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yogi_bear
01-08-2018, 12:59 AM
Joola Rhyzer 48
- 68 grams uncut
- medium hard
- off+

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The Joola Rhyzer 48 is hands down the fastest ESN rubber in the market right now. I have tested it bought with a not-so-known Pro Spin Power blade which is an off+ balsa-carbon blade and the Xiom Feel Ax which is a softer Viscaria blade. People have asked me to compare this with the Xiom Omega VII Pro and there is quite a big difference and in my opinion they are in a different class. I think the upcoming Omega VII Tour should be the equivalent of the Rhyzer 48 and not the Pro version because they feel really different and the VII Pro is marginally softer and lighter. The Rhyzer 48 being 68-69 grams uncut and the Omega VII Pro being 65-66 grams uncut. The Rhyzer 48 is medium hard. It feels a lot firmer than Omega VII Pro. Even the topsheet of the Rhyzer 48 is not as soft as the VII Pro.
The Rhyzer 48 is a beast waiting to be tamed. I think it is not for the untrained. The speed is ridiculously fast. I would boldly rate it as faster than the MX-P rubber. I have used the MX-P on a similar blade with balsa-carbon composition but the at least the MX-P is controllable. The Rhyzer on a very fast carbon blade just goes off the table with a long and high trajectory. I would think maybe because of the trend today of not using blades that are too fast, the Rhyzer is enough to use that you will not lack the speed or power that you need in your shots even if you will just use it on an all+ blade. It should be paired with an all wood blade or if you choose to have a composite blade then the speed of the blade should not exceed that of the Viscaria or Timo Boll ALC blade. Its speed should rival Bryce Speed or even faster by a few notches. The good side is, if you have the training or the skill, the Rhyzer 48 is a powerful rubber to use. If I compare it to the the Rhyzm 48 before, the Rhyzm 48 is a mild version with lesser amount of spin. When you are in the receiving end of the Rhyzer 48, you could feel how heavy and spinny the balls are when somebody is using it against you. The very long trajectory of the Rhyzer 48 ensures you that even at 4 meters away from the table, yours shots will not fall short. Also, at close to the table distance, very short swings will handle the ball more than enough to attack it with good amount of speed.
If in terms of spin , the potential level of Rhyzer 48 is much higher than any other rubber in the market with the exception of maybe Tenergy 05 but the level of spin between the 2 seem to be very minute. The ESN rubbers, over the years, have been inching closer to Tenergy in terms of spin. Speed is not a problem for ESn rubber as a lot of ESN rubbers are faster than Tenergy 05 but it is the rubbers grip towards the ball that ESN rubbers are trying to catch up to and I think with Rhyzer, the topsheet’s grip can compete with T05 and give it a run for its money. If you compare it to Xiom Omega VII Pro, the O7P is easier to produce spin probably because the sponge is softer and the rubber is easier to use but the Rhyzer if used correctly can have a higher level of spin. I would wait for the Omega VII Tour to fully compare rubbers in terms of spin and speed.
The Rhyzer is an excellent offensive rubber that does not need an off+ blade to be used. In fact, it needs a slower blade to be fully utilized by players like me who are not pros or not on elite level of playing style. In my opinion, this will be the hot selling rubber early 2018 unless newer and better rubbers will come out later this year.

Joola Rhyzer 43
- 66 grams uncut
- medium
- off+
The Rhyzer 43 is a toned down version of the Rhyzer 48. It is labeled as 43 degrees but the total hardness with the sponge seems to be medium and sometimes even harder than the usual 45 degree rubbers that I have tried like the Joola s Maxxx 450, Rakza 7 or Adidas P7. With the Rhyzer 43, at tleast you could feel the softer topsheet compared to the Rhyzer 48 rubber which has an overall hard feeling. What I like about the Rhyzer 43 is that it easier to use than the 48 version. In my case, I choose to place it in a slower blade like the Xiom Feel Ax because when I placed it with the Rhyzer 48 in the Pro Spin Power blade, the Rhyzer 43 still goes off the table easily. So I placed it with in a slower blade which is the Feel AX and then the magical moment happened. The rubber is very good and the speed is more than enough even with a slower blade. The Rhyzer 43 is still very fast and the speed is equal to that of the MX-P. If people are looking for a substitute of the Adidas P7 then this rubber will suffice. It has the control and feel of the P7 but the speed and spin is marginally bigger. The topsheet is very grippy like the 48 version but the softer sponge allowas the ball to sink into the sponge easier. The rubber is very bouncy that it is easy to slap and drive low flying balls. At least the Rhyzer 43 is a little bit controllable compared to the 48 degree version. Nevertheless, the 48 and 43 Rhyzers are excellent both as forehand and backhand rubbers.I am currently using the Rhyzer 43 as my forehand rubber in one of my rackets because the 48 is not just for my level.
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These new rubbers are very fast and spinny. The 48 version feels medium hard. It is faster than MX-P and also spinnier. The 43 version even though it has a 43 degree sponge, the overall feel with the topsheet is medium and not medium soft. This is also very bouncy and spinny. Both rubbers have profound high throws. I will post more of these in the coming days since I need to trnasfer this to my Xiom Feel AX because when I placed it in my balsa carbon blade which is faster than a T11+ blade, the speed seem to be very fast and I have to make lots of adjustment for control.

