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thomas.pong
08-08-2017, 09:17 PM
Dear TTD,

I was wondering if you were planning an extensive/video review of the new Tibhar Aurus Prime and Select rubbers?

It'd be interesting to know how the Prime compares to the MX-P and Rasanter R47, and how the Select compares to Rozena.

Best,

- Thomas

Dan
08-08-2017, 11:28 PM
Hi Thomas we will launch a review on the prime and select soon. We will compade ir to the Aurus, MXP and some other brand rubbers :) Have you tried them?

Stay tuned

thomas.pong
08-09-2017, 01:57 PM
Hi Dan,

Thank you for the reply. You guys are on top of it as usual! Really looking forward to the review!

Will you be testing them with a Tibhar-sponsored player such as Samsonov, Lebesson or Drinkhall perhaps? :rolleyes: (curious to see if any of them will switch from Evolution-series to new Aurus in the future)

I currently play with MX-P and have yet to try the Rasanter, Aurus or Rozena, considering trying one of them soon to compare their effect on the plastic ball vs. Evo.

Cheers!

Airoc
08-09-2017, 02:36 PM
I currently play with MX-P and have yet to try the Rasanter, Aurus or Rozena, considering trying one of them soon to compare their effect on the plastic ball vs. Evo.


May I offer some pre-"Dan test" help here? ;)

First of all, Evolution MX-P works fine with plastic balls already - if you like its playing characteristics you might not want to switch after all.

But the new generation ESN topsheets are even better, so in theory you will find quite some alternatives in the hardness of your current rubber (47,5).
However Rasanter R47 (ultramax) feels softer than MX-P, V47 is a little more direct, bluestorm Z2 feels really soft and Aurus Prime has such a stiff topsheet that it feels like a 50 degree rubber. It demands for more accuracy in your shots than MX-P, but it pays if you can handle that.

And just forget Rozena. It is a bouncy soft rubber with very un-linear characteristics. I feel Butterfly had to release something and didn´t want to call it tenergy 99 or something, in order to make it cheaper. But generally, with discounts given on other stuff, settle for Rasanter R42 oder Aurus Select, they feel more solid than Rozena.

thomas.pong
08-09-2017, 09:29 PM
Thanks Airoc!

I've actually read everything you previously wrote about Aurus Prime & Select on TTD, thank you for going even further with these additional comments, this is very helpful.

Based on your notes and my experience with MX-P (which I find quite forgiving given my level), I'm thinking that the Aurus Prime might be too hard for me, and the Rasanter R47 might be worth trying.

And yea, I figured Rozena was out-of-the-question, and Aurus Select probably not worth switching to if I like MX-P.

What are your thoughts on Tibhar pro players potentially switching from MX-P to Aurus Prime? Think it will happen?

Best,

- Thomas

Dan
08-29-2017, 09:23 PM
Thanks for the help guys, we have implemented some of your ideas. You were correct Thomas we have done the review with Tibhar player Paul Drinkhall. His speed and power is really something!

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We will release the review soon :)

thomas.pong
08-29-2017, 10:05 PM
Thanks Dan!

Really looking forward to watching the review with you and Paul!

Do you happen to know if he made the switch to Aurus Prime himself?

TheKevinFang
09-01-2017, 09:28 PM
bump-

Ricardo S.
09-02-2017, 09:42 AM
And bluestorm???

Airoc
09-02-2017, 12:09 PM
What are your thoughts on Tibhar pro players potentially switching from MX-P to Aurus Prime? Think it will happen?


I can´t speak for them and haven´t spoken to any of them lately ;)

Evolution topsheets are already available to pros with sponge hardnesses of 50 and even 52.5 degrees, and as long as people are happy with something that does the job they usually don´t switch.

I also think that Tibhar themselves handle the Evolution series as their top line.

But I was very impressed with the Aurus Prime and I don´t see why some of the sponsored players shouldn´t be as well.

TTHopeful
09-02-2017, 07:37 PM
Were the rubbers boosted?

Airoc
09-03-2017, 11:23 AM
Were the rubbers boosted?

