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TTLondon2012
12-04-2017, 03:44 PM
Yesterday at the German League Steffen Mengel completely freaks out after losing the Match against Jakub Dyjas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABWLviueQQ

Astorix
12-04-2017, 03:53 PM
Facepalm.
no selfcontrol.

Ilia Minkin
12-04-2017, 04:01 PM
Poor umpire, that should had been scary...

Suga D
12-04-2017, 04:04 PM
Whoa, this time he was losing it really. Kuba must have played really well.
You can see the umpire surprised and frightened. Hopefully no one got hurt.

ping fun
12-04-2017, 04:10 PM
Yesterday at the German League Steffen Mengel completely freaks out after losing the Match against Jakub Dyjas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABWLviueQQ

I thought he won the game ;) . The umpire scared so bad . Any punishment???

Lermanator
12-04-2017, 04:31 PM
Yesterday at the German League Steffen Mengel completely freaks out after losing the Match against Jakub Dyjas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABWLviueQQ

Woah so I’m not that bad after all


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WorkerBee
12-04-2017, 05:06 PM
Time for a six-month suspension

NextLevel
12-04-2017, 05:08 PM
He should be suspended without pay for at least one match. These TT outbursts should not be rewarded.

Bollforte94
12-04-2017, 05:28 PM
Plot twist:
He gets the 45000,- $ from the ITTF which were revoked at the World Cup 2014.

WorkerBee
12-04-2017, 05:52 PM
Plot twist:
He gets the 45000,- $ from the ITTF which were revoked at the World Cup 2014.Please explain

Giangt
12-04-2017, 06:09 PM
He should be punished!

WorkerBee
12-04-2017, 07:17 PM
And the umpire should get his fine as an apology, with a written letter of apology from Steffen Mengel

Ilia Minkin
12-04-2017, 07:23 PM
The most astonishing thing is actually how umpie reacts: no emotions, absolutely nothing. "Oh a guy just kicked a towel stand out of the court right next to me, nothing happened, gotta make myself a cup of tea." Mr. Cool.

Suga D
12-04-2017, 07:44 PM
The most astonishing thing is actually how umpie reacts: no emotions, absolutely nothing. "Oh a guy just kicked a towel stand out of the court right next to me, nothing happened, gotta make myself a cup of tea." Mr. Cool.

Makes me sometimes wonder if they are actually human.
Imagine the craziest rally ever possible. Most umps i've seen won't even show any kind of emotion.
No smile, no grin, nothing, nada, nada, nada, not a frown, nothing. Zilch.

ping fun
12-04-2017, 08:01 PM
Plot twist:
He gets the 45000,- $ from the ITTF which were revoked at the World Cup 2014.

ah zhang jike's money still there ...... poor jike . Mengel can have penalty for his behavior .

Lermanator
12-04-2017, 08:38 PM
Makes me sometimes wonder if they are actually human.
Imagine the craziest rally ever possible. Most umps i've seen won't even show any kind of emotion.
No smile, no grin, nothing, nada, nada, nada, not a frown, nothing. Zilch.
I agree. The only issue is that if an ump were smile after a crazy point someone could then accuse them of favoritism. Personally, I feel a lot of umpires are pretentious losers who know nothing about the game and dress up like college professors. At a recent tournament, I was about to beat a player about 600 rating points higher than me but his serve was incredibly illegal and the umpire there did nothing and my friend coaching me complained to him and then got ejected. I ended up losing 11-8 in the 5th. Look umpires are annoying in table tennis but there bad in different ways in other sports.

Kaiwen
12-04-2017, 08:47 PM
Yesterday at the German League Steffen Mengel completely freaks out after losing the Match against Jakub Dyjas!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABWLviueQQ

Disgrace for Mengel :mad:

Lermanator
12-04-2017, 08:55 PM
I couldn't find the full match on youtube does anyone know if its on youtube somewhere?

Nuke Skywalker
12-04-2017, 09:19 PM
Oh, but make sure you shake hands...

NextLevel
12-04-2017, 09:28 PM
I agree. The only issue is that if an ump were smile after a crazy point someone could then accuse them of favoritism. Personally, I feel a lot of umpires are pretentious losers who know nothing about the game and dress up like college professors. At a recent tournament, I was about to beat a player about 600 rating points higher than me but his serve was incredibly illegal and the umpire there did nothing and my friend coaching me complained to him and then got ejected. I ended up losing 11-8 in the 5th. Look umpires are annoying in table tennis but there bad in different ways in other sports.

I have given up on complaining about illegal serves as umpires will not regulate them, especially the hidden ones.

TTLondon2012
12-04-2017, 09:43 PM
I couldn't find the full match on youtube does anyone know if its on youtube somewhere?

