all in all she is a drama queen and just happens to have a lot of supporters

I totally agree!!!!!!
Not being all the drama around, she would never beat LSW in that final..

ping fun
05-01-2017, 07:59 AM
I totally agree!!!!!!
Not being all the drama around, she would never beat LSW in that final..

No surprise reply by Michal ;) you are deeply in love with jika's ex :cool:

Michal_Z
05-01-2017, 08:01 AM
I don't serve my tongue but I eat whatever I like or tastes good. Watching what we eat is important but the problem is people usually get carried away with it and then we end up with eating disorders. (You don't see many of those in China or the East) The point is to draw a line between eating what you like and eating healthy.
I personally found a way how to eat healthy and eat what I really like.
Me and my family, we eat delicious stuff and also a healthy stuff.
But no sugar in it. No milk, no white flour..

ping fun
05-01-2017, 08:13 AM
I personally found a way how to eat healthy and eat what I really like.
Me and my family, we eat delicious stuff and also a healthy stuff.
But no sugar in it. No milk, no white flour..

what's wrong with milk or white flour???

ping fun
05-01-2017, 09:40 AM
what's wrong with milk or white flour???
Thanx for your message michael . it was useful

TTFrenzy
05-01-2017, 11:08 AM
I followed Wang Manyu since the CSL. i like her style. I don't remember her results against Hirano but I am sure she is going to be a handful for her competitors in the future. I don't read much into Hirano's win in Asia Champs. She had a lucky win against DN. ZYL was not in her elements and CM is not one of the top CNT players anyway. Lets wait for the WTTC and see where she actually stands.


you dont win 3 chinese by luck and even against ding ning hirano had 7 unforced errors and 7 winners in the last set. ding ning 1 winner 1 unforced error. so it was all dominated by hirano, she created opportunitities ding ning didnt create almost nothing.

If hirano polishes her game the she will beat ding ning even more convincingly, DN lacks power and imagination

ping fun
05-01-2017, 11:28 AM
liu shiwen's training with Xiao Zhan

http://tw.weibo.com/1002861732/4102604461931187

Michal_Z
05-01-2017, 12:34 PM
liu shiwen's training with Xiao Zhan

http://tw.weibo.com/1002861732/4102604461931187

She is missing quite a lot..

yoass
05-01-2017, 12:38 PM
And when she misses that often goes along with elbowraising in the stroke. Pips?

woodblade
05-01-2017, 02:21 PM
I see a bigger stroke on increasing the power of her backhand.

Tornado2016
05-01-2017, 02:33 PM
Also, compared to men like Zhang Jike or Ma Long her technique looks pretty inconsistent. Maybe, she is not used to get so much backspin?

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 02:46 PM
Results from men's team
Morning:
Ma Long vs Fang Bo 4:3
Fan Zhendong vs Wang Chuqin 4:1
Zhang Jike vs Liu Jikang 4:2
Xu Xin vs Zhou Yu 4:3
Afternoon:
Ma Long vs Kong Lingxuan 4:1
Zhang Jike vs Zheng Peifeng 4:0
Fan Zhendong vs Yan An 4:0
Xu Xin vs Zhou Kai 4:1

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 02:55 PM
Women's multiball training

https://youtu.be/xpXRz6zkqRA

https://youtu.be/a2W92an_Lx0

https://youtu.be/MzoqcqmNVBU

https://youtu.be/zmjY8sK3j0k

TableTennisDaily
05-01-2017, 02:55 PM
Results from men's team
Morning:
Ma Long vs Fang Bo 4:3
Fan Zhendong vs Wang Chuqin 4:1
Zhang Jike vs Liu Jikang 4:2
Xu Xin vs Zhou Yu 4:3
Afternoon:
Ma Long vs Kong Lingxuan 4:1
Zhang Jike vs Zheng Peifeng 4:0
Fan Zhendong vs Yan An 4:0
Xu Xin vs Zhou Kai 4:1

Hi Rainevereverr are these matches televised?

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 02:56 PM
Unfortunately not. Liu Guoliang posted the results.


Hi Rainevereverr are these matches televised?

NextLevel
05-01-2017, 03:01 PM
Looks like Zhang Jike is on the up and up. Nothing is as exciting as seeing Zhang Jike fight.

drunix80
05-01-2017, 03:12 PM
you dont win 3 chinese by luck and even against ding ning hirano had 7 unforced errors and 7 winners in the last set. ding ning 1 winner 1 unforced error. so it was all dominated by hirano, she created opportunitities ding ning didnt create almost nothing.

If hirano polishes her game the she will beat ding ning even more convincingly, DN lacks power and imagination

DN might not have an impressive style of play but she knows what she is doing. WTTC and Olympics titles dont come by fluke either. She is a fighter and thats what I like about her.

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 03:19 PM
Results of women's (BO5 for doubles)
Afternoon:
Wu Yang vs Sun Yingsha 0:4
Mu Zi vs Chen Xingtong 4:1
Zhu Yuling/Chen Meng vs Wang Manyu/Chen Ke 3:2
Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen vs Liu Fei/Hu Limei 3:0

drunix80
05-01-2017, 03:22 PM
Any videos of these matches ??

Michal_Z
05-01-2017, 04:00 PM
Are Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen actually friends?
Because I would not expect that, yet they often play doubles.
Who picks who will play who in the doubles?
Players or people in charge?

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 04:48 PM
Actually they are friends since teenager....
Nowadays CNT does not have fixed doubles pairs. They try all kinds of combinations to make sure that any pair from their Olympic line-up can win major titles. For example, Ma Long/Xu Xin won 2011 WTTC (they were runner-up in 2009 WTTC); Ma Long/Zhang Jike won 2014 Asian Games; Zhang Jike/Xu Xin won 2015 WTTC. Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen were runner-up in 2013 WTTC and Liu Shiwen/Zhu Yuling won 2015 WTTC. It makes sense to send Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen and Zhu Yuling/Chen Meng this year.

This year, China National Games allows free pairing across provinces for the first time. And it is said that players contacted each other to form pairs (well, not necessarily the best friends, but surely someone they trust). Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen paired again and so did Ma Long/Xu Xin.


Are Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen actually friends?
Because I would not expect that, yet they often play doubles.
Who picks who will play who in the doubles?
Players or people in charge?

TTFrenzy
05-01-2017, 05:45 PM
DN might not have an impressive style of play but she knows what she is doing. WTTC and Olympics titles dont come by fluke either. She is a fighter and thats what I like about her.

She is no doubt. I just dont like one dimensional play and as I said keeping the ball on the table is also a way to win no matter how good your opponent is

Michal_Z
05-01-2017, 05:53 PM
Actually they are friends since teenager....
Nowadays CNT does not have fixed doubles pairs. They try all kinds of combinations to make sure that any pair from their Olympic line-up can win major titles. For example, Ma Long/Xu Xin won 2011 WTTC (they were runner-up in 2009 WTTC); Ma Long/Zhang Jike won 2014 Asian Games; Zhang Jike/Xu Xin won 2015 WTTC. Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen were runner-up in 2013 WTTC and Liu Shiwen/Zhu Yuling won 2015 WTTC. It makes sense to send Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen and Zhu Yuling/Chen Meng this year.

This year, China National Games allows free pairing across provinces for the first time. And it is said that players contacted each other to form pairs (well, not necessarily the best friends, but surely someone they trust). Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen paired again and so did Ma Long/Xu Xin.

I thought Ma Long is playing with Timo Boll..
Or am I mistaken?
And - question - if Ma Long is playing doubles with Timo Boll, what would chinese coaches like more:
To Ma Long and Timo Boll take the title or the other pure chinese doubles pair? :P

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 06:45 PM
You missed my point. In recent years, after a pair from potential Olympic line-up won major titles (WTTC, Asian Games), it is less likely that CNT sends that same pair again to attend the major tournaments (one exception, Zhu Yuling/Chen Meng won 2014 Asian Games). And if a pair has not won major titles, CNT will give them some more chances, like Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen pair and Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong pair (they lost to Ma Long/Zhang Jike in 2014 Asian Games). Free pairings between players are only allowed in national tournaments.

