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TableTennisDaily
11-13-2017, 01:44 PM
NOW LIVE: Men's FINAL: Fan Zhendong vs Xu Xin! Live streaming here: https://tv.ittf.com/livestream/swedish-open-table-1/1026950

What a great few weeks of table tennis! The World Cup saw incredible scenes with Timo Boll defeating Ma Long. In the German Open last week we saw further shocks, with all the Chinese being eliminated in the men's singles, with Dimitrij Ovtcharov causing a sensational upset over Fan Zhendong! The World Tour circuit now moves onto the Swedish Open, what surprises will we have this time around?. This prestigious event will take place in Stockholm, beginning on the 13th November and concluding on the 19th November.

Main Draw

Men's Singles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/MS-Main-Draw-1-SWE-WT.pdf)
Women's Singles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/WS-Main-Draw-1-SWE-WT-1.pdf)
Men's Doubles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/MD-Main-Draw-1-SWE-WT.pdf)
Women's Doubles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/WD-Main-Draw-1-SWE-WT.pdf)


Men's Singles Seeds

China's Fan Zhendong, has entered the German Open as the #1 seed.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/images/fanzhendongsweden2017.jpg
Fan Zhendong the no.1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Fan Zhendong
02) Xu Xin
03) Koki Niwa
04) Lin Gaoyuan
05) Wong Chun Ting
06) Kenta Matsudaira
07) Fang Bo
08) Chuang Chih Yuan
09) Lee Sang Su
10) Yan An
11) Tomokazu Harimoto
12) Marcos Freitas
13) Kristian Karlsson
14) Yuya Oshima
15) Emmanuel Lebesson
16) Mattias Karlsson


Women's Singles Seeds

China's Ding Ning enters the Swedish Open as the number 1 seed.

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/images/dingningsweden2017.jpg
China's Ding Ning enters the German Open as the #1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Ding Ning
02) Zhu Yuling
03) Chen Meng
04) Kasumi Ishikawa
05) Miu Hirano
06) Mima Ito
07) Cheng I-Ching
08) Han Ying
09) Hitomi Sato
10) Honoka Hashimoto
11) Hina Hayata
12) Jihee Jeon
13) Xiaona Shan
14) Doo Hoi Kem
15) Matilda Ekholm
16) Fen Li


For full player entries click here. (http://entries.alfaweb.gr/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=8&Itemid=119&resetfilters=0&clearordering=0&clearfilters=0)

A fantastic event to follow, be sure to get involved on the TTD discussions and join us in the live chat in the ITTF Live Streaming! The TableTennisDaily team are at the Swedish Open with Team STIGA, (https://www.facebook.com/stigatabletennis/) we will keep you posted throughout the week. Stay tuned!

We can use this thread as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from this spectacular World Tour event! What are your predictions from each event.

Ilia Minkin
11-13-2017, 02:06 PM
A great chance for Fang Bo to step forward.

NextLevel
11-13-2017, 02:12 PM
CNT must be relieved that Timo and Dima are not around ;);):p:p

But oh, no, Lee Sang Su...

Garrison
11-13-2017, 02:44 PM
Some good players are around but no real top event without the germans :(


;D

TTHopeful
11-13-2017, 03:27 PM
Can Harimoto take our a Chinese... also Koki Niwa could be a threat. Hope to see Freitas do well. Or Karlsson

Giangt
11-13-2017, 03:30 PM
CNT must be relieved that Timo and Dima are not around ;);):p:p

But oh, no, Lee Sang Su... They heard M.Maze is back... (flash back to Hao Shuai loss)

drunix80
11-13-2017, 05:03 PM
Looks like B grade event. No top players around. Only medicore CNT team.

Suga D
11-13-2017, 05:09 PM
Zhang JiKe not participating?

JesperStef
11-13-2017, 05:58 PM
They heard M.Maze is back... (flash back to Hao Shuai loss)

Maze was indeed going to play the tournament - according to the Danish federation website not because he was making an international come back, but because he wanted to help the Danish team's ranking.

He has now withdrawn from the event :(. Maybe because he found out about the new World ranking system for 2018...? :o

ttmonster
11-13-2017, 06:54 PM
I see Zhang Jike in the entries list Suga ...

http://entries.alfaweb.gr/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=8&Itemid=119&resetfilters=0&clearordering=0&clearfilters=0



Zhang JiKe not participating?

Giangt
11-13-2017, 07:14 PM
Maze was indeed going to play the tournament - according to the Danish federation website not because he was making an international come back, but because he wanted to help the Danish team's ranking.

He has now withdrawn from the event :(. Maybe because he found out about the new World ranking system for 2018...? :oThat is what I heard, but major bommer that he withdraw from the event. Perhaps he saw that Anton Kallberg was participating as well and realized that he couldn't win the tournament. ;)

rainneverever
11-13-2017, 08:10 PM
This is CNT entries list. FZD, XX, LGY, FB and YA are seeds. ZY, LJK, Liu Dingshuo are playing groups. Yu Ziyang got cancelled and all the other three on WL for U21 did not get the spot.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabletennisdaily.com%2Fforum%2Fcache.php%3Fimg%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fww1.sinaimg.cn%252Flarge%252F0060lm7Tly1flh5c9tetaj30x70d5gm1.jpg

Suga D
11-13-2017, 08:42 PM
I see Zhang Jike in the entries list Suga ...

http://entries.alfaweb.gr/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=8&Itemid=119&resetfilters=0&clearordering=0&clearfilters=0
Thanks, ttmonster. You're right, but he's neither on the seeding list nor on rain's list.
:(


This is CNT entries list. FZD, XX, LGY, FB and YA are seeds. ZY, LJK, Liu Dingshuo are playing groups. Yu Ziyang got cancelled and all the other three on WL for U21 did not get the spot.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabletennisdaily.com%2Fforum%2Fcache.php%3Fimg%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fww1.sinaimg.cn%252Flarge%252F0060lm7Tly1flh5c9tetaj30x70d5gm1.jpg

rainneverever
11-13-2017, 08:48 PM
Thanks, ttmonster. You're right, but he's neither on the seeding list nor on rain's list.
:(

I used the link ttmonster provided to get the full list. Choose country/gender/tournament and you can see all the details.

TTHopeful
11-14-2017, 11:15 AM
Whos watching T2? Truls on top lf zhou yuu

JesperStef
11-14-2017, 08:32 PM
Seeded players out from Qualification Groups (14 November 2017):

Men's Singles:

#09 Ricardo Walther 3:4 Simon Berglund (-7,8,-7,9,-6,9,-13)
#12 Gao Ning 1:4 Tom Jarvis (-11,-9,-10,8,-3)
#24 Liam Pitchford 3:4 Park Jeongwoo (9,-7,9,-8,-6,11,-8)
#28 Noshad Alamiyan 3:4 Romain Lorentz (4,9,-8,-8,-9,10,-10)
#31 Joao Geraldo 2:4 Michal Obeslo (-9,7,-10,-9,9,-4)
#32 Anton Källberg 1:4 Andrew Baggaley (9,-8,-5,-7,-10)
#34 Kenta Tazoe 2:4 Pavel Sirucek (-7,-9,-8,12,8,-9)
#37 Mizuki Oikawa 1:4 Darko Jorgic (-6,7,-10,-8,-8)
#39 Harmeet Desai 1:4 Tomas Tregler (-5,11,-8,-9,-6)
#40 Ahmet Li 2:4 Asuka Sakai (-8,-7,6,-5,5,-7)
#41 Sathiyan Gnanasekaran 1:4 Liu Dingshuo (-8,5,-2,-8,-15)
#42 Nima Alamian 3:4 Zhai Yujia, DEN (10,-9,9,-7,12,-9,-7)
#43 Lam Siu Hang 3:4 Kirill Gerassimenko (2,11,-6,-5,-5,8,-5)
#44 Jon Persson 2:4 Can Akkuzu (6,-4,6,-6,-7,-4)
#45 Antoine Hachard 3:4 Han Chuanxi, POL (5,-9,9,6,-7,-12,-4)
#46 Tonin Ryuzaki 0:4 Jens Lundqvist (-11,-9,-8,-3)


Women's Singles:

#11 Saki Shibata 0:4 Sun Mingyang (-10,-8,-9,-7)
#13 Maki Shiomi 2:4 Marie Migot (-4,6,-4,-5,7,-12)
#19 Ni Xia Lian 3:4 Miyu Nagasaki (8,8,9,-5,-3,-9,-6)
#20 Bernadette Szocs 3:4 Miyuu Kihara (8,7,-10,-11,7,-10,-7)
#21 Zhang Mo 2:4 Mitsuho Kimura (-12,-7,-9,5,6,-6)
#25 Britt Eerland 0:4 Zhang Rui (-6,-7,-4,-12)
#26 Ng Wing Nam 2:4 Li Jiayi (9,9,-8,-7,-6,-12)
#28 Polina Mikhailova 2:4 Maria Xiao (-4,-8,-5,9,5,-9)
#30 Huang Yi-Hua 0:4 Li Xiaodan (-6,-6,-6,-8)


CNT losses so far:

#24 Viktoria Pavlovich 4:1 Wang Yidi (-7,4,10,6,12)

JesperStef
11-14-2017, 08:47 PM
11 CNT players are through to the preliminary stage tomorrow!

Men's Singles

Liang Jingkun vs (Romain Lorentz or Darko Jorgic)
Zhou Yu vs (Robert Gardos or Han Chaunxi, POL)
Liu Dingshuo vs Park Jeongwoo (next round: vs Simon Berglund)


Women's Singles

Gu Yuting vs Adriana Diaz
Li Xiaodan vs Zeng Jian
Zhang Qiang vs Suh Hyowon
Chen Ke vs Yang Haeun
Li Jiayi vs Chen Szu-Yu
Zhang Rui vs Yu Fu
Chen Xingtong vs Viktoria Pavlovich
Sun Mingyang vs Suthasini Sawettabut

Do you think that they will all make it to the main draw? Or will there be more "CNT casualties" already? :confused:

NextLevel
11-14-2017, 08:50 PM
Zhang Qiang should lose unless she is very strong vs defense.