808ponger
01-08-2018, 02:03 AM
Do you feel that this next generation of ESN rubbers are a vast improvement over its predecessors? Rhyzm vs rhyzer, rasant vs rasanter, omega V vs VII, bluefire vs blue storm.

yogi_bear
01-08-2018, 02:28 AM
yes they are. the omega vii and rhyzer are actually another level. the rhyzer 48 even exceed the mxp.

Airoc
01-08-2018, 06:22 AM
yes they are. the omega vii and rhyzer are actually another level. the rhyzer 48 even exceed the mxp.

I agree that the new generation rubbers exceed their predecessors.

Generally, the variation is wider - I have played with both Rasanter versions with 47.5 degree sponge, the Aurus Prime and now Rhyzer 48 and maybe for the first time really this isn´t "been there, done that".

Most importantly, the topsheets seem even better and enable the generation of more spin, which after all is to compensate for the loss of spin with plastic balls.
As opposed to rubbers from a couple years ago claimed to be "optimized for plastic ball", these really are.

One thing to watch for, the softer sponges in ultramax/max+ can get a bit mushy. Rhyzer 42 seemed very soft, but maybe that was partly due to the blade used.
Rhyzer 48 feels much softer than some older rubbers with identical hardness, yet also more powerful and precise.

yogi_bear
01-08-2018, 10:37 PM
I will need to play both rubbers with the xiom feel ax blade. My loops were flying all around te table and even my blocks with a balsa carbon blade.

jackass22
01-10-2018, 09:58 PM
Could you compare rhyzer and rhyzm-p. Which rhyzer is closer to rhyzm-p? Is rhyzer 48 much more harder than rhyzm-p?
What is passive blocking?

Milan Nemec
01-10-2018, 10:29 PM
What about rhyzer 48 vs. rhyzm - the original is also 48 degrees...

yogi_bear
01-10-2018, 10:34 PM
The rhyzer sponge is denser and the spin is so much more.

Milan Nemec
01-10-2018, 11:03 PM
Uhm, my second rhyzm will come tomorrow...
But the original rhyzm has a rather low throw and is great for a third ball attack = direct points with speed. Does the new one really have a high throw? Are they them similar at all or is it just a different rubber under a well-known name?

Red Roar
01-15-2018, 12:53 AM
Yogi,
how would you describe the difference of the R43 compared to a El-s and/or a Baracuda?

yogi_bear
01-15-2018, 01:26 AM
Rhyzer 48 has a higher spin and speed level compared to rhyzm. The throw is also higher than rhyzm.

yogi_bear
01-15-2018, 01:30 AM
Yogi,
how would you describe the difference of the R43 compared to a El-s and/or a Baracuda?

Red roar, you are in the wrong thread but el-s is harder and has more spin than r42, baracuda is the spinniest among the 3 and r42 is faster than el-s.

Red Roar
01-15-2018, 05:06 AM
Red roar, you are in the wrong thread but el-s is harder and has more spin than r42, baracuda is the spinniest among the 3 and r42 is faster than el-s.

Thanks.

Is there a more appropriate thread going to ask about these rubbers?
my bad.

Airoc
01-15-2018, 06:26 AM
Thanks.

Is there a more appropriate thread going to ask about these rubbers?
my bad.

If by R43 you mean Rhyzer 43, actually no - you are right here.