Ma Long/Timo Boll pair is another story. In 2015, the original plan of CNT was Ma Long/Fan Zhendong and Zhang Jike/Xu Xin (not Ma Long/Xu Xin because they won 2011 WTTC; not Ma Long/Zhang Jike because they won 2014 Asian Games; Zhang Jike/Xu Xin did not have major titles at that time and they were more likely to attend 2016 Rio compared to Fan Zhendong and needed to be ready for doubles in team events). Liu Guoliang first planned 3 mixed doubles across countries to draw attention but two pairs (Zhang Jike/Ai Fukuhara and Ma Long/Ariel Hsing) did not work out. Timo Boll requested pairing with Ma Long two months before CNT announced 2015 line-up and Liu Guoliang said it was a compromise because he really wanted to catch people's eyes.

This year, Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong have to prove themselves and Ma Long/Timo Boll are more or less an advocate.


I thought Ma Long is playing with Timo Boll..
Or am I mistaken?
And - question - if Ma Long is playing doubles with Timo Boll, what would chinese coaches like more:
To Ma Long and Timo Boll take the title or the other pure chinese doubles pair? :P

ping fun
05-01-2017, 08:41 PM
I guess ding ning is getting reading for CNT 's new song for WTTC
http://tw.weibo.com/5056307415/4102692299835248


Also a few part of zhang jike and ma long's training in gif file ( I couldnt find the full one)

12964

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 10:05 PM
Ding Ning/Liu Shiwen vs Liu Fei/Hu Limei
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av10239627/

Liu Shiwen vs Chen Xingtong
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av10234294/


Any videos of these matches ??

CCTV news

https://youtu.be/9KBYOuppYRE

rainneverever
05-01-2017, 10:09 PM
Here you go.

https://youtu.be/fcj0UOpLLPI



Also a few part of zhang jike and ma long's training in gif file ( I couldnt find the full one)

Baal
05-01-2017, 11:12 PM
Some day we will learn that rainneverforever is actually Liu Guoliang.

ping fun
05-02-2017, 02:34 AM
Here you go.

https://youtu.be/fcj0UOpLLPI

yeah I've seen this part n weibo . I thought its more than 20 secconds

ping fun
05-02-2017, 03:26 AM
Some day we will learn that rainneverforever is actually Liu Guoliang.

;) But It's impossible cause Liu guoliang's favorite player is Zhang jike :p

rainneverever
05-02-2017, 03:41 AM
It is possible! Because this is rainneverever and Baal said "rainneverforever" (is this user name available?)


;) But It's impossible cause Liu guoliang's favorite player is Zhang jike :p

ping fun
05-02-2017, 04:49 AM
It is possible! Because this is rainneverever and Baal said "rainneverforever" (is this user name available?)

haha forever ;) But we just have one rain here

TTFrenzy
05-02-2017, 03:00 PM
good to see FB fighting 4-3 against the captain is a big deal. I wonder if ML was in top condition

xuxinpower
05-02-2017, 09:32 PM
Unless rain mistyped the results, it's the captain who ended up winning 4-3.

good to see FB fighting 4-3 against the captain is a big deal. I wonder if ML was in top condition

rainneverever
05-02-2017, 11:49 PM
Men's team seemed to have a break yesterday, posted by Zhou Yu. https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F6ffa5c9fgy1ff73hnxarej20m80e7tc8.jpg
Physical training and therapy of women's team.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff750fvzfij22c0340u0x.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff750ygbzfj22c03401kz.jpghttps://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff74t7o840j23402c0hdv.jpg

rainneverever
05-03-2017, 02:28 AM
CCTV journalist Li Wujun will leave Huangshi for Shenzhen soon. We will see more reports about men's team.

https://youtu.be/F3pppSokAFw

Michal_Z
05-03-2017, 11:42 AM
Physical training and therapy of women's team.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F3bc674a4gy1ff750fvzfij22c0340u0x.jpg

Damn, I want to be that guy tickling her, lol :D

Yecats Encerwal
05-03-2017, 12:36 PM
Have there been any results since these?

Also, why isn't LGY playing?

Thanks!

TTFrenzy
05-03-2017, 12:56 PM
Unless rain mistyped the results, it's the captain who ended up winning 4-3.

Yes that was my point that FB gave a good fight, FB winning against ML would be a big surprise, the last time he won against ma long was in 2013 warmup trials and another win in the chinese championship in 2012 which are not prestigious events

Bollforte94
05-03-2017, 04:16 PM
Damn, I want to be that guy tickling her, lol :D

Take action! Apply for a job.
:)

rainneverever
05-03-2017, 04:24 PM
Coach assignment of men's team was announced finally:
Zhang Jike/Liu Guozheng
Ma Long/Ma Lin
Fan Zhendong/Wang Hao
Xu Xin/Wu Jingping


https://youtu.be/C5mA2pCvkPA

rainneverever
05-03-2017, 04:35 PM
http://sports.qq.com/a/20170503/043799.htm
Liu Guoliang said Ma Long is facing the biggest challenge within 5 years. After the loss in Asian Champs, he lost two matches in the first round in the closed training (he defeated Fang Bo 4:3 in the second round) and he is not at his best form. He said Zhang Jike is playing more and more wisely and knows how to strengthen his strengths. He said Xu Xin is at crisis and WTTC is his last chance to secure his position in the team. Fan Zhendong is doing well and challenging the big 3.

NextLevel
05-03-2017, 05:35 PM
Wu JingPing is staying in hopes of saving Xu Xin... really?

rainneverever
05-03-2017, 05:48 PM
Yes, a two-year contract. Coach Wu did not apply for the coach position but he is affiliated with the research team.


Wu JingPing is staying in hopes of saving Xu Xin... really?

rainneverever
05-03-2017, 06:06 PM
Physical training of Liu Shiwen and Zhu Yuling

https://youtu.be/t6YKAXIf1fY
Anti-noise training of men's team with the help of Zhang Jike's fan girls

https://youtu.be/hVyZt4CIQ0s

pgpg
05-03-2017, 06:27 PM
I find it somewhat amusing that supposedly 'closed' training camp has that much coverage: photos, videos, match results, press releases, interviews etc.

rainneverever
05-03-2017, 06:46 PM
The training camp is far away from metro area with limited media access. The photos/videos in this thread are from players/coaches/team staffs, CCTV journalists and Li-Ning marketing people (CNT's sponsor).

There are also some fans waiting outside the training center, but much fewer than those outside the national training center in Beijing, not to mention the stadium/hotels of Marvellous 12 Trials and Asian Champs.


I find it somewhat amusing that supposedly 'closed' training camp has that much coverage: photos, videos, match results, press releases, interviews etc.

pgpg
05-03-2017, 08:47 PM
The training camp is far away from metro area with limited media access. The photos/videos in this thread are from players/coaches/team staffs, CCTV journalists and Li-Ning marketing people (CNT's sponsor).

There are also some fans waiting outside the training center, but much fewer than those outside the national training center in Beijing, not to mention the stadium/hotels of Marvellous 12 Trials and Asian Champs.

Thanks for clarifying - I guess I was somewhat thrown off by what 'closed' means here.

drunix80
05-04-2017, 12:39 AM
Thanks for clarifying - I guess I was somewhat thrown off by what 'closed' means here.

Hail 'rainneverever' for making the closed open to folks like us. The info is so interesting for CNT fan like myself.

rainneverever
05-04-2017, 02:27 AM
The screaming was on for 2 hours in the multi-ball training session. One player said, "At the beginning I was not used to it. I felt annoyed and missed balls that I should return."
In Rio Olympic Games team events, CNT was once affected by the Brazilian supporters. That's why Liu Guoliang tried to use the screaming of fangirls to help the players adapted. Zhang Jike told Liu Guoliang that the screaming of his fangirls gave him unprecedented pressure and sometimes even affected his performance during the Asian Champs.
http://sports.qq.com/a/20170504/004447.htm



https://youtu.be/mkMTERtNkN8

Ruoh Leong
05-04-2017, 03:55 AM
ZJK fans said they will scream louder next time to test the players' training result...what a response...hhh!

