PDA

View Full Version : Asian Cup 2017



TTLondon2012
09-12-2017, 11:57 AM
The Asian Cup begins this Week on the 15th September and commences on the 17 September 2017. The Asian Cup will be held in Ahmedabad, India with the top seed being Fan Zhendong.

Mens Singles Seeds:

Fan Zhendong
Lin Gaoyuan
Ho Kwan Kit
Wong Chun Ting
Harmeet Desai
Achanta Sharath Kamal
Noshad Alamiyan
Nima Alamian
Jun Mizutani
Koki Niwa
Lee Sangsu
Jeong Sangeun
Al-Abbad Abdulaziz
Padask Tanviriyavechakul
Chen Chien-An
Chuang Chih-Yuan

Womens Singles Seeds:

Liu Shiwen
Zhu Yuling
Doo Hoi Kem
Lee Ho Ching
Manika Batra
Neda Shahsavari
Kasumi Ishikawa
Miu Hirano
Yang Haeun
Suh Hyowon
Aia Mohamed
Feng Tianwei
Yu Mengyu
Suthasini Sawettabut
Chen Szu-Yu
Cheng I-Ching

We can use this Topic as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from the Asian Cup 2017!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-12-2017, 12:26 PM
No ma long no ding Ning.... no xu xin...

ajtatosmano2
09-12-2017, 01:00 PM
Two seeds per country. FZD will take the gold easily. But I am not so sure about the silver. LGY is strong, but the Japanese, Korean and Chinese Taipei players all have a chance against him. It will be interesting. I hope Niwa Koki will shine this time, I am waiting for the spectacular extremely risky shots.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-12-2017, 01:02 PM
Two seeds per country. FZD will take the gold easily. But I am not so sure about the silver. LGY is strong, but the Japanese, Korean and Chinese Taipei players all have a chance against him. It will be interesting. I hope Niwa Koki will shine this time, I am waiting for the spectacular extremely risky shots.

hasn't LGY some chance against FZD ?

yoass
09-12-2017, 01:04 PM
FZD will take the gold easily.

… for mindblowing values of ‘easily’, that is.

Ilia Minkin
09-12-2017, 01:50 PM
That will be a huge test for LGY.

UpSideDownCarl
09-12-2017, 02:30 PM
Everyone has good and bad days. If FZD is on, he is much better than everyone else. But, if he has a bad day and someone has a good day, we could have a surprise. I won't bet on it. But they play the games for a reason. :) Statistics don't play the games. :)

toanbeokt
09-12-2017, 03:42 PM
Can anybody tell me why the teams do not have their best players in this tournament? Is it held by ITTF?

Sali
09-12-2017, 03:47 PM
fzd is beyond of reach for anyone else besides ML. Of course bad day can happen but it usualy is in china superleague. I do not remember when last time FZD lost in international games to someone besides ML. Ok maybe he lost to XX of FB but they do not play here.
Of course important is the lineup. we do not know who probably he meets in final. LGY has the ranking 8 among this players so it is possible he will meet FZD or JM in second round.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-12-2017, 03:53 PM
no Harimoto :-(

rainneverever
09-12-2017, 07:02 PM
Can anybody tell me why the teams do not have their best players in this tournament? Is it held by ITTF?

Asian Cup is a qualification tournament for the World Cup. As World Champions, ML and DN are already qualified for the World Cup.
For Asian Cup, the Cup holder (XX 2016) and Asian Champion (FZD 2017) are qualified automatically. Up to 2 players are allowed from each association and substitution is allowed.

JesperStef
09-12-2017, 07:20 PM
Medalists from 2016:

14224

14225Photos courtesy of: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ittfworld

Players sorted according to World Ranking:

Men's Singles:
01) Fan Zhendong
02) Jun Mizutani
03) Wong Chun Ting
04) Koki Niwa
05) Lee Sangsu
06) Chuang Chih-Yuan
07) Lin Gaoyuan
08) Jeong Sangeun
09) Achanta Sharath Kamal
10) Chen Chien-An
11) Ho Kwan Kit
12) Noshad Alamiyan
13) Harmeet Desai
14) Nima Alamian
15) Padask Tanviriyavechakul
16) Al-Abbad Abdulaziz

Womens Singles:
01) Zhu Yuling
02) Liu Shiwen
03) Miu Hirano
04) Feng Tianwei
05) Kasumi Ishikawa
07) Yang Haeun
06) Cheng I-Ching
08) Suh Hyowon
09) Doo Hoi Kem
10) Yu Mengyu
11) Lee Ho Ching
12) Chen Szu-Yu
13) Suthasini Sawettabut
14) Manika Batra
15) Neda Shahsavari
16) Aia Mohamed

2016 Asian Cup thread:
https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?12950-Asian-Cup-2016&highlight=asian

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-12-2017, 11:36 PM
LI Xiaoxia got married. With a bit of makeup she looks even good. Don't be ever fooled by makeup guys

WorkerBee
09-13-2017, 12:26 AM
LI Xiaoxia got married. With a bit of makeup she looks even good. Don't be ever fooled by makeup guysIs this Li Xiaoxia? She looks quite attractive, especially without the number 3 bowl haircut.14226

TTHopeful
09-13-2017, 05:53 AM
Fan Zhendong will be focussed to win... he wants a world cup place!

langel
09-14-2017, 09:38 PM
I am Aslan!
But the cup is for FZD :cool:

xuxinpower
09-15-2017, 05:35 AM
Can we watch this live somewhere or ...?

Sergio Soh
09-15-2017, 05:47 AM
the live starts tmr where can we watch it ?

Gourav Acharya
09-15-2017, 06:24 AM
Fzd lost to Chen chein An first round in decider[emoji27]. Really upsetting. My coach has gone there to watch and just informed me about it.[emoji26]

Sent from my Redmi 3S using Tapatalk

Sergio Soh
09-15-2017, 07:07 AM
Fzd lost to Chen chein An first round in decider[emoji27]. Really upsetting. My coach has gone there to watch and just informed me about it.[emoji26]

Sent from my Redmi 3S using Tapatalk

Maybe FZD is just warming up and did not play in form

Gourav Acharya
09-15-2017, 07:21 AM
Maybe FZD is just warming up and did not play in formIsn't it a direct knock out?

Sent from my Redmi 3S using Tapatalk

ping fun
09-15-2017, 07:21 AM
FZD out????? How?? Why???

Gourav Acharya
09-15-2017, 07:22 AM
FZD out????? How?? Why???Even ittf has posted on Instagram, that Chen chien an upset fzd in first round winning 3-2

Sent from my Redmi 3S using Tapatalk

Julien Jo Bieganski
09-15-2017, 07:31 AM
He was down by 2 sets .. and finally lost 11-8 in the decider.
Niwa beats Ho Kwan Kit in the other match of the group

TTLondon2012
09-15-2017, 07:36 AM
It is a Group Stage 4 Players in each Group

Fan Zhendong
Chen Chien-An
Ho Kwan Kit
Koki Niwa

First 2 Players of each Group are coming in the next round

Sergio Soh
09-15-2017, 07:36 AM
Even ittf has posted on Instagram, that Chen chien an upset fzd in first round winning 3-2

Sent from my Redmi 3S using Tapatalk


but does that mean he is already OUT or he will still be playing. because this is a round robin

Julien Jo Bieganski
09-15-2017, 07:37 AM
4 players with Niwa

Sali
09-15-2017, 08:10 AM
Mizutani defeated Lin Gaoyuan - that is great!

xuxinpower
09-15-2017, 08:11 AM
He still has to play ho kwan kit and koki niwa. He has to beat them both to be qualified.

but does that mean he is already OUT or he will still be playing. because this is a round robin

Sali
09-15-2017, 08:11 AM
Last group is ridiculous I think only one top 50 player while in the other groups there is a big fight among top 20 players.

genrel001
09-15-2017, 08:23 AM
Anyone covering this on youtube?

