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Dan
10-14-2011, 06:57 PM
Our latest video provided by youtuber Calcutta75 of Patrick baum serve training. Its an amazing video, you get to really see how much wrist movement is going into the ball. Half way through the video there is slow motion footage for you to get a better understanding of the serves. I am really impressed with his reverse serve! So much spin and variation!

http://tabletennista.com/up/posts/patrickbaum_1.365x265.jpg
Photo by: http://szatexmiskolc.hu/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wtGZEJ_Rj4&feature=feedu

What did you learn?

nicson123
10-14-2011, 07:39 PM
Great serve videos!!!

DaFaiGai
10-14-2011, 10:49 PM
Look its Stefan Feth! :P

UpSideDownCarl
10-15-2011, 02:13 AM
Good slow motion footage so you can see what is going on.

ttmonster
10-15-2011, 06:41 AM
Wow !! I guess you are right .. I was thinking the same thing while watching the video and then saw your post ... :)

Look its Stefan Feth! :P

ttmonster
10-15-2011, 07:10 AM
What did you learn?

Very identical action for under and side-under ... very small but effective wrist action and timing of transfer of weight ... also immediate switch to ready position ... also noticable was the convex touch on the ball to generate max. spin with slightest touch ( guess harder to control though :) )

moriguchi2
10-15-2011, 11:16 PM
alot of wrist thats for sure

homer_123
10-16-2011, 08:28 AM
I learnt how not to push - how many of the service returns did he net? ;-)

I jest of course - I get the feeling he spent as much time on the serves as he did trying to disguise them - by that I mean trying to make them look as identical as possible. Good stuff.

Question - should we be trying to be as economical with our serves as possible - i.e. keep movement etc. to a minimum to maximise the effectiveness of the serve and reduce the chance of error. Baum seems to have a look of stuff before and after the serve that seem a little unnecessary - or is it just me? The disguise of course is worthwhile.

YosuaYosan
10-16-2011, 04:59 PM
Maybe I should take a thing or two from his reserve pendulum :D

Damn fine serves I say..

Tinykin
10-20-2011, 07:58 PM
Anyone remember an umpire faulting Baum's serves a few months ago? This video proves that the umpire was technically correct. The ball does disappear temporarily behind his head after the ball leaves the palm. I don't know whether it was worth the call though.
Anyway, for that reason, I would not recommend anyone copying the throw itself.

Mr. RicharD
10-21-2011, 01:25 AM
@ Tinykin - I'm sorry I don't see it at all. I'm a film grad and I can see clearly the ball moving in front of his head. Also the camera angle is not from the opponent's view so it's impossibly to see clearly whether the ball is hidden by anything at all.

This to me right here is why umpires shouldn't have the right to call a fault unless clearly hidden by an arm or whatever it may be. Unless you're the opponent there's no way to completely see the angle of the service properly.

No offense made here friend, but I haven't seen an illegal service from Baum in the video above.

Tinykin
10-22-2011, 03:10 PM
That's why I question whether it was worth the call. Some see things that others don't.