I guess it got confused with Rasanter R42, where the R is part of the name.

TTHopeful
01-15-2018, 06:27 AM
I tried the Aurus Select the other day. Is this a similar rubber to the Rhyzer 43?

Red Roar
01-15-2018, 08:55 AM
If by R43 you mean Rhyzer 43, actually no - you are right here.

I guess it got confused with Rasanter R42, where the R is part of the name.

Yes I meant Rhyzer 43.
Now I see.

i wonder if Yogi’s comment still applies?

yogi_bear
01-15-2018, 11:37 AM
Oh sorry. Rhyzer 43 is faster than both rubbers. Also has higher throw.

Airoc
01-15-2018, 03:56 PM
I tried the Aurus Select the other day. Is this a similar rubber to the Rhyzer 43?

Its sponge is two degrees harder.

The overall concept (thin topsheet for extra thick sponge) is identical, but all brands get to pick their own version of the recipe.

So Rhyzer 43 would also be close to, but not identical with, Rasanter R42 and Donic bluestorm Z3.

yogi_bear
01-16-2018, 03:33 PM
I do not really feel the soft sponge thin top feeling on te rhyzers compared to the omega vii's and rasanters

Airoc
01-16-2018, 03:42 PM
I do not really feel the soft sponge thin top feeling on te rhyzers compared to the omega vii's and rasanters

But still, it is the same technology.

What I like about it is that the brands have really chosen different recipes this time, so that you have more choice.

And according to a usually very reliable source the Omegas don´t even belong to this series.

yogi_bear
01-19-2018, 12:26 PM
updated with review

Ioiettino
01-19-2018, 03:56 PM
Hi,
how do you find the short game with the 43? And do you think it can still be reasonably easy to play with an OFF-ish blade, maybe in reduced sponge?
I'd be interested if people had feedback regarding these new thin topsheet rubbers, coupled with thin sponges (say 1.9, maybe even less for some people) since there's already less for the ball to bite at.

Thanks.

Ioiettino
01-19-2018, 04:03 PM
Just saw it's either 2.0 or Max. Still glad to hear about the 2.0mm, if you've tried it.

thomas.pong
01-19-2018, 06:42 PM
I do not really feel the soft sponge thin top feeling on te rhyzers compared to the omega vii's and rasanters

How does the Aurus Prime feel in that same regard?

Also, are you considering switching from Evo to any of these new rubbers? If so, why or why not?

slevin
01-19-2018, 07:19 PM
Another review here: http://www.tt-spin.de/joola-rhyzer-48/

It basically states that Rhyzer48 spin is a bit less than that of Aurus Prime and Bluestorm Z1 - also it's pip structure is different.

yogi_bear
01-20-2018, 12:13 AM
If mxp vs rhyzer48, i would gladly take rhyzer 48 but it has.to be on a slower all wood blade like off-.

The 43 and 48 vsrsions SHOULD be in slower blades due to ther speeds unless your skill level is very high.

42andbackpains
01-20-2018, 04:04 AM
Yogi, is the Rhyzer 48 harder or softer than MXP? As usual US does not even get a sniff of this new rubber.

Airoc
01-20-2018, 07:58 AM
Yogi, is the Rhyzer 48 harder or softer than MXP? As usual US does not even get a sniff of this new rubber.

The nominal sponge hardness is pretty much identical (straight 48 to "around 47.5" degrees).

In max+ the Rhyzer feels way softer than a 2.1/2.2 (which in that case equals max) MX-P, that being down to a bit more sponge and a softer topsheet.

In 2.0, with the effect of the sponge being gone and the topsheet being thinner than that of MX-P, it could be a different thing.

yogi_bear
01-20-2018, 11:29 AM
I feel that te rhyzer 48 is harder than mxp. Tried it with 3 blades now already. I cannot feel the soft topsheet.

TTHopeful
01-20-2018, 04:42 PM
ESN reaching the limits of tech

thomas.pong
01-20-2018, 05:23 PM
ESN reaching the limits of tech

There's likely more to come.

yogi_bear
01-21-2018, 01:52 AM
They could also find new technology, we just have to wait.

jackass22
01-25-2018, 09:15 PM
Could you please compare height of throw rhyzer, spin and block 43 vs 48?

yogi_bear
01-26-2018, 03:40 AM
The Rhyzer 48 has high throw and the 43 has medium high throw. Both are very spinny but the 48 has more potential spin than 43. In terms of blocking, the 43 is so much better because of a medium soft rubber.

