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Ndragon
11-23-2017, 07:55 PM
Ok so I'm gonna make me a 'fun' bat. Chen Weixing style. I don't want to be playing mid distance unless I have to, prefer to stay 1-3ft from the table blocking, chopping with BH and blocking, looping, attacking with the FH.
1. Do I go for OX or get some sponge (no higher than 1mm).
2. Do I get something safe like feint long 3 (which I have tried), DHS C8 or TSP curl P-1R.
3. as for a blade, can i just use my stiga ALL classic or would getting a Joo Sae Hyuk be the better option.

hit me with your thoughts ;)

Bram Vroonland
11-23-2017, 09:34 PM
Get a Friendship 755 Mystery III in 0.8mm and stick it on the ALL classic. It'll cost you like €8.- and plays like a dream. Blocking isn't ideal but it chops very well. Additionally, it works well on rolls and backhand killshots.

Curtis Kurt Sage
11-23-2017, 09:53 PM
My setup is very good for what you are suggesting, you get enough power with the FH rubber as well as the blade being carbon it is very good for attacking, but it also has magnificent touch for chopping, chop-blocks and blocking with FH and BH alike. Tsp curl p1r in 0.5mm is very good because it has sponge to help with attacking with the pips but also decent spin reversal on blocks and chops. You can also generate your own spin eg. A FH topspin is possible but requires maximum effort to perform.

tropical
11-23-2017, 10:56 PM
My opponents said OX is weirder then 1mm sponge. I feel I can play both depends on the opponents how they dislike it.

My 388D is dirt cheap. Don't try anything too expensive as it is a rip off as it doesn't take much to produce LP rubber.

Stiga Classic ALL should be fine.

genrel001
11-24-2017, 12:32 AM
Stiga ALL classic is fine.

On the LP part, I'll go with OX as they have more reversal and less spin sensitive than the sponged ones. But the downside is that it's harder to control than sponged LPs, that's why I like to put them on slow, soft, flexible blade to compensate the loss of dwell time of not having a sponge underneath it yet still maximizing its spin reversal potential.

I would suggest that you stay away from grippy LPs that are made for chopping for they are very hard to control when blocking. I would recommend 729 755 OX, Globe 979 OX, Giant Dragon Crop Circle OX, Stiga Destroyer OX, and DHS C7 OX for the cheap ones, and Spinlord LPs for rather expensive ones (but they're still realy cheap compared to mainstream brands).

Loopadoop
11-24-2017, 02:24 AM
OX in a slow long pips

Your Stiga all around is ok

9 or 10 mm balsa blade is ideal when you upgrade

Ndragon
11-24-2017, 06:48 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. I'll stick to my stiga ALL classic then. A lot of options with the pips though. I just checked out the C7 now they are quite cheap also. I have tried feint long 3 with 1mm sponge on a matsushita def blade and it worked quite nice actually. But with my stiga ALL I have no clue lol. Because ultimately staying with my stiga blade means my fh stays the same

DragonOwen
11-24-2017, 06:55 AM
For a blade upgrade I would recommend Dr. Neubauer Titan, it's very light weight and have a small (almost round) playing surface, so I think it's just made for playing close to the table, also this blade have different speed sides witch can create more difficulties for your opponent... I had this blade, but I used it with anti-spin mostly for fun and change of pace at the trainings, it's just at the time I tried myself in defense and I didn't want to play close to the table style in defense, so this blade was "not my cup of tea", but IMO it's was just great close to the table, block and flat hits is really great... just IMHO

P.S. Joo Se Hyuk blade IMHO is too heavy for comfortable playing close to the table (I had this blade), also it have oversized playing surface witch IMO also not good for playing close to the table, also it's quite a speedy blade, it's very easy to overshoot over the table when playing close to the table... so, for your style of play, I think Joo See Hyuk blade is a bad choice...

Der_Echte
11-24-2017, 08:05 AM
Just use what you have lying around and know, and put the LPs on one side. OX if you like to be close to table and take off bounce, sponged LP if you want to chop or go dead when you want. Buy the cheapest LP that will get the job done. Many are under USD10. Play around with it when you are in goof off mode, it will help you vs the LPers some.

Bram Vroonland
11-24-2017, 11:47 AM
I see you play a TG3 NEO (which is great!) but perhaps you'd like to transition to a rubber which is easier to hit a no spin ball with when playing with LP?

Ndragon
11-24-2017, 06:11 PM
I see you play a TG3 NEO (which is great!) but perhaps you'd like to transition to a rubber which is easier to hit a no spin ball with when playing with LP?

I have a H3 NEO I would put on as I have a sheet and that's what I played before. The only rubber I would consider using is Mark V.