Tony's Table Tennis
05-04-2017, 06:51 AM
Thanks for clarifying - I guess I was somewhat thrown off by what 'closed' means here.

CNT close training is close to the public
The PR officer will bring in media at certain "approved" time slots, this is part of the PR campaign

Also, it has been years now that the players/coach will post they own pics on social media platform.
Any user with time on the hand, can just browse social media for this pics (and/or videos) of close training.
I used to do this, but I do not have the luxury of social media time as some people has

I would say, CNT is one of the early adopters of sharing internal pics. Other countries are very slow to do this for the general public

drunix80
05-04-2017, 11:48 AM
Yes that was my point that FB gave a good fight, FB winning against ML would be a big surprise, the last time he won against ma long was in 2013 warmup trials and another win in the chinese championship in 2012 which are not prestigious events
I still believe FB would have been a better choice than LGY for WTTC. FB could not adapt to the ball during the trials and ended up at the bottom. But he did well in Qatar and other recent matches.And we all know how well he performed in the last WTTC. Sad to see such talents getting wasted in CNT. They should rather let these guys emigrate somewhere else.

ajtatosmano2
05-04-2017, 12:13 PM
LGY did well in the trials and Marvellous 12 and the coaches are satisfied with him. He worked hard for that and now it's his big chance to prove so he will be determined. It would be bad for the moral if the players see that someone who improved that much, fight for that place and was that successful in all trial events simply get ignored.
It's a principle in teaching if someone does his job then should be rewarded. Different people take the target further or closer, but LGY definitely deserve that place. And it's not the end of the world for china if he gets beaten. ML, FZD, ZJK, XX: one of them will win the title, and probably silver and bronze medalists also will come from CNT.

NextLevel
05-04-2017, 12:33 PM
I still believe FB would have been a better choice than LGY for WTTC. FB could not adapt to the ball during the trials and ended up at the bottom. But he did well in Qatar and other recent matches.And we all know how well he performed in the last WTTC. Sad to see such talents getting wasted in CNT. They should rather let these guys emigrate somewhere else.

This whole argument is very puzzling. LGY was not a choice, he was a qualifier.

rainneverever
05-04-2017, 01:33 PM
CCTV news on men's physical training. Zhang Jike said the Polish physical trainer is helpful.

https://youtu.be/YRbE7F4n_ho

Schedule of warm-up matches (open to public):
May 13
Ma Long vs Liang Jingkun
Fan Zhendong vs Shang Kun
Lin Gaoyuan vs Xu Xin
Ma Long vs Zhou Yu
Zhang Jike vs Fang Bo
Fan Zhendong vs Liang JingKun
Fang Bo/Zhu Cheng vs Yan An/Zhu Linfeng

May 14
Ma Long/Yu Ziyang vs Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong
Lin Gaoyuan vs Ma Te
Zhang Jike vs Wang Chuqin
Xu Xin vs Liang Jingkun

drunix80
05-04-2017, 01:38 PM
This whole argument is very puzzling. LGY was not a choice, he was a qualifier.

Overall, I meant to say that the selection based on a single selection trial held over a span of few days is a little harsh . Players can have few off color days. Top 4 were anyway confirmed. It is really difficult for lower rung players like Yan An , FB , Liang Jinkun etc . Its a hit or miss. One may not perform the whole year and come on top in trials and get the ticket. Nothing to take away from LGY . He has performed well since the CSL and bloomed in the trials. I am somewhat sympathetic towards other B players. It should be based on ranking points based on whole year performance to be fair.

TTFrenzy
05-04-2017, 02:28 PM
I still believe FB would have been a better choice than LGY for WTTC. FB could not adapt to the ball during the trials and ended up at the bottom. But he did well in Qatar and other recent matches.And we all know how well he performed in the last WTTC. Sad to see such talents getting wasted in CNT. They should rather let these guys emigrate somewhere else.


LGL takes several factors into consideration. Not to take anything away from FB but I dont think he stood a chance against a healthy ZJK in the semifinal of suzhou, he also admitted that he beat a very familiar opponent who was not playing @ 100% . If he had clinched the title his position would definitely be different but his results in the trials and super league were not so consistent, LJK same occasion he played his heart out against big name in the super league, managed to beat FZD in the warmup trials but then he didnt manage to break through.

Dont forget that LGY was also in their position 3-4 years ago and he had to try extra hard because he was in doubt in LGL'S mind especially after the 2016 team trials

The chinese selection system is very hard for the new and upcomers but hey, the big names have proven themselves beating the old generation of WLQ MLin and wang hao .

Based strictly on results maybe XX should deserve less chances but so far only FZD has solidified his position against him so I understand why LGL sticks to the "old" team, XX after all is 2 years younger than ML and ZJK

xuxinpower
05-04-2017, 06:32 PM
Does "open to public" means it will be televised ?

CCTV news on men's physical training. Zhang Jike said the Polish physical trainer is helpful.

https://youtu.be/YRbE7F4n_ho

Schedule of warm-up matches (open to public):
May 13
Ma Long vs Liang Jingkun
Fan Zhendong vs Shang Kun
Lin Gaoyuan vs Xu Xin
Ma Long vs Zhou Yu
Zhang Jike vs Fang Bo
Fan Zhendong vs Liang JingKun
Fang Bo/Zhu Cheng vs Yan An/Zhu Linfeng

May 14
Ma Long/Yu Ziyang vs Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong
Lin Gaoyuan vs Ma Te
Zhang Jike vs Wang Chuqin
Xu Xin vs Liang Jingkun

UpSideDownCarl
05-04-2017, 08:20 PM
TTDaily curmudgeon comment of the day: this sycophantic CNT fanboy stuff is getting me down.

[emoji2]


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rainneverever
05-04-2017, 08:38 PM
CCTV is likely to live broadcast some of the warm-up matches.
The tickets are on sale now and fans' recording even live streaming can be expected.


Does "open to public" means it will be televised ?

rainneverever
05-04-2017, 08:43 PM
Training videos and pictures of May 4.
Ding Ning (and Zhu Yuling) physical training
Zhang Jike multi-ball training with Liu Guozheng
Men's doubles: Ma Long/Yu Ziyang vs Xu Xin/Fan Zhendong

https://youtu.be/GAj8BRwrOyc

Liu Shiwen: shoulder therapy
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge% 2F3bc674a4gy1ff9gavqr7kj22c03401ky.jpg
Lin Gaoyuan is building up muscles
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Fmw690% 2F74313659ly1ff9eie9yv9j20ku19kdl0.jpg
CNT line-up
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge% 2F6ab360c2gy1ff9hrson7vj20zk0qo10s.jpg

fais
05-04-2017, 09:41 PM
Rainneverever, I must know why XX hasn't upgraded to carbon blade like ML! Does he feel like the NCT is sufficient for the new ball when all of his contemporaries are playing with carbon blades? Please find out for us!

[QUOTE=rainneverever;189593]CCTV news on men's physical training. Zhang Jike said the Polish physical trainer is helpful.

https://youtu.be/YRbE7F4n_ho

Schedule of warm

rainneverever
05-04-2017, 11:34 PM
I think in 2014 Xu Xin said it easier for penholders to control balls with NCT blade, especially short balls. Not aware that he or coaches wanted to change blade.


Rainneverever, I must know why XX hasn't upgraded to carbon blade like ML! Does he feel like the NCT is sufficient for the new ball when all of his contemporaries are playing with carbon blades? Please find out for us!

Baal
05-05-2017, 12:42 AM
TTDaily curmudgeon comment of the day: this sycophantic CNT fanboy stuff is getting me down.



I admire these players a lot so it doesn't actually get me down. Not exactly.