Li Jiayi can lose as well but that is lower.

The rest should be safe. Sawettabutt has the talent but not the composure or experience.

TTHopeful
11-15-2017, 09:08 AM
Jarvis beat Gao!!

Fabian
11-15-2017, 01:18 PM
On T3 Fang Bo practicing :)

Fabian
11-15-2017, 03:35 PM
Zhou Yu trailing 0-1 vs Robert Gardos and the umpires are faulting his service! :o

https://tv.ittf.com/livestream/swedish-open-table-4/1029375

Trismegistus
11-15-2017, 03:56 PM
Didn't see anyone mention this, but Darko Jorgic did very well, beat Liang Jingkun 4-2

drunix80
11-15-2017, 04:52 PM
Didn't see anyone mention this, but Darko Jorgic did very well, beat Liang Jingkun 4-2

Poor chinese. They need to send some to training camps in Europe.

drunix80
11-15-2017, 05:00 PM
Zhou Yu won 4:1 .

Dan
11-15-2017, 06:49 PM
Wow what a great day of table tennis! During the prelim stage the atmosphere is really intense as players are all giving their all to get into the main draw. Exciting matches and a lot of upsets. One of China's top players Liang Jingkun is out!

Will report tomorrow with training videos, vlogs and more :)

JesperStef
11-15-2017, 07:23 PM
Results from Day 3 - Preliminary Rounds (Wed 15 November 2017):

Men's Singles

Preliminary Rounds - Round of 64:

#34 Pavel Sirucek 4:1 Andrew Baggaley (9, 9, -5, 9, 9)
Michal Obeslo 4:2 Kim Minseok #33 (-9, -5, 9, 7, 8, 11)
#35 Kim Donghyun 4:0 Liao Cheng-Ting #30 (7, 7, 9, 4)
#36 Tomislav Pucar 4:2 Quentin Robinot #29 (10, -7, 9, 8, -5, 6)
Darko Jorgic 4:1 Romain Lorentz (-9, 6, 6, 7, 10)
#27 Wang Yang 4:1 Soumyajit Ghosh #38 (6, 6, 5, -6, 9)
#26 Ho Kwan Kit 4:2 Tomas Tregler (9, -9, 8, -10, 7, 11)
Asuka Sakai 4:3 Cho Seungmin #25 (4, -11, -11, 5, -9, 4, 7)

Liu Dingshuo 4:1 Park Jeongwoo (4, -8, 11, 9, 6)
Zhai Yujia 4:3 Jiang Tianyi #23 (-5, -12, -5, 6, 8, 7, 6)
Kirill Gerassimenko 4:2 Jakub Dyjas #22 (10, -9, 5, -8, 6, 5)
#21 Jang Woojin 4:0 Can Akkuzu (9, 8, 8, 9)
#20 Robert Gardos 4:0 Han Chuanxi (9, 14, 3, 9)
Jens Lundqvist 4:2 Patrick Franziska #19 (-8, 12, 10, -4, 10, 5)
#18 Masataka Morizono 4:3 Abdel-Kader Salifou #47 (10, -3, 10, -5, -3, 10,6)


Preliminary Rounds – Round of 32:

#34 Pavel Sirucek 4:3 Jeoung Youngsik #01 (-9,5,-11,5,-7,8,8)
#02 Maharu Yoshimura 4:1 Michal Obeslo (7,-17,7,8,15)
#35 Kim Donghyun 4:1 Panagiotis Gionis #03 (-8,9,16,8,5)
#04 Chen Chien-An 4:0 Tomislav Pucar #36 (9,10,9,9)
Darko Jorgic 4:2 Liang Jingkun #05 (8,-4,-8,9,5,10)
#27 Wang Yang 4:1 Jeong Sangeun #06 (3,7,6,-9,8)
#07 Quadri Aruna 4:2 Ho Kwan Kit #26 (9,-6,5,-8,13,4)
#08 Jonathan Groth 4:1 Asuka Sakai (4,8,-11,9,10)

Liu Dingshuo 4:0 Simon Berglund (7,3,9,6)
Zhai Yujia 4:3 Paul Drinkhall #10 (-5,-6,12,4,-9,5,4)
Kirill Gerassimenko 4:0 Pär Gerell #11 (8,6,10,8)
#21 Jang Woojin 4:0 Tom Jarvis (3,7,9,6)
#13 Zhou Yu 4:1 Robert Gardos #19 (-7,7,8,11,7)
Jens Lundqvist 4:3 Joao Monteiro #14 (-6,-3,7,5,7,-10,9)
#18 Masataka Morizono 4:0 Achanta Sharath Kamal #15 (10,11,4,9)
#16 Benedikt Duda 4:1 Lim Jonghoon #17 (-7,2,10,8,8)


Women's Singles

Preliminary Rounds – Round of 32:

#01 Miyu Kato 4:0 Barbora Balazova #32 (3,7,8,5)
#02 Gu Yuting 4:0 Adriana Diaz #31 (12,8,3,8)
Li Xiaodan 4:0 Zeng Jian #03 (12,9,4,5)
#29 Zhang Qiang 4:0 Suh Hyowon #04 (8,10,7,10)
#05 Melek Hu 4:2 Maria Xiao (5,-8,-15,4,3,9)
#27 Chen Ke 4:0 Yang Haeun #06 (7,4,6,6)
Li Jiayi 4:1 Chen Szu-Yu #07 (7,5,10,-6,9)
#08 Fu Yu 4:3 Zhang Rui (10,8,-9,-7,11,-12,2)
#09 Chen Xingtong 4:0 Viktoria Pavlovich #24 (4,8,6,9)
#10 Sofia Polcanova 4:2 Minami Ando #23 (-9,-4,6,7,9,6)
Sun Mingyang 4:2 Suthasini Sawettabut #22 (8,-9,2,-6,12,7)
#12 Yu Mengyu 4:2 Mitsuho Kimura (-7,-7,6,9,9,10)
Miyuu Kihara 4:2 Marie Migot (-5,-10,5,7,11,6)
#14 Lee Ho Ching 4:1 Miyu Nagasaki (6,-10,5,8,3)
#15 Li Qian 4:1 Kim Kyungah #17 (9,3,9,-8,10)
#18 Minnie Soo Wai Yam 4:0 Choi Hyojoo #16 (12,8,12,6)

JesperStef
11-15-2017, 09:11 PM
Great tournament so far by Danish-based Chinese Zhai Yujia. He has done well in the European Champions League in the last couple of seasons for Denmarks #1 club, Roskilde and is also an occational sparring partner of Dima :-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH4wJtYbj8A

He certainly had to fight to enter the Main Draw in Stockholm with four straight 4:3 victories over Kirill Skachkov, Nima Alamian (both after being 2:3 down), Jiang Tianyi (after 0:3 down) and Paul Drinkhall (2:3 down once again).

Tomorrow he'll be facing Marcos Freitas in the Round of 32 - maybe yet another surprising 4:3 victory in the making...? ;)

TTnS
11-15-2017, 09:18 PM
https://youtu.be/tn5ZR03S024

ttmonster
11-15-2017, 09:30 PM
I think we now know why Dima has improved :p


Great tournament so far by Danish-based Chinese Zhai Yujia. He has done well in the European Champions League in the last couple of seasons for Denmarks #1 club, Roskilde and is also an occational sparring partner of Dima :-)

He certainly had to fight to enter the Main Draw in Stockholm with four straight 4:3 victories over Kirill Skachkov, Nima Alamian (both after being 2:3 down), Jiang Tianyi (after 0:3 down) and Paul Drinkhall (2:3 down once again).

Tomorrow he'll be facing Marcos Freitas in the Round of 32 - maybe yet another surprising 4:3 victory in the making...? ;)

RidTheKid
11-15-2017, 09:38 PM
Think I'm going Saturday. Anyone else?

JesperStef
11-15-2017, 09:46 PM
CNT losses - UPDATE:

Men's Singles
Prel. R32: Liang Jingkun 2:4 Darko Jorgic, SLO (WR #120) (11:8, 4:11, 11:8, 9:11, 5:11, 10:12)


Women's Singles
Qual.: Wang Yidi 1:4 Viktoria Pavlovich, BLR (WR #64) 11:8, 4:11, 10:12, 6:11, 12:14)
Prel. R32: Zhang Rui 3:4 Fu Yu, POR (WR #36) (10:12, 8:11, 11:9, 11:7, 11:13, 14:12, 2:11)


Sorry to see the bad form continue for Liang Jingkun :(.

About a year ago, he was playing amazingly in the CTTSL and looked like the favourite to take the fifth spot for the 2017 WTTC. Since then I believe he hasn't played very well at the big Chinese events (like the "Marvellous 12" trial tournament and the Chinese Games). And on the World Tour, he recently lost to Robert Gardos in the first round of the Austrian Open and has now failed the qualify for the main draw in both the German and Swedish Open :(:(:(.

Do any of you Chinese/Asian "insiders" know if he's had injury or illness problems? Or if he is just out of form somehow? :confused:

drunix80
11-15-2017, 10:25 PM
About a year ago, he was playing amazingly in the CTTSL and looked like the favourite to take the fifth spot for the 2017 WTTC. Since then I believe he hasn't played very well at the big Chinese events (like the "Marvellous 12" trial tournament and the Chinese Games). And on the World Tour, he recently lost to Robert Gardos in the first round of the Austrian Open and has now failed the qualify for the main draw in both the German and Swedish Open :(:(:(.