I tried the Z1 Bluestorm yesterday and it was also really impressive. In fact, z1 Bluestorm is unlike any Donic rubbers I have used. The P-series were really not good and the Bluefire series were at least better than the P-series. The Bluestorm series well, this is the generation of rubbers along with Omega VII and Rhyzers that can completely outmatch MX-P. The only thing I needed to do is test the Aurus from Tibhar.

The 3 rubbers used can be classified as the Rhyzer rubbers on one extreme with the Omega VII on the other exteme side and the Z1 bluestorm as the middle rubber. Here is why:
1. the Z1 bluestorm has this power and spin better than MX-P but the Z1 seems to have better control than the Rhyzers because we tested the rubbers yesterday with the Z1 and the Rhyzers seem to be faster by a notch or 2 than the Z1. Even the softer Rhyzer 43 is still faster than the Z1 rubber. You could say that the Z1 seems to be a faster MX-P and also a bit spinnier. The topsheet feels grippier but the pip structure is shorter compared to the Rhyzer or Omega VII Pro. Still, the Z1 is very good.

2. The Omega VII is the easiest to use but in terms of speed, I still it still edges out Z1 in terms of speed but slower than Rhyzer 48 or 43. Spin seems to be more or less equal with the Z1 but it feels softer and you have to engage the sponge more in producing spin. With the Z1, thin brushes are easier to produce spin.

3. Rhyzer is still the the extremely powerful rubber here (both 43 and 48) but it needs a higher level of skills to fully use it.

Ioiettino
01-26-2018, 05:51 AM
Hi,


The Bluestorm series well, this is the generation of rubbers along with Omega VII and Rhyzers that can completely outmatch MX-P.
Would you include the Rasanter in this list?

Also, from what you say Rhyzer 43 is faster than MX-P (with Z1 in between) but how does that feel? I mean, is it still somewhat linear /predictable in spite of the speed and relatively soft sponge? I know you've said it "requires skills", but some rubbers will perhaps reward the investment more than others. My question I guess is, whether this feels crazy just for the sake of it or would you consider it a solid choice after a period of adaptation.

yogi_bear
01-26-2018, 08:37 AM
I had the rasanters before but they seem to have a different topsheet and sponge. The rhyzers are worth it but it takes time to adjust and recommend to use all wood or carbon aramid and arylate blades on it

Ioiettino
01-26-2018, 09:06 AM
Ok, thanks. As usual, the fact I should stay away from it feels like a good reason to try it!


Can't do just now but it's high on the list.

jackass22
01-26-2018, 09:26 AM
Its higher control by playin topspin with 43 then with 48? Does the rhyzer 43 have shorter trajectory by topspin then 48 ?

I have rhyzer 48 and finally it doesnt have so thin topsheet than bluestorm/i dont like feeling by very thin topsheet-its very uncontrolable by playing contratopsin with bh-it kicks).

48 is very good, but if the 43 is the same with higher control/i am never play topspin by 100%, i prefer slower very spinny loops for preparation to play final strong topspin/.

yogi_bear
01-26-2018, 04:58 PM
43 has shorter trajectory than 48, but it is still very fast. 2 friends of mine who are used to fast rubbers tried both z1 and r43, they can control the z1 better.

zaw thwe
01-30-2018, 03:07 AM
is Rhyzer 43 softer than rhyzm p?please compare spin speed and controlof these two rubbers .rasanter 47 is hard sponge for me.i like the softness of rhyzm p.

yogi_bear
01-30-2018, 04:21 AM
Yes rhyzer 43 is softer than rhyzm-p

zaw thwe
01-30-2018, 06:14 AM
Does u mean soft but faster than rhyzm p?generally hard rubber is faster than soft.

jackass22
01-30-2018, 10:16 AM
Rhyzer 48 has same hardness like rhyzm-p/despite value in description/. Rhyzm-p has thinner topsheet than rhyzer 48.

yogi_bear
01-30-2018, 04:39 PM
Despite the rhyzer 43 being softer than the rhyzm p, te rhyzer 43 is still faster. When i say the rhyzer 48 and 43 are fast, it is already an understatement.

Yecats Encerwal
01-30-2018, 05:20 PM
I've ordered Rhyzer 48 on a Tibhar Samsonov Stratus Carbon... What do you guys think?