What is depressing is to look at all this (e.g. the personal massage therapists, the exercise physiologists, the playing hall complete with fan-girl noise from hell, the number of coaches, the number of practice partners etc.) and compare it to the resources devoted to almost any other national table tennis team -- certainly any team outside Asia (since I am not sure quite what Japan devotes to their team). For sure you can't actually blame China for this (it is their national sport). But it is definitely not a level playing field. And so whenever any CNT member loses I am happy, even though it is nothing personal against the CNT player.

rainneverever
05-05-2017, 01:37 AM
In my opinion, it is the teamwork that makes CNT the strongest team now. CNT players are taught not to be self-centered despite of the intense competition within the team (and I hope this tradition can be kept). After every major tournament, players and their coaches analyze the issues not only for themselves but also FOR their teammates/rivals. In the Olympic Games, the team really tried their best to "serve" the core players. For example, the one who only played in team event and the wild card brought breakfast to the ones who played singles, to give them more time to sleep; people who did not get access to the Olympic village rent an apartment and prepared home-made food just in case the player got tired of the cafe. Ma Lin was out competed by Ma Long to play in the team event in 2012 London and he was not even selected as a practice partner. Actually Ma Lin was in charge of grocery shopping in London and got the nickname "Chef", although he did not cook and Coach Wu Jingping and Xiao Zhan were the real chefs. A player with 3 Olympic gold medals and a grocery shopper, that's something really beyond my imagination :P



I admire these players a lot so it doesn't actually get me down. Not exactly.

What is depressing is to look at all this (e.g. the personal massage therapists, the exercise physiologists, the playing hall complete with fan-girl noise from hell, the number of coaches, the number of practice partners etc.) and compare it to the resources devoted to almost any other national table tennis team -- certainly any team outside Asia (since I am not sure quite what Japan devotes to their team). For sure you can't actually blame China for this (it is their national sport). But it is definitely not a level playing field. And so whenever any CNT member loses I am happy, even though it is nothing personal against the CNT player.

rainneverever
05-05-2017, 05:08 AM
Advisory board arrived in Shenzhen, including Cai Zhenhua
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx2.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge% 2F726f94a9ly1ffaaefbv05j20qo0zktci.jpg
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx4.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge% 2F6ffdf580gy1ff9nksexhfj20zk0qogpn.jpg
Ma Long updated his Sina Weibo
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx1.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge% 2Fa3fdb4b1gy1ff9qybzx27j20eu0m8abq.jpg

New training video from Stiga China

https://youtu.be/Y28519MseN8

Ma Long and Croatian therapist

https://youtu.be/X-8tHNJp23U

TTHopeful
05-05-2017, 06:55 AM
When do the cnt head to Germany?

Baal
05-05-2017, 11:05 AM
Well maybe, that in addition to everything else. Do CNT players really have a choice? Remember, that teamwork once included losing when ordered to. Teamwork requires that teams have resources, like a central training facility (or a bunch of them like in China). A lot of the world top 100 are training by playing tournaments like Croatia and Slovenia opens becaause it is their only option. Their "national team" exists for two weeks every other year. The rest of the time they are on their own.

UpSideDownCarl
05-05-2017, 12:14 PM
I admire these players a lot so it doesn't actually get me down. Not exactly.

What is depressing is to look at all this (e.g. the personal massage therapists, the exercise physiologists, the playing hall complete with fan-girl noise from hell, the number of coaches, the number of practice partners etc.) and compare it to the resources devoted to almost any other national table tennis team -- certainly any team outside Asia (since I am not sure quite what Japan devotes to their team). For sure you can't actually blame China for this (it is their national sport). But it is definitely not a level playing field. And so whenever any CNT member loses I am happy, even though it is nothing personal against the CNT player.

We are in agreement. What CNT does to train their athletes is great. The athletes themselves are pretty darn impressive.

I guess it's okay to have all this info. And it is true, there have been some interesting side discussions in the threads like this one.

But the CNT fanboys themselves get me down. On the other hand, the fangirls, I think I'm more okay with them.

Just a bit jealous that the CNT have one or two more fangirls than I have. Although, thinking about it, based on my last week of teaching, it is closer than I was realizing. [emoji2] I have been swarmed with hugs from hoards of well-wishers before and after all my classes.

But I guess the good thing about all the CNT fanboys, if someone other than China wins WTTC or any other major tournament, it will be quite a big celebration from everyone who isn't on the bandwagon.

I am remembering when Russia beat the USA in basketball in 1972 and when USA beat Russia in Hockey in the 1980 Olympics. Or how NYC responded when the Mets won the 1986 World Series. When the Yankees win everyone goes "yay", for a moment and then goes on with their business. When the Mets won, it was such a rare and unlikely event that there were riots. Cars were crushed by fans jumping on them.

Okay, maybe it won't have quite as rowdy an outcome. But, if anyone beats China there will be some real celebrations happening. However, I know there is a slim chance of that happening.

And this thread has all the evidence of how China is so much more prepared than anyone and everyone else.


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NextLevel
05-05-2017, 01:45 PM
Well maybe, that in addition to everything else. Do CNT players really have a choice? Remember, that teamwork once included losing when ordered to. Teamwork requires that teams have resources, like a central training facility (or a bunch of them like in China). A lot of the world top 100 are training by playing tournaments like Croatia and Slovenia opens becaause it is their only option. Their "national team" exists for two weeks every other year. The rest of the time they are on their own.

I don't think he understands the nature of the problem. He probably thinks every country has China and Japan's allocation to TT.

ttmonster
05-05-2017, 01:58 PM
You made a lot of good points Carl. However, I feel in this day and age its not really "CNT" Fanboys or "CNT" Fangirls , atleast in table tennis . I think its mostly the fans are loyal to specific players. I will tell you about my personal prefrences , I only care when ZJK plays and want him to win. Even though I respect them for their skills, I don't feel bad if Ma Long or Ding Ning loses , its because I like how he has transcended the immediate culture of the country and the team and has put an individual stamp of his persona and charisma on the world scene.
But when it comes to teams, I end up supporting to dutch women's team or the english men's team , just because they were punching far above their weights in those respective tournaments and managed to express their team bonding qualities during the matches ...

I have grown up supporting Sanchez Vicario whenever she played Steffi Graf , but when it was Federer vs Nadal , I ended up supporting Federer. I did not desert him when he continued to lose those crunch points in grand slams , rather it would ruin my day when he lost but I managed to see most of his losses in semis and finals or grandslams .... but when he came through this year in Australian open after being down in the fifth , I managed to ride the "high" for days after ...

Even though we like to believe its "blind" "fan"-aticism ... especially for fans on the other side , I think the reality its just preference, either we identify with the challenger or the champion based on some thing we admire and it could be something simple as national loyalty ... some times it ends up being the favorite or sometime the challenger , especially when they manage to transcend their sport and inspire us ...

rainneverever
05-05-2017, 06:05 PM
It is already 2017. Things have changed in the past two decades. Could you please point out when is the last time you saw a fixed game between CNT players?

There are numerous players in China who never make to CNT or fail to stay in CNT due to injuries or abilities or ages. They are still playing, representing their provinces or leagues and they can make a living out of table tennis without attending ITTF world tours. They do not have the resources of CNT players either, but some of them can beat A-team CNT players, even top ones, in national tournaments or CTTSL. Of course they cannot beat CNT players all the time, otherwise they will be recruited to CNT and sent for international tournaments. The point is that CNT players are not unstoppable although they have the best coaches and training partners, perhaps the most investments compared to other countries. In Asian Champs, top CNT players were beaten by Korean and Japanese players. Does it suggest the end of CNT dominance? Maybe. There is an old saying in China, "He who does not advance loses ground". CNT has to be stronger and cannot hope the opponents to become weaker. I think this holds true for other national teams.

Also, the stuffs of CNT closed training I posted in this thread are not something really new and fancy. 3 training sessions per day are common, multi-ball training and 1 vs 2 training are common, even the anti-noise/disturbance training are common. Liu Guoliang once asked people who did not play run around the court waving big white towels to disturb the players in the match. There were also lots of reports from journalists and fans of previous closed trainings. The only difference this time is that the reports are more visual (more videos) and spreading more quickly thanks to the internet popularity after Rio and the defeat of CNT in Asian Champs last month.


Well maybe, that in addition to everything else. Do CNT players really have a choice? Remember, that teamwork once included losing when ordered to. Teamwork requires that teams have resources, like a central training facility (or a bunch of them like in China). A lot of the world top 100 are training by playing tournaments like Croatia and Slovenia opens becaause it is their only option. Their "national team" exists for two weeks every other year. The rest of the time they are on their own.