Do any of you Chinese/Asian "insiders" know if he's had injury or illness problems? Or if he is just out of form somehow? :confused:
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I am not an insider but I have observed him closely. He does not seem injured. It is all about his gameplay. His shots are high risk and inconsistent. He is unable to adapt his game to a new opponent. Only plays well against familiar foes. His FH and footwork is just average. He also lacks a special thing in his game like all great players have. On top of that he has got so many chances in the tour without being able to prove.I dont think he will get more !!

rainneverever
11-15-2017, 11:19 PM
LJK attended 6 ITTF tour this year and this is the third time he did not make the main draw. His best results are QF in Qatar Open and Japan Open. He did very poorly in China National Games, much worse than Marvellous 12 Trials.
Several CNT coaches mentioned that LJK has very good physical conditions in the team and his shot is most powerful, even more powerful than FZD's. However, he is not that ambitious and hardworking. In Marvellous 12 Trials, Ma Lin pointed out LJK has very few variations in first-three-ball and wondered why he did not make any reverse pendulum serve in the match against ML. In the next match, LJK did reverse pendulum serve, but the opponent was totally different... He does not seem to play smart.



About a year ago, he was playing amazingly in the CTTSL and looked like the favourite to take the fifth spot for the 2017 WTTC. Since then I believe he hasn't played very well at the big Chinese events (like the "Marvellous 12" trial tournament and the Chinese Games). And on the World Tour, he recently lost to Robert Gardos in the first round of the Austrian Open and has now failed the qualify for the main draw in both the German and Swedish Open :(:(:(.

Do any of you Chinese/Asian "insiders" know if he's had injury or illness problems? Or if he is just out of form somehow? :confused:

drunix80
11-16-2017, 03:09 AM
LJK attended 6 ITTF tour this year and this is the third time he did not make the main draw. His best results are QF in Qatar Open and Japan Open. He did very poorly in China National Games, much worse than Marvellous 12 Trials.
Several CNT coaches mentioned that LJK has very good physical conditions in the team and his shot is most powerful, even more powerful than FZD's. However, he is not that ambitious and hardworking. In Marvellous 12 Trials, Ma Lin pointed out LJK has very few variations in first-three-ball and wondered why he did not make any reverse pendulum serve in the match against ML. In the next match, LJK did reverse pendulum serve, but the opponent was totally different... He does not seem to play smart.

Does anybody know what happened to Sun Yingsha ?? She is nowhere to be seen

rainneverever
11-16-2017, 03:18 AM
Does anybody know what happened to Sun Yingsha ?? She is nowhere to be seen
She just played 2018 Youth Olympic qualification early this month and will play 2017 World Junior Championships next week.

NextLevel
11-16-2017, 04:36 AM
I am not an insider but I have observed him closely. He does not seem injured. It is all about his gameplay. His shots are high risk and inconsistent. He is unable to adapt his game to a new opponent. Only plays well against familiar foes. His FH and footwork is just average. He also lacks a special thing in his game like all great players have. On top of that he has got so many chances in the tour without being able to prove.I dont think he will get more !!

I agree with everything except that part - he has a special backhand. But the problem for him is so does Darko.

Sali
11-16-2017, 08:21 AM
Darko Jorgic has an exception backhand, no mercy for spinny LHK topspins, he just crushed them all.

JesperStef
11-16-2017, 10:12 AM
Schedule for Day 4 (Thu 16 November 2017):

Men's Singles

Round of 32:

Fan Zhendong (#1 seed) vsJang Woojin
Benedikt Duda vs Yuya Oshima (#14)
Marcos Freitas (#12) vs Zhai Yujia, DEN
Quadri Aruna vs Wong Chun Ting (#5)

Chuang Chih-Yuan (#8) vs Zhou Yu
Masataka Morizono vs Yan An (#10)
Emmanuel Lebesson (#15) vs Liu Dingshuo
Maharu Yoshimura vs Lin Gaoyuan (#4)

Koki Niwa (#3) vs Darko Jorgic
Wang Yang, SVK vs Mattias Karlsson (#16)
Kristian Karlsson (#13) vs Pavel Sirucek
Kirill Gerassimenko vs Fang Bo (#7)

Kenta Matsudaira (#6) vs Kim Donghyun
Jonathan Groth vs Lee Sangsu (#9)
Tomokazu Harimoto (#11) vs Jens Lundqvist
Chen Chien-An vs Xu Xin (#2)


Women's Singles

Round of 32:

Ding Ning (#1 seed) vs Sofia Polcanova
Chen Ke vs Jeon Jihee (#12)
Shan Xiaona, GER (#13) vs Zhang Qiang
Sun Mingyang vs Mima Ito (#6)

Cheng I-Ching (#7) vs Li Jiayi
Gu Yuting vs Honoka Hashimoto (#10)
Li Fen, SWE (#16) vs Li Xiaodan
Li Qian, POL vs Kasumi Ishikawa (#4)

Chen Meng (#3) vs Lee Ho Ching
Minnie Soo Wai Yam vs Matilda Ekholm (#15)
Hitomi Sato (#9) vs Melek Hu, TUR
Chen Xingtong vs Miu Hirano (#5)

Han Ying, GER (#8) vs Miyu Kato
Yu Mengyu vs Hima Hayata (#11)
Doo Hoi Kem (#14) vs Fu Yu, POR
Miyuu Kihara vs Zhu Yuling (#2)

Fabian
11-16-2017, 10:57 AM
https://tv.ittf.com/livestream/swedish-open-table-2/1026893

FZD now playing Jang Woojin

Fabian
11-16-2017, 11:03 AM
Man, FZD is on fire, 1st set 11-1, 10 points in a row, most of them bullets

Fabian
11-16-2017, 11:09 AM
Second 11-6 Fan

Fabian
11-16-2017, 11:14 AM
Third 11-3 Fan

Fabian
11-16-2017, 11:25 AM
He won 4-0

Fabian
11-16-2017, 11:27 AM
Wow, Aruna won 4-2 against Wong Chung Ting

JST
11-16-2017, 11:31 AM
But Fraitas has though time with Zhai Yujia, playing 3:3 on Table 4...

Fabian
11-16-2017, 11:50 AM
Next upset? Benedikt Duda 7-7 with 3-1 in sets right now against Yuya Oshima!

JST
11-16-2017, 12:10 PM
And Lebesson down 1:3 with Liu Dingshuo.

Fabian
11-16-2017, 12:23 PM
Duda won against Oshima!

drunix80
11-16-2017, 03:32 PM
He won 4-0

FZD played so smooth. His body seemed loose and raring to go. No sign of German Open hangover !!!

drunix80
11-16-2017, 04:22 PM
Hirano lost again to Chen Xingtong.

NextLevel
11-16-2017, 04:25 PM
FZD played so smooth. His body seemed loose and raring to go. No sign of German Open hangover !!!

Dima and Timo are not around. Why should he not be relaxed? :p

StehTischtennis
11-16-2017, 04:40 PM
Can someone ask Dan to do a close-up photo of FZD's racket, so we can read the blade serial number? :rolleyes:

Herbert
11-16-2017, 05:48 PM
Nice match going on at the moment between Mattias Karlsson and Wang Yang

Michal_Z
11-16-2017, 06:15 PM
Guys..
Mattias Karlsson vs. Wang Yang .. breathtaking match!
I mean ... wov!
And its best of 7, now 3:3, who will win?
Karlsson saved bunch of matchpoints, with incredible shots!
Both play out of their skin..

Atas Newton
11-16-2017, 06:35 PM
Lundquist's serves are straight out of JOW's era, totally illegal.

Dan
11-16-2017, 10:18 PM
Can someone ask Dan to do a close-up photo of FZD's racket, so we can read the blade serial number? :rolleyes:

Will see what I can do :)

Dan
11-16-2017, 10:19 PM
Wow Jens and Harimoto was so intense this evening. The atmosphere was incredible! Cannot wait for tomorrow! Will Harimoto take out Xu Xin?

JesperStef
11-16-2017, 10:36 PM
Results from Day 4 (Thu 16 November 2017):

Men's Singles

Round of 32:

Fan Zhendong (#1 seed) 4:0 Jang Woojin (11:1, 11:6, 11:3, 11:9)
Benedikt Duda 4:2 Yuya Oshima (#14) (13:11, 10:12, 11:6, 11:8, 10:12, 11:6)
Marcos Freitas (#12) 4:3 Zhai Yujia, DEN (9:11, 5:11, 11:4, 11:8, 9:11, 11:3, 11:6)
Quadri Aruna 4:2 Wong Chun Ting (#5) (11:7, 11:4, 11:8, 6:11, 2:11, 11:6)

Chuang Chih-Yuan (#8) 3:4 Zhou Yu (9:11, 11:9, 11:5, 10:12, 12:10, 11:13, 6:11)
Masataka Morizono 0:4 Yan An (#10) (8:11, 6:11, 9:11, 7:11)
Emmanuel Lebesson (#15) 1:4 Liu Dingshuo (7:11, 10:12, 7:11, 11:3, 11:13)
Maharu Yoshimura 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan (#4) (11:13, 11:13, 2:11, 6:11)

Koki Niwa (#3) 4:2 Darko Jorgic (11:9, 11:4, 11:7, 10:12, 11:13, 11:4)
Wang Yang, SVK 4:3 Mattias Karlsson (#16) (11:9, 9:11, 11:13, 11:5, 12:10, 12:14, 11:4)
Kristian Karlsson (#13) 4:2 Pavel Sirucek (8:11, 9:11, 11:7, 11:9, 11:9, 12:10)
Kirill Gerassimenko 1:4 Fang Bo (#7) (4:11, 8:11, 7:11, 11:9, 10:12)

Kenta Matsudaira (#6) 4:2 Kim Donghyun (11:7, 8:11, 11:4, 8:11, 11:4, 11:9)
Jonathan Groth 4:3 Lee Sangsu (#9) (11:8, 12:10, 7:11, 6:11, 11:9, 2:11, 12:10)
Tomokazu Harimoto (#11) 4:3 Jens Lundqvist (11:4, 9:11, 9:11, 10:12, 11:5, 11:9, 11:8)
Chen Chien-An 0:4 Xu Xin (#2) (7:11, 10:12, 10:12, 3:11)