TTLondon2012
09-15-2017, 08:25 AM
CCTV5 is broadcasting from tomorrow on

Sergio Soh
09-15-2017, 08:26 AM
He still has to play ho kwan kit and koki niwa. He has to beat them both to be qualified.

thank you

Sali
09-15-2017, 09:06 AM
I would love to see matches FZD-CCA and JM-LGY. I hope we can find them on YouTube later.

drunix80
09-15-2017, 09:12 AM
Mizutani defeated Lin Gaoyuan - that is great!

Shows why ML XX and ZJK still remain CNT's top choice

yuri.saldon
09-15-2017, 09:47 AM
Shows why ML XX and ZJK still remain CNT's top choiceI don't think xx and especially zjk are a better choice than fzd.

He's is being dominant for 1,5 year losing only to ml than one slippery that may not disqualified him is sufficient to qualificated as not reliable?

Sent from my 2014819 using Tapatalk

NextLevel
09-15-2017, 09:54 AM
It is a Group Stage 4 Players in each Group

Fan Zhendong
Chen Chien-An
Ho Kwan Kit
Koki Niwa

First 2 Players of each Group are coming in the next round

A group with 3 lefties and FZD. Shows you what TT can be like...

Sali
09-15-2017, 10:27 AM
Shows why ML XX and ZJK still remain CNT's top choice
I think JM can beat both XX and ZJK, he has already beaten XX and in current ZJK form it would be even easier.
Main choices for china now is ML and FZD, this players are very trustworthy. Of course everything can happen, but still I believe that FZD is going to win asian cup (even I do not like to). So they are thinking who can replace ZJK who is now playing like top 20 player and probably will not be better for longer period - just look what happen to Timo Boll when he got older, now he is in a good shape, but last years he had many ups and downs, but Germany do not have anybody else better then timo to replace him. About XX players already know how to play against him and he has suffered some defeats last year from nonchinese players, I do not remember when last time he beat ML or FZD, he can train a lot but his style is little bit outdated (LGL mentioned that). So china needs two more players to keep the world balance and have top 4 chinese players. That is why they are testing a lot of new players.

ping fun
09-15-2017, 10:29 AM
I don't think xx and especially zjk are a better choice than fzd.

He's is being dominant for 1,5 year losing only to ml than one slippery that may not disqualified him is sufficient to qualificated as not reliable?

Sent from my 2014819 using Tapatalk

Well actually he's not in the same level with china's golden generation . Lower than injured zhang or xu xin . Lee sang su defeated him 4-0 once which is not good for a player who will represent china in bigger tournments ( and maybe not)

NextLevel
09-15-2017, 10:31 AM
Shows why ML XX and ZJK still remain CNT's top choice

I don't think this is fair to FZD but that said, the group you listed is called the special generation for a reason. As dominant as China has been, these guys were considered special.

Sali
09-15-2017, 11:06 AM
Hirano Miu lost 0:3 to Zhu, maybe this is not an upset but not long ago Hirano beat her 4:0. I think chinese girls found out the way hot to beat Hirano and her serve.

Sergio Soh
09-15-2017, 11:31 AM
i think fzd is back ?

Sali
09-15-2017, 11:52 AM
He still has to play ho kwan kit and koki niwa. He has to beat them both to be qualified.

not necessary, there is possibility that Chen looses to Koki and Koki beats Ho. In that case you will have 3 players with 5 points. FZD is in a goods position because he has good ratio of won sets to the lost, but we will see in the end.

Sali
09-15-2017, 11:53 AM
JM just defeated Lee Sangsu 3:0, seems to be in a good shape

Astorix
09-15-2017, 12:12 PM
Where do you get your info from? Do you have a Link for Videos"?

Garrison
09-15-2017, 12:13 PM
Fan will spent some time in the basement before even thinking about challenging grand master Ma Long again. GZ to Chen. The group is very tight now, all but one match was 5 sets, If FZD wins 3-0 he is safe.

Sali
09-15-2017, 12:51 PM
Where do you get your info from? Do you have a Link for Videos"?

http://www.old.ittf.com/competitions/test/_groups_matches_1.asp?grp=&Event_Type=MSP&Competition_ID=2803
generaly you can check ittf website, there is no live scoring, but there are scores after match is finished.

Astorix
09-15-2017, 01:47 PM
Thanks

Sali
09-15-2017, 02:43 PM
Tomorrow ittf Facebook will broadcast matches. Women part is done, there are two upsets:
Hirano Miu and Feng Tianwei have to go home earlier then expected.

Gusmaidana
09-15-2017, 03:40 PM
The reglament says:
Twelve top players from Asia will be drawn into three groups (Group A, B and C) of 4players each. The four players from each region will form a group (Group D) to competein a “Continental Cup”.1st Stage: All four groups will play in a round-robin system.Winners and runners-up of Groups A, B and C will go directly to the 2nd Stage.3rd position players of Group A, B and C will join the winner of Group D toplay a single play-off match to determine the last two positions of 2nd Stage.2nd Stage: Single knock-out to determine the top 8 positions.ALL matches in stage 1 including the play-off matches shall be played best of five (5)games and all matches in stage 2 shall be best of seven (7) games.
Zone D is a kind of consolation group.

NextLevel
09-15-2017, 04:29 PM
Tomorrow ittf Facebook will broadcast matches. Women part is done, there are two upsets:
Hirano Miu and Feng Tianwei have to go home earlier then expected.

Humble pie...

NextLevel
09-15-2017, 04:36 PM
Mizutani's reward for winning his group is a match with Fan. Very unfortunate.

Sali
09-15-2017, 04:43 PM
Can anybody tell me how is that possible that FZD did not won the group:
Same points as Niwa, but sets ratio
Niwa: 7:5
FZD: 8:4
How does it work?????

drunix80
09-15-2017, 04:57 PM
I don't think this is fair to FZD but that said, the group you listed is called the special generation for a reason. As dominant as China has been, these guys were considered special.

Just to correct myself - was commenting about LGY and how he measures to ML XX FZD and ZJK. FZD is definitely up there. But not sure about LGY or LJK or others !!!