Tony's Table Tennis
05-05-2017, 07:23 PM
Rain
seems like you are the new cnt guru on TTD
so tell me, how does politics play in 2017 or say past 5 years regarding player selection and "injury replacement"?

1 for starters, no one in the world would make income from world tours, so your statement there is pretty invalid.
CNT players get salary
Provincial players get salary
This is outside salary from super league, or jia a and such.

Japan has more $$$ per player than CNT
This has been the case for 2 to 3 years already

CNT has A and B
B is U18 and as early as 13 year olds

JNT start from 10 year olds

CNT A and B team imo is CNT strength but also weakness
Players who can't promote would eventually retire. 50% of them leave China and play aboard, the younger ones are the ones that fill the spot on provincial team.
Let me explain more, B team, if you are 19 years old, and you can't go to A team, you have a 50-50 chance to land up in Super League or Jia A, or go aboard
The replacements would be 15 year old.

I have a couple of friends who are only 19 years old, and they careers are pretty much over.
They could choose to stay in Jia A and wait until a younger player replace them. Which they are still holding on
Or they change careers
or they go overseas

I know lots of formal B team, and provincial teams going overseas, some of them have also obtained citizenship, and played in olympics
They got world ranking and have a better TT career than oppose to a domestic structure.

You make it seems like CNT is about teamwork
imo, it is more about military style. there is no team work, there is only up or out, fit in or leave atmosphere.
Then coaches politics from provincial team to CNT A team.
If your coach is not connected, you won't even reach CNT B team, no matter how good you are

Tony's Table Tennis
05-05-2017, 07:29 PM
Regarding "There were also lots of reports from journalists and fans of previous closed trainings. The only difference this time is that the reports are more visual (more videos) and spreading more quickly thanks to the internet popularity after Rio and the defeat of CNT in Asian Champs last month."

Imo 2017 has no differences because of Rio or Asian Champs"
Everything is normal
in fact, TT hype is decreasing compared to previous years..... so not sure how you can say its spreading more quickly now...

You can just share the links of players account, cctv journalist account and every one can follow CNT, just like 5 to 10 years ago.

drunix80
05-05-2017, 08:01 PM
Tony, one thing is for sure. China as a country has an ever growing internet reach among its population. Not sure if 5 to 10 years back they had similar internet reach as compared to now. Even facebook started only around 10 years back so not sure how many players had social media accounts 5-10 years back. Sometimes even in China we see empty seats in TT matches these days but I think this is somehow offset by increasing online streaming viewership. So I agree with Rains comment that internet popularity of TT in China is definitely on the rise but the traditional popularity might seem to be on the wane.

And regarding making money out of World Tour , if you are a CNT player, you can definitely make 200-300k USD a year which is definitely not that bad. And if you are a World Tour player from CNT, sponsorship and endorsements would definitely dwarf the actual money earned in the World Tour. So in a way if you are a World Tour level player from CNT, you are earning money directly as well as indirectly.

Tony's Table Tennis
05-05-2017, 08:17 PM
Tony, one thing is for sure. China as a country has an ever growing internet reach among its population. Not sure if 5 to 10 years back they had similar internet reach as compared to now. Even facebook started only around 10 years back so not sure how many players had social media accounts 5-10 years back. Sometimes even in China we see empty seats in TT matches these days but I think this is somehow offset by increasing online streaming viewership. So I agree with Rains comment that internet popularity of TT in China is definitely on the rise but the traditional popularity might seem to be on the wane.

And regarding making money out of World Tour , if you are a CNT player, you can definitely make 200-300k USD a year which is definitely not that bad. And if you are a World Tour player from CNT, sponsorship and endorsements would definitely dwarf the actual money earned in the World Tour. In a way if you are in World Tour level player from CNT, you are earning money directly as well as indirectly.

Chinese Internet is a pretty mature place already.
I don't have stats about the TT internet
But the general population of TT has reduce
Fans, players, even coaches

Bollforte94
05-05-2017, 08:33 PM
Chinese Internet is a pretty mature place already.
I don't have stats about the TT internet
But the general population of TT has reduce
Fans, players, even coaches

You put us in a bad mood and you are not correct in all points.
Not for no reason Zhang Jike was hyped in 2016 after Rio Olympics.

Baal
05-05-2017, 08:44 PM
Rain just made my point actually. The whole "teamwork" thing is a bit hard to buy into as some sort of noble sacrifice when it is compulsary and tbere are lots of provincial players who would kill for the job who are also full time paid professionals. Even provincial level infrastructure (people zand facilities) in China put to shame national training of most countries.

I enjoy the pictures and the videos. But nobody else in the world spends this much on their national table tennis team (and all the other teams that feed into it). That is just how it is.

I am not saying CNT players are ordered to lose now. But there was a time when it happened and it reflects a lot about the "teamwork" culture even if that stopped some time ago.

rainneverever
05-05-2017, 09:09 PM
Tony, I don't think teamwork and internal competition are mutually exclusive. When you say military style, do you actually mean by survival of the fittest? That's natural selection.

For player selection for major tournaments, there are open trials as well as coaches' picks. Which selection do you find suspicious? Please let me know and I will try to find out the original rule for that particular selection. For "injury replacement", do you mean that Guo Yan did not go to London in 2012? Well, the unspoken rule of CNT is WTTC singles titles matter a lot for competition to attend Olympic.

And for salaries and alternative paths for Chinese players outside CNT, I brought that up because I did not fully agree Baal's point that other players struggle because they don't have CNT's resources. My point is that without the best resources, a player can perform really well and Tony's examples of Chinese player playing aboard somehow support this point. But of course, not enough to become world champion or Olympic champion nowadays. In my opinion, the success of CNT (as a team) comes from talent pool, resources, teamwork and internal competition.

As for the internet hypes of table tennis in China, no doubt CNT is the most popular team after Rio in both social media and mainstream media. CNT gets the most popular team award in Sina Weibo Awards Night, which is based on the data of search numbers, topic read times, etc. CNT also gets "You bring the charm to the world" award along with Chinese astronauts team (only two teams among the 11 awardees) selected by mainstream media (CCTV not included). And during Asian Champs, every time CNT player lost to a non-CNT player, it showed up in the top 10 hot topics in Sina Weibo.

As for this thread, I tried to choose what are relevant for WTTC prep, not everything from social media like fans saw Zhang Jike playing basketball and Ding Ning/Lin Gaoyuan/Ma Long was singing for CNT's theme song. If you find it boring, fully understand.

Tony's Table Tennis
05-05-2017, 09:15 PM
You put us in a bad mood and you are not correct in all points.
Not for no reason Zhang Jike was hyped in 2016 after Rio Olympics.

fan boy bad mood alert

Tony's Table Tennis
05-05-2017, 09:17 PM
Rain just made my point actually. The whole "teamwork" thing is a bit hard to buy into as some sort of noble sacrifice when it is compulsary and tbere are lots of provincial players who would kill for the job who are also full time paid professionals. Even provincial level infrastructure (people zand facilities) in China put to shame national training of most countries.

I enjoy the pictures and the videos. But nobody else in the world spends this much on their national table tennis team (and all the other teams that feed into it). That is just how it is.

I am not saying CNT players are ordered to lose now. But there was a time when it happened and it reflects a lot about the "teamwork" culture even if that stopped some time ago.

I could be wrong, but what other national team units are there in the world?
Japan maybe the closes with maybe a higher percentage on individual players development than oppose to team unit development - ie A team players are training partners for top 4 or 7 (for competition preparation)
Germany - individual player preparation
Korea, i'm not sure
Chinese Taipei - 100% individual player/club preparation

Tony's Table Tennis
05-05-2017, 09:19 PM
Tony, I don't think teamwork and internal competition are mutually exclusive. When you say military style, do you actually mean by survival of the fittest? That's natural selection.

For player selection for major tournaments, there are open trials as well as coaches' picks. Which selection do you find suspicious? Please let me know and I will try to find out the original rule for that particular selection. For "injury replacement", do you mean that Guo Yan did not go to London in 2012? Well, the unspoken rule of CNT is WTTC singles titles matter a lot for competition to attend Olympic.

