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TableTennisDaily
12-11-2017, 08:03 AM
The prestigious World Tour Grand Finals sponsored by Seamaster begins on the 14th December and concludes on the 17th December. The Grand Finals is held in city of Astana, Kazakhstan with a total prize money of $1,000,000. As the year comes to a close we get to look forward to the worlds best players battle it out $100,000 in the men's and women's singles!

NOW LIVE: Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Fan Zhendong! Live streaming here: https://tv.ittf.com/livestream/ittf-world-tour-grand-finals-table-1/1052965 or Facebook below:

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The spectacular Grand Finals is fast approaching, we love this time of the year! World Number 3 Dimitrij Ovtcharov leads the Men's Singles Seedings as this event is using the World Tour Standings list. Theres a lot on stake this week, if Dimitrij Ovtcharov wins one match at the Grand Finals he will become the new world number 1!

Main Draw

Coming soon..

Live matches from the World Tour Grand Finals can be watched on the ITTF Live Streaming here. (https://tv.ittf.com/)


Men's Singles Seeds

Germany's Dimitrij Ovtcharov, the World #2 has qualified into the World Tour Grand Finals as as the #1 seed.

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Dimitrij Ovtcharov no.1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Dimitrij Ovtcharov
02) Timo Boll
03) Fan Zhendong
04) Lin Gaoyuan
05) Xu Xin
06) Tomokazu Harimoto
07) Simon Gauzy
08) Vladimir Samsonov
09) Kenta Matsudaira
10) Fang Bo
11) Koki Niwa
12) Wong Chun Ting
13) Masaki Yoshida
14) Yuya Oshima
15) Chuang Chih Yuan
16) Kirill Gerassimenko

Reserve players
17) Marcos Freitas
18) Paul Drinkhall
19) Kristian Karlsson


Women Singles Seeds

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Chen Meng enters the World Tour Grand Finals as the #1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Chen Meng
02) Wang Manyu
03) Kasumi Ishikawa
04) Mima Ito
05) Yuting Gu
06) Chen Xingtong
07) Zhu Yuling
08) Feng Tianwei
09) Sakura Mori
10) Shan Xiaona
11) Hina Hayata
12) Miu Hirano
13) Han Ying
14) Doo Hoi Kem
15) Hitomi Sato
16) Cheng I-Ching

Reserve players
17) Miyu Kato
18) Honoka Hashimoto

Here we go TT World, what a week we have in store! The recent world events have seen some epic battles with Dimitrij recently defeating Fan Zhendong and Timo Boll taking out China's Ma Long. Last years winner Ma Long will not be participating in this years World Tour Grand Finals,it's all to play for! Dima only needs to win one match and then he will go into January 2018 as the new World Number 1! Will anyone stop him, Fan Zhendong will be looking to seek revenge. Of course Timo is in fine form at the moment winning the recent T2 Grand Finals defeating Dima 3-1.

In the womens event Chen Meng leads the seedings. Will Chen go all the way? Chen Xingtong is in superb form right now having won the recent Swedish Open, a lot of players to look out for.

A fantastic event to follow, be sure to get involved on the TTD discussions.We can use this thread as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from this spectacular World Tour event! What are your predictions from each event.

TTHopeful
12-11-2017, 08:55 AM
How comes no Ma Long guys? Not played enough events?

Fabian
12-11-2017, 09:22 AM
yes, he did not play enough events.

Sali
12-11-2017, 10:04 AM
Koki Niwa or maybe Timo Boll - I hope one of them take the title.

Fabian
12-11-2017, 10:05 AM
FZD will take this one

drunix80
12-11-2017, 03:54 PM
Dima is my man for this one

WorkerBee
12-11-2017, 04:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0BH1Tjff8I
Even the Minions are going to watch!

rainneverever
12-12-2017, 09:37 PM
I think FZD will win this tine and Dima will be the new World #1.

TableTennisDaily
12-13-2017, 08:08 AM
The draw is now live!

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anchorschmidt
12-13-2017, 08:13 AM
Perhaps Timo can win. One can only hope :) I think Xu Xin actually has a pretty good chance if his RPB is as good or better than it was during the Swedish Open.

ping fun
12-13-2017, 09:18 AM
It seems Niwa Koki won give any chance to Dima to play with chinese . Nice games a head

genrel001
12-13-2017, 09:53 AM
I must say, this pool of players is exciting. No guaranteed outcome on who's gonna get the title. My best two bets are already facing on the first round, Dima and Koki.

Garrison
12-13-2017, 09:54 AM
Hopefully we will see Fan vs Boll in semis

Sali
12-13-2017, 01:54 PM
Hopefully we will see Fan vs Boll in semis
Nowadays TT is great because you never know who is going to win. I think Boll have quite easy road to semis and Lin too. Month ago I would say the same about Fan but he lost to XX who he beat easily many Times in the past.
Anyway if Timo faces Fan it will be really hard for him since Fan is very powerfull player and faster then Ovtcharov on his feet.
I still hope for Niwa-Boll final :).

ajtatosmano2
12-13-2017, 02:50 PM
This Grand final is a total mystery. If Niwa is on fire and Dima not that much, then the german star might fall. LGY might even win the event, but he might lose in the first round, he isn't as consistent as FZD or XX or even Timo. XX seems to be in a good shape, but he might be the easiest to beat from CNT for foreigners. FZD is the favourite but Dima, XX, Timo, LGY both has a chance to beat him.
:confused:

WorkerBee
12-13-2017, 03:08 PM
Round One (of 16) looks awesome.
Dima vs Koki
Kirill vs Tomo
Simon vs Bo
Yoshida vs Guoyang
Zhendong vs Chiyuan
Kenta vs Xin
Vladi vs Chuntin
Oshima vs Timo

drunix80
12-13-2017, 03:39 PM
I have no idea how Oshima and Yoshida are in the draw !!!

Zaid323918
12-13-2017, 04:31 PM
Koki Niwa please beat Dima

Michal_Z
12-13-2017, 05:08 PM
Dan in the intro post you got Dima as the world no3 and right away he is suddenly world no 2.. so is he 2 or 3? :)

Michal_Z
12-13-2017, 05:34 PM
Anyways, I could not be more happy about the men singles draw!!!
Fang Bo vs. Lin Gaoyuan as well as Fan Zhendong vs. Xu Xin early in the draw!
Possible Timo vs Fan and Dima vs. Lin, this is incredible!
I also love Kirill vs. Tomo, yes!

ajtatosmano2
12-13-2017, 05:40 PM
I have no idea how Oshima and Yoshida are in the draw !!!
They played a lot in the main draw, though they didn't get too far and I think they had good results in U21 events, I don't know if the latter has any impact.

Suga D
12-13-2017, 05:42 PM
I would love to see Dima take revenge for this years WTTC
[EMOJI2]
If he manages to win against Niwa then the No. 1 spot in WRL can't be taken away from him.

What a nice change that would be.

It's been quite a while since the last Non-Chinese took the lead.
(2011 Timo Boll!!)

ajtatosmano2
12-13-2017, 05:51 PM
By the way, Oshima shouldn't be underestimated. He beat Ovcharov two times, Vladi as well and for a period it seemed that he will be the next big name in Team Japan. Then he somehow lost his impulse, but it doesn't he he isn't dangerous. Extremely aggressive and high risk based styles can surprise the opponents.

Xylit
12-13-2017, 06:30 PM
My tips for Round One (of 16):
Dima vs Koki 4:2
Kirill vs Tomo 1:4
Simon vs Bo 3:4
Yoshida vs Guoyang 0:4
Zhendong vs Chiyuan 4:1
Kenta vs Xin 0:4
Vladi vs Chuntin 3:4
Oshima vs Timo 1:4

:)

ajtatosmano2
12-13-2017, 07:44 PM
My tips for Round One (of 16):
Dima vs Koki 4:2
Kirill vs Tomo 1:4
Simon vs Bo 3:4
Yoshida vs Guoyang 0:4
Zhendong vs Chiyuan 4:1
Kenta vs Xin 0:4
Vladi vs Chuntin 3:4
Oshima vs Timo 1:4

:)

Dima vs Koki 4:3
Kirill vs Tomo 0:4
Simon vs Bo 1:4
Yoshida vs Guoyang 1:4
Zhendong vs Chiyuan 4:2
Kenta vs Xin 2:4
Vladi vs Chuntin 1:4
Oshima vs Timo 2:4

TTHopeful
12-13-2017, 08:08 PM
If Dima doesnt win this match... this is his only chance at no.1

JesperStef
12-13-2017, 08:18 PM
Schedule for Day 1 (Thu 14 December, GMT +6):

Women's Doubles

10:00
T1 [3] Matilda Ekholm/Georgina Pota vs Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato [6]
T2 [5] Chen Szu-Yu/Cheng I-Ching vs Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4]

10:40
T1 [1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito vs Barbora Balazova/Hana Matelova [7]
T2 [8] Ng Wing Nam/Minnie Soo Wai Yam vs Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2]


Men's Doubles

11:20
T1 [4] Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth vs Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh [6]
T2 [1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura vs Robin Devos/Cedric Nuytinck [7]

12:00
T1 [5] Tomokazu Harimoto/Yuto Kizukuri vs Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2]
T2 [8] Gao Ning/Pang Xue Jie vs Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3]


Women's Singles

13:00
T1 [1] Chen Meng vs Doo Hoi Kem [14]
T2 [16] Cheng I-Ching vs Feng Tianwei [8]

13:50
T1 [5] Gu Yuting vs Miu Hirano [12]
T2 [10] Shan Xiaona vs Chen Xingtong [6]


Men's Singles

14:40
T1 [3] Fan Zhendong vs Chuang Chih-Yuan [15]
T2 [14] Yuya Oshima vs Timo Boll [2]