JesperStef
09-15-2017, 07:01 PM
Men's Singles:

Day 1 (Fri 15 September):

Group A:
1) Fan Zhendong 2:3 Chen Chien-An (11:13, 7:11, 11:6, 11:9, 8:11)
2) Koki Niwa 3:2 Ho Kwan Kit (11:8, 10:12, 11:3, 14:16, 11:4)
3) Fan Zhendong 3:1 Koki Niwa (11:8, 11:8, 8:11, 12:10)
4) Chen Chien-An 3:2 Ho Kwan Kit (9:11, 11:4, 7:11, 11:8, 11:5)
5) Koki Niwa 3:0 Chen Chien-An (13:11, 12:10, 11:4)
6) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Ho Kwan Kit (13:11, 16:14, 11:3)

Standings:
1) Koki Niwa (2:1, games 4:3)
2) Fan Zhendong (2:1, games 5:4)
3) Chen Chien-An (2:1, games 3:5)
4) Ho Kwan Kit (0:3)


Group B:
1) Wong Chun Ting 1:3 Jeong Sangeun (17:15, 9:11, 5:11, 9:11)
2) Chuang Chih-Yuan 3:1 Noshad Alamiyan (4:11, 14:12, 11:3, 11:7)
3) Wong Chun Ting 0:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (4:11, 3:11, 4:11)
4) Jeong Sangeun 3:2 Noshad Alamiyan (9:11, 12:10, 11:8, 9:11, 12:10)
5) Chuang Chih-Yuan 3:0 Jeong Sangeun (11:3, 11:9, 14:12)
6) Wong Chun Ting 2:3 Noshad Alamiyan (11:7, 5:11, 11:6, 10:12, 6:11)

Standings:
1) Chuang Chih-Yuan (3:0)
2) Jeong Sangeun (2:1)
3) Noshad Alamiyan (1:2)
4) Wong Chun Ting (0:3)


Group C:
1) Jun Mizutani 3:2 Lin Gaoyuan (9:11, 9:11, 11:6, 11:4, 11:9)
2) Lee Sangsu 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:5, 11:7, 11:9)
3) Jun Mizutani 3:0 Lee Sangsu (11:5, 11:8, 11:8)
4) Lin Gaoyuan 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:1, 11:6, 11:3)
5) Lee Sangsu 0:3 Lin Gaoyuan (9:11, 8:11, 9:11)
6) Jun Mizutani 3:1 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:5, 11:3, 8:11, 11:8)

Standings:
1) Jun Mizutani (3:0)
2) Lin Gaoyuan (2:1)
3) Lee Sangsu (1:2)
4) Achanta Sharath Kamal (0:3)


Group D (Continental Cup):
1) Harmeet Desai 2:3 Nima Alamian (6:11, 8:11, 11:8, 11:9, 10:12)
2) Padasak Tanviriyavechakul 2:3 Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (4:11, 8:11, 11:6, 11:9, 5:11)
3) Harmeet Desai 2:3 Padasak Tanviriyavechakul (11:5, 11:6, 4:11, 9:11, 4:11)
4) Nima Alamian 3:0 Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (11:5, 11:7, 11:7)
5) Padasak Tanviriyavechakul 2:3 Nima Alamian (11:8, 7:11, 2:11, 11:8, 6:11)
6) Harmeet Desai 3:0 Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (11:6, 12:10, 11:7)

Standings:
1) Nima Alamian (3:0)
2) Harmeet Desai (1:2, games 5:3)
3) Padasak Tanviriyavechakul (1:2, games 5:5)
4) Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (1:2, games 3:5)


Day 2 (Sat 16 September):

Challenge KO (A3, B3, C3 and D1):
Noshad Alamiyan (B3) vs Lee Sangsu (C3) (10:30)
Nima Alamian (D1) vs Chen Chien-An (A3) (10:30)


Quarter-finals:
Koki Niwa (A1) vs ?? (13:15)
Lin Gaoyuan (C2) vs Jeong Sangeun (B2) (12:30)
Jun Mizutani (C1) vs Fan Zhendong (A2) (12:30)
Chuang Chih-Yuan (B1) vs ?? (13:15)

JesperStef
09-15-2017, 07:39 PM
Women's Singles:

Day 1 (Fri 15 September):

Group A:
1) Zhu Yuling 3:0 Doo Hoi Kem (11:6, 11:1, 11:4)
2) Miu Hirano 3:1 Yu Mengyu (11:4, 7:11, 11:5, 11:9)
3) Zhu Yuling 3:0 Miu Hirano (11:6, 11:8, 11:8)
4) Doo Hoi Kem 3:0 Yu Mengyu (11:5, 11:8, 11:5)
5) Miu Hirano 2:3 Doo Hoi Kem (12:10, 6:11, 11:4, 4:11, 7:11)
6) Zhu Yuling 3:0 Yu Mengyu (11:6, 11:5, 11:6)

Standings:
1) Zhu Yuling (3:0)
2) Doo Hoi Kem (2:1)
3) Miu Hirano (1:2)
4) Yu Mengyu (0:3)


Group B:
1) Liu Shiwen 3:0 Yang Haeun (11:5, 11:6, 11:2)
2) Cheng I-Ching 3:1 Lee Ho Ching (9:11, 12:10, 11:8, 11:7)
3) Liu Shiwen 3:0 Cheng I-Ching (11:8, 11:5, 11:6)
4) Yang Haeun 2:3 Lee Ho Ching (4:11, 11:7, 11:9, 9:11, 9:11)
5) Cheng I-Ching 3:0 Yang Haeun (11:4, 11:5, 13:11)
6) Liu Shiwen 3:1 Lee Ho Ching (3:11, 11:5, 11:9, 11:9)

Standings:
1) Liu Shiwen (3:0)
2) Cheng I-Ching (2:1)
3) Lee Ho Ching (1:2)
4) Yang Haeun (0:3)


Group C:
1) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:2 Suh Hyowon (5:11, 13:11, 11:7, 6:11, 11:7)
2) Feng Tianwei 2:3 Chen Szu-Yu (11:6, 8:11, 9:11, 11:5, 9:11)
3) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:1 Feng Tianwei (12:10, 11:6, 3:11, 11:5)
4) Suh Hyowon 1:3 Chen Szu-Yu (11:6, 13:15, 14:16, 5:11)
5) Feng Tianwei 2:3 Suh Hyowon (8:11, 11:7, 11:7, 3:11, 10:12)
6) Kasumi Ishikawa 3:0 Chen Szu-Yu (11:6, 11:9, 11:9)

Standings:
1) Kasumi Ishikawa (3:0)
2) Chen Szu-Yu (2:1)
3) Suh Hyowon (1:2)
4) Feng Tianwei (0:3)


Group D (Continental Cup):
1) Suthasini Sawettabut 3:0 Aia Mohamed (11:1, 11:1, 11:4)
2) Manika Batra 3:0 Neda Shahsavari (11:5, 11:8, 11:6)
3) Suthasini Sawettabut 2:3 Manika Batra (8:11, 11:8, 11:8, 4:11, 8:11)
4) Aia Mohamed 0:3 Neda Shahsavari (5:11, 6:11, 9:11)
5) Manika Batra 3:0 Aia Mohamed (13:11, 11:8, 11:7)
6) Suthasini Sawettabut 3:0 Neda Shahsavari (11:9, 11:6, 11:9)

Standings:
1) Manika Batra (3:0)
2) Suthasini Sawettabut (2:1)
3) Neda Shahsavari (1:2)
4) Aia Mohamed (0:3)


Day 2 (Sat 16 September):

Challenge KO (A3, B3, C3 and D1):
Miu Hirano (A3) vs Manika Batra (D1) (10:00)
Lee Ho Ching (B3) vs Suh Hyowon (C3) (10:00)


Quarter-finals:
Zhu Yuling (A1) vs Cheng I-Ching (B2) (11:00)
Chen Szu-Yu (C2) vs ?? (11:45)
Kasumi Ishikawa (C1) vs Doo Hoi Kem (A2) (11:00)
Liu Shiwen (B1) vs ?? (11:45)

SFF_lib
09-15-2017, 07:42 PM
I think Wong Chun Ting is over. He is consistently losing.

