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Garrison
10-04-2017, 09:14 PM
All chinese top stars besides Ma Long and Ding Ning are in the entries list for german open! (http://www.old.ittf.com/ittf_tournaments/ittf_entries_web5.asp?Gender=M&Tour_ID=2738&)

Zhang Jike, Xu Xin, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Yan An, Zhou Yu are listed. Do you think it is a privilege given to ML and Ding Ning of not having to show off?

Phew, looks like at least our worst nightmares of players not playing any tournaments in 2017 anymore is not coming true.

ajtatosmano2
10-04-2017, 09:44 PM
And it seems they changed their views about letting players to tournaments. Not just the top players, but nearly all of their promising stars are coming: Zhou Kai, Xue Fei, Liu Dingshuo, Yu Ziyang, Zhou Qihao...Wang Chuqin is missing, maybe due to his loss against Alexandre Cassin.

ouchouch
10-04-2017, 10:28 PM
Wang Chuqin is missing because he is selected to play in the Asian Continental Qualification Event for the Youth Olympic Games 2018. The qualification event will be in India, from Nov 3 to Nov 5.

This means CNT sees Wang Chuqin as the rising star. Only one male player per NA is allowed to play in the Youth OG. The male player selected by CNT to play in Youth OG 2014 is Fan Zhendong.

TTHopeful
10-04-2017, 10:29 PM
Very good news this... wonder why captain isnt playing

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-04-2017, 11:02 PM
very good news !!! eager to see what Harimoto can do against a top Chinese player now

Baal
10-05-2017, 01:26 AM
Very good news this... wonder why captain isnt playing

Injury maybe?

rainneverever
10-05-2017, 02:28 AM
And it seems they changed their views about letting players to tournaments. Not just the top players, but nearly all of their promising stars are coming: Zhou Kai, Xue Fei, Liu Dingshuo, Yu Ziyang, Zhou Qihao...Wang Chuqin is missing, maybe due to his loss against Alexandre Cassin.

As a matter of fact, Xue Fei, Liu Dingshuo and Zhou Qihao will only play U21.

I was about to make a thread to discuss about the new role that CTTA is playing now. They made announcements of who will play German Open and who will play World Cup on their website, which is quite unusual as there was no such announcement for Czech Open, Austrian Open or WTTC earlier this year. Without head coaches of CNT, is CTTA taking over the duty for player selection or is it just for transparency?
German Open announcement
http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2017/1002/159735.html
World Cup announcement
http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2017/1002/159736.html

There is also a leaked list from TT/Badminton center of who will play German Open and Swedish Open before the CTTA announcement. ML, FB, Liang Jingkun and WCQ were on that list but they will not play German Open for now. Will they play Swedish Open instead? As the deadline of Swedish Open is approaching, we can expect another CTTA announcement. Strangely, Ding Ning was not on the leaked list and she was pulled off World Cup due to "injury" around Sep 29th while ITTF confirmed her attendance on Sep 26th.
https://www.ittf.com/2017/09/26/ding-ning-great-legend-immortality-moment-history-awaits-markham/

Ding Ning wrote on her Weibo on Oct 2nd that she has injuries and wants to get recovered before attending major tournaments. However, she was seen training all these days. What made her and CTTA confirm the attendance before Sep 26 and then change the mind? We will not know. One thing we know for sure is that as she will not play World Cup, German Open, Swedish Open and ITTF Grand Finals, she will not play any international tournament for the rest of the year and her #1 world ranking will be folded from Nov.

Since ML will not play German Open, he will not be qualified for ITTF Grand Finals this year. The qualifications of FZD, XX, FB depend on whether they will play Swedish Open. LGY will be qualified as long as he finishes playing German Open. Liang Jingkun may also have a chance as ML, YA, Jun Mizutani who have high points will not play in Grand Finals.

tropical
10-05-2017, 03:13 AM
My theory is that ML was assuming all the responsibility for the boycott so he'd suffer the heaviest punishment so that the others (FZD and XX) only had light punishment. When I tried to escape from the communists 40 years ago and unfortunately got caught, my cousin took all responsibility so the commie gave him 4 years in prison while we the minors only got couple months.

drunix80
10-05-2017, 03:57 AM
very good news !!! eager to see what Harimoto can do against a top Chinese player now
Harimoto vs ZJK would be great !!

kirua18
10-05-2017, 05:02 AM
Stop theory. Ma Long will play world cup in two weeks. If they want, chinese could replace by another player.