15:30
T1 [9] Kenta Matsudaira vs Xu Xin [5]
T2 [13] Masaki Yoshida vs Lin Gaoyuan [4]

drunix80
12-14-2017, 12:40 AM
Schedule for Day 1 (Thu 14 December):

Women's Doubles

10:00
T1 [3] Matilda Ekholm/Georgina Pota vs Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato [6]
T2 [5] Chen Szu-Yu/Cheng I-Ching vs Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4]

10:40
T1 [1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito vs Barbora Balazova/Hana Matelova [7]
T2 [8] Ng Wing Nam/Minnie Soo Wai Yam vs Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2]


Men's Doubles

11:20
T1 [4] Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth vs Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh [6]
T2 [1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura vs Robin Devos/Cedric Nuytinck [7]

12:00
T1 [5] Tomokazu Harimoto/Yuto Kizukuri vs Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2]
T2 [8] Gao Ning/Pang Xue Jie vs Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3]


Women's Singles

13:00
T1 [1] Chen Meng vs Doo Hoi Kem [14]
T2 [16] Cheng I-Ching vs Feng Tianwei [8]

13:50
T1 [5] Gu Yuting vs Miu Hirano [12]
T2 [10] Shan Xiaona vs Chen Xingtong [6]


Men's Singles

14:40
T1 [3] Fan Zhendong vs Chuang Chih-Yuan [15]
T2 [14] Yuya Oshima vs Timo Boll [2]

15:30
T1 [9] Kenta Matsudaira vs Xu Xin [5]
T2 [13] Masaki Yoshida vs Lin Gaoyuan [4]



Really appreciate posting the match schedule for everyone's benefit. Incredible work !!

Fabian
12-14-2017, 07:46 AM
ESPN is showing this live, the quality is amazing, beautiful HD with 60 fps!

Musa
12-14-2017, 07:52 AM
ESPN is showing this live, the quality is amazing, beautiful HD with 60 fps!

Please share the live link

Fabian
12-14-2017, 07:58 AM
Please share the live link

ESPN is pay tv, I have a subscription.

xuxinpower
12-14-2017, 08:05 AM
CCTV is streaming table 1 ...
http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/cctv-5

Fabian
12-14-2017, 08:22 AM
woa, Miu Hirano with a faulty serve at 9:10 in the 7th set...

TTHopeful
12-14-2017, 08:28 AM
I wonder what blade FZD will be using this time around....

Fabian
12-14-2017, 08:29 AM
Viscaria it is

cayenne
12-14-2017, 08:51 AM
Back to stiga

Fabian
12-14-2017, 08:52 AM
yeah, back to a Stiga handle :D

Garrison
12-14-2017, 09:27 AM
Kenta vs XX let's go!

drunix80
12-14-2017, 10:09 AM
Wish Kenta put up a more decent fight !!

JesperStef
12-14-2017, 11:14 AM
Results from Day 1 (Thu 14 December):

Men's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Koki Niwa [11]
[16] Kirill Gerassimenko vs Tomokazu Harimoto [6]

[7] Simon Gauzy vs Fang Bo [10]
[13] Masaki Yoshida 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan [4] (4:11, 1:11, 6:11, 7:11)

[3] Fan Zhendong 4:2 Chuang Chih-Yuan [15] (17:15, 8:11, 12:10, 8:11, 11:5, 11:6)
[9] Kenta Matsudaira 0:4 Xu Xin [5] (6:11, 8:11, 9:11, 8:11)

[8] Vladimir Samsonov vs Wong Chun Ting [12]
[14] Yuya Oshima 2:4 Timo Boll [2] (6:11, 11:8, 11:3, 10:12, 8:11, 6:11)


Women's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Chen Meng 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem [14] (11:5, 11:8, 11:6, 8:11, 9:11, 11:8)
[16] Cheng I-Ching 1:4 Feng Tianwei [8] (9:11, 11:7, 15:17, 5:11, 8:11)

[5] Gu Yuting 4:3 Miu Hirano [12] (11:5, 11:6, 10:12, 11:8, 9:11, 12:14, 11:9)
[13] Han Ying vs Kasumi Ishikawa [3]

[10] Shan Xiaona 1:4 Chen Xingtong [6] (2:11, 6:11, 10:12, 11:5, 10:12)
[4] Mima Ito vs Sakura Mori [9]

[7] Zhu Yuling vs Hina Hayata [11]
[15] Hitomi Sato vs Wang Manyu [2]


Men's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura 3:0 Robin Devos/Cedric Nuytinck [7] (11:9, 11:6, 11:7)
[8] Gao Ning/Pang Xue Jie 0:3 Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3] (4:11, 2:11, 11:13)

[4] Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth 1:3 Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh [6] (7:11, 7:11, 11:3, 9:11)
[5] Tomokazu Harimoto/Yuto Kizukuri 2:3 Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2] (11:8, 9:11, 10:12, 11:8, 8:11)


Women's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito 3:1 Barbora Balazova/Hana Matelova [7] (11:9, 11:6, 11:13, 11:5)
[5] Chen Szu-Yu/Cheng I-Ching 1:3 Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4] (8:11, 7:11, 11:4, 11:13)

[3] Matilda Ekholm/Georgina Pota 1:3 Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato [6] (6:11, 9:11, 11:8, 7:11)
[8] Ng Wing Nam/Minnie Soo Wai Yam 0:3 Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2] (3:11, 4:11, 7:11)

Suga D
12-14-2017, 11:55 AM
If Dima doesnt win this match... this is his only chance at no.1

not really. Fan Zhendong has to win the whole tournament to become No.1

Michal_Z
12-14-2017, 12:12 PM
not really. Fan Zhendong has to win the whole tournament to become No.1

And maybe Xu Xin can beat him next round :)

Zaid323918
12-14-2017, 01:21 PM
I don't know why but I just don't want Dima as world number 1. Mainly because there's a player called Ma Long.

Simas
12-14-2017, 01:50 PM
not really. Fan Zhendong has to win the whole tournament to become No.1

Yes. Exactly. https://www.ittf.com/2017/12/12/one-match-number-one/

Suga D
12-14-2017, 02:55 PM
I don't know why but I just don't want Dima as world number 1. Mainly because there's a player called Ma Long.

Well, that might be your personal reasons, and I´m quite sure you´re not the only one feeling this way, which is totally fine fo me, but I think Dima should take the no. 1 spot just to prove how hard work beats talent on a regular! PERIOD!
[Emoji6]

Personally i would love to see Zhang JiKe up there, but my wishful thinking isn´t what i would call being realistic.

RidTheKid
12-14-2017, 04:46 PM
Has anyone worked harder than Ma Long though? ;)


Well, that might be your personal reasons, and I´m quite sure you´re not the only one feeling this way, which is totally fine fo me, but I think Dima should take the no. 1 spot just to prove how hard work beats talent on a regular! PERIOD!
[Emoji6]

Personally i would love to see Zhang JiKe up there, but my wishful thinking isn´t what i would call being realistic.

Suga D
12-14-2017, 05:00 PM
I think both of them deserve to be called “working horse“
;)

Dan
12-14-2017, 05:05 PM
This sure is an exciting event! Lots on offer, hard to predict who will win each match. Dima vs Koki is a big one tomorrow! Koki Niwa is a dangerous player, however I think Dima will hold him off 4-2. Last week at the T2 event, Dima was training twice a day in the lead up to this event. He wants that number 1 spot bad!

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JesperStef
12-14-2017, 09:06 PM
Schedule for Day 2 (Fri 15 December GMT +6):

Women's Doubles

10:00
T1 [6] Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato vs Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2]
T2 [1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito vs Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4]


Men's Doubles

10:40
T1 [6] Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh vs Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2]
T2 [1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura vs Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3]


Women's Singles

13:00
T1 [13] Han Ying vs Kasumi Ishikawa [3]
T2 [15] Hitomi Sato vs Wang Manyu [2]

13:50
T1 [7] Zhu Yuling vs Hina Hayata [11]
T2 [4] Mima Ito vs Sakura Mori [9]


Men's Singles

14:40
T1 [1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Koki Niwa [11]
T2 [8] Vladimir Samsonov vs Wong Chun Ting [12]

15:30
T1 [16] Kirill Gerassimenko vs Tomokazu Harimoto [6]
T2 [7] Simon Gauzy vs Fang Bo [10]


Singles quarter-finals

18:00
T1 [1] Chen Meng vs Feng Tianwei [8]

18:50
T1 [3] Fan Zhendong vs Xu Xin [5]

19:40
T1 [5] Gu Yuting vs (Han Ying or Kasumi Ishikawa)

20:30
T1 (Vladimir Samsonov or Wong Chun Ting) vs Timo Boll [2]

ILoveTT
12-14-2017, 09:40 PM
Vladi vs Timo would be a nice QF match..

WorkerBee
12-15-2017, 01:30 AM
According to ITTV streaming, the matches continue at 11 pm tonight, New York time, six and a half hours later for Dima

TTHopeful
12-15-2017, 05:35 AM
So 2 hours time is dima vs koki?

Tony's Table Tennis
12-15-2017, 06:02 AM
I don't know why but I just don't want Dima as world number 1. Mainly because there's a player called Ma Long.

I'm afraid Ma Long no matter what will loose is number 1 ranking

Musa
12-15-2017, 07:19 AM
Can someone help with where or how I can access the live streaming for the grand finals. Here in Africa I am not able to access the ITTV stream or laola.. please

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-15-2017, 07:23 AM
Hina HAYATA is dominating ZHU Yuling in Game 1 & 2.
I've never seen her playing so well. Actually I feel she's copying ZYL BH technique a bit, always trying to go to the ball

EDIT1: HAYATA couldn't maintain her form, and broke mentally in game 3 & 4 despite leading both 7-6.

ZYL now 3-2 ahead and it looks like it will be China the winner again

EDIT2: nope ! HAYATA being behind feels less pressure in the 6th and her game is flowing again, she takes it 11-9 and extends ZYL to a decider !