The Aurus Prime and Select I tested were samples straight from the factory, so if the production process involves boosting of some kind the answer would be yes.

If the question is did I do something to them, the answer is no.

TTHopeful
09-04-2017, 06:40 AM
The Aurus Prime and Select I tested were samples straight from the factory, so if the production process involves boosting of some kind the answer would be yes.

If the question is did I do something to them, the answer is no.

How do you compare them to the rasant grip you use? I have tried the grip, it has good speed

Airoc
09-04-2017, 08:57 AM
How do you compare them to the rasant grip you use? I have tried the grip, it has good speed

I think the new generation topsheet of the Prime version allows for even better ball coupling, but it is very stiff and makes the overall feeling of the rubber appear much harder than its nominal 47,5 degree sponge hardness (which is already harder than Rasant Grip) would let you expect.

On the other hand the Select version, although nominally as hard as Rasant Grip, appears much softer and I also think its topsheet isn´t fully identical to that of the Prime version, so it has nothing to offer that Rasant Grip wouldn´t do in terms of spin.

If you want something that resembles Rasant Grip but offers more spin potential you should in my opinion take a closer look at Rasanter V47. The R47 version feels softer than Rasant Grip, at least in ultramax (and I haven´t tested anything else).

chintanmashroo
09-04-2017, 06:14 PM
@Dan
How would you compare the new rubbers with Tibhar Evolution MXP (with Prime) and FXP (with Select)?

OhWell
09-05-2017, 12:12 AM
The people are hungry for the review! :D

The ttgearlab review leaves me curious about aurus prime's performance on BH. (https://ttgearlab.com/2017/08/23/tibhar-aurus-prime-aurus-select-review/)

UpSideDownCarl
09-07-2017, 03:46 PM
Hey Dan!! Eagerly waiting for the Aurus Prime and Select review. Hopefully you compared it with R47 as they are made on the same idea, if I'm not wrong? Thinner topsheet, thicker sponge right?


Hey, there is already a thread on this subject. You can find that thread and post in it. Within 2 hours I will delete this thread. Please respond that you understand. And then go to the other thread to post.

You also should know that these reviews take a lot of work and time. Some of that has to do with arranging with the company. In the other thread, I believe Dan said he is working on it. And Dan is pretty busy doing so many things behind the scenes. Please be patient. If he says he will do it, he will.

Gourav, this is where you should post. Shortly I will delete your duplicate thread.

Gourav Acharya
09-08-2017, 01:28 PM
Gourav, this is where you should post. Shortly I will delete your duplicate thread.Yup, no problem. I understand.

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Fan Xu Long J.K Dima
09-12-2017, 06:06 AM
I have tried the following combinations:

Set up 1:
Stiga Eternity
MX-S max (fh)
MX-P max (bh)

Set up 2:
Nitakku Rutis Power
Aurus Prime 1.9 (fh)
Aurus Select 1.9 (bh)

Set up 3:
Stiga Eternity
Aurus Prime 1.9 (fh)
MX-S max (bh)

Set up 4:
Stiga Artic Wood
MX-S max (fh)
MX-P max (bh)


I think Set up 2 is the lightest and easiest to handle incoming speed, requires less effort to lift heavy backspin, I don´t know if it is because of the top sheet (less sensitive to incoming speed) or the sponge (1.9 instead of max). I really like this set up, however I feel I´m too attach to MX-S/P. Prime feels fast but controllable, one thing I notice is that I don´t "feel" the spin I generate (I believe is due the blade, more details ahead), however my coach says is really heavy, with Evolution series I feel the rubber grabbing the ball. With correct technique both rubbers generate excellent spin compared to Evolution. With this setup is easier for me to return serves, play against pimples, Select si very precise to position the ball and works really great to block heavy top spins and direct the ball to the oposite side. I would say both rubbers have excellent grip, Prime is faster, both produce high levels of spin (however I don´t feel the rubber grabbing the ball), they are fast, produce similar levels of spin than Evolution, I guess if you are a pro you could feel much more difference.