Ndragon
11-24-2017, 08:39 PM
I've had a look online for what's available in UK that is cheap. I got a choice of the friendship 755, dhs c7/c8 and cloud&fog, dawaei 388d/d1.
So what we reckon from those choices. Or do I just pick any really? Or maybe give me the 3 better ones.

tropical
11-24-2017, 09:05 PM
I know for a fact that DHS C7/8 doesn't last long while 388D does as good as Long Feint II/III.

brokenball
11-24-2017, 09:35 PM
I have made a LKT Instinct paddle with LKT Pro XT and 755 0X. This is cheap. I bought the original from colestt long ago but since then I have replaced the rubbers on both sides once. It is fun and easy to play with. The LKT Instinct is slow which makes blocking balls with the 755 0X easy.
I would add 0.5mm sponge if you want to get more grip for chopping at the expense of spin reversal.

WARNING 0x LPs are difficult to apply. Some like 755 0X will shrivel up. If the 755 0X makes contact with itself it may not be usable.

There are two must learns when playing with this paddle.
1. Twiddle
2. Side step and use the FH when you have a chance to kill the ball. Hitting with LPs is iffy.

genrel001
11-25-2017, 01:00 AM
I've had a look online for what's available in UK that is cheap. I got a choice of the friendship 755, dhs c7/c8 and cloud&fog, dawaei 388d/d1.
So what we reckon from those choices. Or do I just pick any really? Or maybe give me the 3 better ones.

I'll put it this way,

Rank based on Control:
1. 755
2. C7
3. 388d-1
4. 388d
5. Cloud and Fog 3 (this pip frustrates me a lot when blocking, but it's a hell of a chopping machine)

Spin Reversal:
1. 388d
2. 388d-1
3. Cloud and Fog 3
4. C7
5. 755

I suggest you get the 755, as it is the easiest to control and also the cheapest. Or, you can buy all of them and try it all, Feint Long 3 is still more expensive than the sum of those rubbers.

Der_Echte
11-25-2017, 01:04 AM
Write the three most inexpensive ones in large letters on a sheet of A4 paper... tape it to an old wall... throw a dart at the A4 paper from a range of 2 meters.... whatever rubber the dart lands on... BUY.

You are not gunna be a Jedi Master Knight crowned by the queen herself the first year you use it... so why worry. Maybe you get crowned by crown royal or Kroenig coffee, no use to sweat it out, slap on one of those puppies and have sum fun.

pgpg
11-25-2017, 03:47 AM
I've had a look online for what's available in UK that is cheap. I got a choice of the friendship 755, dhs c7/c8 and cloud&fog, dawaei 388d/d1.
So what we reckon from those choices. Or do I just pick any really? Or maybe give me the 3 better ones.

Flip a coin, 4-sided in this case, but whatever... It's a fun bat - so it does not really matter WHICH particular kind of LP you are going to end up with. They are all going to be different enough from inverted, so it will give you a taste of what it's all about.

Yes, you are probably better off with OX/thin sponge to make it as spin-insensitive/disturbing as possible close to the table and on serve receive. And you can chop with it just fine.

Der_Echte
11-25-2017, 05:02 AM
5000 posts on OOAK for OP or bust !

pgpg, you destroying opposing teams on Mission Day 1 of ur tourney? In a hurry and taking down only initials?

Ndragon
11-25-2017, 07:13 AM
Thank you so much for the replies everyone. Helped me a lot, i'm pretty confident to buy now. Will get it for xmas. Again...thank you so much, helps a ton to get some good info and advice from a bunch of people when buying something for first time.

Ndragon
11-25-2017, 07:56 AM
Ok so based on the shops in UK that have my blade and can glue them on (i'm really not confident to do it myself), I have 2 choices. 388D OX or Friendship 755 0.8mm sponge. :confused:

Loopadoop
11-25-2017, 08:24 AM
Go with OX 388D or Globe 979

There are videos available showing how to glue long pips.

Basically, glue only blade, wait 20 minutes to dry, roll long pips on from the bottom to top, then cut.

Ndragon
11-25-2017, 08:50 AM
Go with OX 388D or Globe 979

There are videos available showing how to glue long pips.

Basically, glue only blade, wait 20 minutes to dry, roll long pips on from the bottom to top, then cut.

I realise its easy for some people and I've seen and glue so many regular rubbers and like 50% or more of the time I mess up a bit lol. I'll just let the shop glue it for me :P

Sali
11-25-2017, 12:01 PM
First of all it depends what level are going to play. If it is just for try, then take 388d OX which is cheap and easy to play.
If you want to stick with IT then probably you need to change your blade sińce it is too soft and you will not get much backspin