EDIT3: as usual ZYL wins... boring result. But it was a strong challenge by HAYATA.

xuxinpower
12-15-2017, 08:20 AM
http://chaochaolive.icntv.xyz/channel/sports/cctv-5 this is showing table one at the moment, dima koki

TableTennisDaily
12-15-2017, 08:27 AM
NOW LIVE! Koki Niwa vs Dima! If Dima wins this he will become the new World Number 1 in January!

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Garrison
12-15-2017, 08:27 AM
Niwa hand switch! :D That looked awkward

cayenne
12-15-2017, 08:29 AM
Koki 4-0 was mu prediction :)

TTHopeful
12-15-2017, 08:44 AM
Koki Niwa 2-1 Ovtcharov

TTHopeful
12-15-2017, 08:45 AM
If Dima loses... and Fan Zhendong does not win tournament... does dima still go to number 1?

yoass
12-15-2017, 08:47 AM
Koki Niwa 2-1 Ovtcharov

Tough match so far! Dima really needs to give his all if he’s going to earn that #1 spot.

Garrison
12-15-2017, 08:54 AM
Vladi nooo! :(

yoass
12-15-2017, 09:11 AM
And a nailbiter it is. Dima ties it to 3-3.

Fabian
12-15-2017, 09:16 AM
Go Koki Niwa!

yoass
12-15-2017, 09:17 AM
Aaaand Dima is #1!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-15-2017, 09:41 AM
Aaaand Dima is #1!
#1 in the stupid ITTF ranking system. Everybody knows the real number one is MA Long

yoass
12-15-2017, 09:56 AM
#1 in the stupid ITTF ranking system. Everybody knows the real number one is MA Long

No argument there. Yet it's quite hard to keep a clear distinction in writing and speech between the real #1 and the fake ITTF #1.

Still, quite a feat for Dima, even if he's no Ma Long (HAAAARIMOTOOOOOOOOOOOO!).

Michal_Z
12-15-2017, 10:01 AM
Right, no matter who really the best player is, it is a great achievement for Dima!
How long Xu Xin was the number 1 in the world?
And when anyone really thought he is the best player?
I never ever considered Xu Xin as best player, yet he was world number one for some time.
So this is nothing new, that the best player in the world is not ranked 1.
So lets not take it from him, respect to Ovtcharov!

WorkerBee
12-15-2017, 10:10 AM
What happens if Tomo beats Dima? I don't think he will this year, but point and position wise, what would happen? They play each other next in the bracket. I think Kirill will do so much better with tactical coaching. and unfortunately, Tomo was hunting for bear.

SFF_lib
12-15-2017, 11:11 AM
Wow two very nerve-racking matches. Dimi vs Niwa and Samosonov vs Wong. Nice to watch.

Feels like Wong's RPB has become more consistent. His footwork seems to be faster too.

ping fun
12-15-2017, 11:53 AM
#1 in the stupid ITTF ranking system. Everybody knows the real number one is MA Long

Yes dima really doesnt play like number 1 , He doesnt look like a player to be 1 in ranking . Not logical .
At least in europeans timo give the feeling of number 1 but dima is about 4 or 5 to be honest :p

ping fun
12-15-2017, 12:07 PM
Schedule for Day 2 (Fri 15 December GMT +6):

Women's Doubles

10:00
T1 [6] Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato vs Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2]
T2 [1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito vs Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4]


Men's Doubles

10:40
T1 [6] Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh vs Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2]
T2 [1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura vs Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3]


Women's Singles

13:00
T1 [13] Han Ying vs Kasumi Ishikawa [3]
T2 [15] Hitomi Sato vs Wang Manyu [2]

13:50
T1 [7] Zhu Yuling vs Hina Hayata [11]
T2 [4] Mima Ito vs Sakura Mori [9]


Men's Singles

14:40
T1 [1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Koki Niwa [11]
T2 [8] Vladimir Samsonov vs Wong Chun Ting [12]

15:30
T1 [16] Kirill Gerassimenko vs Tomokazu Harimoto [6]
T2 [7] Simon Gauzy vs Fang Bo [10]


Singles quarter-finals

18:00
T1 [1] Chen Meng vs Feng Tianwei [8]

18:50
T1 [3] Fan Zhendong vs Xu Xin [5]

19:40
T1 [5] Gu Yuting vs (Han Ying or Kasumi Ishikawa)

20:30
T1 (Vladimir Samsonov or Wong Chun Ting) vs Timo Boll [2]



Would you please update the results??

Xylit
12-15-2017, 12:29 PM
Am I mistaken or have FZD's serves improved A LOT?!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-15-2017, 12:32 PM
FZD crushes XX 4-1. So much power.
this match was 2 or 3 levels above any other match so far in the tournament. Incredible power and speed in the rallies

brodolio
12-15-2017, 12:34 PM
Xu Xin is out! FZD is in great shape, he defeated XX even if he played very well..
If Timo wins the next match, the semi final will be FZD vs Timo. I can't wait to see the match!

Julien Jo Bieganski
12-15-2017, 12:37 PM
Very impressive win for FZD.
Very aggressive and powerful as ever.

brodolio
12-15-2017, 12:39 PM
Dima seems to be not in his best condition..But let's see what happens next.
Again, if Timo wins against WCT (which he should), the semi final will be an amazing match

RidTheKid
12-15-2017, 12:40 PM
And it's also obvious that XX has improved his bh and is getting more power overall from his new blade. A much needed development for him.


FZD crushes XX 4-1. So much power.
this match was 2 or 3 levels above any other match so far in the tournament. Incredible power and speed in the rallies

brodolio
12-15-2017, 12:49 PM
BTW, was Fang Bo using the Viscaria?And FZD the Stiga Carbonado?So Chinese players again switched blades..
It seems wierd to me, I mean, how fast can you adapt to a blade?

Suga D
12-15-2017, 01:03 PM
....He doesnt look like a player to be 1 in ranking . Not Logical...
:p

Not sure if looks should decide who is No. 1.
I mean ZJK looks and behaves like a superstar but his results and recent performances rather looks like something else...
[Emoji12]

ping fun
12-15-2017, 01:10 PM
Not sure if looks should decide who is No. 1.
I mean ZJK looks and behaves like a superstar but his recent performance rather looks like something else...
[Emoji12]

Haha . Nice . I meant his game not his face but i didnt write completely .. not your fault ;)

Zaid323918
12-15-2017, 01:14 PM
It'll be weird if Fan wins over Dima in the final like this is how you show the world your number 1

Zaid323918
12-15-2017, 01:26 PM
BTW, was Fang Bo using the Viscaria?And FZD the Stiga Carbonado?So Chinese players again switched blades..
It seems wierd to me, I mean, how fast can you adapt to a blade?

FZD is back to using his Viscaria with the Stiga Infinity handle. As for Fang Bo yeah he's using Viscaria too

UpSideDownCarl
12-15-2017, 02:20 PM
BTW, was Fang Bo using the Viscaria?And FZD the Stiga Carbonado?So Chinese players again switched blades..
It seems wierd to me, I mean, how fast can you adapt to a blade?

Guys at that level really can adapt to new equipment relatively fast even if they decide they don't like the new equipment and wind up switching back like FZD.

If you trained 6 hours a day, 6 days a week, one week of training = 36 hours of time getting used to the new equipment. For me, 10-12 hours of playing with something new is often enough for me to play comfortably with something totally new even if the switch is a big one.

For FZD at least, he is really just going back to his old setup and getting used to his original Viscaria with Infinity handle.

jawien
12-15-2017, 02:29 PM
For FZD at least, he is really just going back to his old setup and getting used to his original Viscaria with Infinity handle.

So he never really played with infinity?

NextLevel
12-15-2017, 02:38 PM
Right, no matter who really the best player is, it is a great achievement for Dima!
How long Xu Xin was the number 1 in the world?
And when anyone really thought he is the best player?
I never ever considered Xu Xin as best player, yet he was world number one for some time.
So this is nothing new, that the best player in the world is not ranked 1.
So lets not take it from him, respect to Ovtcharov!

I love this post. It is important to keep this perspective.

When Ma Long was #1 before 2012, many Chinese legends felt so what, he wasn't the best player and that Wang Hao was better because he had no majors. Dima has won one of 2 majors played this year, most of the top tournaments and still gets no respect.

NextLevel
12-15-2017, 02:40 PM
So he never really played with infinity?

Isn't it painfully obvious?

UpSideDownCarl
12-15-2017, 02:41 PM
Yes dima really doesnt play like number 1 , He doesnt look like a player to be 1 in ranking . Not logical .
At least in europeans timo give the feeling of number 1 but dima is about 4 or 5 to be honest :p


Not sure if looks should decide who is No. 1.
I mean ZJK looks and behaves like a superstar but his results and recent performances rather looks like something else...
[Emoji12]


Haha . Nice . I meant his game not his face but i didnt write completely .. not your fault ;)

Come on. ZJK is much prettier than Dima. Especially when modeling. Of course he should be number 1.

Just listen to what Muhammad Ali has to say at 1:43:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyhqZNcF9pM&t=60s

brodolio
12-15-2017, 03:09 PM
Come on. ZJK is much prettier than Dima. Especially when modeling. Of course he should be number 1.

Just listen to what Muhammad Ali has to say at 1:43:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyhqZNcF9pM&t=60s
Listening Alì, it's clear from whom Connor McGregor took inspiration :P

Back to TT : Dima probably is not the prettier player around, but hey, at least he is the one with the hottest wife! ;)

rainneverever
12-15-2017, 03:11 PM
When Ma Long was WR #1 before 2012, he had beaten all previous #1 including Wang Hao, Wang Liqin, Ma Lin, Timo Boll (Ma Long first beat Timo Boll in 2005) multiple times and led in most h2h. Do you know that the current #1 Ma Long and the new #1 Dimitrij Ovtcharov have played 14 times and the h2h is 14-0?
I am not saying Dima does not deserve the new #1. But under the old ranking system, even he beat Fan Zhendong again and won Grand Finals, he would not be ranked #1.