And for salaries and alternative paths for Chinese players outside CNT, I brought that up because I did not fully agree Baal's point that other players struggle because they don't have CNT's resources. My point is that without the best resources, a player can perform really well and Tony's examples of Chinese player playing aboard somehow support this point. But of course, not enough to become world champion or Olympic champion nowadays. In my opinion, the success of CNT (as a team) comes from talent pool, resources, teamwork and internal competition.

As for the internet hypes of table tennis in China, no doubt CNT is the most popular team after Rio in both social media and mainstream media. CNT gets the most popular team award in Sina Weibo Awards Night, which is based on the data of search numbers, topic read times, etc. CNT also gets "You bring the charm to the world" award along with Chinese astronauts team (only two teams among the 11 awardees) selected by mainstream media (CCTV not included). And during Asian Champs, every time CNT player lost to a non-CNT player, it showed up in the top 10 hot topics in Sina Weibo.

As for this thread, I tried to choose what are relevant for WTTC prep, not everything from social media like fans saw Zhang Jike playing basketball and Ding Ning/Lin Gaoyuan/Ma Long was singing for CNT's theme song. If you find it boring, fully understand.

I know one of the assistants in CNT
met one of the PR people

CNT are purposely trying new ways, more ways to increase fan based support, this is due to the declining support on table tennis as a whole.

Table Tennis is only highly up there still, not because of TT, but because other sports are slower in growth

TTFrenzy
05-05-2017, 09:32 PM
fan boy bad mood alert


Im a big ZJK fan but I highly doubt he would be the player he is being kicked out of the CNT if his father was not a coach, and his provincial coach had good relationship with LGL as far as I remember, yan an's father is also a respectable coach if I remember correctly and he is well known amongst TT executives.

Im not degrading them as players but as you said politics/political relationship are always more influential than your value as a player. Teamwork does exist in every national team but its definitely not the deciding factor

Money organization,connections and politics come first in almost every activity when it comes to world class activities

As a kid I hated favoritism because I coulndt understand but now I would definitely push my kid if I could and it was worth it.

boll;s father was a coach, dima's father was a player/coach and many world class players had connections with their country's federation . There are very few exceptions of players who reached the top with zero connections or money and managed to get @ top200

rainneverever
05-05-2017, 09:33 PM
Advisory board of CNT (research staffs, provincial coaches, etc) listened to Qin Zhijian and Liu Guoliang's reports
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fxhimg.sports.cn%2FImage%2Fallimg%2F170504%2F38-1F5041I5062M.jpg

Ma Lin coaching Ma Long vs Wang Hao coaching Fan Zhendong. It is said that Ma Long won in the end.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fwx3.sinaimg.cn%2Flarge%2F6ffdf580gy1ffar1aeffcj20qo0zkgq9.jpg

drunix80
05-05-2017, 09:50 PM
Is it just me or does FZD really look more slim/fit and sharp. Wow if he moves better than he already does, I am not sure what kind of new beastly form he would transform into.

rainneverever
05-05-2017, 10:46 PM
Interestingly many top CNT players are from family without table tennis background at all. Parents sent them to table tennis class for various funny reasons. Guess who they are (all have world champion titles; their parents and close relatives do not play table tennis even for fun) when they started:
(1) to get fit (previously easy to get illness)
(2) to get tuition waived
(3) too naughty (a female player)
(4) to get his mother able to watch him training (he switched from swimming because swimming class did not allow parent watching)
(5) to get basic training good for a basketball player (a female player whose parents want her to play basketball)



Im a big ZJK fan but I highly doubt he would be the player he is being kicked out of the CNT if his father was not a coach, and his provincial coach had good relationship with LGL as far as I remember, yan an's father is also a respectable coach if I remember correctly and he is well known amongst TT executives.

Im not degrading them as players but as you said politics/political relationship are always more influential than your value as a player. Teamwork does exist in every national team but its definitely not the deciding factor

Money organization,connections and politics come first in almost every activity when it comes to world class activities

As a kid I hated favoritism because I coulndt understand but now I would definitely push my kid if I could and it was worth it.

boll;s father was a coach, dima's father was a player/coach and many world class players had connections with their country's federation . There are very few exceptions of players who reached the top with zero connections or money and managed to get @ top200

Baal
05-05-2017, 11:09 PM
Advisory board of CNT (research staffs, provincial coaches, etc) listened to Qin Zhijian and Liu Guoliang's reports
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/cache.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fxhimg.sports.cn%2FImage%2Fallimg%2F170504%2F38-1F5041I5062M.jpg



:rolleyes:

And yet it all comes down to teamwork. (?)

(Somehow, though I doubt that Marcos Frietas has a research staff to help him break down video from all of his potential opponents in mandatory study sessions since he has to actually make a living on his own).

ttmonster
05-05-2017, 11:18 PM
Come on guys , I think we should give this a break now ... lets just enjoy the media coming out ... we are consumers ..

yes , CNT had issues in the past and I am sure there is politics even today , any organization with access to so much power , prestige and money will have politics isn't that a reality. In any sport there is nepotism , growing up I thought it was only in the sport I played in my country and now I realize why my parents pushed me to be a software engineer and not a sportsman ...

Does CNT have better infrastructure than any other country in the world ... the short answer is yes .. does not matter whether Japan has more dollars per player, they are doing it only lately , CNT has a process in places thats been tested through generations ... also they have a much larger player base to choose from , I don't think with the current situation just putting more dollars are going to help , isn't it just pure probability ... probability of a Ma Long coming out of the CNT system is way much higher than a Miu Hirano coming out through Japan ... then comes the question of sustainability ... Pete sampras famously said becoming no. 1 is much easier compared to staying there .. of course CNT has a much larger resource and support structure to support ... is there ugly history in CNT of throwing matches not only to internal players but also to north korean players , just to show support in international politics ... yes ... but is it happennig today ... no ... so why bring it up now ... its different now .. I am sure things are more transparent ... I am sure things are not ideal .... that is why 'ideal' is what it means ...

why are we debating this in a thread meant for enjoying the media coming out of a closed training ..... I understand everybody is making valid and well thought out arguments , but I would hate this thread to get hijacked or raineneverever to stop posting this media ...

TTFrenzy
05-05-2017, 11:22 PM
Interestingly many top CNT players are from family without table tennis background at all. Parents sent them to table tennis class for various funny reasons. Guess who they are (all have world champion titles; their parents and close relatives do not play table tennis even for fun) when they started:
(1) to get fit (previously easy to get illness)
(2) to get tuition waived
(3) too naughty (a female player)
(4) to get his mother able to watch him training (he switched from swimming because swimming class did not allow parent watching)
(5) to get basic training good for a basketball player (a female player whose parents want her to play basketball)


dude. Seriously I didnt say that all top players have TT background or that it is essential and the only way to reach the top. But on same level players with equal talent, TT background is the deciding factor

I can name you at least 10 TT legends not only chinese who had TT background , can you name me 10 TT legends WITHOUT any tt background who reached the very top without any help, purely by results?

There are countless talents in many sports that have been "Wasted" because of politics or favoritism. That's all im saying

It would be mythical and extraordinary if we humans could reach a point were we could cut a watermelon in 10 equal piece so that everybody would be happy. but we have conflicting interests and that is totally understandable.

Im not accusing anyone or any CNT philosophy, Im saying its normal and everyday human behavior

rainneverever
05-05-2017, 11:58 PM
TTFrenzy, didn't I make it clear in my post? I only list some funny reasons why top CNT players started TT class. And let me tell you the truth, among these 5 players, 3 of them are grand slam winners. Maybe they are not qualified as "legends" based on your standards.