Women's Singles

Round of 32:

Ding Ning (#1 seed) 4:0 Sofia Polcanova (11:7, 11:5, 11:3, 11:4)
Chen Ke 4:2 Jeon Jihee (#12) (8:11, 11:7, 11:9, 11:1, 7:11, 11:6)
Shan Xiaona, GER (#13) 2:4 Zhang Qiang (11:5, 9:11, 11:6, 7:11, 8:11, 8:11)
Sun Mingyang 4:2 Mima Ito (#6) (11:7, 12:10, 8:11, 11:9, 9:11, 11:4)

Cheng I-Ching (#7) 4:3 Li Jiayi (5:11, 5:11, 11:9, 12:14, 11:5, 11:2, 11:8)
Gu Yuting 4:0 Honoka Hashimoto (#10) (11:4,13:11, 11:2, 11:4)
Li Fen, SWE (#16) 1:4 Li Xiaodan (12:14, 7:11, 11:5, 8:11, 10:12)
Li Qian, POL 1:4 Kasumi Ishikawa (#4) (11:9, 9:11, 14:16, 5:11, 6:11)

Chen Meng (#3) 4:2 Lee Ho Ching (11:2, 9:11, 11:6, 7:11, 11:6, 11:5)
Minnie Soo Wai Yam 1:4 Matilda Ekholm (#15) (9:11,9:11, 15:13, 7:11, 9:11)
Hitomi Sato (#9) 1:4 Melek Hu, TUR (11:8, 9:11, 6:11, 8:11, 8:11)
Chen Xingtong 4:1 Miu Hirano (#5) (6:11,11:8, 11:4, 11:7, 11:8)

Han Ying, GER (#8) 3:4 Miyu Kato (12:10, 11:5, 9:11, 9:11, 3:11, 11:5, 8:11)
Yu Mengyu 4:2 Hina Hayata (#11) (9:11, 12:10, 5:11, 11:5, 11:9, 11:3)
Doo Hoi Kem (#14) 4:2 Fu Yu, POR (8:11, 16:14, 11:5, 9:11, 11:8, 11:3)
Miyuu Kihara 1:4 Zhu Yuling (#2) (4:11, 11:6, 8:11, 6:11, 9:11)

TTnS
11-17-2017, 12:32 AM
Guys..
Mattias Karlsson vs. Wang Yang .. breathtaking match!
I mean ... wov!
And its best of 7, now 3:3, who will win?
Karlsson saved bunch of matchpoints, with incredible shots!
Both play out of their skin..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpljKz7-xA

drunix80
11-17-2017, 12:57 AM
XX vs Tomo coming up. Tomo has a good chance for upset

SFF_lib
11-17-2017, 02:51 AM
I am surprised Lee Sangsu lost!!! His performance in the German open was amazing. Fatigue probably?

Passionate about TT

Raylazyfo
11-17-2017, 07:21 AM
That wiggle shot at 3:00 though
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b74Ct7z3uuA

WorkerBee
11-17-2017, 02:42 PM
AWESOME table tennis right now!

Andy44
11-17-2017, 02:54 PM
Aruna up 2-0 on Freitas...

Jimbob MacInbred
11-17-2017, 02:56 PM
...and 1-1 between FZD and Duda...

PiZa
11-17-2017, 03:12 PM
What a ball by Aruna at 10:9 in 4th set

Andy44
11-17-2017, 03:14 PM
Aruna 4-0 over Freitas.

brodolio
11-17-2017, 03:15 PM
Freitas out! He lost 4 -0 vs Aruna. Quite unexpected I would say

kalc
11-17-2017, 03:16 PM
What happened in the LGY game? Why did it stop at 2-0?

kalc
11-17-2017, 03:17 PM
Yes, that was a big surprise. Quadri playing very well. Has his bh improved?

ttmonster
11-17-2017, 03:18 PM
footwork ....

Yes, that was a big surprise. Quadri playing very well. Has his bh improved?

kalc
11-17-2017, 03:20 PM
footwork ....
Indeed, Quadri moves so much , its a treat to watch :)

TableTennisDaily
11-17-2017, 03:43 PM
Wonderkid Harimoto | Relentless Topspin Training | Swedish Open 2017!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGQz5Xp7uE

NextLevel
11-17-2017, 04:04 PM
What happened in the LGY game? Why did it stop at 2-0?

Li Dingshuo was injured in the previous match. He realized when he wasn't scoring points that it wasn't worth playing anymore.

andrew_tihi
11-17-2017, 04:15 PM
what is this ittf website that you have download a pdf file everytime to check results ?

Garrison
11-17-2017, 05:16 PM
Tomo 2-0 up on XX!

bobpuls
11-17-2017, 05:19 PM
ok .... xu xin vs harimoto 0-1 firsst set... it is unwatchable with sound ....
after third 1:2
1:3

WorkerBee
11-17-2017, 05:33 PM
How is this even possible?

bobpuls
11-17-2017, 05:40 PM
2:3
But this last roller around the net from Xu Xin was exclusive.....
Xu is definitely another league but is making simple errors .... but not in this fifth set.... clean play like proffesor.

NextLevel
11-17-2017, 05:40 PM
Xu Xin says eff this close to the table game and backhand play - goes in time machine and plays amazing shots to end game 5 and an amazing rally.

Atas Newton
11-17-2017, 05:40 PM
Xu Xin's trademark around the net hook, what a shot!

NextLevel
11-17-2017, 05:41 PM
How is this even possible?


He is trying to change his style. So he is trying to implement new things. I think his anger has kicked in and he is going back to how he used to play.

TableTennisDaily
11-17-2017, 05:42 PM
What a match !! This is going to the 7th!

bobpuls
11-17-2017, 05:47 PM
so be it ..... 3:3

FelixTT
11-17-2017, 05:48 PM
Go Xu Xin!!!

bobpuls
11-17-2017, 05:56 PM
ok no surprise here !!! Xu Xin rules

Garrison
11-17-2017, 05:56 PM
Harimoto came so close.. GG. Sick over the table jump flip by Xu Xin. In my club we call that the "fairy".

songdavid98
11-17-2017, 05:57 PM
And there we have it folks. Xu xin 4: 3 Harimoto Tomokazu

I need to rewatch this later

Trismegistus
11-17-2017, 05:57 PM
Crazy match. I never had any doubt that XX would win (possibly overconfident on my part?) but Harimoto did so well.

FelixTT
11-17-2017, 05:59 PM
That fh flick is a thing of beauty..

WorkerBee
11-17-2017, 06:01 PM
Now we know Xu Xin will be beaten by a 15 year old

FelixTT
11-17-2017, 06:33 PM
Now we know Xu Xin will be beaten by a 15 year old

Wow, Nostradamus, can you tell me, the Lotto's winning numbers?, please.

Hurricane_boss
11-17-2017, 06:44 PM
HEY GUYS!! I NEED SOME URGENT HELP HERE!! (Not really) Tommorrow I am going to the Swedish open and really want to get a signature from a chinese player!! But is this possible? Or do they just walk away right after the match? please help I really want a signature from them!!

WorkerBee
11-17-2017, 06:51 PM
Wow, Nostradamus, can you tell me, the Lotto's winning numbers?, please.No, but I also predict Dima loses to a 16 year old Tomo and DongDong loses to a 17 year old Tomo.

PiZa
11-17-2017, 07:24 PM
Xu Xin's trademark around the net hook, what a shot!

In my opinion this is going to be the best point in all Swedish Open.

JesperStef
11-17-2017, 08:03 PM
Results from Day 5 (Fri 16 November 2017):

Men's Singles

Round of 16:

Fan Zhendong (#1 seed) 4:1 Benedikt Duda (6:11, 11:5, 11:6, 11:6, 11:3)
Marcos Freitas (#12) 0:4 Quadri Aruna (6:11, 4:11, 11:13, 10:12)

Zhou Yu 4:0 Yan An (#10) (11:9, 11:8, 11:9, 11:2)
Liu Dingshuo 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan (#4) (1:11, 9:11, 1:3 w.o.)

Koki Niwa (#3) 4:1 Wang Yang, SVK (11:4, 6:11, 11:4, 11:8, 11:7)
Kristian Karlsson (#13) 0:4 Fang Bo (#7) (12:14, 4:11, 1:11, 6:11)

Kenta Matsudaira (#6) 2:4 Jonathan Groth (11:7, 5:11, 8:11, 9:11, 12:10, 10:12)
Tomokazu Harimoto (#11) 3:4 Xu Xin (#2) (11:9, 11:4,7:11, 11:8, 5:11, 6:11, 9:11)


Women's Singles

Round of 16:

Ding Ning (#1 seed) 4:0 Chen Ke (11:9, 11:6, 11:7, 11:5)
Zhang Qiang 4:1 Sun Mingyang (11:9, 11:7, 8:11, 11:8, 11:5)

Cheng I-Ching (#7) 1:4 Gu Yuting (7:11, 11:8, 6:11, 7:11, w.o.)
Li Xiaodan 3:4 Kasumi Ishikawa (#4) (11:8, 10:12, 9:11, 11:9, 10:12, 11:5, 4:11)

Chen Meng (#3) 4:0 Matilda Ekholm (#15) (11:7, 11:5, 11:1, 11:3)
Melek Hu, TUR 1:4 Chen Xingtong (5:11, 4:11, 6:11, 11:6, 4:11)

Miyu Kato 4:1 Yu Mengyu (11:13, 11:5, 12:10, 11:5, 11:9)
Doo Hoi Kem (#14) 0:4 Zhu Yuling (#2) (7:11, 7:11, 4:11, 6:11)


Quarter-finals (top half):

Ding Ning (#1 seed) 4:2 Zhang Qiang (7:11, 11:9, 14:12, 5:11, 11:3, 11:6)
Gu Yuting 3:4 Kasumi Ishikawa (#4) (10:12, 10:12, 11:8, 11:5, 9:11, 11:6, 6:11)