Set up 1:
The heavier set up. This was my main set up, I love MX-S so much that I´m thinking on using it on both sides, MX-P is great for blocking, but for me is too sensitive to incoming spin (compared to Select and MX-S). Is fast, spin is great but after a few weeks I found the ball slipping when playing BH topspin. MX-S is the one that generates more spin that any other of the rubbers and IO don´t feel loosing grip on my FH.

Set up 3:
For some reason I didn't like this combination that much: Prime on a composite blade feels better I thin I also loss some the precision when trying to position the ball.

Set up 4:
Very similar to set up 1, but lighter, more control and I don't feel difference in speed, it is also easier to lift the ball. I really like this combination because for some reason MX-S is easier to handle, since it has less catapult it requires a better position and stroke or the ball will hit the net, this is easier with Artic Wood instead of Eternity

Now this is the part that I´m conflicted about and I hope TTD guys will give light:

I'm thinking on using one of these combinations:

Artic Wood
MX-S 1.9-2.0
MX-S 1.9-2.0

or

Artic Wood
MX-S max
MX-S max

or

Nittaku Rutis Power
Aurus Prime 1.9
Aurus Select 1.9

or

Nittaku Rutis Power
MX-S 1.9-2.0
Aurus Prime or Select?? 1.9



I think I will not use MX-P anymore, I like MX-S, Prime and Select, but I don´t know what would be different between 1.9 o max, and as you can see there are multiple combinations that work better on different situations.


These is a review for Aurus Prime and Select, but had no idea what they are saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1x6Ih09Vfw

And this is for Artic Wood and MX-S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rNnMyW5h-c

Would be great to understand korean

Airoc
09-12-2017, 09:31 AM
but I don´t know what would be different between 1.9 o max

Only thing to keep in mind is that with the new generation rubbers (Prime, Select, andro Rasanter, Donic Bluestorm) max is even thicker than max on other rubbers, so the difference between Prime 1,9 and max will be bigger than between MX-S 1,9 and max.

From my experience, Prime max is a great rubber that rivals Evolution series, but not easy to handle. Since you said you like MX-S because it challenges you to achieve more precision in your strokes and has less catapult than MX-P, you could try Prime max, but since you like MX-S so much why not stick to it.

Also, Select max is a bouncy medium minus/soft rubber in max. It plays way softer than its nominal 45 degree sponge hardness. As a replacement for your MX-P, you might want to try Prime 1,9 on your backhand.

Blades, I don´t know either.

Fan Xu Long J.K Dima
09-13-2017, 03:04 AM
Today I had the chance to practice with MX-S and then with Prime and Select. I find out that I play better thanks to the new Aurus compared to Evolution. Aurus allows you to use speed and effect of your opponent to your advantage, if they throw you a fast and heavy topspin, no problem.. Select can handle it and you can redirect it to the opposite corner like if your are using your mind (Jedi rubbers jaja), what Prime? the best way I can try to explain it is: have you ever had that feeling of confidence when they serve a heavy ball to your backhand, you just step to the left and throw a lighting fast, parallel FH? That feeling of is Aurus Prime.

Prime and Select feel right for me at this moment. MX-S will become my second option.

As for blades, I can only say that Aurus feel better on Rutis Power compared to Eternity / Artic Wood. I think they work better on composite blades, maybe we will see it on the review?.

Fan Xu Long J.K Dima
09-13-2017, 03:05 AM
Thanks Airoc, excellent point about the sponge in these new rubbers!.

I will also try max.

ttmonster
09-13-2017, 04:19 AM
Is J. K. Jan Ove and Kreanga ? just curious ...

Thanks Airoc, excellent point about the sponge in these new rubbers!.

I will also try max.

Fan Xu Long J.K Dima
09-14-2017, 05:39 AM
Finally, someone got it right - JOW and KK.

I was watching their matches on Youtube when I created my account, such unique players each one of them, I would add Vladimir Samsonov. If they ever get motion captured and the digitally replaced by anything, you would still recognized them

Is J. K. Jan Ove and Kreanga ? just curious ...

chintanmashroo
09-21-2017, 06:59 AM
Looking forward to the reviewww

chintanmashroo
01-18-2018, 04:35 AM
Still waiting


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