Let me tell you who they are and their parents have no TT background at all.
(1) Ma Long was sent to TT class because his parents wanted him to get fit (previously he was easy to get illness).
(2) Fan Zhendong was sent to TT class because his parents learnt that good performance in sports could get his tuition waived.
(3) Li Xiaoxia was very naughty while TT class kept her occupied.
(4) Fang Bo began with swimming class but his mother was not allowed to watch him training. His mother saw TT class nearby which allowed parent to stay and Fang Bo switched to TT class.
(5) Ding Ning's mother used to be a basketball player and wanted her to play basketball as well. Ding Ning was first sent to TT class because her parents thought TT class gave her basic training good for becoming a basketball player.

Baal
05-05-2017, 11:58 PM
I would hate this thread to get hijacked or raineneverever to stop posting this media ...

true for sure

And it is interesting to see it.

Still, all these photos and videos actually reinforce why every time any CNT player* plays anyone else I will cheer for the other guy. And it has nothing against any CNT player. It's just that anyone going up against someone coming out of that machine has a steep hill to climb. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone from China to agree with me, nor should they.

* except I would find it pretty hard to cheer against Liu Shiwen to be honest.

Zaid323918
05-06-2017, 12:25 AM
true for sure

And it is interesting to see it.

Still, all these photos and videos actually reinforce why every time any CNT player* plays anyone else I will cheer for the other guy. And it has nothing against any CNT player. It's just that anyone going up against someone coming out of that machine has a steep hill to climb. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone from China to agree with me, nor should they.

* except I would find it pretty hard to cheer against Liu Shiwen to be honest.
what's special about Liu Shiwen?

pgpg
05-06-2017, 12:40 AM
...
(3) Li Xiaoxia was very naughty while TT class kept her occupied.
...


Naughty, eh? Nudge nudge, wink wink, you know what I mean? Say no more! :rolleyes:

/MontyPythonMode


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrvQ1c5khU

Seriously, though - I actually love this thread, @rainneverever, please keep it going.

rainneverever
05-06-2017, 12:49 AM
To make you a more thorough list. There are 5 Chinese female grand slam winners, Deng Yaping's father was a TT player/coach and Wang Nan's father is a fan of TT but not professional player. Ding Ning's parents were athletes (not TT players). Zhang Yining's and Li Xiaoxia's families have no sports background.
There are 4 Chinese male grand slam winners, Liu Guoliang, Kong Linghui and Zhang Jike are all sons of TT coaches while Ma Long's family has no sports background.
For Olympic gold medalists, Wang Hao's and Guo Yue's fathers are fans of TT while Ma Lin's, Wang Liqin's, Yan Sen's, Wang Tao's, Lu Lin’s families have no sports background. Chen Qi's mother has track/field training background, but his family has no TT background. Just FYI Wang Tao's is from a musician family.
For current world champions Xu Xin's, Fan Zhendong's, Fang Bo's, Liu Shiwen's, Zhu Yuling's families have no TT background. Chen Meng's mother used to a TT player.

I think this list says something: (1) 4 out 9 Chinese Grand Slam winners are with TT coaches background. (2) Some players' parents have TT as a hobby which impacted their career choice. (3) Most players do not have TT or even sports background, but it does not keep them from talent identification.



I can name you at least 10 TT legends not only chinese who had TT background , can you name me 10 TT legends WITHOUT any tt background who reached the very top without any help, purely by results?

TTFrenzy
05-06-2017, 01:09 AM
You are constantly missing my point either on purpose or not it does not matter anyway cheers :P I wasnt referring to TT families only, I explained which factors I consider important

Given the current level of the rest countries in TT I strongly believe that there are players (who are not top 10 inside the CNT) which if given the chance and nurtured properly from coaches and the whole teamwork you have pointed out they can clinch world titles.

But its a lot easier to let the players kill each other and definitely more efficient. And somewhere along the way politics /careers and personal interests come into play

TTFrenzy
05-06-2017, 01:21 AM
Besides I was talking about the whole worldwide picture not only CNT

boll's father a coach, dima's the same. waldner's brother was a player and his father motivated him. He had appelgren in his teens to take care of him. Kreanga's father wanted him to be an athlete and was trained in Bistrita , Romania the training school that produced all the top romanian players.

Other examples, not so successful but with a bad taste of politics. Adrien Mattenet, exploded in world cup 2011 but after 2013 his relationships with the federation were bad as some french users said. Several top russian players were banned from the RNT for the same reason

Again I was not only talking about TT families, but politics, money, connections all have their value and contribute to a player's success or not

rainneverever
05-06-2017, 01:58 AM
Results of May 5 matches
Ma Long 4:0 Fan Zhendong
Xu Xin 4:0 Zhang Jike
Lin Gaoyuan 4:3 Liang Jingkun

https://youtu.be/qMZJEluZkPI

rainneverever
05-06-2017, 02:22 AM
CNT will go to Luxembourg after the closed training and head to Germany a week later.


When do the cnt head to Germany?

drunix80
05-06-2017, 03:00 AM
Results of May 5 matches
Ma Long 4:0 Fan Zhendong
Xu Xin 4:0 Zhang

Those are shocking results to me. XX looks pretty motivated after drubbing in Asians . But not to forget he has the tendency to crumble under pressure.

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 05:37 AM
Results of May 5 matches
Ma Long 4:0 Fan Zhendong
Xu Xin 4:0 Zhang Jike
Lin Gaoyuan 4:3 Liang Jingkun
[/video]
Based on current form and injuries, all the results other than the last one are pretty much upsets , may be the coaches have taken out some shots from their repertoire and asked to play without some of their regularly used weapons

Tony's Table Tennis
05-06-2017, 07:26 AM
It is a known fact that for one to get to the top, you will need: Money, and/or connections, and/or political backing, and then skills/result

CCY for example had no or close to zero support.
He fought his way to the top in the world by support of his mom selling they own properties to fund his development.
His mom sending in to China and uses personal contacts (mom was a formal player.....)

Back to China, it is common, if your kids are 8 years old, if you are not paying the coach more, the coach won't focus on your kid.
Favoritism or buying favoritism is norm is lots of sports

What I am saying, if people think CNT is all about team work
If CNT is all about the correct model
Think again

There is a very ugly side to it, and it is really only the fittest survive, and we are not talking just about results.

And I would agree, if ZJK's coaches doesn't have that special "ability", it is not often that kicked out players return to the A team

Tony's Table Tennis
05-06-2017, 07:27 AM
what's special about Liu Shiwen?

Whats not special about Liu Shiwen?

Tony's Table Tennis
05-06-2017, 07:35 AM
Come on guys , I think we should give this a break now ... lets just enjoy the media coming out ... we are consumers ..

yes , CNT had issues in the past and I am sure there is politics even today , any organization with access to so much power , prestige and money will have politics isn't that a reality. In any sport there is nepotism , growing up I thought it was only in the sport I played in my country and now I realize why my parents pushed me to be a software engineer and not a sportsman ...

Does CNT have better infrastructure than any other country in the world ... the short answer is yes .. does not matter whether Japan has more dollars per player, they are doing it only lately , CNT has a process in places thats been tested through generations ... also they have a much larger player base to choose from , I don't think with the current situation just putting more dollars are going to help , isn't it just pure probability ... probability of a Ma Long coming out of the CNT system is way much higher than a Miu Hirano coming out through Japan ... then comes the question of sustainability ... Pete sampras famously said becoming no. 1 is much easier compared to staying there .. of course CNT has a much larger resource and support structure to support ... is there ugly history in CNT of throwing matches not only to internal players but also to north korean players , just to show support in international politics ... yes ... but is it happennig today ... no ... so why bring it up now ... its different now .. I am sure things are more transparent ... I am sure things are not ideal .... that is why 'ideal' is what it means ...

why are we debating this in a thread meant for enjoying the media coming out of a closed training ..... I understand everybody is making valid and well thought out arguments , but I would hate this thread to get hijacked or raineneverever to stop posting this media ...

This media is public media already and all over the internet
Maybe some people are just lazy and only want TTD to delivery it they door step
any ways

I am just disagreeing to Rain and some people who think CNT has it right.
I already said, from PR part, no one can beat CNT
But CNT is not Heaven

imo, i prefer the new JNT method - see how many Japanese players are able to play internationally? I lost count, but in the junior top 200, there is what, 30 to 50 players???

