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Zaid323918
05-02-2017, 05:34 PM
Hi all,
The Bluefire series are ESN tensors and are similar to other tensors. For example Andro Rasant Powergrip and Tibhar Evolution MX-S are both better as forehand rubbers with hard 50 degree sponges. MX-P and Rasant Turbo are also similar. So with the Bluefire series I wanted to know which one was the hard 50 degree one that's similar to Rasant Powergrip and MX-S. Also which one is similar to MX-P and the EL-S.

romanzdk
05-02-2017, 05:42 PM
I'd say MX-S M1 Turbo, MX-P M1


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Zaid323918
05-02-2017, 09:10 PM
I'd say MX-S M1 Turbo, MX-P M1



oh what's different about JP01 and JP01 Turbo

CallumMcKinnon
01-26-2018, 10:03 PM
oh what's different about JP01 and JP01 TurboJP 01 turbo is more open pored giving it more of a catapult off the rubber. JP 01 and JP 03 are both really similar to tenergy as the sponge pores are closer together. JP 02 is closer to JP 01 turbo but with a top sheet more similar to JP 03.

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yogi_bear
01-27-2018, 02:25 AM
Forget about bluefire. The Z1 Bluestorm feels like mxp but better with more spin, grip and speed. I am hoping it would be durable too.

Shifu
01-27-2018, 08:21 AM
I think Aurus prime should be same generation

Airoc
01-27-2018, 08:31 AM
For example Andro Rasant Powergrip and Tibhar Evolution MX-S are both better as forehand rubbers with hard 50 degree sponges. MX-P and Rasant Turbo are also similar.

MX-S does not have a 50 degree sponge, and I think it stands a little out of the line.

It´s not guaranteed that in the same "generation" all brands would pick identical recipes, so while Rasant Powergrip and Bluefire M1 turbo have 50 degree sponges Tibhar does not have a 50 degree version made for the market.

So you will not always find the exact match to a certain rubber, but I would also say M1 is most similar to MX-P.

Airoc
01-27-2018, 08:33 AM
Aurus Prime is from the new generation with thicker max sponges, as is bluestorm.

You may find these rubbers to be even better than generation MX-P/bluefire M1/Rasant ...

HairF1
01-28-2018, 05:57 AM
Unfortunately it is not. Donic rubbers are indeed very spinny, but their durability is probably the worst in the market. Bluestorm bears the same curse =/


Forget about bluefire. The Z1 Bluestorm feels like mxp but better with more spin, grip and speed. I am hoping it would be durable too.

Airoc
01-28-2018, 07:51 AM
Unfortunately it is not. Donic rubbers are indeed very spinny, but their durability is probably the worst in the market. Bluestorm bears the same curse =/

Donic tensor rubbers are produced in the same factory as andro, Tibhar, Joola, GEWO, XIOM and a lot more other tensor rubbers. I see no reason whatsoever why they should be less durable in general.

But if that´s your experience, I´d like to know why you think this happens.

jackass22
01-28-2018, 07:57 AM
Donic bluefire m3 is one of the most durable rubber on market. I know 2 players in 1 ligue(2500 rt) and they are playing all season with one rubber(300-400) hours.

matzreenzi
01-28-2018, 09:39 AM
Forget about bluefire. The Z1 Bluestorm feels like mxp but better with more spin, grip and speed. I am hoping it would be durable too.

sorry if this question some sort of out of topic but..but yogi, how about dhs gold arc 8? do you reviewed it yet? I'm kind of curious to know since a lot of reviews about it are quite promising.

yoass
01-28-2018, 10:41 AM
sorry if this question some sort of out of topic but..but yogi, how about dhs gold arc 8? do you reviewed it yet? I'm kind of curious to know since a lot of reviews about are quite promising.

I'm not Yogi (sorry) but I have played with Gold Arc 8 (having EJed a nice blade with it together to toy with), and can attest to the reviews. It is very, very fast to start with, and I have yet to see its peak in spin production. A top-notch rubber for better players than me ("with great power comes the necessity of great ability"); I'm having a hard time with it in the short game. It's up there somewhere near MX-P. Gold Arc 8 is perhaps slightly less edgy, and of these two I prefer the feeling of Gold Arc 8.

Konrad Bak
01-28-2018, 10:52 AM
ga8, tenergy, mxp... the same category of rubber. The fastest mxp, the best control Goldarc, the best of them Tenergy 05 but cost sometimes 1,6 more than GA8 and 1,8 than MXP

My friends give me tenergy 05 for 35 euro so of course is the best choice but if you don't have any national players in your club. The best option is buy from ALI 4 sheets of GA8...

yogi_bear
01-28-2018, 11:14 AM
Sorry have not tried gold arc 8

matzreenzi
01-28-2018, 11:39 AM
Sorry have not tried gold arc 8

owh it is ok, kind of sad.. my curiosity is overwhelming if you had tried dhs gold arc 8 due to your well-known reputation and credibility (no offense to others and your input are gladly appreciated too)

HairF1
01-29-2018, 03:24 AM
I know they are produced in the same factory Airoc, but I believe there are some differences between ESN rubbers of different brands even within the same technology step. I do not know why Donic bluefire and bluestorm lasts less than MX-P and Aurus prime for example, but the fact is that they do, at least for me and for my club collegues. We really like the performance of Donic rubbers and a lot of us still use it, but they do not last more than 3 weeks to 1 month (training about 4h a day, 4 days a week) while rubber from other brands, usually, last one and a half months or so.


Donic tensor rubbers are produced in the same factory as andro, Tibhar, Joola, GEWO, XIOM and a lot more other tensor rubbers. I see no reason whatsoever why they should be less durable in general.

But if that´s your experience, I´d like to know why you think this happens.

yogi_bear
01-29-2018, 03:40 AM
They do have a difference in terms of durability ang longevity. I am hoping the new bluestorm series will be better in terms of longevity than mxp.

HairF1
01-29-2018, 03:51 AM
I hope they somehow prove to be more durable for you Yogi. The two sheets I have tried (Z1 black and Z2 red) lasted only 3 weeks before considerably loosing performance. Way less than MX-P. Good news is that I found than both to be faster and spinnier than MX-P with ABS plastic balls.


They do have a difference in terms of durability ang longevity. I am hoping the new bluestorm series will be better in terms of longevity than mxp.

yogi_bear
01-29-2018, 04:40 AM
3 weeks huh? Unless your level is really that high then 3 weeks is kinda short.

Airoc
01-29-2018, 06:21 AM
I know they are produced in the same factory Airoc, but I believe there are some differences between ESN rubbers of different brands even within the same technology step.

Yes, I know, and I always object the "it´s all the same anyway" posts and statements.

It´s just that I would have thought that if it´s always the Donic recipe that fades quickly, they would do something about that by time, especially since the founder/owner of the ESN factory is Doctor Nicklas himself (founder of Donic) and it would be strange to have Donic´s reputation affected in that way, even if he is no longer with Donic.

That´s why I asked, I don´t doubt your experience. Haven´t played Donic in a long time myself.

yoass
01-29-2018, 03:14 PM
Unfortunately it is not. Donic rubbers are indeed very spinny, but their durability is probably the worst in the market. Bluestorm bears the same curse =/

Pondering this, and looked around. I noticeh high-level players using Bluefire Big Slam over a year without complaints, and even one using a slab of red Baracuda that’s many years old and still spinny as hell.

So, not many use Donic covering, hence a small sample. But that small sample gets impressive longevity from them.