Gutted Lee Sangsu is out. He did very well in the WTTC

Passionate about TT

JesperStef
09-15-2017, 07:48 PM
I think Wong Chun Ting is over. He is consistently losing.

Gutted Lee Sangsu is out. He did very well in the WTTC

Passionate about TT

Lee is not out! :)

He's playing Noshad Alamiyan for a place in the quarter-finals against Koki Niwa or Chuang Chih-Yuan. So I would say that he still has a pretty good chance of qualifying for the semi-finals...

JesperStef
09-15-2017, 08:00 PM
Can anybody tell me how is that possible that FZD did not won the group:
Same points as Niwa, but sets ratio
Niwa: 7:5
FZD: 8:4
How does it work?????

The problem here is that THREE players (Niwa, Fan and Chen) have the same number of wins (2).

In such a case, only the matches between these three players count when calculating the set (or game?) ratio. In this case it means that all matches against Ho Kwan Kit (0 wins in the group) doesn't count, and so the set ratios of Niwa (4:3), Fan (5:4) and Chen (3:5) decided the standings in the group.

I hope this makes sense? If not, let me know and I will give it another go :)

ping fun
09-15-2017, 08:06 PM
Men's Singles:

Day 1 (Fri 15 September):

Group A:
1) Fan Zhendong 2:3 Chen Chien-An (11:13, 7:11, 11:6, 11:9, 8:11)
2) Koki Niwa 3:2 Ho Kwan Kit (11:8, 10:12, 11:3, 14:16, 11:4)
3) Fan Zhendong 3:2 Koki Niwa (11:8, 11:8, 8:11, 12:10)
4) Chen Chien-An 3:2 Ho Kwan Kit (9:11, 11:4, 7:11, 11:8, 11:5)
5) Koki Niwa 3:0 Chen Chien-An (13:11, 12:10, 11:4)
6) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Ho Kwan Kit (13:11, 16:14, 11:3)

Standings:
1) Koki Niwa (2:1, games 5:3)
2) Fan Zhendong (2:1, games 5:5)
3) Chen Chien-An (2:1, games 3:5)
4) Ho Kwan Kit (0:3)


Group B:
1) Wong Chun Ting 1:3 Jeong Sangeun (17:15, 9:11, 5:11, 9:11)
2) Chuang Chih-Yuan 3:1 Noshad Alamiyan (4:11, 14:12, 11:3, 11:7)
3) Wong Chun Ting 0:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (4:11, 3:11, 4:11)
4) Jeong Sangeun 3:2 Noshad Alamiyan (9:11, 12:10, 11:8, 9:11, 12:10)
5) Chuang Chih-Yuan 3:0 Jeong Sangeun (11:3, 11:9, 14:12)
6) Wong Chun Ting 2:3 Noshad Alamiyan (11:7, 5:11, 11:6, 10:12, 6:11)

Standings:
1) Chuang Chih-Yuan (3:0)
2) Jeong Sangeun (2:1)
3) Noshad Alamiyan (1:2)
4) Wong Chun Ting (0:3)


Group C:
1) Jun Mizutani 3:2 Lin Gaoyuan (9:11, 9:11, 11:6, 11:4, 11:9)
2) Lee Sangsu 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:5, 11:7, 11:9)
3) Jun Mizutani 3:0 Lee Sangsu (11:5, 11:8, 11:8)
4) Lin Gaoyuan 3:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:1, 11:6, 11:3)
5) Lee Sangsu 0:3 Lin Gaoyuan (9:11, 8:11, 9:11)
6) Jun Mizutani 3:1 Achanta Sharath Kamal (11:5, 11:3, 8:11, 11:8)

Standings:
1) Jun Mizutani (3:0)
2) Lin Gaoyuan (2:1)
3) Lee Sangsu (1:2)
4) Achanta Sharath Kamal (0:3)


Group D (Continental Cup):
1) Harmeet Desai 2:3 Nima Alamian (6:11, 8:11, 11:8, 11:9, 10:12)
2) Padasak Tanviriyavechakul 2:3 Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (4:11, 8:11, 11:6, 11:9, 5:11)
3) Harmeet Desai 2:3 Padasak Tanviriyavechakul (11:5, 11:6, 4:11, 9:11, 4:11)
4) Nima Alamian 3:0 Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (11:5, 11:7, 11:7)
5) Padasak Tanviriyavechakul 2:3 Nima Alamian (11:8, 7:11, 2:11, 11:8, 6:11)
6) Harmeet Desai 3:0 Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (11:6, 12:10, 11:7)

Standings:
1) Nima Alamian (3:0)
2) Harmeet Desai (1:2, games 5:3)
3) Padasak Tanviriyavechakul (1:2, games 5:5)
4) Abdulaziz Al-Abbad (1:2, games 3:5)


Day 2 (Sat 16 September):

Challenge KO (A3, B3, C3 and D1):
Noshad Alamiyan (B3) vs Lee Sangsu (C3) (10:30)
Nima Alamian (D1) vs Chen Chien-An (A3) (10:30)


Quarter-finals:
Koki Niwa (A1) vs ?? (13:15)
Lin Gaoyuan (C2) vs Jeong Sangeun (B2) (12:30)
Jun Mizutani (C1) vs Fan Zhendong (A2) (12:30)
Chuang Chih-Yuan (B1) vs ?? (13:15)



Hureeyyyyyyyyy . Bravo to nima alamiyan of iran . It's great to see him in next round . His brother noshad had a good performance too . Well done bros

NextLevel
09-15-2017, 09:32 PM
Chen Chien An is not out either. Noshad Alamiyan is the unlucky one.

Miu Hirano still has a chance. Hopefully, she realizes she has to work even harder.

Sergio Soh
09-16-2017, 03:39 AM
where is the live start and i can watch it

JesperStef
09-16-2017, 05:04 AM
where is the live start and i can watch it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSn2C8MtgeA

TTHopeful
09-16-2017, 05:45 AM
Scores currently??

JesperStef
09-16-2017, 06:38 AM
Day 2 Schedule (Sat 16 September):

Women's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16, Best of 5 games):
Miu Hirano 3:1 Manika Batra (11:7,8:11, 11:8, 11:6)
Lee Ho Ching 1:3 Suh Hyowon (9:11,13:11, 9:11, 9:11)


Quarter-finals:

11:00 (GMT+5:30)
T1 Zhu Yuling 4:0 Cheng I-Ching (11:5,11:3, 11:2, 11:3)
T2 Kasumi Ishikawa vs Doo Hoi Kem

11:45 (GMT+5:30)
T1 Chen Szu-Yu vs Miu Hirano
T2 Liu Shiwen vs Suh Hyowon


Men's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16, Best of 5 games):
Noshad Alamiyan 2:3 Lee Sangsu (4:11,12:10, 13:11, 2:11, 10:12)
Nima Alamian 1:3 Chen Chien-An (5:11,11:4, 8:11, 7:11)


Quarter-finals:

12:30 (GMT+5:30)
Jun Mizutani vs Fan Zhendong
Lin Gaoyuan vs Jeong Sangeun

13:15 (GMT+5:30)
T1 Koki Niwa vs Chen Chien-An
T2 Chuang Chih-Yuan vs Lee Sangsu

ping fun
09-16-2017, 06:49 AM
Day 2 Schedule (Sat 16 September):

Women's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16, Best of 5 games):
Miu Hirano 3:1 Manika Batra (11:7,8:11, 11:8, 11:6)
Lee Ho Ching 1:3 Suh Hyowon (9:11,13:11, 9:11, 9:11)


Quarter-finals:

11:00 (GMT+5:30)
T1 Zhu Yuling 4:0 Cheng I-Ching (11:5,11:3, 11:2, 11:3)
T2 Kasumi Ishikawa vs Doo Hoi Kem

11:45 (GMT+5:30)
T1 Chen Szu-Yu vs Miu Hirano
T2 Liu Shiwen vs Suh Hyowon


Men's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16, Best of 5 games):
Noshad Alamiyan 2:3 Lee Sangsu (4:11,12:10, 13:11, 2:11, 10:12)
Nima Alamian 1:3 Chen Chien-An (5:11,11:4, 8:11, 7:11)


Quarter-finals:

12:30 (GMT+5:30)
Jun Mizutani vs Fan Zhendong
Lin Gaoyuan vs Jeong Sangeun

13:15 (GMT+5:30)
T1 Koki Niwa vs Chen Chien-An
T2 Chuang Chih-Yuan vs Lee Sangsu




what a pity ...... Noshad was beating Lee sangsu . lucky lee ...... . Nima has improved a lot ... bravo bros ...

Really wanna see the game between liu shiwen and seo hyowon . where can i watch??

v100ev
09-16-2017, 08:27 AM
It's a pity that ittf didn't show the second table..
I would love to watch the match of Koki Niwa, or the replay of Liu Shiwen against Seo..

Sali
09-16-2017, 08:34 AM
Men's Singles:

Day 1 (Fri 15 September):

Group A:
1) Fan Zhendong 2:3 Chen Chien-An (11:13, 7:11, 11:6, 11:9, 8:11)
2) Koki Niwa 3:2 Ho Kwan Kit (11:8, 10:12, 11:3, 14:16, 11:4)
3) Fan Zhendong 3:1 Koki Niwa (11:8, 11:8, 8:11, 12:10)
4) Chen Chien-An 3:2 Ho Kwan Kit (9:11, 11:4, 7:11, 11:8, 11:5)
5) Koki Niwa 3:0 Chen Chien-An (13:11, 12:10, 11:4)
6) Fan Zhendong 3:0 Ho Kwan Kit (13:11, 16:14, 11:3)
Standings:
1) Koki Niwa (2:1, games 4:3)
2) Fan Zhendong (2:1, games 5:4)
3) Chen Chien-An (2:1, games 3:5)
4) Ho Kwan Kit (0:3)


How did you counted games? Niwa won 7 games and lost 5 and FZD won 8 games and lot 4

JesperStef
09-16-2017, 09:10 AM
How did you counted games? Niwa won 7 games and lost 5 and FZD won 8 games and lot 4

The matches against Ho Kwan Kit doesn't count - only the matches between Niwa, Fan and Chen. So Niwa has 1:3 + 3:0 = 4:3, Fan has 2:3 + 3:1 = 5:4 and Chen has 3:2 + 0:3 = 3:5.

Niwa finishes first because 4:3 (1.33) is better than 5:4 (1.25). Personally, I find this rule quite stupid (using "ratio" and not just the game score/ difference), but that's the way it is... :confused:

TTLondon2012
09-16-2017, 10:28 AM
Fan Zhendong vs Jun Mizutani (1/4 Final)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seaSa6z3bx4

Sali
09-16-2017, 10:30 AM
The matches against Ho Kwan Kit doesn't count - only the matches between Niwa, Fan and Chen. So Niwa has 1:3 + 3:0 = 4:3, Fan has 2:3 + 3:1 = 5:4 and Chen has 3:2 + 0:3 = 3:5.

Niwa finishes first because 4:3 (1.33) is better than 5:4 (1.25). Personally, I find this rule quite stupid (using "ratio" and not just the game score/ difference), but that's the way it is... :confused:

ahh this is the way... aslo I think it is stupid. If we look at the ranking we have 3 players:
FZD- should won all the matches to be safe, but he lost to lower ranked player, so he played below his rank
koki- played his usual, he won with the lower ranked players and lost to higher one, se second spot is what it should be
Chen - should win only with Ho who is lower ranked, but he won with the best ranked player, so it is something beyond expectations and he should gain more points with that
In that siutation in my opinion the final spots should be:
1. Chen
2. Koki
3. FZD
And now the player who should reach the final (mizutani) has to fight for 5th place and 2 players who he beat are fighting now for final.

NextLevel
09-16-2017, 12:43 PM
The matches against Ho Kwan Kit doesn't count - only the matches between Niwa, Fan and Chen. So Niwa has 1:3 + 3:0 = 4:3, Fan has 2:3 + 3:1 = 5:4 and Chen has 3:2 + 0:3 = 3:5.

Niwa finishes first because 4:3 (1.33) is better than 5:4 (1.25). Personally, I find this rule quite stupid (using "ratio" and not just the game score/ difference), but that's the way it is... :confused:

It's just a mathematical way of rewarding a 3-0 win and 1-3 loss over a 3-1 win an 2-3 loss. Think about it, it is not as "stupid" as it seems. The ratio is a short way of getting the same result.

JesperStef
09-16-2017, 01:08 PM
It's just a mathematical way of rewarding a 3-0 win and 1-3 loss over a 3-1 win an 2-3 loss. Think about it, it is not as "stupid" as it seems. The ratio is a short way of getting the same result.

Maybe "stupid" is not the correct word to describe this.

But I have to admit that I can't understand WHY a 3-0 win/1-3 loss should be better than a 3-1 win/2-3 loss? If you have any great arguments for that, please let me know? :confused:

Just because a rule makes sense in a mathematical way, doesn't mean that it's fair - and really I think that's the case here. But if you don't - no problem. We can just agree to disagree :o

NextLevel
09-16-2017, 01:22 PM
Maybe "stupid" is not the correct word to describe this.

But I have to admit that I can't understand WHY a 3-0 win/1-3 loss should be better than a 3-1 win/2-3 loss? If you have any great arguments for that, please let me know? :confused:

Just because a rule makes sense in a mathematical way, doesn't mean that it's fair - and really I think that's the case here. But if you don't - no problem. We can just agree to disagree :o

Getting the same result in fewer games is more efficient. If you don't agree, that is fine. But the math is about the efficiency. It is not about the math.

JesperStef
09-16-2017, 01:38 PM
Getting the same result in fewer games is more efficient. If you don't agree, that is fine. But the math is about the efficiency. It is not about the math.

Makes no sense to me whatsoever, so let's just enjoy the rest of the weekend :D

BTW, as a coach and player I really enjoy your postings here - as well as in other forums. So please, keep up the good work!

TTLondon2012
09-16-2017, 01:58 PM
Lin Gaoyuan vs Chen Chien-An (1/2 Final)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK5-AIYIhXY

NextLevel
09-16-2017, 02:18 PM
I am now 95% sure that LGY lost to JM on purpose. Just kidding. But the silver lining of being on opposite sides of the draw is great.

ping fun
09-16-2017, 02:18 PM
What was the results??? Who r in semis???