I love this post. It is important to keep this perspective.

When Ma Long was #1 before 2012, many Chinese legends felt so what, he wasn't the best player and that Wang Hao was better because he had no majors. Dima has won one of 2 majors played this year, most of the top tournaments and still gets no respect.

NextLevel
12-15-2017, 03:27 PM
When Ma Long was WR #1 before 2012, he had beaten all previous #1 including Wang Hao, Wang Liqin, Ma Lin, Timo Boll (Ma Long first beat Timo Boll in 2005) multiple times and led in most h2h. Do you know that the current #1 Ma Long and the new #1 Dimitrij Ovtcharov have played 14 times and the h2h is 14-0?
I am not saying Dima does not deserve the new #1. But under the old ranking system, even he beat Fan Zhendong again and won Grand Finals, he would not be ranked #1.
Since you are a Ma Long friends and family member I am sure this post is your obligation.

Dima has beaten every player he has played this year. He cannot apologize for not beating players who are injured or not playing or who are protesting or players who are not playing the events he is playing in.

Wang Tao and Liu Guoliang were two of the players who pointed out amongst many that until Ma Long had won a major he hadn't done anything. Beating past #1s is cool, but Ma Long was a choker and was just a tournament performer. He would continue to choke vs Wang Hao on big occasions for a few more years. Who knows, if Wang Hao was still playing today, Ma Long may have no titles. After this was pointed out Ma Long still went on to lose to Wang Hao. For some reason Zhang Jike didn't have this problem. And he was wasn't beating everyone so it says something.

Ilia Minkin
12-15-2017, 03:34 PM
Come on, we all know that Waldner should be #1 forever. Let's send a petition to ITTF, it is such a shame that anyone except JO can be at the top of the list.

rainneverever
12-15-2017, 04:00 PM
As you said, if Dima did not play ML in a tournament and win the champion, his achievement should not be taken away. Following your logic, why you think ML's titles should be affected whether WH was retired or not? ML had beaten WH in Grand Finals, Asian Games, China National Games, many ITTF tours and so on. They never played at the same time in Olympic Games and World Cup. And at WTTC, ML lost three times to WH in SF, you can call him a choker but apparently ML did not have an overwhelming advantage over WH as he had to Dima and I don't see why people should expect him to beat WH every time. Also ML and WH were drawn into the same half of WTTC every time since 2007 while WH and ZJK were drawn into the opposite half of WTTC every time. Something magic. And if you take LGL's words so seriously, he said WH was technically better than ZJK and ML is more talented than WH and ZJK. Then WH shall be a bigger choker than ML as he lost to ZJK in 4 majors.

Back to my points, if Dima had beaten ML before, there will be fewer arguments about his new #1. Just like if FZD gets the new #1, people will not be surprised because he has beaten all top players.

Edit: My bad, WH and ML were in the same World Cup once in 2008 but in opposite half and Timo Boll beat ML in SF and lost to WH in F.


Since you are a Ma Long friends and family member I am sure this post is your obligation.

Dima has beaten every player he has played this year. He cannot apologize for not beating players who are injured or not playing or who are protesting or players who are not playing the events he is playing in.

Wang Tao and Liu Guoliang were two of the players who pointed out amongst many that until Ma Long had won a major he hadn't done anything. Beating past #1s is cool, but Ma Long was a choker and was just a tournament performer. He would continue to choke vs Wang Tao on big occasions for a few more years. Who knows, if Wang Hao was still playing today, Ma Long may have no titles. After this was pointed out Ma Long still went on to lose to Wang Hao. For some reason Zhang Jike didn't have this problem. And he was wasn't beating everyone so it says something.

rainneverever
12-15-2017, 04:06 PM
My bad, WH and ML were in the same World Cup once in 2008 but in opposite half and Timo Boll beat ML in SF and lost to WH in F.

NextLevel
12-15-2017, 04:08 PM
As you said, if Dima did not play ML in a tournament and win the champion, his achievement should not be taken away. Following your logic, why you think ML's titles should be affected whether WH was retired or not? ML had beaten WH in Grand Finals, Asian Games, China National Games, many ITTF tours and so on. They never played at the same time in Olympic Games and World Cup. And at WTTC, ML lost three times to WH in SF, you can call him a choker but apparently ML did not have an overwhelming advantage over WH as he had to Dima and I don't see why people should expect him to beat WH every time. Also ML and WH were drawn into the same half of WTTC every time since 2007 while WH and ZJK were drawn into the opposite half of WTTC every time. Something magic. And if you take LGL's words so seriously, he said WH was technically better than ZJK and ML is more talented than WH and ZJK. Then WH shall be a bigger choker than ML as he lost to ZJK in 4 majors.

Back to my points, if Dima had beaten ML before, there will be fewer arguments about his new #1. Just like if FZD gets the new #1, people will not be surprised because he has beaten all top players.

My arguments are not serious arguments, my arguments are because you are acting like anyone saying something about Ma Long is the devil. Take a chill pill.

Dima hadn't beating Fan Zhendong before they played last month, so whose fault is it that Dima hasn't played Ma Long this year? Before Ma Long lost to Timo Boll this year, Timo Boll had not beaten Ma Long in 7 years. So what is to say that Dima can't beat Ma Long today? Or would not have beaten him if they had played in World Cup?

rainneverever
12-15-2017, 04:09 PM
BTW, I think Dima had a great year in 2017 but he did not beat every player he faced this year. Like Koki Niwa in WTTC. Not to mention many others.

NextLevel
12-15-2017, 04:10 PM
BTW, I think Dima had a great year in 2017 but he did not beat every player he faced this year. Like Koki Niwa in WTTC. Not to mention many others.

He beat Koki Niwa yesterday/today. Case closed.

rainneverever
12-15-2017, 04:18 PM
And my point is also clear, Dima's #1 is only under new ranking system not under the old one. Under the old ranking system, Dima will be ranked #2 or #3 for a while and that's a very good indication of his level of recent performance, with fewer doubts or arguments.


My arguments are not serious arguments, my arguments are because you are acting like anyone saying something about Ma Long is the devil. Take a chill pill.

Dima hadn't beating Fan Zhendong before they played last month, so whose fault is it that Dima hasn't played Ma Long this year? Before Ma Long lost to Timo Boll this year, Timo Boll had not beaten Ma Long in 7 years. So what is to say that Dima can't beat Ma Long today? Or would not have beaten him if they had played in World Cup?

Jimbob MacInbred
12-15-2017, 04:30 PM
Come on, we all know that Waldner should be #1 forever. Let's send a petition to ITTF, it is such a shame that anyone except JO can be at the top of the list.


I just HAD to give this one a like...
But yes, the ITTF should probably treat Waldner just as the NBA treats MJ...;)

Suga D
12-15-2017, 04:41 PM
Koki 4-0 was mu prediction :)

Spot on! Maybe try to play Lotto
[Emoji23]

NextLevel
12-15-2017, 04:53 PM
And my point is also clear, Dima's #1 is only under new ranking system not under the old one. Under the old ranking system, Dima will be ranked #2 or #3 for a while and that's a very good indication of his level of recent performance, with fewer doubts or arguments.

People just have fewer doubts and arguments about what they are used to. Everyone knows that in every sport, #1 in the world is not always the same as the best player in the world. But getting to #1 ranking is usually an achievement to celebrate regardless. When Timo Boll was #1 in the world in 2011, did anyone consider him the best player in the world? Others have given the example of Xu Xin - the bonus points for winning events could be manipulated by attendance in the past.

Dima is the world #1. People should stop acting as if he committed a crime.

OKay - I will let you have the last word. Back to Grand Finals.

ping fun
12-15-2017, 04:56 PM
Come on. ZJK is much prettier than Dima. Especially when modeling. Of course he should be number 1.

Just listen to what Muhammad Ali has to say at 1:43:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyhqZNcF9pM&t=60s

Come on i didnt say such a thing .. haha .. why whatever i say every one connect it with zjk ??;) zjk has been number 1 which deserved that and its was real . But what i said about dima really wasnt about looks . I mesnt his game . I hope he get this grand final and this number 1 fits him more

Garrison
12-15-2017, 06:16 PM
Boll vs Fan :eek:

WorkerBee
12-15-2017, 06:18 PM
Round One (of 16) looks awesome.
Dima vs Koki
Kirill vs Tomo
Simon vs Bo
Yoshida vs Guoyang
Zhendong vs Chiyuan
Kenta vs Xin
Vladi vs Chuntin
Oshima vs Timo

Round of 8:
Dima vs Tomo
Bo vs Guoyuan
Zhendong (w) vs Xin
Chuntin vs Timo (w)

ajtatosmano2
12-15-2017, 07:28 PM
Round of 8:
Dima vs Tomo
Bo vs Guoyuan
Zhendong (w) vs Xin
Chuntin vs Timo (w)

what? FZD and Timo are wounded? what a shame, i hope it's not serious.


I am rooting for FB and Tomo, though they have less chance on paper

cfagyal
12-15-2017, 07:54 PM
what? FZD and Timo are wounded? what a shame, i hope it's not serious.


I am rooting for FB and Tomo, though they have less chance on paper

No their quarterfinal match was today and they won. Fan won 4-0, Timo won 4-2. The other quarterfinals are played on Saturday.