Also, best chinese played lots of competitions (super league, trials, chinese championship, etc) + hard training, so it's not surprising that players miss an open.

ILoveTT
10-05-2017, 07:15 AM
Can Harimoto get through this lot of Chinese... going to be a great event indeed!

yoass
10-05-2017, 07:20 AM
The three spotlight celebs are a bit hard too purge away, but the three coaches - are they accidental roadkill? What’s the buzz in China (‘zomg cute zjk baby pix with kittens!!!!!!’?)

ouchouch
10-05-2017, 02:37 PM
This theory does not work. CTTA has announced that ML will play the world cup. If GSA really wants to punish ML, he will be replaced by someone else in the world cup.

My theory is that ML was assuming all the responsibility for the boycott so he'd suffer the heaviest punishment so that the others (FZD and XX) only had light punishment. When I tried to escape from the communists 40 years ago and unfortunately got caught, my cousin took all responsibility so the commie gave him 4 years in prison while we the minors only got couple months.

ping fun
10-05-2017, 02:51 PM
But it seems zhang jike's participation in german open hasnt been certain and is in waiting list . I dont know he will play or not . His ranking is dropping month by month due to not participating in any open :( so there's no grand final .

tropical
10-05-2017, 03:28 PM
This theory does not work. CTTA has announced that ML will play the world cup. If GSA really wants to punish ML, he will be replaced by someone else in the world cup.

I will need to see it to believe it.

TTHopeful
10-05-2017, 09:10 PM
Can Harimoto get through this lot of Chinese... going to be a great event indeed!

I would love to see Harimoto vs Zhang Jike..... now that would be an interesting one :cool:

ping fun
10-06-2017, 06:33 PM
I would love to see Harimoto vs Zhang Jike..... now that would be an interesting one :cool:

But that wouldnt be fun to his fans :D cause harimoto is well prepared nowadays and zhang jike not .

rainneverever
10-12-2017, 08:59 PM
CNT announced the list for Swedish Open which follows German Open.
MS: XX, FZD, LGY, FB, LJK, Liu Dingshuo (wl:Zhou Yu, YA)
WS: DN, LSW, ZYL, CM, Chen Xingtong, Gu Yuting and 8 on wl
It is ironic that DN will not play World Cup due to "injury" while she will play Swedish Open two weeks later. ML will not play any international tournament after World Cup. XX, FZD, LGY, FB will play in Grand Finals. Will there be a new winner since ML will not play? Or will XX get his third Grand Finals?

ajtatosmano2
10-12-2017, 09:11 PM
CNT announced the list for Swedish Open which follows German Open.
MS: XX, FZD, LGY, FB, LJK, Liu Dingshuo (wl:Zhou Yu, YA)
WS: DN, LSW, ZYL, CM, Chen Xingtong, Gu Yuting and 8 on wl
It is ironic that DN will not play World Cup due to "injury" while she will play Swedish Open two weeks later. ML will not play any international tournament after World Cup. XX, FZD, LGY, FB will play in Grand Finals. Will there be a new winner since ML will not play? Or will XX get his third Grand Finals?

Two weeks might matter a lot.

rainneverever
10-12-2017, 09:21 PM
Two weeks might matter a lot.
When CTTA told ITTF that DN was "injured" and had to withdraw, ITTF extended the deadline for DN but CTTA declined right away. It does not sound like she could recover so quickly if the injury really prevented her from playing WC.

ajtatosmano2
10-12-2017, 10:19 PM
When CTTA told ITTF that DN was "injured" and had to withdraw, ITTF extended the deadline for DN but CTTA declined right away. It does not sound like she could recover so quickly if the injury really prevented her from playing WC.