NextLevel
11-17-2017, 08:09 PM
Ishikawa reminds us today that victory is no always to the fastest, strongest or fittest player. Well done to her for beating two players that watching the match and comparing their physical abilities, I would thought she had no business in the sport. She was like a 150 pound Sumo wrestling champion today - well done!

rainneverever
11-17-2017, 08:15 PM
Ishikawa reminds us today that victory is no always to the fastest, strongest or fittest player. Well done to her for beating two players that watching the match and comparing their physical abilities, I would thought she had no business in the sport. She was like a 150 pound Sumo wrestling champion today - well done!
I was a little disappointed that she was not nominated for ITTF female star this year. She won XD World Champion and 1 World Tour. Cheng I Ching got nominated instead for silver of XD at WTTC and bronze at World Cup.

rainneverever
11-17-2017, 08:21 PM
ITTF news about XX vs Tomo
“I was prepared for a long match, a hard match; after losing the fourth game I had to make some changes to my play. I had to try to play with more control; I’m still finding it difficult adjusting to playing with the new plastic ball.” Xu Xin

WorkerBee
11-17-2017, 11:29 PM
ITTF news about XX vs Tomo
“I was prepared for a long match, a hard match; after losing the fourth game I had to make some changes to my play. I had to try to play with more control; I’m still finding it difficult adjusting to playing with the new plastic ball.” Xu XinQuit your crying Xin. Just because you almost lost to Tomo, be a man and admit he's really good, and admit your little baby-wipe delay tactics almost had no effect on the kid. Admit he used his speed to prevent your foot placement method from having it's usual full effect. Admit you'll have to practice more, as will Timo, Jun. and Vladi. Or just cry louder that "I wasn't ready for the new ball"

And Xin, how do you explain that Tomo was ahead for the entire match until the final game, AND that point-wise he finished with 59 vs your 55? Admit that he is a great player instead of sneering at him and blaming the ball.

drunix80
11-18-2017, 01:05 AM
Quit your crying Xin. Just because you almost lost to Tomo, be a man and admit he's really good, and admit your little baby-wipe delay tactics almost had no effect on the kid. Admit he used his speed to prevent your foot placement method from having it's usual full effect. Admit you'll have to practice more, as will Timo, Jun. and Vladi. Or just cry louder that "I wasn't ready for the new ball"

And Xin, how do you explain that Tomo was ahead for the entire match until the final game, AND that point-wise he finished with 59 vs your 55? Admit that he is a great player instead of sneering at him and blaming the ball.

I really dont get the point of blaming the ball. I mean when you are a professional TT player, it is simply part of the game everybody has to go through. If you cant adjust then that is your own weakness.

James Livesey
11-18-2017, 01:21 AM
Harimoto has an entire nation at his back. Not only does Xu Xin not, he's also lost his head coach, switched blades, and the new ball is entirely better suited to tomo's style. XX is getting whipped by the politics of TT.

WorkerBee
11-18-2017, 01:26 AM
Harimoto has an entire nation at his back. Not only does Xu Xin not, he's also lost his head coach, switched blades, and the new ball is entirely better suited to tomo's style. XX is getting whipped by the politics of TT.The excuses for and from Xu Xin are piling up. Get real, he is one of the greatest table tennis players in history, he should not give or receive excuses.

Baal
11-18-2017, 02:54 AM
Whining about the ball again? CNT loves that excuse when things dont go their way and they have been using it a lot.. Stop it. Harden up and train. CNT has more resources than anyone overall. They have had access to D40 balls longer than anyone. (And if tbey have been training with 2 star versions when they are sponsored by DHS they deserve to lose for stupidity; use some of tbe milkilns you are paid and buy some damned 3* balls). LGL didn't play the matches for them and if he was that much of a crutch, it's time to grow up. And respect your formidable opponent.

Seriously, this is pathetic. The gulible Chinese public may believe it but those of us who have played with tbese balls know better. Even tne notion tnat it spins less than the horrible cellulose acetate balls DHS was selling before strikes me as a very bad excuse and not one grounded in reality.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 03:14 AM
Harimoto will get them next time !!!! he's going to be the Olympic champ in Tokyo !!!

drunix80
11-18-2017, 03:46 AM
Harimoto will get them next time !!!! he's going to be the Olympic champ in Tokyo !!!

Harimoto for gold and Harimoto Vs FZD olympics final!! FZD will go down as the best runner-up the game has ever seen :-)

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 04:15 AM
Quit your crying Xin. Just because you almost lost to Tomo, be a man and admit he's really good, and admit your little baby-wipe delay tactics almost had no effect on the kid. Admit he used his speed to prevent your foot placement method from having it's usual full effect. Admit you'll have to practice more, as will Timo, Jun. and Vladi. Or just cry louder that "I wasn't ready for the new ball"

And Xin, how do you explain that Tomo was ahead for the entire match until the final game, AND that point-wise he finished with 59 vs your 55? Admit that he is a great player instead of sneering at him and blaming the ball.
quit your crying WorkerBee. Just because XX beat Tomo while in the worst shape of his life, be a man and admit Tomo's silly battle cries after every point almost had no effect! Am I doing it right, WorkerBee? I might need a lesson in shitposting from you. "Practice more" is an idiot's way of saying "I don't know anything about the game, but I guess it's all about practicing more". Should Tomo also practice more now that he's lost? He already practices his ass off, every pro does, else you get nowhere in this game. Speaking of getting nowhere - how about Jun and Vladi, both of whom I love. What makes you think XX should take them as an example, when all three haven't had any success after Rio 2016?

How is XX "sneering at" Tomo? Him saying he was prepared for a long, hard match is the respect he shows for Tomo. When he says he changed his play, we all saw it in the last 2-3 sets, it was 2 different XXs before and after that.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 04:16 AM
Can Ishikawa finally break the spell ? DING Ning is not 100% in this Open, and Ishikawa has managed to beat a few Tier2 Chinese players recently; now is the time to get this long awaited victory...

SFF_lib
11-18-2017, 05:00 AM
ITTF news about XX vs Tomo
“I was prepared for a long match, a hard match; after losing the fourth game I had to make some changes to my play. I had to try to play with more control; I’m still finding it difficult adjusting to playing with the new plastic ball.” Xu XinWhere did you get that from? I have searched the internet over and over but failed to find the interview with XX.

Passionate about TT

rainneverever
11-18-2017, 05:07 AM
ITTF news on ITTF official website
https://www.ittf.com/2017/11/17/new-level-jonathan-groth/

Plus, if you google this paragraph, the first search result is the above webpage.

Where did you get that from? I have searched the internet over and over but failed to find the interview with XX.

Passionate about TT

SFF_lib
11-18-2017, 05:10 AM
ITTF news on ITTF official website
https://www.ittf.com/2017/11/17/new-level-jonathan-groth/

Plus, if you google this paragraph, the first search result is the above webpage.Thank you

Passionate about TT

Astorix
11-18-2017, 07:09 AM
The excuses for and from Xu Xin are piling up. Get real, he is one of the greatest table tennis players in history, he should not give or receive excuses.

i dare to think that he is not ``blaming`` the new ball but rather blaming himself for not beeing capable in the way he wants to be to adabt as quickly as possible to new certain situations. for him, to admit a lack in his own capabilities must be incredibly frustrating. ``blaming`` the ball here could just be a dying hope...

Garrison
11-18-2017, 09:51 AM
LGY blew a 10-6 lead in game 5 again. :rolleyes: I don't think he has any chance of being drafted into the 2018 world championship team.

TTHopeful
11-18-2017, 09:54 AM
LGY blew a 10-6 lead in game 5 again. :rolleyes: I don't think he has any chance of being drafted into the 2018 world championship team.

They know each others game so much

cmbaX
11-18-2017, 10:09 AM
What's up with Aruna's FH?

ttpenholder
11-18-2017, 10:09 AM
Quit your crying Xin. Just because you almost lost to Tomo, be a man and admit he's really good, and admit your little baby-wipe delay tactics almost had no effect on the kid. Admit he used his speed to prevent your foot placement method from having it's usual full effect. Admit you'll have to practice more, as will Timo, Jun. and Vladi. Or just cry louder that "I wasn't ready for the new ball"

And Xin, how do you explain that Tomo was ahead for the entire match until the final game, AND that point-wise he finished with 59 vs your 55? Admit that he is a great player instead of sneering at him and blaming the ball.

How is admitting faults in your game sneering at Harimoto. Honestly the only person who's crying is you (and Harimoto)

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 10:11 AM
Aruna no match for FZD in this 1st set; too many mistakes, he didn't make one BH punch down the line shot

it seems there is only a small crowd for this event :-(

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 10:19 AM
Yeah, small crowd is a bit of a bummer. I hoped that Swedish enthusiasm for table tennis would draw more people.

Astorix
11-18-2017, 10:24 AM
i miss Bobrow.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 10:27 AM
i miss Bobrow.

AB must have had too much Vodka yesterday night

Quadri ARUNA played very well in the 3rd set and had a good lead, but was a bit unlucky not to be able to close it

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 10:29 AM
Quadri's forehand recovery is practically an ancient African ritual dance move.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 10:31 AM
QA begging for mercy...
exhibition rallies to stop the bleeding... 2-11 would have been a bit tough

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 10:34 AM
Always a pleasure to watch Quadri Aruna.

JesperStef
11-18-2017, 10:44 AM
As already mentioned, it's yet another heartbreaking loss for Lin Gaoyuan :(

Seems like almost ALL of his losses this year has been just like this: filled with so many missed opportunities that he basically should have won? :confused:

I really like his game/style, so I hope that these mental issues will improve with time - and experience.

Even including his tough losses, I believe he has been very clearly the #4 Chinese player (at least) in 2017 after Ma, Fan and Xu. So I still think he has a good chance to make it to the 2018 WTTTC squad either by qualifying or by selection.