JesperStef
12-15-2017, 10:32 PM
Results from Day 2 (Thu 14 December):

Men's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:3 Koki Niwa [11] (10:12, 11:6, 12:14, 11:6, 9:11, 11:9, 11:5)
[16] Kirill Gerassimenko 0:4 Tomokazu Harimoto [6] (9:11, 6:11, 5:11, 13:15)

[7] Simon Gauzy 0:4 Fang Bo [10] (6:11, 8:11, 8:11, 7:11)
[13] Masaki Yoshida 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan [4] (4:11, 1:11, 6:11, 7:11)

[3] Fan Zhendong 4:2 Chuang Chih-Yuan [15] (17:15, 8:11, 12:10, 8:11, 11:5, 11:6)
[9] Kenta Matsudaira 0:4 Xu Xin [5] (6:11, 8:11, 9:11, 8:11)

[8] Vladimir Samsonov 3:4 Wong Chun Ting [12] (3:11, 10:12, 11:9, 11:13, 11:4, 11:8, 9:11)
[14] Yuya Oshima 2:4 Timo Boll [2] (6:11, 11:8, 11:3, 10:12, 8:11, 6:11)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Tomokazu Harimoto [6]
[10] Fang Bo vs Lin Gaoyuan [4]

[3] Fan Zhendong 4:1 Xu Xin [5] (11:6, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 12:10)
[12] Wong Chun Ting 2:4 Timo Boll [2] (11:4, 8:11, 11:9, 3:11, 9:11, 3:11)


Women's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Chen Meng 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem [14] (11:5, 11:8, 11:6, 8:11, 9:11, 11:8)
[16] Cheng I-Ching 1:4 Feng Tianwei [8] (9:11, 11:7, 15:17, 5:11, 8:11)

[5] Gu Yuting 4:3 Miu Hirano [12] (11:5, 11:6, 10:12, 11:8, 9:11, 12:14, 11:9)
[13] Han Ying 2:4 Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (3:11, 9:11, 11:9, 12:10, 6:11, 4:11),

[4] Mima Ito 4:2 Sakura Mori [9] (11:8, 11:8, 11:7, 8:11, 5:11, 11:5)
[10] Shan Xiaona 1:4 Chen Xingtong [6] (2:11, 6:11, 10:12, 11:5, 10:12)

[7] Zhu Yuling 4:3 Hina Hayata [11] (9:11, 4:11, 11:8, 11:8, 11:5, 9:11, 11:7)
[15] Hitomi Sato 1:4 Wang Manyu [2] (6:11, 6:11, 7:11, 11:8, 10:12)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Chen Meng 4:0 Feng Tianwei [8] (11:4, 11:8, 11:6, 11:3)
[5] Gu Yuting 4:2 Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (6:11, 11:9, 11:8, 11:6, 6:11, 11:4)

[4] Mima Ito vs Chen Xingtong [6]
[7] Zhu Yuling vs Wang Manyu [2]


Men's Doubles

Semi-finals:

[6] Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh 2:4 Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2] (5:11, 7:11, 12:10, 14:12, 8:11, 5:11)
[1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura 3:4 Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3] (11:4, 3:11, 11:13, 11:3, 11:7, 10:12, 9:11)


Women's Doubles

Semi-finals:

[6] Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato 0:4 Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2] (12:14, 4:11, 9:11, 8:11)
[1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4] (8:11, 11:6, 9:11, 12:10, 11:9, 16:14)

berndtjgmann
12-16-2017, 01:14 AM
Joo Se Hyuk, as a write-in vote to win the 2017 Grand Tour Championships, but since he isn't entered his chances don't look too good. Bummer. I happen to have a sneaking fondness for defense intermingled with selective attack.

Greetings to members of the TableTennisDaily forum. My name is Berndt Mann, and I shall be posting under the Internet nom de plume berndtjgmann. I am 75 years old, plunging headlong toward 76, and live in Tucson, Arizona in the American southwest.

I may be one of the very very few posters to any table tennis forum who began learning how to play table tennis competitively with an old fashioned hard rubber racket back in 1961. At that time I was living in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, and while a total novice to table tennis whose main athletic aspiration was to become a varsity tennis player for Cleveland Heights High School, at a tt club in the nearby suburb of South Euclid I met a Hungarian player named Danny Vegh, who was considering opening a table tennis club in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. In 1961 he did.

From 1961 to 1964 I worked at Mr. Vegh's club making sandwiches, passing out cold soft drinks, and keeping an eye on the goings on at the pool tables in the club to ensure that no gambling or hustling was taking place. This was from noon until around 6:00 in the evening, when Mr. Vegh, a Hungarian junior champion, six time Ohio state singles champion, and two time U.S. Open Doubles champion with partner Emory Lippai would come to the club from his job and give me lessons for free as I was working for him for free.

This was in the twilight of the hardbat era in the United States, and Danny Vegh, though not a coach as today's coaches are, gave me instruction first in the basic defensive strokes and techniques of that day--the backhand block, backhand and forehand pushes, backhand and forehand chops, and topspin and underspin services and where and at what speed and depth to place them. He also taught me side to side footwork, up and back footwork, the back footwork using a step/slide manner so that when chopping from mid-distance or long distance I could learn to cover a lot of territory with maximum efficiency. Then there was the mad dash back toward the table to push back a short push or counter drop a drop shot.

It was not until 1964 that he showed me the forehand and backhand topspin drives, and the forehand and backhand drop shots. Mr. Vegh is now 84 years old, and owns several bowling and pool equipment stores in tbe Cleveland and Akron, Ohio areas.

Since then I've received instruction from other well-known coaches, who helped me play as well an attacking plus chops game with inverted rubber. Later on I should give due credit to these gentlemen, but this is a slightly long introductory post.

But since Joo won't be around to drag home the swag, I would not mind one bit if Timo Boll would win the whole enchilada or at least go down fighting as the table tennis warrior I have seen.

Cheers to all,

berndtjgmann

drunix80
12-16-2017, 05:12 AM
What if and if Tomo takes down Dima !!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-16-2017, 08:58 AM
Hopefully Harimoto wins 4-0 against Dima

TableTennisDaily
12-16-2017, 09:08 AM
Harimoto vs Dimitirj Ovtcharov! Big match!

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Konrad Bak
12-16-2017, 09:22 AM
tomo chooing, dima and his sharapova's screaming= instant Mute


if Tomokazu will handle dima's serves 4:3 for him.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-16-2017, 09:30 AM
incredible level

Harimoto is improving fast, he's got some serious power now

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-16-2017, 09:49 AM
3 sets all !!!! wow !!! in the sixth game suddenly Dima is losing it mentally
if he doesn't recover , he will lose to Harimoto .... its 50/50 now !!!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-16-2017, 09:57 AM
arfffff Dima won it 4-3.... so disappointing :-(

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 09:58 AM
Tomo is such an extraordinary talent. It's scary how good he can become in like 5 years from now. Not impressed with the World #1.

yoass
12-16-2017, 10:30 AM
Tomo is such an extraordinary talent. It's scary how good he can become in like 5 years from now. Not impressed with the World #1.

Sorry, but these words seem contradictory to me.

Sadly I haven’t yet seen the match. I’ll gladly believe it witnesses extraordinary play by Harimoto. I’ll also believe it’s possible that Ovtcharov has games in which he doesn’t meet his usual standard. I have a hard time believing that a match in which Dima is so-so and Tomo is on fire will work out to this result.

So I suspect you may be misplacing the bar for at least one. Could that be true?

ronz91
12-16-2017, 10:30 AM
what are the current timeline expectations on Harimoto? do we compare to FZD who was basically 2nd best player in the world by the time he was 17.

WorkerBee
12-16-2017, 10:31 AM
...Not impressed with the World #1.Seriously???? Dima played magnificently!!!! In fact all the players in this event have been playing with rarely seen power and beauty.

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 10:36 AM
Dima got shaken up in ways I haven't seen from a previous #1. He made some very strange decisions. Surely it's also thanks to Tomos skills and smarts but Dima started backing off and playing weirdly inconfident soft returns for Tomo to 3rd ball kill.


Seriously???? Dima played magnificently!!!! In fact all the players in this event have been playing with rarely seen power and beauty.

brodolio
12-16-2017, 10:51 AM
Seriously???? Dima played magnificently!!!! In fact all the players in this event have been playing with rarely seen power and beauty.
I totally agree.
Dima did a great job, high risky shots almost everytime. Some mistakes here and there but overall a good perfomance.
I honestly saw a true champion, always in control. Harimoto was on fire, but still wasn't enough to beat Dima.
I cant wait to see the semi finals!!

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 10:52 AM
When does the next round start?

brodolio
12-16-2017, 11:01 AM
My prediction for next matches :
FZD will (sadly) deafeat Timo. I think right now FZD is close to be unbeatable..
I think also Dima will win against LG. So to me, the final is Dima vs FZD :)

ajtatosmano2
12-16-2017, 11:01 AM
No their quarterfinal match was today and they won. Fan won 4-0, Timo won 4-2. The other quarterfinals are played on Saturday.

Ok, I was a little tired. I know it's injury, just in hungarian we use the same word for both.

cayenne
12-16-2017, 11:12 AM
Lgy will make it easily,4-1

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 11:38 AM
Sorry, but these words seem contradictory to me.

Sadly I haven’t yet seen the match. I’ll gladly believe it witnesses extraordinary play by Harimoto. I’ll also believe it’s possible that Ovtcharov has games in which he doesn’t meet his usual standard. I have a hard time believing that a match in which Dima is so-so and Tomo is on fire will work out to this result.

So I suspect you may be misplacing the bar for at least one. Could that be true?He is, but no point calling him out. Harimoto and Niwa won a lot of games at deuce. Dima has only played one bad game the whole tournament, his game 6 vs Harimoto. But he has pretty much dominated both matches despite the deceptive score lines.

I hope he just gets luckier in those margins if he has to play them vs LGY.

SFF_lib
12-16-2017, 11:53 AM
I see Dimi struggled against hard hitters like Niwa and Tomo. It seems like a trend in the poly ball era. Loopers losing, hitters winning.