NextLevel
09-16-2017, 02:32 PM
FZD and LGY in Finals. LSW and ZYL. The usual.

JesperStef
09-16-2017, 02:34 PM
Day 2 (Sat 16 September):

Men's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16):
Noshad Alamiyan 2:3 Lee Sangsu (4:11, 12:10, 13:11, 2:11, 10:12)
Nima Alamian 1:3 Chen Chien-An (5:11, 11:4, 8:11, 7:11)

Quarter-finals:
Koki Niwa 2:4 Chen Chien-An (11:7, 7:11, 6:11, 11:3, 11:13, 11:13)
Lin Gaoyuan 4:1 Jeong Sangeun (6:11, 11:9, 11:6, 11:6, 11:5)
Jun Mizutani 2:4 Fan Zhendong (8:11, 13:11, 14:16, 5:11, 8:11)
Lee Sangsu 4:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (11:6, 11:7, 9:11, 11:7, 9:11, 7:11, 11:9)

Positions 5-8:
Koki Niwa 3:4 Jeong Sangeun (11:6, 11:9, 8:11, 11:7, 11:13, 11:13, 8:11)
Jun Mizutani 4:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (8:11, 11:7, 9:11, 6:11, 11:5, 11:6, 13:11)

Semi-finals:
Chen Chien-An 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan (5:11, 10:12, 13:15, 7:11)
Fan Zhendong 4:0 Lee Sangsu (11:5, 11:9, 11:8, 11:7)


Women's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16):
Miu Hirano 3:1 Manika Batra (11:7, 8:11, 11:8, 11:6)
Lee Ho Ching 1:3 Suh Hyowon (9:11, 13:11, 9:11, 9:11)

Quarter-finals:
Zhu Yuling 4:0 Cheng I-Ching (11:5, 11:3, 11:2, 11:3)
Miu Hirano 4:3 Chen Szu-Yu (11:13, 11:9, 8:11, 11:9, 9:11, 11:6, 11:3)
Kasumi Ishikawa 4:0 Doo Hoi Kem (11:9, 12:10, 14:12, 14:12)
Suh Hyowon 3:4 Liu Shiwen (4:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 1:11, 11:8, 3:11)

Positions 5-8:
Cheng I-Ching 3:4 Chen Szu-Yu (6:11, 4:11, 8:11, 11:3, 11:5, 11:2, 9:11)
Doo Hoi Kem 2:4 Suh Hyowon (10:12, 6:11, 7:11, 11:9, 11:6, 6:11)

Semi-finals:
Zhu Yuling 4:0 Miu Hirano (13:11, 11:8, 11:2, 12:10)
Kasumi Ishikawa 2:4 Liu Shiwen (13:15, 3:11, 11:9, 11:13, 11:9, 6:11)

TTLondon2012
09-16-2017, 03:29 PM
Fan Zhendong vs Lee Sangsu (1/2 Final)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdf2JhN-KYY

drunix80
09-16-2017, 03:38 PM
Day 2 (Sat 16 September):

Men's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16):
Noshad Alamiyan 2:3 Lee Sangsu (4:11, 12:10, 13:11, 2:11, 10:12)
Nima Alamian 1:3 Chen Chien-An (5:11, 11:4, 8:11, 7:11)

Quarter-finals:
Koki Niwa 2:4 Chen Chien-An (11:7, 7:11, 6:11, 11:3, 11:13, 11:13)
Lin Gaoyuan 4:1 Jeong Sangeun (6:11, 11:9, 11:6, 11:6, 11:5)
Jun Mizutani 2:4 Fan Zhendong (8:11, 13:11, 14:16, 5:11, 8:11)
Lee Sangsu 4:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (11:6, 11:7, 9:11, 11:7, 9:11, 7:11, 11:9)

Positions 5-8:
Koki Niwa 3:4 Jeong Sangeun (11:6, 11:9, 8:11, 11:7, 11:13, 11:13, 8:11)
Jun Mizutani 4:3 Chuang Chih-Yuan (8:11, 11:7, 9:11, 6:11, 11:5, 11:6, 13:11)

Semi-finals:
Chen Chien-An 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan (5:11, 10:12, 13:15, 7:11)
Fan Zhendong 4:0 Lee Sangsu (11:5, 11:9, 11:8, 11:7)


Women's Singles:

Challenge KO (Round of 16):
Miu Hirano 3:1 Manika Batra (11:7, 8:11, 11:8, 11:6)
Lee Ho Ching 1:3 Suh Hyowon (9:11, 13:11, 9:11, 9:11)

Quarter-finals:
Zhu Yuling 4:0 Cheng I-Ching (11:5, 11:3, 11:2, 11:3)
Miu Hirano 4:3 Chen Szu-Yu (11:13, 11:9, 8:11, 11:9, 9:11, 11:6, 11:3)
Kasumi Ishikawa 4:0 Doo Hoi Kem (11:9, 12:10, 14:12, 14:12)
Suh Hyowon 3:4 Liu Shiwen (4:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 1:11, 11:8, 3:11)

Positions 5-8:
Cheng I-Ching 3:4 Chen Szu-Yu (6:11, 4:11, 8:11, 11:3, 11:5, 11:2, 9:11)
Doo Hoi Kem 2:4 Suh Hyowon (10:12, 6:11, 7:11, 11:9, 11:6, 6:11)

Semi-finals:
Zhu Yuling 4:0 Miu Hirano (13:11, 11:8, 11:2, 12:10)
Kasumi Ishikawa 2:4 Liu Shiwen (13:15, 3:11, 11:9, 11:13, 11:9, 6:11)



Miu hirano seems to have hit a rock against the chinese.

yuri.saldon
09-16-2017, 09:01 PM
I think the fzd X mizutani match was great.

Mizutani was very offensive until third set, playing at the same level as fzd. Actually that surprises me.

But in the fourth and fifth he seemed to much passive, maybe it was a fzd tactic or some mental weakenes but he had a drop in performance.

I would be pleasure to see a deep analysis of that match.

Sent from my 2014819 using Tapatalk

SFF_lib
09-16-2017, 11:05 PM
I think the fzd X mizutani match was great.

Mizutani was very offensive until third set, playing at the same level as fzd. Actually that surprises me.

But in the fourth and fifth he seemed to much passive, maybe it was a fzd tactic or some mental weakenes but he had a drop in performance.

I would be pleasure to see a deep analysis of that match.

Sent from my 2014819 using TapatalkIn the first two games FZD made more unforced errors than usual. His banana flicks tend to be slower and higher than usual. That gave Mizutani more chances to attack.

Not sure why. FZD took a bit longer to warm up in this game.

Passionate about TT

JesperStef
09-16-2017, 11:20 PM
Miu hirano seems to have hit a rock against the chinese.

Possibly the same rock that ALL non-Chinese players hits (almost) ALL of the time? :p

Maybe many people/fans just had too high hopes for her after her amazing performance at the Asian Championships?