I will let you guys know what its like once I've worn it in a bit :)

thomas.pong
01-30-2018, 06:23 PM
I've ordered Rhyzer 48 on a Tibhar Samsonov Stratus Carbon... What do you guys think?

I will let you guys know what its like once I've worn it in a bit :)

Do you live on Guernsey Island?

Suga D
01-30-2018, 07:10 PM
Rhyzm-p has thinner topsheet than rhyzer 48.
Are you sure it's not the other way around?
Rhyzer is advertised as thin topsheet with ultramax sponge whereas Rhyzm-P is from an older generation that don't come with ultramax sponges.
I think you mixed that one up.

jackass22
01-30-2018, 09:00 PM
Yes i am sure.
Rhyzer has surely hadder and thicker topsheet than new generation rubber(rasanter and bluestorm).
Rhyzm-p has more elastic topsheet than rhyzer.

Airoc
01-30-2018, 10:48 PM
Yes i am sure.
Rhyzer has surely hadder and thicker topsheet than new generation rubber(rasanter and bluestorm).


Joola uses the same sales arguments for Rhyzer as everybody else. "Extremely thin and grippy surface" that "enables an ever thicker sponge".

I have no idea where that puts it compared to Rhyzm-P, but it shouldn´t be far off Rasanter, bluestorm or Aurus versions. Of course there are rubbers with harder topsheets and those with softer topsheets among all those, but the overall concept is identical.

Suga D
01-30-2018, 11:06 PM
Yes i am sure.
Rhyzer has surely hadder and thicker topsheet than new generation rubber(rasanter and bluestorm).
Rhyzm-p has more elastic topsheet than rhyzer.

Interesting. Maybe you've received a monday's production or maybe...

Anyway, TT89player (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?22706-tt89player) has written something else in his blog and I have no reason to not trust his review capabilities.
http://www.tt-spin.de/joola-rhyzer-48/

Also one of my teammates played the rhyzm-p until last december and his topsheet wasn't much thinner than rubbers from the same generation of tensor rubbers.

I believe that the rhyzm-p's topsheet might have felt softer to you than rhyzer's topsheet, but the rhyzer clearly follows the same concept as the other tensors from the newest generation like rasanter, bluestorm, Aurus prime etc.

jackass22
01-31-2018, 07:00 AM
i know joola"s description. I have played with rasanter and blue storm. They hava totally another feeling, much more softer topsheet. Maye the thickness is the same, but its tottaly softer.
I love rhyzer feeling, they have fantastic with plastic ball. We will see in near feature, when disapears factory tunning.

Airoc
01-31-2018, 02:33 PM
much more softer topsheet. Maye the thickness is the same, but its tottaly softer.

True for some, not for all. bluestorm Z1 for example has a harder topsheet than Z2, and I am not sure all Rasanter are the same.


I love rhyzer feeling

Me too.

yogi_bear
01-31-2018, 04:45 PM
Z1's topsheet structure is different from rhyzer. The z1 topsheet has shorter pip structure.

Yecats Encerwal
01-31-2018, 05:39 PM
Do you live on Guernsey Island?

I do, yes :)

Airoc
01-31-2018, 05:39 PM
Z1's topsheet structure is different from rhyzer. The z1 topsheet has shorter pip structure.

I think that with this generation (thinner topsheets and as a result thicker sponge in max, whatever the call it) there really is a good variety of recipes out there. Where you could say that Genius equals x-plode to a fraction and there were similarities between bluefires and Evolutions and so on, this time the companies really tried to release noticeably different products.

Choice, a good thing.

thomas.pong
01-31-2018, 05:47 PM
I do, yes :)

Wow cool. Do you play at a club there? I actually live close by now, there’s a boat that takes off from my city. I visited Guernsey twice as a kid, nice place.

jackass22
01-31-2018, 07:47 PM
What is your opinion on sensitivity of rhyzer to incoming spin.
I have feeling, that is very sensitive(much more than bluefire, rasanter, bluestorm...less then tenergy 05) to incoming spin. Its difficult to receive serve in comparison to other new generation tensor.
But as i aid, i have played only -6 hours with rhyzer, maybe factory tuning. But i think, that this sensitivity for incoming spin is due the grippy topsheet, not factory tunning. We will see.
What is your experience?

yogi_bear
02-01-2018, 01:30 AM
Not much problem with sensitivity for rhyzers bu it is really the speed and bounciness.