I hope someday we will have a new "Tenergy" that can bring back the loss of spin in TT.


Passionate about TT

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 11:55 AM
This is gonna be interesting! :D

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 12:07 PM
Fzd is on fire it seems.

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 12:08 PM
This is becoming embarrassing - Fan using the Infinite Viscaria is not Fan using DHS FB....

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 12:16 PM
Timo!!

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 12:17 PM
Why? He's probably more fond of this setup.


This is becoming embarrassing - Fan using the Infinite Viscaria is not Fan using DHS FB....

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 12:34 PM
A fine match on our hands!

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 12:42 PM
Why? He's probably more fond of this setup.


That was what I meant. Great match.

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 12:44 PM
When Fzd turn on God mode it's quite difficult to answer. I think Timo should be satisfied with his performance.

brodolio
12-16-2017, 12:44 PM
So far my prediction is right..

ajtatosmano2
12-16-2017, 12:59 PM
He is, but no point calling him out. Harimoto and Niwa won a lot of games at deuce. Dima has only played one bad game the whole tournament, his game 6 vs Harimoto. But he has pretty much dominated both matches despite the deceptive score lines.

I hope he just gets luckier in those margins if he has to play them vs LGY.

I couldn't see that he dominated the match against Niwa. Actually, if Niwa don't get the tip to slow down a little (it was obvious that after his timeout he tried to play safer and use his BH more), which broke his momentum, I think he would won. Dima brought his usual standard, but Niwa was phenomenal. Dima's determination gave him the last set. Dima worked hard for that No.1 title and wanted it badly.
I haven't seen his match against Harimoto yet.

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 01:05 PM
I couldn't see that he dominated the match against Niwa. Actually, if Niwa don't get the tip to slow down a little (it was obvious that after his timeout he tried to play safer and use his BH more), which broke his momentum, I think he would won. Dima brought his usual standard, but Niwa was phenomenal. Dima's determination gave him the last set. Dima worked hard for that No.1 title and wanted it badly.
I haven't seen his match against Harimoto yet.
Since Niwa won every game he won by a 2 point margin and Dima won every game by more than That, the scores don't agree with You, even if your eye test may be right ( and I don't think it is). I felt thst Dima got unlucky on too many deuce points.

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 02:56 PM
Aaaaaand Mr Choke is back.

brodolio
12-16-2017, 02:57 PM
And Dima is in the final! What a match! True champion.
My prediction was very accurate : )

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 02:58 PM
Aaaaaand Mr Choke is back.

He didn't choke. He got beaten by an illegal tomahawk serve.

Ilia Minkin
12-16-2017, 03:00 PM
I've been waiting for this for years! Dima has improved SO MUCH. I wish his short push receive was better though. But it was epic, so much power from both players on both sides.

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 03:00 PM
If you are in a 2-0 lead and let it slip you surely choked. Choking is not only occuring in the final points of a match.


He didn't choke. He got beaten by an illegal tomahawk serve.

Ilia Minkin
12-16-2017, 03:02 PM
I think in the first two sets LGY was on fire and then lost the momentum. It is hard to be that fired up for all seven games. Plus Dima looked bamboozled by his serves at first.

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 03:03 PM
If you are in a 2-0 lead and let it slip you surely choked. Choking is not only occuring in the final points of a match.

I don't agree. My experience in table tennis say that a best of 7 allows your opponent to make adjustments and read your game better so what worked earlier might not work later. But thanks for your interesting perspective.

jawien
12-16-2017, 03:10 PM
Ok if Dima beats FZD tomorrow, my personal list is:
1. Ma
1.1 Dima

2. FZD

3. Xu Xin, Fang Bo, Timo

...


He didn't choke. He got beaten by an illegal tomahawk serve.

What is the illegal part?

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 03:10 PM
I'm not surprised since you never agree with anybody. Do you consider yourself the "TT oracle"? It's choking if your opponent really doesn't make any drastic changes that alters the face of the match. Dima did no such thing. He stuck to his usual game plan and LGY lost his "fire", he got more passive. Or are you trying to tell me that b/c Dima started serving bh he monumentally changed the entire match?


I don't agree. My experience in table tennis say that a best of 7 allows your opponent to make adjustments and read your game better so what worked earlier might not work later. But thanks for your interesting perspective.

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 03:11 PM
The ball has to be thrown up STRAIGHT


Ok if Dima beats FZD tomorrow, my personal list is:
1. Ma
1.1 Dima

2. FZD

3. Xu Xin, Fang Bo, Timo

...



What is the illegal part?

jawien
12-16-2017, 03:13 PM
The ball has to be thrown up STRAIGHT

Nearly up straight. I've seen worst ...

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 03:14 PM
No, he throws it 2 feet to the right and up.


Nearly up straight. I've seen worst ...

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 03:19 PM
I'm not surprised since you never agree with anybody. Do you consider yourself the "TT oracle"? It's choking if your opponent really doesn't make any drastic changes that alters the face of the match. Dima did no such thing. He stuck to his usual game plan and LGY lost his "fire", he got more passive. Or are you trying to tell me that b/c Dima started serving bh he monumentally changed the entire match?


He made a lot of changes using his backhand a lot more on serve and serve return and even using it on rallies where he has practiced using forehands.

You need to realize that after two games certain patterns have formed and Lin got comfortable but Dima started violating them. The games were still close but Dima is sneaky. I mean he started flat hitting in the last two games and Lin at least caught on to it.

I would say Dima was lucky and Lin unlucky. Choke is not the word I would use. But there is nothing wrong with your perspective. We all interpret things differently.

LikeTT
12-16-2017, 03:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoRBKwkHzf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdehoY3uDU

yoass
12-16-2017, 03:23 PM
I'm not surprised since you never agree with anybody. Do you consider yourself the "TT oracle"? It's choking if your opponent really doesn't make any drastic changes that alters the face of the match. Dima did no such thing. He stuck to his usual game plan and LGY lost his "fire", he got more passive. Or are you trying to tell me that b/c Dima started serving bh he monumentally changed the entire match?

Rid, you have a sound mind, observe well and deserve your opinion as least as much so as anyone. Yet something in your tone makes me adverse to your message. That may be entirely on my plate, and sit squarely at my half of the conversation, so take these words with the proper number of grains of salt.

So I'll be blunt (being dutch, that is probably my curse). I like your contributions and often find merit in them but hey, a bit of style and tone goes a long way. C'est la ton qui fait and all that. You know, I'm sure.

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 03:25 PM
What is the illegal part?

While the toss is high and the serve was more passable at one time, the ball crosses from one half of the court into the other before being contacted, giving a sideways impact that helps the amount of spin generated since the racket is coming into the ball.

Umpires have faulted him for it before. It is really about courage when umpiring vs such a high profile name.

jawien
12-16-2017, 03:26 PM
No, he throws it 2 feet to the right and up.

You must have had a ring side sits there ... and an eagle eye ... 2 feet wow ...

ping fun
12-16-2017, 03:40 PM
How many chance LGY can have in CNT ?? He's lost several times in big matches .. if LGL was in national team we couldnt see him any more ....

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 03:42 PM
"You make your own luck" is pretty spot on. When the Chinese become passive then they're vulnerable. If they take charge they almost always dominate. They're not very comfortable leaving the initiative to their opponent. The 3rd ball attack was "invented" in China to take control of the rally instantly.


He made a lot of changes using his backhand a lot more on serve and serve return and even using it on rallies where he has practiced using forehands.

You need to realize that after two games certain patterns have formed and Lin got comfortable but Dima started violating them. The games were still close but Dima is sneaky. I mean he started flat hitting in the last two games and Lin at least caught on to it.

I would say Dima was lucky and Lin unlucky. Choke is not the word I would use. But there is nothing wrong with your perspective. We all interpret things differently.

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 03:42 PM
No, I watch the matches. Maybe you should try it.


You must have had a ring side sits there ... and an eagle eye ... 2 feet wow ...

jawien
12-16-2017, 03:54 PM
No, I watch the matches. Maybe you should try it.

Ok ok sorry for the tone. Anyway ...
I watched it and now I was looking for the service. 3:2 and 2:8. The ball does travel from one side of the table to another but the height is much more than 2 feet. I would not be so quick to judge ... and I'm not a referee anyway.

I just don't like umpires interfering into services - unless really obvious - because a too "courageous" umpire sometimes can just "erase" the game.

Garrison
12-16-2017, 04:21 PM
DIMA AMAZING! Tomorrow is gonna be a big party either way :o

Xylit
12-16-2017, 04:23 PM
When will the final take place? 17:50 Kazachstan time or what does that mean? Which timezone are they referring to?

Garrison
12-16-2017, 04:29 PM
Kazakhstan is +5 compared to Germany (GMT+6)

Gabgrohriel
12-16-2017, 04:36 PM
when will the match in europaen clock? i am in germany thank you very much

Ilia Minkin
12-16-2017, 04:40 PM
when will the match in europaen clock? i am in germany thank you very much

You can use timeanddate: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/kazakstan/astana

Michal_Z
12-16-2017, 04:41 PM
While the toss is high and the serve was more passable at one time, the ball crosses from one half of the court into the other before being contacted, giving a sideways impact that helps the amount of spin generated since the racket is coming into the ball.

Umpires have faulted him for it before. It is really about courage when umpiring vs such a high profile name.

I know the umpire in person, I can ask him when I meet him why he didnt fault those serves ;-)

jawien
12-16-2017, 04:41 PM
when will the match in europaen clock? i am in germany thank you very much

In Poland it will be 12:50. Now you do the math ;)

NextLevel
12-16-2017, 04:49 PM
When will the final take place? 17:50 Kazachstan time or what does that mean? Which timezone are they referring to?


Just google for time in Kaszachstan now... that will give you the time and you can do your math.