She's still very young - and a strong player, so she will probably beat some more Chinese players at some point. But I still wouldn't pick her as favourite (50/50 at most) in a match against any of the 10-15 best Chinese players.

janus
09-17-2017, 01:16 AM
[FULL HD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx6sGd_Mpls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIm142dG6Qk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2oqXrppG9c

janus
09-17-2017, 01:20 AM
[FULL HD]

https://youtu.be/gzqvS5XhJ-4
https://youtu.be/-q2bFjr5qqI
https://youtu.be/jneBxblRrH4
https://youtu.be/klRV8O44ufM

bachikho
09-17-2017, 02:43 AM
what time is final match plz

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-17-2017, 03:32 AM
Kasumi scoring 2 against a Chinese. Wow so unusual

drunix80
09-17-2017, 04:12 AM
Kasumi scoring 2 against a Chinese. Wow so unusual

Kasum vs LSW was a high intensity game. Can make out from LSW's body language that she was under pressure. Kasumi did quite well for a change !!

chintanmashroo
09-17-2017, 05:21 AM
Today are the finals;
Posting a pic with FanZD and a small training session vid with Zhu Yulin

14245

bachikho
09-17-2017, 05:24 AM
what time please

chintanmashroo
09-17-2017, 05:39 AM
At the stadium, they mentioned that the matches will start at around 10:00AM IST; but, not sure when they will start the broadcast.
You will be able to see the broadcast when its live on YouTube here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD12n5bt-hY (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ckyA_A3MfXUa0ttxMoIZw)

TTHopeful
09-17-2017, 10:26 AM
When is the final ttd?

fxri
09-17-2017, 10:49 AM
now live on youtube
https://youtu.be/-PaEcEHiEFc

ajtatosmano2
09-17-2017, 01:02 PM
I have never seen FZD doing so many unforced errors.

drunix80
09-17-2017, 01:08 PM
FZD knocked out by LGY. Looked completely out of sorts. I think still recovering from the chinese nat games. Or has FZD lost his steam ??

yuri.saldon
09-17-2017, 01:08 PM
Lin gaoyuan won 4-2
He played very well but fzd made a lot of unforced errors.
I've never see him missing so many bananas flicks like today

Sent from my 2014819 using Tapatalk

Giangt
09-17-2017, 01:09 PM
Spoiler alert for those who haven't watched the match........


Congrats LGY! Well played.

TTHopeful
09-17-2017, 01:09 PM
New player on the block!!!!

JesperStef
09-17-2017, 01:12 PM
Results from Day 3 (Sun 17 September):

Men's Singles:

Positions 7-8:
Koki Niwa 3:4 Chuang Chih-Yuan (11:8, 11:4, 11:6, 8:11, 5:11, 10:12, 8:11)

Positions 5-6:
Jeong Sangeun 1:4 Jun Mizutani (11:9, 9:11, 7:11, 8:11, 9:11)

Positions 3-4:
Chen Chien-An 1:4 Lee Sangsu (7:11, 7:11, 12:10, 3:11, 10:12)

Final:
Lin Gaoyuan 4:2 Fan Zhendong (11:7, 7:11, 11:4, 9:11, 11:5, 11:5)

Final Standings:
1) Lin Gaoyuan (CHN)
2) Fan Zhendong (CHN)
3) Lee Sangsu (KOR)
4) Chen Chien-An (TPE)
5) Jun Mizutani (JPN)
6) Jeong Sangeun (KOR)
7) Chuang Chih-Yuan (TPE)
8) Koki Niwa (JPN)

14246

Women's Singles:

Positions 7-8:
Cheng I-Ching 1:4 Doo Hoi Kem (13:15, 12:10, 8:11, 8:11, 4:11)

Positions 5-6:
Chen Szu-Yu 4:2 Suh Hyowon (11:5, 11:6, 9:11, 9:11, 11:8, 11:6)

Positions 3-4:
Miu Hirano 3:4 Kasumi Ishikawa (11:9, 11:7, 9:11, 8:11, 3:11, 11:9, 8:11)

Final:
Zhu Yuling 4:3 Liu Shiwen (6:11, 11:9, 11:8, 10:12, 11:7, 11:13, 11:6)

Final Standings:
1) Zhu Yuling (CHN)
2) Liu Shiwen (CHN)
3) Kasumi Ishikawa (JPN)
4) Miu Hirano (JPN)
5) Chen Szu-Yu (TPE)
6) Suh Hyowon (KOR)
7) Doo Hoi Kem (HKG)
8) Cheng I-Ching (TPE)

14247
Photos courtesy of: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ittfworld

TTHopeful
09-17-2017, 01:15 PM
Winner goes to World Cup? How does it work?

vik
09-17-2017, 01:15 PM
LGY almost did Sf wttc just bad luck edge ball.He beat ML on national games.So no question of skills but about his head. He is faster than others.

fxri
09-17-2017, 01:27 PM
Fzd lost, is that mean he is not qualified for world cup?

kevinjeremia
09-17-2017, 01:29 PM
lin's tactic so good against fzd

jamesmith
09-17-2017, 01:36 PM
China wants a new face in the world cup, that could be why Lin won. China can have the power fix the result. They do that often

ping fun
09-17-2017, 01:49 PM
Fzd wassnt prepared well . He was beaten by CCA too . His level is absolutely higher than LGY

TTLondon2012
09-17-2017, 01:59 PM
Fan Zhendong vs Lin Gaoyuan (Final)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTk9i-XTSY

RidTheKid
09-17-2017, 02:15 PM
Fzd is too one-dimensional and Lin is a smart player who capitalize on this.

drunix80
09-17-2017, 02:40 PM
Fzd is too one-dimensional and Lin is a smart player who capitalize on this.

Saw Hirano vs Kasumi for 3rd place which Hirano lost. Both FZD and Hirano have only one plan - attack the ball off the bounce . Once opponents find a way into their games they have no plan B and no creativity to do something out of the box.

JesperStef
09-17-2017, 03:00 PM
Saw Hirano vs Kasumi for 3rd place which Hirano lost. Both FZD and Hirano have only one plan - attack the ball off the bounce . Once opponents find a way into their games they have no plan B and no creativity to do something out of the box.

Considering the win-loss ratio of Fan Zhendong over the last few years, this may not be QUITE as easy as you make it seem? ;-)

drunix80
09-17-2017, 03:16 PM
Considering the win-loss ratio of Fan Zhendong over the last few years, this may not be QUITE as easy as you make it seem? ;-)

You are right :-) FZD is amazing. May be almost unbeatable outside CNT. His force is overwhelming for most people (Lee Sangsu can tell us about that ). But honestly I feel his losses against ML in most of the finals is due to the fact that he becomes uni dimensional at times. But that is part of his learning curve. ML too went through the same phase before he became the bad ass that he is today.

janus
09-17-2017, 03:23 PM
[English/Full HD] (live stream version, the first 4 points are missing)

https://youtu.be/RtyEgQukCAs

JesperStef
09-17-2017, 04:01 PM
You are right :-) FZD is amazing. May be almost unbeatable outside CNT. His force is overwhelming for most people (Lee Sangsu can tell us about that ). But honestly I feel his losses against ML in most of the finals is due to the fact that he becomes uni dimensional at times. But that is part of his learning curve. ML too went through the same phase before he became the bad ass that he is today.

I pretty much agree with that. But in this case, it might also just be that he was still tired after playing an absurd amount of matches at the recent Chinese National Games. Also, I sometimes get a sense that the main goal for the Chinese players at "minor" events such as this is not to lose against any non-Chinese? So in a final like this (against one of their teammates), the players might not fight as hard as they would at the "major" tournaments?