Japan is a proper free country. If you have money/self funding/support, JTTA will allow you to play on the ITTF junior circuit.
In China, if you are not in the CNT development, good luck with playing on junior circuit.
I already explained the difficulties on being in CNT, it is not just skills

one player in JNT has a support staff of 6 people to 1 player.
CNT is not there yet, it also updated to 1 to 1 coach/player this year

Any ways, I shall stop talking to you if you don't like to hear my inside knowledge of CNT and a couple of national teams that I have really good connections with.
You can continue to enjoy your media

Should rain stop posting, then tell me, and I can give you all the links and you can do the copy and paste duties for TTD

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 07:36 AM
Creating this thread to ensure we stay on topic on the CNT closed training thread .. I honestly think a lot of people want to discuss this have put forward very valueable points and it certainly deserves its own thread ... hope fellow TTD members want to chime in here ..
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?15417-Politics-and-Nepotism-in-Sports-Impact-on-CNT-and-table-tennis-teams-and-players

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 07:38 AM
You are right , I am certainly lazy and actually lazier than you think , I don't want to do the copy paste :P .. I just want to read what rain pastes :D ... but I am a little smarter than you give me credit ... so I created a new thread to ensure we discuss what we are discussing here .. just don't want to stay on topic .. hope you don't mind ...

This media is public media already and all over the internet
Maybe some people are just lazy and only want TTD to delivery it they door step
any ways

I am just disagreeing to Rain and some people who think CNT has it right.
I already said, from PR part, no one can beat CNT
But CNT is not Heaven

imo, i prefer the new JNT method - see how many Japanese players are able to play internationally? I lost count, but in the junior top 200, there is what, 30 to 50 players???

Japan is a proper free country. If you have money/self funding/support, JTTA will allow you to play on the ITTF junior circuit.
In China, if you are not in the CNT development, good luck with playing on junior circuit.
I already explained the difficulties on being in CNT, it is not just skills

one player in JNT has a support staff of 6 people to 1 player.
CNT is not there yet, it also updated to 1 to 1 coach/player this year

Any ways, I shall stop talking to you if you don't like to hear my inside knowledge of CNT and a couple of national teams that I have really good connections with.
You can continue to enjoy your media

Should rain stop posting, then tell me, and I can give you all the links and you can do the copy and paste duties for TTD

ttmonster
05-06-2017, 08:19 AM
Any ways, I shall stop talking to you if you don't like to hear my inside knowledge of CNT and a couple of national teams that I have really good connections with.
You can continue to enjoy your media


Come on Tony , you got me completely wrong ... I don't have anything against the arguments and the information exchange that was happening here ... I just wanted to stay on topic .. you should have noticed when I was trying to stop the hijacking , I myself could not resist putting my 2 cents on this ...

The point I was trying to make is that everybody has contributed a lot of information , definitely you as well as rain and Baal too , there were other respected members here who also chimed in with their take on things and it was a healthy discussion ... I am no moderator and I certainly don't have the right to ask anybody to stop talking unless its inside my home , rental or otherwise :D .... I just thought of suggesting that since this thread has a lot of media .. and since there are lot of fanboys and fangirls out there who might come over here to see this thread , since TTD has been advertising this thread in social media .. it might not be a bad idea to be on our best behaviors and not hijack this thread ... and take the discussion to a dedicated thread of its own ... my personal opinion .. take it or leave it ... btw, I do understand where you are coming from when you air your disenchantment with CNT ..... your grievances are very valid ..

Baal
05-06-2017, 12:09 PM
I actually didn't contribute any information at all. Just a sports fan's opinion.

blueicecream
05-06-2017, 12:09 PM
Just focus this topic please.

drunix80
05-06-2017, 12:33 PM
Just focus this topic please.

Yes I am still scratching my head why FZD and ZJK lost 0:4 to ML and XX. Any opinions ??

Baal
05-06-2017, 12:37 PM
Just focus this topic please.

Sure. What is it?

Baal
05-06-2017, 12:38 PM
Yes I am still scratching my head why FZD and ZJK lost 0:4 to ML and XX. Any opinions ??

Kind of hard to say without watching the actual match. With ZJK you always think about injury issues these days.

NextLevel
05-06-2017, 12:38 PM
Yes I am still scratching my head why FZD and ZJK lost 0:4 to ML and XX. Any opinions ??

Practice!

blueicecream
05-06-2017, 12:54 PM
Sure. What is it?
CNT closed training for WTTC , of couse

ajtatosmano2
05-06-2017, 01:00 PM
Yes I am still scratching my head why FZD and ZJK lost 0:4 to ML and XX. Any opinions ??

As they train and play regularly with each other, I don't think that this has an important meaning.
We know that ZJK isn't at his best even after rehabilitation and ML is very strong both technically and tactically. XX must working hard to don't get replaced and FZD still is not No.1.

blueicecream
05-06-2017, 01:32 PM
New pics from TableTennisWorld Weibo account.

New coaches and their players.

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illegalcharacters
05-06-2017, 03:50 PM
Can't wait for the match on May 13&14

rainneverever
05-06-2017, 04:27 PM
The money/connections discussion sounds funny to me, especially with the list of numerous top CNT players coming from no TT background and not rich family. If one is gifted, people will invest money on him/her and if one is really good, people will build up connections with him/her. Is it difficult to admit that the talent is the foundation of success?
"People" I referred include "provincial teams", which is the most important factor in early career of the players. There are stories of money/politics in certain Chinese provincial teams but richer/stronger provincial teams don't care about the players' TT background and money and no one in CNT can get major titles because of money and connections.
I've mentioned that Ma Lin, Li Xiaoxia, Ma Long and Liu Shiwen are from family without TT background. Actually they have one more thing in common. They are all from Liaoning province but were ironically kicked off Liaoning provincial team and picked up by Guangdong, Shandong, Beijing and Guangdong respectively. Obviously Shandong and Beijing team can provide better resources to Li Xiaoxia and Ma Long compared to Liaoning. The teams made the investment based on the players' potentials and got paid off.

rainneverever
05-06-2017, 04:32 PM
Sure please post the links now and save my time.



Should rain stop posting, then tell me, and I can give you all the links and you can do the copy and paste duties for TTD

rainneverever
05-06-2017, 04:33 PM
http://sports.sohu.com/20170506/n492022151.shtml
Liu Guoliang commented on the matches.
On Ma Long: He felt the problem (new ball) was solved after some training after Asian Champs. However, he lost two warm-up matches. He began to worry about the problem again. In this match, obviously the new ball did not affect him. It is the mindset, being positive or negative, that makes the difference.

On Fan Zhendong: He did not start as quickly as Ma Long. The whole game was controlled by Ma Long. Fan Zhendong should not get trapped into Ma Long's game. Be prepared to get something like 1-2 in the first three sets. The more eagerly he tried to attack, the more changes came from Ma Long.

On Liang Jingkun (Lin Gaoyuan led 3-0 and Liang Jingkun came back 3-3. In the deciding set, Liang Jingkun started with 4:0): In recent years, he did play well sometimes but lost a lot of matches he should not have lost. He still has problems to make reasonable decisions, use FH effectively and control the game.

On Lin Gaoyuan: His FH is still weak.

On Xu Xin: His BH attack improves a lot. The issue is why his BH is effective during the training and intense warm-up matches, but not in major tournaments.

On Zhang Jike: Maybe the recent training is too tiring. He seemed lost and lack of inspirations. No matter how good the player is, now matter how high level he has, mind controls techniques. His biggest problem today is his mind did not control his body. What he played was not what he expected. The previous warm-up matched were aimed to help Zhang Jike find the confidence. In the late stage of the closed training, speed and toughness will increase. At his best days, the bigger the pressure, the more difficulties faced, the higher he jumped.


Yes I am still scratching my head why FZD and ZJK lost 0:4 to ML and XX. Any opinions ??

Icemanspirit
05-06-2017, 04:34 PM
@rainneverever I seem to recall that the Chinese sporting system also provides kickbacks to coaches of Olympic champions, i.e. when Ma Long or Zhang Jike for example got their Olympic medals their former coaches got bonuses. This completely removes any incentive to bribe youth coaches..