Xylit
12-16-2017, 04:52 PM
The only question I had was in which timezone ittf displays their schedule. Obviously Kazachstan time I could read between the lines now.

So for all German people: 12:50 ;)

jawien
12-16-2017, 05:05 PM
Any picks for tomorrow?

I hope I'm wrong ... but I guess Fan, seems too solid now ...

Suga D
12-16-2017, 05:09 PM
Lgy will make it easily,4-1

Man, you and your predictions....
[Emoji2]

Garrison
12-16-2017, 05:15 PM
Fan looks sharper than at german open. I would love Dima to win, but my prediction is 4-2 for Fan

Zaid323918
12-16-2017, 05:38 PM
Wow Dima's tomahawk serve is so darn illegal. Even Tomo had difficulty against it and I can see why.

cayenne
12-16-2017, 05:43 PM
Man, you and your predictions....
[Emoji2]

My predictions against dima, thats all ;)

Michal_Z
12-16-2017, 05:44 PM
Tomorrow I will not be able to watch any of the matches.. too bad..
This will be really tough for me!
I will ask my wife to download it for me and when I return home it will be probably too late to watch..
So somehow I will try to survive till Monday without finding out, ha! :D
And on Monday watch the match without knowing who will win..

ajtatosmano2
12-16-2017, 06:19 PM
Wow Dima's tomahawk serve is so darn illegal. Even Tomo had difficulty against it and I can see why.

I don't see throwing it from one side to another would effect the tomahawk serve, since he is throwing the ball high. Everyone can follow the ball, it isn't hidden...Dima perfected the way of changing the spin with minimal difference in the contact point and racket speed.

ping fun
12-16-2017, 06:24 PM
Tomorrow fan zhendong 4 - 1 dima . And Chen meng women champion . :o

RidTheKid
12-16-2017, 06:25 PM
Rule states you have to throw the ball straight up and at least 16 cm high. Dimas height is not the issue but him throwing it to the side quite a bit.


Ok ok sorry for the tone. Anyway ...
I watched it and now I was looking for the service. 3:2 and 2:8. The ball does travel from one side of the table to another but the height is much more than 2 feet. I would not be so quick to judge ... and I'm not a referee anyway.

I just don't like umpires interfering into services - unless really obvious - because a too "courageous" umpire sometimes can just "erase" the game.

Xylit
12-16-2017, 06:26 PM
I don't see throwing it from one side to another would effect the tomahawk serve, since he is throwing the ball high. Everyone can follow the ball, it isn't hidden...Dima perfected the way of changing the spin with minimal difference in the contact point and racket speed.
He is throwing the ball somewhat into his racket which allows him to put more spin in the ball. While it is pretty extreme there LGY and nearly every other player does that as well when serving the standard FH serve. Ball starts between BH corner and middle of the table and falls down at the BH corner, that is also throwing the ball into the racket with the same benefits. Hard to decide what to allow and when to step in as referee.

jawien
12-16-2017, 06:38 PM
I know the umpire in person, I can ask him when I meet him why he didnt fault those serves ;-)


Rule states you have to throw the ball straight up and at least 16 cm high. Dimas height is not the issue but him throwing it to the side quite a bit.


I don't want to get into googling ... but really think there is some tolerance accepted in the rules. I'll wait for Michal's post. Will be really interesting.

[Edit] ok, found it.

2.6.2 The server shall then project the ball near vertically upwards, without
imparting spin, so that it rises at least 16cm after leaving the palm of the free
hand and then falls without touching anything before being struck.

ajtatosmano2
12-16-2017, 06:41 PM
He is throwing the ball somewhat into his racket which allows him to put more spin in the ball. While it is pretty extreme there LGY and nearly every other player does that as well when serving the standard FH serve. Ball starts between BH corner and middle of the table and falls down at the BH corner, that is also throwing the ball into the racket with the same benefits. Hard to decide what to allow and when to step in as referee.

The incoming ball's falling angle determines how much you throw the ball 'into your racket. You throw the ball higher, the angle will change and it's not 'throwing the ball into your racket' anymore.

TTHopeful
12-16-2017, 10:51 PM
I have a feeling fzd will crunch Dima

UpSideDownCarl
12-16-2017, 11:39 PM
Come on i didnt say such a thing .. haha .. why whatever i say every one connect it with zjk ??;) zjk has been number 1 which deserved that and its was real . But what i said about dima really wasnt about looks . I mesnt his game . I hope he get this grand final and this number 1 fits him more

Come on ping fun; I was just joking around and looking for an opportunity to post footage of Muhammad Ali saying things like: "I'm young, I'm handsome, I'm pretty, and can't possibly be beat." "I've had 120 amateur fights, 22 professional fights and I'm still pretty as a girl." "I'm so pretty I don't get hit." :) And even though he does not say all of those quotes in one shot, he says all of them. :)

I knew what you meant. Dima plays up and down and he does not always look like the top player he really is. I am pretty sure Suga D knew and was joking with you also.

The new world ranking system will have people who are not the best player as the #1. And that is okay. Because it may get the top players to show up to more tournaments.

jawien
12-17-2017, 12:18 AM
Come on guys, Dima is not #1 ... he is not even on the header picture of the TTDaily ... ;) ;)

Garrison
12-17-2017, 01:18 AM
Dima's serve still in discussion? If there is something to complain about, it is that sometimes he takes his arm away too late ( hard for the umpires to see). IMO the advantage of throwing the ball into his body is minimal due to the height of the toss.

Astorix
12-17-2017, 07:22 AM
Excited for todays matches. I don't care who wins just want to see awesome TT!

drunix80
12-17-2017, 07:38 AM
Dima's serve still in discussion? If there is something to complain about, it is that sometimes he takes his arm away too late ( hard for the umpires to see). IMO the advantage of throwing the ball into his body is minimal due to the height of the toss.

It is not hard to notice that Dima has improved quite a bit this year. His level is high and there is no point in trying to make his wins sound like fluke. Give this guy some credit.

yoass
12-17-2017, 08:25 AM
Dima's serve still in discussion? If there is something to complain about, it is that sometimes he takes his arm away too late ( hard for the umpires to see). IMO the advantage of throwing the ball into his body is minimal due to the height of the toss.

I'm not saying it's a proper or improper serve, but the condition for that is whether or not it takes place within the bounds set by the rules, not whether or not it is advantageous or not. So what about these bounds?

The toss should be +16cm and "nearly vertical", and at no point while serving should the ball be hidden from view from the opponent and referees. Now the rules, afaik, do not define the angle range for "nearly vertical", so I don't think there's a firm argument to be made there; ample room for interpretation. The "not hiding" thing is also something, but that's also subject to human limitations. Lex non cogit ad impossibilia, law cannot enforce the impossible.

Perhaps this is my perverse mathematician's mind, but I think these rules are rather toothless due to the lack of rigor in the definition of the underlying notions. This makes me entirely unsurprised at seeing a somewhat haphazard and not entirely consistent implementation by referees. Leaving ambiguity, vagueness and room for interpretation will do that.

RidTheKid
12-17-2017, 09:52 AM
Bluntness as well as your message is appreciated :) I've never been a diplomat ;)


Rid, you have a sound mind, observe well and deserve your opinion as least as much so as anyone. Yet something in your tone makes me adverse to your message. That may be entirely on my plate, and sit squarely at my half of the conversation, so take these words with the proper number of grains of salt.

So I'll be blunt (being dutch, that is probably my curse). I like your contributions and often find merit in them but hey, a bit of style and tone goes a long way. C'est la ton qui fait and all that. You know, I'm sure.

TTLondon2012
12-17-2017, 10:11 AM
Highlights of a great match between Dimitrij Ovtcharov and Harimoto


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJo9kqP86YQ

TTLondon2012
12-17-2017, 10:12 AM
Semi Finals:

Timo Boll vs Fan Zhendong


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZlnmt846X4


Timo Boll vs Lin Gaoyuan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9JBQZvt_2o

Dan
12-17-2017, 10:29 AM
Will Fan Zhendong get revenge!? This final is going to be exciting! Dima is in top form right now but I have a feeling Fan Zhendong is going to be in a beast mode :)

TableTennisDaily
12-17-2017, 11:08 AM
NOW LIVE: Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Fan Zhendong! Live streaming here: https://tv.ittf.com/livestream/ittf-world-tour-grand-finals-table-1/1052965

TableTennisDaily
12-17-2017, 11:13 AM
Facebook live here

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ronz91
12-17-2017, 11:19 AM
thank goodness for the FB live stream. getting existing rights issues on ITTV.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-17-2017, 11:20 AM
wow that winning FH at 9-9 in the 2nd game !!!!! FZD does the jumping FH !!!

NextLevel
12-17-2017, 11:30 AM
They studied a lot of videotape... both players are playing well but Fan always just had the extra energy and tactics.

ronz91
12-17-2017, 11:30 AM
FZD has shown up at full power. Dima seems to be down on confidence in that third set.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-17-2017, 11:30 AM
FAN Zhendong showing the world who's the best at the table.... certainly not the current #1

ronz91
12-17-2017, 11:34 AM
and the FB stream ended... cmon ITTF

Ilia Minkin
12-17-2017, 11:41 AM
That push into the net at 9-10 after a sky-high serve by FZD :( I wonder though if blocking that much was a conscious choice for Dima.

RidTheKid
12-17-2017, 11:42 AM
I have never seen Fzd better, incredible level of play.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-17-2017, 11:42 AM
That push into the net at 9-10 after a sky-high serve by FZD :( I wonder though if blocking that much was a conscious choice for Dima.

He choked

NextLevel
12-17-2017, 11:46 AM
Great job by Fan - I think the number of errors and passive returns he drew on serves won him this match. Dima is going to have to go back to the lab and study that hard. Too many missed aggressive returns and misdirections at critical moments.