And speaking of one-dimensional play and creativity/variations, I noticed that Fan at times changed his usual service position to serve from the forehand side. He might have done this before, but not much - at least as far as I can remember?

Could be a sign that he's working on adding more variations to his game? :confused:

RidTheKid
09-17-2017, 04:17 PM
Yes Fzd plays a big amount of tt minutes but he's only 20 years old and a world class athlete. When you're 20 you recharge very fast normally and to be trained as well as Fzd is I don't believe it's an issue.

Lin has caused problems for many great players, ML as well, so I don't think it's a coincidence that he won this final.

Lin's bh off the bounce is simply insane, a true weapon for the future opponents to look out for.

Yes, Fzd changed his serve position because Lin is left handed and wanted to change things up.

And about whether Fzd use a Viscaria or not - I think this match once and for all settles that issue: 100% Viscaria. Listen to the sounds of both players when they crack those egg shells, both blades sound identical. More so - you can't get that sound from an all wood blade.


I pretty much agree with that. But in this case, it might also just be that he was still tired after playing an absurd amount of matches at the recent Chinese National Games. Also, I sometimes get a sense that the main goal for the Chinese players at "minor" events such as this is not to lose against any non-Chinese? So in a final like this (against one of their teammates), the players might not fight as hard as they would at the "major" tournaments?

And speaking of one-dimensional play and creativity/variations, I noticed that Fan at times changed his usual service position to serve from the forehand side. He might have done this before, but not much - at least as far as I can remember?

Could be a sign that he's working on adding more variations to his game? :confused:

janus
09-17-2017, 04:51 PM
# Upset!! [English/Full HD]

https://youtu.be/JOCKE11fH0E

Trismegistus
09-17-2017, 06:20 PM
I just saw that FZD lost to CCA in the group stage. I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but this is FZD's first loss to a non-Chinese player in 3 YEARS (last loss was to Chen Feng and Li Hu at Asian Games 2014). Not sure, but this might be the 2nd longest such streak ever, after Ma Long's streak of 4.5 years which ended this year (World Cup 2012 group stage to Asian Championships 2017).
Crazy stuff.

tropical
09-17-2017, 08:01 PM
LCY is a very good TT player. He almost (and should have beaten) beat XX in game 7 after leading 10-5 during the Olympics. He needs to develop mental toughness and FZD does, too. They both are still very young now and in couple years will be mature and strong both in skill and mentally. Not sure how the world can handle these Chinese alter ML and XX.

janus
09-17-2017, 08:38 PM
# Men's Singles - 3rd place/bronze [Full HD/Chinese]
(*) 1st and 2nd set are not transmitted from CCTV-5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vt4rrwyt4

janus
09-17-2017, 11:58 PM
# Women's Singles - 3rd place/bronze [Full HD/Chinese]
(*) sets 4, 5, 6, 7 (1-3 not transmitted from cctv-5)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myq_iJYyNl0

janus
09-17-2017, 11:59 PM
# Women's Singles - Final [Chinese / Full HD | CCTV-5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWBDwWzcEFc

janus
09-18-2017, 12:00 AM
# Men's Singles - Final [Chinese / Full HD | CCTV-5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR2m_Rl5l68

janus
09-18-2017, 12:04 AM
# LIST OF VIDEOS ::




2017 ASIAN CUP [FULL HD] (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbdXhTbmweToWTLyzXk9mGdbLLLD9jQxv)

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-18-2017, 12:23 AM
I just saw that FZD lost to CCA in the group stage. I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but this is FZD's first loss to a non-Chinese player in 3 YEARS (last loss was to Chen Feng and Li Hu at Asian Games 2014). Not sure, but this might be the 2nd longest such streak ever, after Ma Long's streak of 4.5 years which ended this year (World Cup 2012 group stage to Asian Championships 2017).
Crazy stuff.

CCA is Chinese.

NextLevel
09-18-2017, 12:44 AM
CCA is Chinese.


Yes. Both Chinese Taipei and Hong Kong are part of China.

Trismegistus
09-18-2017, 01:55 AM
CCA is Chinese.

I think people understand what I mean. Perhaps "first loss in 3 years to a player who does not play for China/CNT" would be better phrasing?

tropical
09-18-2017, 05:24 AM
Majority of Taiwanese do not consider themselves Chinese mainland. They are Chinese Taiwanese.

Andy44
09-18-2017, 06:02 AM
FZD looked exhausted. His footwork wasn't as great as usual. Especially in the last two games he was sometimes out of position, reaching for short balls, and seemed to be trying to finish points early. I think that's why he made so many uncharacteristic mistakes.

UpSideDownCarl
09-18-2017, 11:52 AM
Everyone has a bad day. I think FZD had a bad day. Then again, LGY had a good day. So, perhaps that combination is part of what we saw.

yuri.saldon
09-18-2017, 04:56 PM
Everyone has a bad day. I think FZD had a bad day. Then again, LGY had a good day. So, perhaps that combination is part of what we saw.I think the same

But overall fzd prove to be a lot better than lgy.

Do you guys know the win rate between both?

Sent from my 2014819 using Tapatalk

drunix80
09-18-2017, 05:28 PM
After closely watching SF between FZD and Sangsu again, it looked like FZD was not fully focused and motivated even during that match even if he won it quite comfortably He rather showed lack of interest at times (ZJK style ). Many speculated he might be tired during the final but these players practice 8-9 hours everyday and a couple of matches a day should not make any difference to a beast like FZD. If it is not injury related it might be mental thing like some disciplinary actions in the back of his head or just pissed of losing to ML again in Chinese nat games.

janus
09-18-2017, 09:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_vRxbdF6qI

janus
09-18-2017, 10:33 PM
# Updated!!




2017 ASIAN CUP [FULL HD] (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbdXhTbmweToWTLyzXk9mGdbLLLD9jQxv&disable_polymer=true)

janus
09-19-2017, 03:25 PM
# Useful Memory! (for comparison)

2012 World Junior Table Tennis Championships, Dec 9-16, Hyderabad IND
# Junior Boy's Singles Final :: FAN Zhendong Vs LIN Gaoyuan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm1Nqaceyuc

TTFrenzy
09-19-2017, 09:58 PM
LGY was tired also. they both had to endure chinese national games . They were both fit and well as far as I know cause I didnt catch up with the TT news lately so correct me if FZD was injured, LGY is definitely underrated and people probably like FZD more because of his previous results and expect him to be the next ML but I think this is not exactly the case with such strong competitors after him especially the "younger" generation coming up (LDS ZK LJK). LGY is definitely gonna "unexpectedly shock" us in the future what a versatile player

NextLevel
09-19-2017, 10:07 PM
LGY was tired also. they both had to endure chinese national games . They were both fit and well as far as I know cause I didnt catch up with the TT news lately so correct me if FZD was injured, LGY is definitely underrated and people probably like FZD more because of his previous results and expect him to be the next ML but I think this is not exactly the case with such strong competitors after him especially the "younger" generation coming up (LDS ZK LJK). LGY is definitely gonna "unexpectedly shock" us in the future what a versatile player

LGY didn't play the singles event at National games because he didn't qualify - basically, FZD almost played every round of every event he was eligible for at a high level (he only went out "early" in XD). You can be very fit, but you are still human - rest matters and wear and tear happens over time if you don't get enough rest. Give FZD his due.