Butterfly balls

Hurricane_boss · Oct 17, 2017

Hey all! I was just wondering, what is the difference between the Black labelled Butterfly G40+ ball and the pink one?

Garrison · Oct 17, 2017

The black ones are training balls while the pink ones are 3 star balls (authorized for official matches).

Xylit · Oct 17, 2017

The black ones are made of master quality plastic.

thomas.pong · Oct 17, 2017

Their new ball the A40+ is coming out by the end of the year (November 21st in Japan) and will be used at the 2018 ITTF World Championships. I'm assuming they're made of ABS plastic like Nittaku Premium, similar material to all the new improved generation of plastic balls (DHS D40+, Stiga Perform 40+...).

Hurricane_boss · Oct 17, 2017

thomas.pong said:
Their new ball the A40+ is coming out by the end of the year (November 21st in Japan) and will be used at the 2018 ITTF World Championships. I'm assuming they're made of ABS plastic like Nittaku Premium, similar material to all the new improved generation of plastic balls (DHS D40+, Stiga Perform 40+...).

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Woah! That's so cool! Can I get these now though?

langel · Oct 17, 2017

It would be good if the new chinese A40+ are better than the german G40+, as for me the G40+ is amongst the worst plastic balls ever.

langel · Oct 17, 2017

Xylit said:
The black ones are made of master quality plastic.

I don't care about the quality of the plastic. This ball has a terrible sound and tears off like its made of a recicled plastics.
The factory is perfect in making balls for deodorant roll-on.

thomas.pong · Oct 17, 2017

langel said:
It would be good if the new chinese A40+ are better than the german G40+, as for me the G40+ is amongst the worst plastic balls ever.

I think that's Butterfly intent there, for the A40+ ball to be their best plastic ball and similar to Nittaku Premium. They are choosing it to be the ball for the World Championships, whereas the G40+ ball was never selected for a major tournament.

I wouldn't call the G40+ the worst plastic ball, but it's not that good indeed, just like all the plastic balls that preceded the ABS plastic balls. I personally hate the XSF and thought the G40+ was not as bad

langel · Oct 17, 2017

G40+ has been declared as an official ball for some championships, but withdrawn soon after..... For a reason.
I appreciate your opinion, as any others. Everybody has the free will to choose and decide what makes him happy.
For me all XuShaofa balls, no matter of stamp on them, are the best plastics.
The Robots in my club, with no emotion, say the same.

thomas.pong · Oct 18, 2017

Hurricane_boss said:
Woah! That's so cool! Can I get these now though?

Looks like we're going to have to wait until at least the end of the year. Not sure when Butterfly Europe will start stocking them but definitely sometime after Japan (Nov. 21). I doubt it'll be quite as good or better than the Nittaku Premium, but let us hope!

In the meantime, I'd play with either the DHS D40+ (almost as good as the Nittaku but 5x cheaper), or the Nittaku which is by far the best plastic ball available right now and the standard that all the new and upcoming ABS balls are based and will be judged on. I wouldn't bother playing with any of the current Butterfly balls, G40+ included.

Baal · Oct 18, 2017

G40 is horrible.

I am glad they will have an ABS ball.

Der_Echte · Oct 18, 2017

Baal said:
G40 is horrible.

I am glad they will have an ABS ball.

Baal flat out refuses to QUANTIFY horrible... since he already did it several times across several forums. Anyone reading his posts over the last few years should have a clear picture of the plastic ball scene.

Personally, I didn't think the G40+ was in the HORRIBLE range (think Joola 40+ Seamed balls). Yes, the bounce sounded like a revved-up 90 yr old grandma on CRACK doing her loud thing each bounce, but they oddly kept spin and really kicked off the table. In topspin to topspin rallies, you had to speed up your timing some. Oddly, the bounce from an underspin at the table was consistent enough. You could expect where it would go, so that area was OK.

thomas.pong · Oct 18, 2017

Der_Echte said:
Baal flat out refuses to QUANTIFY horrible... since he already did it several times across several forums. Anyone reading his posts over the last few years should have a clear picture of the plastic ball scene.

Personally, I didn't think the G40+ was in the HORRIBLE range (think Joola 40+ Seamed balls). Yes, the bounce sounded like a revved-up 90 yr old grandma on CRACK doing her loud thing each bounce, but they oddly kept spin and really kicked off the table. In topspin to topspin rallies, you had to speed up your timing some. Oddly, the bounce from an underspin at the table was consistent enough. You could expect where it would go, so that area was OK.

I feel the same way. XSF and Joola 40+ are the worst to me. Bad memories of the LA Open? Think I saw you there!

Der_Echte · Oct 18, 2017

Thomas... I waz there... Only dude cheering for Koo S K in Korean.

Ball of tourney was Jolla Flash... a XSF seamless ball that is 9 Out of 10 times an egg and more fragile than one.

All in all, it was way better than their 40+ ball, which was an abomination to the sport of tt.

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Der_Echte · Oct 18, 2017

I gained a few points... they used Joola Flash... so did 2016 NA Teams in DC... I gained big time there. I can play with Flash ball acceptable enough... but other car made balls are better.

Every tourney with Jolla 40+ I LOST points big time. I must have done 4 of them. Every time a bad day. Ball never bounced right for shyt

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thomas.pong · Oct 18, 2017

Der_Echte said:
Thomas... I waz there... Only dude cheering for Koo S K in Korean.

Ball of tourney was Jolla Flash... a XSF seamless ball that is 9 Out of 10 times an egg and more fragile than one.

All in all, it was way better than their 40+ ball, which was an abomination to the sport of tt.

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If the Flash is bad enough already, I can't imagine of their previous 40+ ball plays... I'm not even going to try lol

I noticed a guy decked out in Nexy at the LA Open, it wasn't until you posted pics on the forum a few days ago that I realized it was you otherwise I would have said hi!

Der_Echte · Oct 18, 2017

Yup. That is me... the Nexy Pimp. I require myself to wear Nexy shoes, Nexy shorts, shirt, carry around 2 or 3 Nexy bags and 12 Nexy bats at all times every time I go to a club.

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thomas.pong · Oct 18, 2017

Der_Echte said:
Yup. That is me... the Nexy Pimp. I require myself to wear Nexy shoes, Nexy shorts, shirt, carry around 2 or 3 Nexy bags and 12 Nexy bats at all times every time I go to a club.

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Haha, well if I see you next year maybe you can let me give the Kim Jung Hoon and Karis rubbers a try!

TTHopeful · Oct 18, 2017

I really hope the A40 is an improvement. The G40 is so terribly bad!

Der_Echte · Oct 19, 2017

thomas.pong said:
Haha, well if I see you next year maybe you can let me give the Kim Jung Hoon and Karis rubbers a try!

I'll be in San Diego in Dec, then on to US Open. Maybe I pop into LA before I hit SD... Maybe you pop into San Diego's famous garage or SDTTA...

You may or may not like Karis right away, it is simply linear control, ditto for KJH, just a well rounded wood blade that fits my game. Tell you what though, Karis handles incoming spin real well, gives you confidence.

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