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 11:07 AM
Lin is an exceptional player, I'd put him above XX in his current state. If he sorts his psychological problems out, I can see him competing for the #1 spot in the next couple of years.

Astorix
11-18-2017, 11:22 AM
the coaches have a adage for the moments of highest of all pressures in game. they say ``those moments will make them or break them..``

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 01:28 PM
whats going on with XU Xin ??? I see him making much more mistakes than he used to...
Almost lost to HARIMOTO yesterday. Lost 0-4 to LEE Sangsu at the German open....

now losing the first set to Jonathan GROTH.

Is he finished ?

RidTheKid
11-18-2017, 01:45 PM
No, he has a new blade that he has to get used to.


whats going on with XU Xin ??? I see him making much more mistakes than he used to...
Almost lost to HARIMOTO yesterday. Lost 0-4 to LEE Sangsu at the German open....

now losing the first set to Jonathan GROTH.

Is he finished ?

Suga D
11-18-2017, 02:00 PM
Couldn't find the result of Ding Ning vs. Kasumi Ishikawa.
Anybody??

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 02:02 PM
That match is coming up in 2 hours or after the next 2 matches end, whichever is later.

Suga D
11-18-2017, 02:35 PM
That match is coming up in 2 hours or after the next 2 matches end, whichever is later.

Oops. How impatient of me...
Thanks
:)

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 02:51 PM
Zhu Yuling has played some sick backhand kills, Dima style.

NextLevel
11-18-2017, 02:57 PM
Couldn't find the result of Ding Ning vs. Kasumi Ishikawa.
Anybody??

https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/Matches-Day-3-Main-Draw-3.pdf

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 03:06 PM
Miyu KATO is giving some problems to ZHU Yuling 3-3 !!! its a decider !!!
Miyu is fighting a lot with her weapons. I'm not a fan of her game... but she plays very cleverly. with a lot of change of pace... its confusing ZYL

NextLevel
11-18-2017, 03:15 PM
Miyu KATO is giving some problems to ZHU Yuling 3-3 !!! its a decider !!!
Miyu is fighting a lot with her weapons. I'm not a fan of her game... but she plays very cleverly. with a lot of change of pace... its confusing ZYL

Zhu Yuling playing herself... lol.

Atas Newton
11-18-2017, 03:24 PM
I really like the current generation of Japanese female players, lots of fighting spirit in them, all really young as well. Should be an interesting battle between them and CNT until and at the Olympics 2020. And after that for that matter.

bobpuls
11-18-2017, 03:35 PM
i just looked on Quadri Aruna game ... and he plays a little bit funny under pressure ... like ballet moves ;-)
one leg in the air .. an topspin not even close to ideal ...

NextLevel
11-18-2017, 03:55 PM
i just looked on Quadri Aruna game ... and he plays a little bit funny under pressure ... like ballet moves ;-)
one leg in the air .. an topspin not even close to ideal ...

He has serious problem reading Chinese players and strokes.

NextLevel
11-18-2017, 04:07 PM
Niwa is amazing.

drunix80
11-18-2017, 04:19 PM
Fang Bo loves 7 setters

RidTheKid
11-18-2017, 04:23 PM
The "arrogant blocking" sure is a joy to watch.


Niwa is amazing.

Sali
11-18-2017, 04:24 PM
it is a pity Koki did not win, again back to normal chinese TT sunday. Last hope is Kasumi, but somehow I do not believe it. Like usual lucky ZhuYuling survived.

Cornel
11-18-2017, 05:56 PM
Anyone noticed Zhou Yu is using a red rubber on the forehand? Also, the sponge of the backhand rubber seems to be blue

NextLevel
11-18-2017, 06:18 PM
Anyone noticed Zhou Yu is using a red rubber on the forehand? Also, the sponge of the backhand rubber seems to be blue

He is a Donic player - who knows?

bobpuls
11-18-2017, 06:23 PM
When starts the Xu Xin match ?

Andy44
11-18-2017, 06:29 PM
FZD goes the distance to win over Zhou Yu. Great shotmaking, also some big errors. At times both seemed more comfortable on the receive than with the serve. I guess that can happen when players are so familiar with each other.

Fabian
11-18-2017, 06:38 PM
no he just wants to use the H3 blue on his backhand.

Cornel
11-18-2017, 06:48 PM
FZD goes the distance to win over Zhou Yu. Great shotmaking, also some big errors. At times both seemed more comfortable on the receive than with the serve. I guess that can happen when players are so familiar with each other.

I remember looking a little through the stats made by zoomtt(2 or 3 matches) and in all of them there were more points won on the receive, by 3-5%. But maybe this is based on too little evidence and serve is an advantage even at the highest level.

bobpuls
11-18-2017, 07:02 PM
what is going on
according this table
https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/MS-Main-Draw-10-SWE-WT.pdf
xu xin vs fang bo have to play just now .... but they are not on the live stream ..... what is going on ?

NextLevel
11-18-2017, 07:07 PM
what is going on
according this table
https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/MS-Main-Draw-10-SWE-WT.pdf
xu xin vs fang bo have to play just now .... but they are not on the live stream ..... what is going on ?

IT's called patience. The schedule is backlogged with many long matches.

Giangt
11-18-2017, 07:10 PM
IT's called patience. The schedule is backlogged with many long matches.What is that? ;)

bobpuls
11-18-2017, 07:19 PM
xu - fang
1-0
just so quiet match ....

langel
11-18-2017, 07:19 PM
Xu Xin - Fang Bo is on the run!

RidTheKid
11-18-2017, 07:20 PM
The Swedish commentators are top notch by the way. Staffan Lindeborg has done this for 30 years and Mikael Appelgren is the color analyst, pretty competent wouldn't you say ;)

drunix80
11-18-2017, 07:22 PM
FZD vs ZY was an incredible CNT slug fest. ZY made some awesome BH drives that overshadowed FZD's at times.

bobpuls
11-18-2017, 07:25 PM
for now the best play of the tournament....

bobpuls
11-18-2017, 07:32 PM
1-1 pretty interesting

yoass
11-18-2017, 07:41 PM
The Swedish commentators are top notch by the way. Staffan Lindeborg has done this for 30 years and Mikael Appelgren is the color analyst, pretty competent wouldn't you say ;)

Anywhere where we can watch with Lindeborg/Appelgren commenting? Would love to hear it and might just understand enough. Appelgren, wow!

yoass
11-18-2017, 08:00 PM
Convincing win for XX. Still rooting for him, the spice of life abides.

RidTheKid
11-18-2017, 08:04 PM
Not sure if it's accessible outside of Sweden but Public Service has their online Play channel: https://www.svtplay.se/



Anywhere where we can watch with Lindeborg/Appelgren commenting? Would love to hear it and might just understand enough. Appelgren, wow!

yoass
11-18-2017, 08:07 PM
Not sure if it's accessible outside of Sweden but Public Service has their online Play channel: https://www.svtplay.se/

Tack så mycket… nej! "Programmet kan bara ses i Sverige".

RidTheKid
11-18-2017, 08:10 PM
Varsågod! :) Google Chrome is supposed to have a function that blocks the geo. Otherwise you should use a VPN.


Tack så mycket… nej! "Programmet kan bara ses i Sverige".

JesperStef
11-18-2017, 08:38 PM
Results from Day 6 (Sat 18 November 2017):

Men's Singles

Quarter-finals:

Fan Zhendong (#1 seed) 4:0 Quadri Aruna (11:6, 11:8, 12:10, 11:5)
Zhou Yu 4:2 Lin Gaoyuan (#4) (7:11, 6:11, 13:11, 11:3, 16:14, 11:6)

Koki Niwa (#3) 3:4 Fang Bo (#7) (7:11, 6:11,11:7, 11:8, 11:8, 8:11, 8:11)
Jonathan Groth 1:4 Xu Xin (#2) (11:7, 5:11, 4:11, 3:11, 9:11)


Semi-finals:

Fan Zhendong (#1) 4:3 Zhou Yu (6:11, 11:3, 11:8, 10:12, 12:10, 10:12, 12:10)

Fang Bo (#7) 2:4 Xu Xin (#2) (9:11, 14:12, 5:11, 5:11, 11:8, 1:11)


Women's Singles

Quarter-finals (bottom half):

Chen Meng (#3) 3:4 Chen Xingtong (11:9, 7:11, 6:11, 11:6, 6:11, 11:8, 4:11)
Miyu Kato 3:4 Zhu Yuling (#2) (9:11, 4:11, 14:12, 6:11, 12:10, 11:8, 4:11)


Semi-finals:

Ding Ning (#1) 4:0 Kasumi Ishikawa (#4) (11:9,11:9, 11:8, 11:6)

Chen Xingtong 4:1 Zhu Yuling (#2) (4:11, 11:6, 11:8, 11:8, 11:6)

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-18-2017, 11:32 PM
Niwa is amazing.

his matches are never boring !!!! His style is really unique. genius.

incredible play against FANG Bo... He almost made it against all expectations again, too bad he lost (again) this time. I hope he'll get this extra bit of luck and confidence in his next matches

langel
11-19-2017, 07:40 AM
Well, in fact this match between Koki Niwa and Fang Bo didin'te exite me much. I felt some lack of salt and pepper in their play.

mikechow
11-19-2017, 08:52 AM
Seems like most of the Chinese National teams players changed their blade, Fan Zhengdong, XuXin, FongBo...

Makelele
11-19-2017, 01:03 PM
Please, can someone translate what Anton Kallberg said in his match against Baggaley around 34:48?

https://tv.ittf.com/video/kallberg-anton-baggaley-andrew/1032499

Thanks.

drunix80
11-19-2017, 01:07 PM
his matches are never boring !!!! His style is really unique. genius.

incredible play against FANG Bo... He almost made it against all expectations again, too bad he lost (again) this time. I hope he'll get this extra bit of luck and confidence in his next matches
Can only imagine what kind of monster Niwa would have transformed to if he had little more power !!

suds79
11-19-2017, 01:16 PM
Can only imagine what kind of monster Niwa would have transformed to if he had little more power !!