Yecats Encerwal
02-01-2018, 01:36 PM
Wow cool. Do you play at a club there? I actually live close by now, there’s a boat that takes off from my city. I visited Guernsey twice as a kid, nice place.

Yeh we have one club which has 12 permanent match tables + around 10 permanent practice tables :)

I try and play as much as possible in England and the rest of the UK, as we are eligible for a UK ranking/rating.

Guernsey also sends a team to the British League, and we are currently aiming for promotion into the Championship division :)

thomas.pong
02-01-2018, 07:15 PM
Yeh we have one club which has 12 permanent match tables + around 10 permanent practice tables :)

I try and play as much as possible in England and the rest of the UK, as we are eligible for a UK ranking/rating.

Guernsey also sends a team to the British League, and we are currently aiming for promotion into the Championship division :)

That's great! What's the name of your club? If possible I'd like to come play there in the next few months when I visit Guernsey. I'm planning to tour the island with my wife soon (we just moved to Brittany from Los Angeles).

yogi_bear
02-02-2018, 01:58 AM
I think 2.0mm for both versions are fast enough and controllable too.

Yecats Encerwal
02-06-2018, 05:19 PM
I've ordered Rhyzer 48 on a Tibhar Samsonov Stratus Carbon... What do you guys think?

I will let you guys know what its like once I've worn it in a bit :)

I've played with this combination now a couple times, and I have to say so far, I really like it.

Rhyzer 48 has tremendous power when you put your arm through it, but the Stratus Carbon is just about slow enough compared to other carbon blades to keep the whole setup feeling exceptionally controlled. I've managed to generate more spin with Rhyzer 48 than I felt I could with Rhyzm-P, but perhaps that is mostly down to my Rhyzers being brand new ;)

The sweet spot on the Stratus carbon is definitely smaller than other carbon blades, but still perfectly fine for most players and it feels/sounds great when you find it!

:)

yogi_bear
02-07-2018, 02:09 AM
I will need to ask for a 2.0 of rhyzer 48. It was like Adidas Tenzone max before that was too fast for my forehand but when it was at 2.0mm the control went better.

romanzdk
03-16-2018, 11:10 PM
Could you compare Rhyzer 48 with any Tenergy? In terms of speed, hardness, spin, throw..

yogi_bear
03-17-2018, 07:10 PM
Tenergy is still spinnier but the rhyzer 48 is faster than tenergy even with t64. Rhyzer 48 has a longer somewhat a bit lower throw.

BryanY
02-28-2019, 06:58 PM
I’m looking to replace my worn out sheets of Rhyzm-P and I’m wondering how Rhyzer 43 compares.

It definitely sounds like Rhyzer 43 is faster and more catapulty. Does it produce more spin too?

I would be gluing it onto a Stiga Infinity VPS. Too fast? Decent control for looping?

yogi_bear
02-28-2019, 07:42 PM
With the infinity, i guess it would be controllable. The Rhyzer is much more durable than the Rhyzm-p, also spinner

BryanY
11-16-2019, 08:06 PM
I decided to add my review of Rhyzer 48.


I spent 6-7 months using Rhyzer 48 as my forehand rubber. (3 months on a Stiga Infinity VPS and then 4 months on a JOOLA Nobilis PBO-c). My rating is usually around 1500 - 1600 USATT, I train once a week with a coach and compete in a league once a week also.

Initial Impressions

The first thing that stands out about Rhyzer 48 is the speed. It's really quite fast, Tenergy 64 and Evolution MX-P feel slow in comparison. The good news is that its relatively easy to create enough topspin to consistently keep the ball on the table. As long as you have proper body rotation and weight transfer all you need to do is hit deep into the sponge and the ball will come out with a lot of spin. When I let friends hit with my paddle, I've noticed that the people with mediocre body rotation tend to hit the ball long. (Those people usually flip my paddle around to the side with Rhyzer 43, and have much more success with the softer sponge). The throw angle trajectory of Rhyzer 48 is medium to medium high.