Ok. I am not a doctor and I don't know what's up in the CNT. Maybe her therapist said she can't play on World Cup, which is a high pressure and demanding tournament, but she can play on German open with 80%.
Maybe her coach said she can't play on the World Cup without enough training (due to her injury), but German Open isn't that important and she can get her form till that.

yoass
10-13-2017, 05:41 AM
When CTTA told ITTF that DN was "injured" and had to withdraw, ITTF extended the deadline for DN but CTTA declined right away. It does not sound like she could recover so quickly if the injury really prevented her from playing WC.

Is there any reason, Rain, to think there's a political backstory to this? (Ding Ning is hotpotting with Liu Guoliang? Noooooo....)

rainneverever
10-14-2017, 06:29 PM
Is there any reason, Rain, to think there's a political backstory to this? (Ding Ning is hotpotting with Liu Guoliang? Noooooo....)

Let me first explain the qualification of World Cup. In recent years, World Champion is qualified for World Cup for two years and Asia Cup champion and runner are qualified (others qualifiers are determined by their world ranking and continental Cup result; up to 2 players per association). If CNT wants someone NOT to play in World Cup, they can decline the invitation before the confirmation deadline and the next CNT player will be invited.
For example, as 2015 WTTC champions, DN and ML are qualified for 2015 and 2016 World Cup; as 2017 WTTC champions, they are also qualified for 2017 and 2018 World Cup. In 2015, LSW was the runner-up of 2015 Asia Cup and ZYL the third place; XX the champion and FZD the runner-up. According to the qualification rule, DN & LSW and ML & XX were invited; later CNT withdrew DN and XX, so LSW & ZYL and ML & FZD played. In 2016, LSW was the champion of 2016 Asia Cup and LXX the runner-up; XX the champion and ZJK the runner-up. According to the qualification rule, DN & LSW and ML & XX were invited; DN and ML withdrew first (LXX got retired and no news about ZJK would play), so only LSW and XX would go; later LSW withdrew so no CNT player played in 2016 women World Cup; JM withdrew and FZD was invited for 2016 men World Cup. In 2017, ZYL was the champion of 2017 Asia Cup and LSW the runner-up; LGY the champion and FZD the runner-up. According to the qualification rule, DN & ZYL and ML & LGY were invited; CNT withdrew DN, ZYL & LSW and ML & LGY will play.

Therefore, it is NOT unusual at all that the first two CNT qualifiers for World Cup may withdraw actively or passively; however, DN's case this year is odd because the withdrawal is too sudden after DN is CONFIRMED (CNT can decline her attendance at the first place as the 2015 case) and there is no report of her recent "injury" after winning National Games WS champion in early Sep. Also it does not make much sense to let her play in Swedish Open but not German Open just a few days before if she recovers from the "injury", especially CNT does not limit the number of players for ITTF tours now. DN is the captain of women's team and highly regarded after winning National Games by mainstream media; and she will attend 19th National Congress of CCP. I don't see why she is and shall be affected by LGL or KLH. I would suspect that the management of CNT without head coaches is in a mess now and there is no reasonable planning for a senior player like DN.

Trismegistus
10-14-2017, 06:43 PM
Yes, as rainneverever says, withdrawals due to "injury" are the norm so as to avoid the same player or the same two players playing the World Cup year after year and give other players a chance. This happened in 2010 (ML was qualified but ZJK played), 2012 (ZJK was qualified but ML played), and in several more recent years in which I can't remember the particulars off the top of my head. Consider the dilemmas that the Chinese National team is in: only 2 players can play, and the system for qualification into many top tournaments relies on past performance in top tournaments. The problem is that this can create a self-sustaining cycle in which players who are on top at a given time continue to get more and more chances at the expense of other CNT players, thus sweeping a large number of major tournaments without other CNT players even having a chance to participate. With only 2 spots available for CNT players, there really has to be some method of mitigating this problem.

Of course, it is also possible in any given case that a withdrawal due to "injury" really is a withdrawal due to actual injury. And it should also go without saying that there is nothing dishonorable to the system of citing injury as a reason for player withdrawal. Actually, what is dishonorable (IMO) is the ITTF's system of restrictions and criteria for qualification.

TTHopeful
10-15-2017, 06:17 AM
Any news on Liu Guoliang Rain?