It's crazy that he's only 5'4 112 lbs according to wiki. That is just one tiny man. No doubt for him to hit at the power & speed he does, he has squeezed every bit of power & maximization he could possibly get out of that frame.

An interesting thought thought is that say if Koki was 6'0 and was say 180 lbs, I'd argue that he probably wouldn't be as crafty as he is and more of a power player. He wouldn't had to develop his craftyness growing up. So some of the magic you see from him would be lost.

I guess it is what it is. But yeah he's fun to watch.

RidTheKid
11-19-2017, 01:24 PM
He said "I can't even get one ball in!"


Please, can someone translate what Anton Kallberg said in his match against Baggaley around 34:48?

https://tv.ittf.com/video/kallberg-anton-baggaley-andrew/1032499

Thanks.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
11-19-2017, 02:19 PM
CHEN Xingtong is really impressive. Her FH stroke at the table is so quick, and she takes such a big swing sometimes... its almost a winner every time even against DING Ning

langel
11-19-2017, 02:49 PM
FZD vs XX on the run.
Is the obvious answer comming, or a surprise?

bobpuls
11-19-2017, 02:51 PM
xx will win

Michal_Z
11-19-2017, 02:54 PM
CHEN Xingtong is really impressive. Her FH stroke at the table is so quick, and she takes such a big swing sometimes... its almost a winner every time even against DING Ning

I am glad she made it in the end!

Michal_Z
11-19-2017, 02:55 PM
xx will win

Yep, he will win a bunch of points every game.
But my prediction is 4:0 FZD ;)

RidTheKid
11-19-2017, 03:02 PM
Lindeborg to Appelgren: how many points would you get against Xu Xin or Fzd?
A - Not many, I'm not in great shape these days.
L- Do you beat Waldner in your current shape?
A- Yes, sure.

bobpuls
11-19-2017, 03:04 PM
Yep, he will win a bunch of points every game.
But my prediction is 4:0 FZD ;)
From now i can say you are mistaken.
;-)

ping fun
11-19-2017, 03:12 PM
CHEN Xingtong is really impressive. Her FH stroke at the table is so quick, and she takes such a big swing sometimes... its almost a winner every time even against DING Ning

I guess no one anticipated that chen xingtong can win this open . She was so fast

bobpuls
11-19-2017, 03:12 PM
now i`m smiling a lot more .... ;*)))

bobpuls
11-19-2017, 03:22 PM
now i`m even laughing
looks good

Fabian
11-19-2017, 03:27 PM
who would have thought...

Makelele
11-19-2017, 03:27 PM
He said "I can't even get one ball in!"

Yeah, he seemed really annoyed.

Thanks Rid.

bobpuls
11-19-2017, 03:28 PM
Xu Xin just erase FZD ..... What a prediction !!!! ;-)))))
:cool:

Garrison
11-19-2017, 03:28 PM
Fan not having his head in the game

langel
11-19-2017, 03:28 PM
Surprraaaaaise! :D

langel
11-19-2017, 03:30 PM
I guess no one anticipated that chen xingtong can win this open . She was so fast

I have pedicted that Chen will win the open!
But I have just messed her other names :rolleyes:

Fabian
11-19-2017, 03:31 PM
Fan made so many 'easy' mistakes. is it his new blade, new balls, bad form?
he often also seemed to play shots with only 70% power or so.

ping fun
11-19-2017, 03:42 PM
Fan made so many 'easy' mistakes. is it his new blade, new balls, bad form?
he oftenl1 also seemed to play shots with only 70% power or so.
What's wrong with fan zhen dong ?? He could easily beat xu xin recently but in these recent opens he wasnt himself . After a long time xu xin found a way to beat him . Happy for xx

TTHopeful
11-19-2017, 03:47 PM
Whats happened to FZD????

anchorschmidt
11-19-2017, 03:53 PM
Sometimes, you just have a bad day (https://gfycat.com/DarkBadEnglishpointer)

Vector Operator
11-19-2017, 03:55 PM
✧*。٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و✧*。ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 許昕! 加油! Xu Xin Go Go Go!ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ✧*。٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و✧*。

His backhand won the match! (๏д๏) Crazy!

MHEK
11-19-2017, 03:58 PM
I think he is still not used to his new blade, Maybe viscaria is better for him. Not everyone should use a w968.

WorkerBee
11-19-2017, 04:22 PM
It's obvious why Fan Zhendong lost:

1. The new ball, it clearly favors Xu Xin's playing style..
2. The new ball, FZD is not used to it.
3. FZD was tired, he's been playing so many tournaments.
4 FZD is still suffering the effects of his injuries.
5. XU Xin was yelling Cho too much, even when FZD made mistakes.
6. A new bat, FZD is not used to it.
7 A new coach.
8. FZD was tired, having just won the doubles.
9. FZD is getting too old, he has to start losing at some point.
10. FZD is too young and doesn't have the experience.

Michal_Z
11-19-2017, 04:24 PM
From now i can say you are mistaken.
;-)

I am .. I mean - What the hell just happened?
Xu Xin just simply erased FZD!

That was so devastating, hummm... maybe he found something that finally works against Fan..

Fabian
11-19-2017, 04:34 PM
It's obvious why Fan Zhendong lost:

1. The new ball, it clearly favors Xu Xin's playing style..
2. The new ball, FZD is not used to it.
3. FZD was tired, he's been playing so many tournaments.
4 FZD is still suffering the effects of his injuries.
5. XU Xin was yelling Cho too much, even when FZD made mistakes.
6. A new bat, FZD is not used to it.
7 A new coach.
8. FZD was tired, having just won the doubles.
9. FZD is getting too old, he has to start losing at some point.
10. FZD is too young and doesn't have the experience.

I see your ironic argument but it's not like FZD played well and XX just played better. FZD made many mistakes like missing the ball or some of his shots looked a lot slower than he would usually play them.

yuri.saldon
11-19-2017, 04:34 PM
I think xu xin was using a lot more his bh, and actually being very efficient with it. But FZD didn't play his best.

But what turn around in XX life, one tournament he lost to LSS 4x0 easily and now he's the Sweden champion against FZD.

Looking back to the tournament the hardest match in this tournament was against harimoto what a surprise.

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langel
11-19-2017, 04:37 PM
I think he is still not used to his new blade, Maybe viscaria is better for him. Not everyone should use a w968.

Oh, maybe not the Viscaria, but the Infinity handles would do a better job?

langel
11-19-2017, 04:42 PM
I think that the latest two open served much more exitement coming from surprises, than actual play.
Of course I can't blame nothing but the ball for what is happening /:confused:/, but I kind of like it /not the ball, but the situation /.
Tension in TT entertainment is as good as tensors in TT play!

:cool:

WorkerBee
11-19-2017, 04:56 PM
I forgot Reason #11, the Macau bookies made decisions of who should get the extra amphetamines this tournament to help the high rollers rip off the fans who gamble, and paid off the team doctors who control the water bottles and the anti-doping inspectors.

songdavid98
11-19-2017, 05:52 PM
Clearly, Xu Xin read my thread about RPB blocking and became enlightened as well, giving him the backhand he needed to beat Fan Zhengdong

No doubt about it. You're welcome XX

TurboZ
11-19-2017, 06:34 PM
Thought it is another FZD walk through but not today. Glad to see XX back on his feet after that 0:4 humiliation one week earlier. Interesting to see them both switch to DHS and ditch their long term Stiga after the dismiss of LGL. Hope it means a new era for him with the help of Wang Hao and his blade :cool:. Congrat to the new champ.

JesperStef
11-19-2017, 10:44 PM
Results from Day 7 (Sun 19 November 2017):

Finals:

Men's Singles


[1] Fan Zhendong 1:4 Xu Xin [2] (11:6, 7:11, 9:11, 6:11, 2:11)


Women's Singles

[1] Ding Ning 3:4 Chen Xingtong [Q] (9:11, 13:15, 12:10, 6:11, 11:6, 11:6, 9:11)


Men's Doubles

[3] Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting 1:3 Fan Zhendong/Xu Xin [2] (11:6, 5:11, 6:11, 8:11)


Women's Doubles

[3] Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling 1:3 Hina Hayata/Mima Ito [2] (8:11, 11:1, 9:11, 9:11)

drunix80
11-19-2017, 11:11 PM
Is it a XX revival or FZD's dip in form?? FZD has dominated XX in the past year so this loss is little surprising. Either way XX played well and navigated via tough draw including Tomo

JeffM
11-20-2017, 12:40 AM
Congrats XX! :D

After so many loses against FZD in the past 1-2 years, he did not disappoint this time.
I was finally right in predicting who will win in the poll. :cool:

ping fun
11-20-2017, 03:08 AM
Is it a XX revival or FZD's dip in form?? FZD has dominated XX in the past year so this loss is little surprising. Either way XX played well and navigated via tough draw including Tomo

Looking back at FZD's recent results , it seems fan zhendong's form is not ideal . But again we cant close our eyes on XX's effort vs him

Michal Dao
11-20-2017, 08:27 AM
There is some new ball or what? Everyone is complaining about some new ball, but it is still the same 40+ plastic ball isn't it?

JST
11-20-2017, 09:27 AM
Not really. There seems to be at least two generations of plastic balls as DHS (provider of official balls) moves from their (awful) "poly" balls to ABS technology (slightly different material which was previously used by Nittaku for their Premium 40+ balls - surely DHS uses slightly different process because Nittaku are going their own way with patented outcomes of their R&D). The question is how big is the difference, from when the teams started training with it, if there are even more "bumps" in DHS process and quality assurance since they introduced this new D40+ (some shops also market it as "DHS cell-free Dual") balls in Q1/Q2 2017...