The topsheet for Rhyzer 48 (and 43) is thin, soft, and features narrow pimples. The result is that the ball easily penetrates through the rubber and into the sponge. The result is that rubber and sponge engage easily and fling the ball out with lots of spin. The soft topsheet seems to easily surround and grip the ball. It doesn't take much effort to create spin. All one needs to do is hit directly into the sponge when driving/looping. Brush loopers who are used to tacky Chinese rubber (Hurricane 3) will hate using Rhyzer. Brush loopers would be better suited to trying out "Rhyzer Pro (50 or 45)" which features a harder topsheet with thicker pimples and tiny bit more tack. [Or jut get Golden Tango]

Driving / Looping
Rhyzer 48 is hands down my favorite rubber for looping backspin balls. It's almost effortless to loop backspin balls with spin, power, and consistency. One of my friends decided to switch to Rhyzer after seeing how effective my backspin loops had become. Something about the soft topsheet and thick sponge just helps to lift the ball with consistent spin and power. I don't use 48 on backhand, so i can't comment on back hand looping. Personally i have more trouble controlling 48 on backhand compared to 43.

During topspin rallies the rubber does a lot of the work for you. It works really well when hitting at 70-80% power. On the hardest/fastest shots it's less stable then a hard rubber like Rhyzer Pro 50. Also Rhyzer 48 is not that linear compared to harder rubbers.

From mid to long distance this rubber is amazing. You can power loop from distance easily. It's really a lot of fun.

Touch Play

The tradeoff with the soft topsheet is that it's very bouncy even during soft touches. I didn't have any problems with serves, but short pushes were a major problem for me. I can't tell you how many times someone would serve short backspin to my forehand and then I'd try to push it back short, only to instead pop the ball too high or too far and watch my opponent get the first opening attack. Some of this was due to the fact that I don't train touch play enough. I began practicing touch play with my coach more often and my forehand pushes became more manageable. Also, when i switched from the Stiga Infinity blade to the JOOLA Nobilis, the soft hinoki outerplies of the of the Nobilis seem to help a lot with keeping my pushes short and low. Even though the Nobilis is a much faster blade than the Infinity, the soft outerplies help to mitigate the bounciness of the rubber during touch play. (The infinity has a harder touch than most Limba outer blades because of special wood treatment ["Diamond Touch" and "VPS"]. The bottom line is that if you are going to use Rhyzer 48 then you need either good touch play skills or a soft outer ply blade. (Rhyzer Pro 50 is less bouncy during touch play. But of course there is a whole different set of tradeoffs with R50)

Blocking

Blocking seemed decent to me. It blocks fast which can be good or bad depending on your style and the type of ball you are dealing with. Blocking trajectory is medium.

Flicking

I don't really forehand flick that much. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to give a review on that. I haven't tried backhand flicking with 48 either.

Chopping

Don't even bother

Durability

Average. A little better than MX-P and Rhyzm-P.

Conclusion

For a player of my skill level it pairs well with an OFF rated or slower blade. At my skill level I would not use an OFF+ rated blade (and it really doesn't need the extra speed). I haven't tried it with a blade that has the carbon fiber positioned towards the outer plies (Viscaria, TB ALC, JOOLA Energon, etc...), but I assume that it might be more difficult to control during touch play and maybe even looping. I can at least tell you that I was happy with Rhyzer 48 on inner carbon blades and all wood blades.

Overall I liked this rubber and even bought it again. However my coach thinks that I should now use a harder rubber on forehand and recommended Rhyzer Pro 50 which I have been using for two weeks. 50 is more linear, less bouncy during touch play, and really rewards me when I hit the ball perfectly. The tradeoff with 50 is that it really punishes me with crappy spin when I don't hit the ball perfectly. So, consider that when you choose your rubber. (I haven't tried the new Rhyzer Pro 45 yet)

Cornerer
11-16-2019, 08:45 PM
I seriously don't like this generation of "RhyXXX" rubbers from Joola ehich demands sponge engagement. Maybe I'm too used to easy spin offered by tenergy and tacky Chinese rubbers, but the Rhyzer really falls short of those when it comes to short games and slow opening loops. Under my techniques I got even less spin than original Rhyzm when doing these types of shots.

It seems to be blade dependent as well. Take Rhyzer 48 for example, when paired to my stiff yet very fast Yasaka Reinforce HC blade, the rubber has a strong tendency of offering very low/long throw of shots that are really hard to have the sponge to get engaged before the ball already shoots out to opponents stomach. This also makes spin generation really difficult. Pairing it on my friend's Viscaria and it's instantly way better, but still fall short of spin levels of Hurricane/Sanwei Target/Haifu etc.