NextLevel
12-17-2017, 11:47 AM
That push into the net at 9-10 after a sky-high serve by FZD :( I wonder though if blocking that much was a conscious choice for Dima.


Did you watch the replay? The replay didn't look that sky high and the second bounce was abominably low relative to the first bounce. The serve kicked sideways not upwards.

RidTheKid
12-17-2017, 11:51 AM
I wonder why Dima sometimes "cheat" when returning serves, thinking the serve is going to his fh side, and that decision always puts him in a bad spot. As it should. You can never cheat - adapt and overcome.

Atas Newton
12-17-2017, 11:56 AM
Dima's serve still in discussion? If there is something to complain about, it is that sometimes he takes his arm away too late
very many players do that. I wish hidden serves were simply made legal again.

LikeTT
12-17-2017, 11:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13KHZYtxKWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRudZRpCE1g

Atas Newton
12-17-2017, 12:05 PM
Did you watch the replay? The replay didn't look that sky high and the second bounce was abominably low relative to the first bounce. The serve kicked sideways not upwards.
dunno, it looked perfectly suitable for a flick kill. Dima looked very surprised with how hight the serve turned out - so surprised he forgot to make the decision what to do with it, even his push was nowhere near going over the net.

NextLevel
12-17-2017, 12:15 PM
dunno, it looked perfectly suitable for a flick kill. Dima looked very surprised with how hight the serve turned out - so surprised he forgot to make the decision what to do with it, even his push was nowhere near going over the net.

Go look at it - the serve kicked *sideways* on the second bounce - the replay shows it more clearly. Good luck with your flick kill.

Atas Newton
12-17-2017, 12:22 PM
Well serves kick in all sorts of directions, what ultimately matters is if Dima read the spin and if the ball was high enough. The pressure got to him.

Zaid323918
12-17-2017, 04:07 PM
Well my prediction and hope for the final came true. Also, congratulations Dima on proving us that you're World #1.

JesperStef
12-17-2017, 05:00 PM
Results from Day 3 and 4 (Sat 16 and Sun 17 December):

Men's Singles

Quarter-finals (top half):

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:3 Tomokazu Harimoto [6] (11:7, 11:13, 11:8, 12:14, 11:8, 5:11, 11:7)
[10] Fang Bo 1:4 Lin Gaoyuan [4] (11:8, 7:11, 6:11, 7:11, 6:11)


Semi-finals:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:3 Lin Gaoyuan [4] (7:11, 6:11, 11:9, 11:8, 11:8, 4:11, 12:10)
[3] Fan Zhendong 4:2 Timo Boll [2] (11:6, 11:4, 8:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:7)


Final:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 0:4 Fan Zhendong [3] (7:11, 9:11, 7:11, 10:12)


Women's Singles

Quarter-finals (bottom half):

[4] Mima Ito 1:4 Chen Xingtong [6] (8:11, 11:8, 6:11, 8:11, 6:11)
[7] Zhu Yuling 4:3 Wang Manyu [2] (11:6, 8:11, 11:7, 6:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:2)


Semi-finals:

[1] Chen Meng 4:0 Gu Yuting [5] (12:10, 11:4, 11:5, 11:9)
[6] Chen Xingtong 1:4 Zhu Yuling [7] (11:9, 6:11, 4:11, 14:16, 7:11)


Final:

[1] Chen Meng 4:0 Zhu Yuling [7] (11:6, 11:3, 11:6, 12:10)


Men's Doubles

Final:

[3] Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting 3:4 Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2] (7:11, 11:6, 11:6, 10:12, 11:9, 10:12, 10:12)


Women's Doubles

Final:

[1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito 0:4 Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2] (8:11, 8:11, 8:11, 9:11)


Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2742/2017/seamaster-2017-ittf-world-tour-grand-finals/

tropical
12-17-2017, 05:03 PM
4-0 ... a total annihilation of Dima and sweet revenge for FZD. I think FZD changed his playing a little bit. He didn't go for extremely powerful shots like he used to. Instead, he controlled the ball more from either BH or FH, less risky this way.

cayenne
12-17-2017, 06:51 PM
Explosive shots from fh, more controlled from bh.. when fzd is being like a god

TTLondon2012
12-17-2017, 07:01 PM
Dimitrij Ovtcahrov vs Fan Zhendong


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc31QjBSuy0


Chen Meng vs Zhu Yuling (Final)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PcWAIXIV3k

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-18-2017, 05:53 AM
Go look at it - the serve kicked *sideways* on the second bounce - the replay shows it more clearly. Good luck with your flick kill.

its not Atas Newton flip kill, its Dima's

Anyway its not simply our opinion, Adam Bobrow watched the replay and its his opinion as well that Dima could easily have flicked this ball

RidTheKid
12-18-2017, 06:33 AM
I agree, the serve looked a little high. Dima could've done more with it.


its not Atas Newton flip kill, its Dima's

Anyway its not simply our opinion, Adam Bobrow watched the replay and its his opinion as well that Dima could easily have flicked this ball

yoass
12-18-2017, 07:43 AM
FZD has shown up at full power. Dima seems to be down on confidence in that third set.

Yes, he did sometimes give off a tiny hint of that special look of a rabbit caught in deer lights while under machine gun crossfire.

yoass
12-18-2017, 07:45 AM
I agree, the serve looked a little high. Dima could've done more with it.

Seeing more of the game, I'm still amazed about how much DO is a BH-oriented player. He seems to get away with a lot of it, but every now and then just having the FH flick or push just as an option surely would not hurt to have, would it?

brodolio
12-18-2017, 08:25 AM
I have never seen Fzd better, incredible level of play.

True story.
FZD was a step ahead of Dima (and of any other players in the torunament), almost in every rally.

I think that at the moment, FZD, is the highest expression of the table tennis.
If he keeps going like that, he will soon become the world n.1 (which I think he highly deserve it).

RidTheKid
12-18-2017, 08:35 AM
Imagine Fzd in this form vs Ma Long in his best form....wow! Talk about TT fireworks!


True story.
FZD was a step ahead of Dima (and of any other players in the torunament), almost in every rally.

I think that at the moment, FZD, is the highest expression of the table tennis.
If he keeps going like that, he will soon become the world n.1 (which I think he highly deserve it).

brodolio
12-18-2017, 09:09 AM
Imagine Fzd in this form vs Ma Long in his best form....wow! Talk about TT fireworks!
ehehe we would see extra-terrestrial rallies!

BTW, Dima seemed to be not in his best shape (since from the beginning of this tournament) but still he reached the final!
So I think that if Dima was in his best form, the final would have been way more enjoyable..

Atas Newton
12-18-2017, 09:28 AM
Imagine Fzd in this form vs Ma Long in his best form....wow! Talk about TT fireworks!
the World Championship final was pretty close to that.

RidTheKid
12-18-2017, 09:38 AM
I almost agree :) I think Fzd expressed himself more in the final against Dima. Surely it also has to do with ML limiting and locking Fzd in the WC the best he could but I don't think ML was in his top top form. The best I've ever seen ML was probably in Rio against Mizutani. That was sick. WC had better drama for sure.


the World Championship final was pretty close to that.

NextLevel
12-18-2017, 01:52 PM
Seeing more of the game, I'm still amazed about how much DO is a BH-oriented player. He seems to get a way with a lot of it, but every now and then just having the FH flick or push just as an option surely would not hurt to have, would it?

I know what you mean, but my experience (and what I have heard talking to people who have worked with players like Aruna and Henzell) tells me it is not that simple. He does have the basic shots, but their quality for returning certain balls and their transition into his overall game is a gap that is hard to fill when you have spent forever playing a certain way with a lot of success. Remember, his game used to be premised on overpowering the opponent and that seemed to work against everyone except the opponents he had to beat. He doesn't have the *instincts* and footwork speed to support a forehand oriented power game at his level.

It's amazing that Dima is a good as he is with all the technical flaws in his game. The problem is that when you get to that level, you are almost stuck playing that way as almost everything in your game you want to introduce from scratch will be at a lower level and will take years (if ever) to catch up and see the light of day and be good enough to make your instincts let you play differently.

Remember that he used to be able to win the point with one backhand return against many opponents. That puts his game in perspective. And it is not like he is hanging around the CNT players everyday where you are putting in infinite hours trying to build your game to beat the guy next to you - he is still the Euro number 1 even on a bad day.

jawien
12-18-2017, 03:13 PM
It's amazing that Dima is a good as he is with all the technical flaws in his game.

I agree with the bh oriented game and footwork not as good as Fan's, Ma's and few others ... but "technical flaws". The word sounds just ... not right : )

NextLevel
12-18-2017, 03:41 PM
I agree with the bh oriented game and footwork not as good as Fan's, Ma's and few others ... but "technical flaws". The word sounds just ... not right : )

I am a Dima fan so I don't use the word lightly. And I am not referring to the strokes as much as limitations forced by the compensations, especially on the grip switches which are relatively extreme. IT's not easy to push with the backhand like Dima does and follow up with the forehand. And he switches grips to a degree between the strokes that makes it hard to play at a speed that supports it. Because the original focus was to hit the first shot with power and deal with the rest later. But now the first shot comes back and you are stuck holding the racket in a way that doesn't help, what do you do?

jawien
12-18-2017, 04:07 PM
I am a Dima fan so I don't use the word lightly. [...]

Sure, I understand. I guess we would have to go a little into the discussion on what is a flaw and what is a feature (like "it's not a bug, it's a feature") I mainly looked at the strokes and yes Dima's bh pushes from the fh side look unorthodox. Does the grip switch plays such a big role, I don't know. For me a flaw would be to develop certain aspect of the game in a way that it hinders your playing efficiency and limits your further development. Dima has every shot in the book for sure and the grip would be a part of a style - I'd rather put it this way. Limiting fast switching - maybe, but also it might explain why his bh is so powerful.