There is some new ball or what? Everyone is complaining about some new ball, but it is still the same 40+ plastic ball isn't it?

Suga D
11-20-2017, 08:32 PM
https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2017/11/Matches-Day-3-Main-Draw-3.pdf

Sorry for the delay
Fantastic. Thanks NL
[Emoji106]

TTRockz
11-21-2017, 02:33 PM
https://youtu.be/TSns-EO6O6c

Ilia Minkin
11-21-2017, 11:35 PM
Ma Short uploaded a few matches with the great angle from the tourney


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUKyGVxhq10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6t_UOaQwRo

rainneverever
11-22-2017, 08:35 AM
For those of you who are skeptical about change that the new ABS balls bring, this may be interesting to you. Dima's responses in a German forum.
PS: Can anyone translate to English? Google translation works but a precise translation will be appreciated.
https://i3.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201711/22/BbsImg151133811764744_80128101175161_733x500.png
https://i1.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201711/22/BbsImg151133929240642_80128101175161_730x276.png
https://i1.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201711/22/BbsImg151134141025652_80128101175161_721x443.png

rainneverever
11-22-2017, 09:03 AM
Dima also mentioned he chose different blade for different balls.
https://i3.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201711/22/BbsImg151134123519067_80128101175161_737x383.png
https://i1.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201711/22/BbsImg15113413929222_80128101175161_733x427.png

bobpuls
11-22-2017, 11:18 AM
The last part get me interested really ...
The pro are changing the blade every 3 month ...because of the water based glue is affecting the speed of the blade and blade becomes slower ..... hmmmmmmmmmm interesting... bad sealed blades ?

Fabian
11-22-2017, 11:23 AM
Maybe they don't seal at all because sealing affects the feeling for the ball?

anchorschmidt
11-22-2017, 11:40 AM
1. The balls have caused a lot of frustration and injuries since their introduction. Every kind of plastic ball (doesn't matter which), will have considerably less spin. Earlier, hardly anyone could return my Backhand serves short or control my topspins if I put 100% of my power into them. Nowadays you need to work a lot more for your points and cleverness and explosive speed is rewarded much more than power.


The biggest problem is, we have to use a good chunk of our time just to get used to the particular ball that we have to play way with instead of improving our games. Every single ball is different.


2. I try to play with less power and more speed. It's still a long journey as I really enjoy playing with power.


3. Well noticed (replying to comment that noted that: Dima's forehand movement has become shorter and that he takes the ball earlier. Xu Xin and Dima's movements were much longer than LGY and Niwa's. However, nowadays the timing of [Dima's] forehand is no longer as different compared to that of the backhand).


Currently working on playing with more speed and less power. My footwork for the receive has become better and as a result, I am able to maintain my balance for the following balls and take the ball earlier.

anchorschmidt
11-22-2017, 11:45 AM
4: I am playing with carbon blades for the past 15 years. I vary between harder carbon blades such as the True Carbon and softer carbon blades like the Ovtcharov original.


It makes a big difference if the carbon ply is closer or further from the top ply.


Because the balls are so differnt, I choose the blade as per the ball. Hard ball: soft blade and vice-versa


5. Q: Are you the only player to switch blades according to the ball. Is that not a disadvantage?


A: Haha, if it were a disadvantage, I would not be doing it.


I observed that all of the Chinese players were also playing with new blades during the German Open.


Because of the water-based glue, very few professionals use the same blade for more than 3 months as the water seeps into the blade and slows it down.

Ilia Minkin
11-22-2017, 12:18 PM
Thx for the translation!

Simas
11-22-2017, 12:33 PM
Dima Ovtcharov is posting to the forum himself? That's very cool.

NextLevel
11-22-2017, 01:47 PM
The last part get me interested really ...
The pro are changing the blade every 3 month ...because of the water based glue is affecting the speed of the blade and blade becomes slower ..... hmmmmmmmmmm interesting... bad sealed blades ?

These guys glue very frequently and boost as well. If you do so, then change your blade too.

Der_Echte
11-26-2017, 04:19 AM
The last part get me interested really ...
The pro are changing the blade every 3 month ...because of the water based glue is affecting the speed of the blade and blade becomes slower ..... hmmmmmmmmmm interesting... bad sealed blades ?

The clever ones have a quantity of their blades in heavy weight range on hand and ROTATE them into practice/match play as they take off the rubbers after a certain time and dry out and recondition the blade. That allows one to keep these blades and not ruin them too early.

Atas Newton
11-26-2017, 04:43 AM
Because the balls are so differnt, I choose the blade as per the ball. Hard ball: soft blade and vice-versa
what a mess. Equipment should be the last thing on a pro athlete's mind in tournaments smh. Hope there's less denial about the difference the balls make now that Dima has confirmed there's variance between different brands. What I'd love to see is for ITTF to either set the one precise technical standard for the ball production or to plain choose one manufacturer and stick with it across all competitions. The latter option is economically unhealthy though.

bobpuls
11-26-2017, 06:24 AM
The clever ones have a quantity of their blades in heavy weight range on hand and ROTATE them into practice/match play as they take off the rubbers after a certain time and dry out and recondition the blade. That allows one to keep these blades and not ruin them too early.
according to this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5P25njgcYA
they re-glue two times in week .... so plenty of blades they need. .;-)

Atas Newton
11-26-2017, 07:37 AM
I'm curious, how often do tennis players change strings? What's more expensive on average: annual supply of table tennis rackets or of tennis rackets?

yoass
11-26-2017, 07:44 AM
I'm curious, how often do tennis players change strings? What's more expensive on average: annual supply of table tennis rackets or of tennis rackets?

Among tennis players the lore is to restring after about 30-40 days of play, i.e. in a yearly frequency that matches the weekly training frequency: a player that plays 3 times a week will typically restring 3 times a year.

Astorix
11-26-2017, 10:22 AM
according to this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5P25njgcYA
they re-glue two times in week .... so plenty of blades they need. .;-)

they only do this while normal training. in tournament they change rubber everyday at important tournaments after every match.

Simas
11-26-2017, 10:23 AM
somehow I have a feeling that Stiga is a bigger brand in China then in the rest of the world...

rainneverever
11-27-2017, 02:21 AM
Timo shared the link of his interview with Xinhua News on his facebook. I think his comments on the new material ball are quite fair.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-11/24/c_136775014.htm


BERLIN, Nov. 24 (Xinhua) -- Despite latest defeats and problems with the new ball used in international competition, China's table tennis stars are still the world's leading fraction, said German Timo Boll.
"We managed to close the gap a little bit, but they still rule table tennis," the German number two and former first of world rankings said in a recent Xinhua interview.
"When it comes to technique, athleticism, and speed they are the best," the three times World Champion commented.
Despite latest defeats of Chinese top-ranked performers at the World Cup, Boll does not see a change of guards.
"I would not speak about a change of guards. To say that is far too much. And don't forget, Dimitri (Ovtcharov) and I have to invest a lot trying to keep our current high level. When beating some of the Chinese we had reached the ultimate," Boll emphasized. To beat top Chinese players, everything has to work perfectly for the German challengers.
Some call Boll an evergreen in table tennis. The German number two is the only one over 35 years among the top ten in the current world rankings. Turning 37 in March 2018 the fan of the football sides Borussia Dortmund and Eintracht Frankfurt is said to be in his golden years.
German national coach Joerg Rosskopf expects Boll to continue at a top level until 2020 and beyond. "He does not have to think about retirement. He is an exceptionally gifted player, which allows him to play at such a high level since over ten years," the former German international said.
Boll confirmed to play until 2020. "When I stay fit, I have some more years to go. I still love this sport," the Hessen-born athlete said.
Boll said he would retire "when you can hardly train or attend competitions without feeling any pain." Boll said he is undergoing regular medical checks every two weeks and is keeping training and competition efforts in balance.
China's problems to some extent would be caused by the new type of ball used in international competition. "The new ball is allowing less spin which makes it easier to return. I call the new ball less dangerous. You just have better control over ball and game," Boll emphasized.
He has changed his game to gain more points through tactical variety and placing the ball more precisely. The new type of ball makes it easier for him to return and that leads to more confidence when returning a hard service.
Boll is convinced China's top players are the favorites of the 2018 team World Cup.
"They will come up with something special for the World Championships and get back to an intense training effort. But clearly the Japanese, and we are the biggest opponents for China," Boll said.
The German team is happy about closing the gap as the entire top of table tennis moved closer together. The German team is ready to win a medal at the 2018 team World Championship.
"We are happy to be within reach of the leading Chinese players. Table tennis competitions around the world are getting tighter now, and we see more surprising results than before."
Boll mentioned that Olympic Champion and World Champion Ma Long in his perspective is the World's best player narrowly followed by Fan Zhendong.
"Ma Long was the strongest player over the last 3 to 4 years. He is hard to beat due to his special game style," the German stressed after beating Ma Long recently. "But due to his age, things get harder even for him. He has to invest a lot and can't be at 100 percent in every game. As an opponent, you have to try to take advantage of that."
Experience and his age give him the opportunity to face challenges with much more easiness as in his early years as pressure and expectation were much higher Boll stressed.
Boll said Fan Zhendong is not far behind Ma Long. "He is more or less at the same level and above the three to four (players) following. China still has two top players and three to four behind on an absolute world-class level," he added.
To have attended many competitive tournaments is one of the reasons for the current success of Ovtcharov and him.
"It is energy taking at times, but we get along well. We were pushed to a higher level," Boll stressed and said it would give German table tennis a motivation boost to soon see Ovtcharov as the World's number one in the rankings.
"He would receive the reward for a lot of good tournaments and thanks to the new ranking system in operation from January 2018 on he has got the chance to achieve the top," he commented.
Boll announced he would soon launch an online training web page (www.timoboll-webcoach.com) for talents and amateurs.
Young talents and amateur players can benefit from training and technique advice. Boll plans live online sessions. Players can get a detailed analysis when handing in videos of their training or games.