Sportdeutschland.tv

Lermanator
12-04-2017, 10:10 PM
Okay so I found it and watched it. Mengel got a red card when the match ended. It just seemed like a super tight match and his emotions got the best of him.

TTHopeful
12-04-2017, 10:14 PM
That's what you call losing your s**t!

Jimbob MacInbred
12-05-2017, 08:17 AM
Time for a six-month suspension


Six-month suspension? I would certainly agree with you, had the umpire been the target of his outburst. However, he was not, so let's stay reasonable. Yes, he lost his cool, no question about it. But I would think that Mengel is not really that stupid. He probably knew right in the moment he was kicking the towel box, that he would get into a little trouble. I don't know how the TTBL handles stuff like that usually. One or two games suspension and a fine, and that should be it (from my point of view). He was not the first and he won't be the last (unfortunately) to kick a towel box or the table...
More importantly however: Quite a few kids are present during these matches (as seen in the clip) and since these Bundesliga players (or pro players in general) are often seen as role models by these kids, situations like these should be communicated accordingly within the clubs (and in that case particularly within Mengel's club). Behaviour like this will not get you anywhere, aside from getting a suspension and a fine and making a fool of yourself (at least for a certain period of time). In fact, I would hate to see an increasing number of ten, twelve year old kids kicking tables, towel boxes and maybe people, thinking it might be cool or thinking they will get away with it since other people were getting away with that, too. It is of course the duty of the parents and the coaches to teach them that.
But as I said earlier: He kicked the towel box, he did not kick or kill the umpire, so let's stay reasonable and let it be (more or less)...

Baal
12-05-2017, 01:52 PM
A fine of some sort is the usual penalty.

WorkerBee
12-05-2017, 04:25 PM
Six-month suspension? I would certainly agree with you, had the umpire been the target of his outburst. However, he was not, so let's stay reasonable. Yes, he lost his cool, no question about it. But I would think that Mengel is not really that stupid. He probably knew right in the moment he was kicking the towel box, that he would get into a little trouble. I don't know how the TTBL handles stuff like that usually. One or two games suspension and a fine, and that should be it (from my point of view). He was not the first and he won't be the last (unfortunately) to kick a towel box or the table...
More importantly however: Quite a few kids are present during these matches (as seen in the clip) and since these Bundesliga players (or pro players in general) are often seen as role models by these kids, situations like these should be communicated accordingly within the clubs (and in that case particularly within Mengel's club). Behaviour like this will not get you anywhere, aside from getting a suspension and a fine and making a fool of yourself (at least for a certain period of time). In fact, I would hate to see an increasing number of ten, twelve year old kids kicking tables, towel boxes and maybe people, thinking it might be cool or thinking they will get away with it since other people were getting away with that, too. It is of course the duty of the parents and the coaches to teach them that.
But as I said earlier: He kicked the towel box, he did not kick or kill the umpire, so let's stay reasonable and let it be (more or less)...
The more I look at the clip, the more I see how dangerous that kick was. He is a fully trained professional athlete, with especially trained legs. The bottom of the towel box flew by the ump's head, the corner of the box missing his face by maybe two feet. And it turns out that the umpire had already let his violent reaction to the loss slide by not whipping out a red card when he threw his racquet across the court first. I would say the primary responsibility of game officials, above all else, is maintaining a peaceful. non-violent situation in every sport, to prevent tempers flaring into danger zones. You are even admitting that Mengel propablyknew he would only get into a little trouble, but endangered the umpire anyway. What decision would he have made in that instant if he knew he would get in serious trouble? And that is why a strong punishment is required. And let all the other sports people know about it, also as a warning.

NextLevel
12-05-2017, 04:33 PM
I would be perfectly okay with 6 months, but I would be disappointed with a small fine, what he did was very reckless and could have injured the umpire under certain circumstances. I think people who toss their rackets should get significant suspensions too as these could easily ricochet and hit someone with dire consequences.

Lermanator
12-05-2017, 05:15 PM
the ref gave mengel a red after it ended

ping fun
12-05-2017, 05:31 PM
Mengel 's kick was as strong as cristiano's kick in football . But here is not football pitch . There should be some standard and equall rule for his penalty . It shouldnt be consider in german league circle but they should consider ittf rules too . They should take action on mengel as it was on zhang jike . Even though zjk's kick wast harmful for anyone ...

logicalthinking
12-09-2017, 11:34 PM
not to defend him in anyway as it was totally unacceptable, but to me it looks like he aims the kick away from the umpire, which backs up someone’s comment about he is being aware of what he was doing by that point.

Also, to point out the towel boxes from Stiga are made of cardboard so would need much more force that his kick to cause a major injury more likely to crumple before hitting anyone

But like I said not defending him, be interesting to see what the punishment is

Konrad Bak
04-22-2018, 06:14 PM
he is banned?