BryanY
11-16-2019, 09:08 PM
I seriously don't like this generation of "RhyXXX" rubbers from Joola ehich demands sponge engagement. Maybe I'm too used to easy spin offered by tenergy and tacky Chinese rubbers, but the Rhyzer really falls short of those when it comes to short games and slow opening loops. Under my techniques I got even less spin than original Rhyzm when doing these types of shots.

It seems to be blade dependent as well. Take Rhyzer 48 for example, when compared to my stiff yet very fast Yasaka Reinforce HC blade, the rubber has a strong tendency of offering very low/long throw of shots that are really hard to have the sponge to get engaged before the ball already shoots out to opponents stomach. This also makes spin generation really difficult. Pairing it on my friend's Viscaria and it's instantly way better, but still fall short of spin levels of Hurricane/Sanwei Target/Haifu etc.

For me, Rhyzer is very easy to create spin and slow loop with. Just a little bit of forward motion engages the rubber/sponge and creates spin. It's just not designed for brush loopers. Rhyzer Pro is a little better for that, and obviously Golden Tango is even better.

Zeen
11-17-2019, 12:56 AM
I like rhyzer 48 on my BH. soft topsheet makes it easy to accelerate the ball and open up the rally, despite not being a soft rubber. the high throw is also nice. Overall it's almost as good as mercury 2 medium boosted.

yogi_bear
11-17-2019, 11:37 AM
Rhyzer 48 on the bh is a good bh to bh rally rubber especially bh punches

Cornerer
11-26-2019, 12:47 PM
I seriously don't like this generation of "RhyXXX" rubbers from Joola ehich demands sponge engagement. Maybe I'm too used to easy spin offered by tenergy and tacky Chinese rubbers, but the Rhyzer really falls short of those when it comes to short games and slow opening loops. Under my techniques I got even less spin than original Rhyzm when doing these types of shots.

It seems to be blade dependent as well. Take Rhyzer 48 for example, when paired to my stiff yet very fast Yasaka Reinforce HC blade, the rubber has a strong tendency of offering very low/long throw of shots that are really hard to have the sponge to get engaged before the ball already shoots out to opponents stomach. This also makes spin generation really difficult. Pairing it on my friend's Viscaria and it's instantly way better, but still fall short of spin levels of Hurricane/Sanwei Target/Haifu etc.
Gotten myself a new piece Rhyzer 50 Pro as the 48 is too worn out at this point. The 50 is just so much better. I finally have the option to execute spinny brush loops sometimes thanks to stiffer sponge and larger pimples, instead of keep having to hit through sponge/topsheet just to obtain any kinds of proper control/spin. Still goes super fast but now being able to topspin much harder with same forward movement makes dipping ball back to table easier.

BryanY
11-26-2019, 02:27 PM
Gotten myself a new piece Rhyzer 50 Pro as the 48 is too worn out at this point. The 50 is just so much better. I finally have the option to execute spinny brush loops sometimes thanks to stiffer sponge and larger pimples, instead of keep having to hit through sponge/topsheet just to obtain any kinds of proper control/spin. Still goes super fast but now being able to topspin much harder with same forward movement makes dipping ball back to table easier.

This confirms my review that people who like to brush loop will hate Rhyzer 48 and would be better off with Pro 50.

That said... I’m a hit through the sponge guy and had a lot of success with 48. But I’m trying Pro 50 now because my coach recommended it for me. Also I’m very curious about the new Pro 45 version. Maybe the same behavior as Pro 50, but more forgiving?

YV13
12-25-2019, 08:19 PM
I decided to add my review of Rhyzer 48.


I spent 6-7 months using Rhyzer 48 as my forehand rubber. (3 months on a Stiga Infinity VPS and then 4 months on a JOOLA Nobilis PBO-c). My rating is usually around 1500 - 1600 USATT, I train once a week with a coach and compete in a league once a week also.

Initial Impressions

The first thing that stands out about Rhyzer 48 is the speed. It's really quite fast, Tenergy 64 and Evolution MX-P feel slow in comparison. The good news is that its relatively easy to create enough topspin to consistently keep the ball on the table. As long as you have proper body rotation and weight transfer all you need to do is hit deep into the sponge and the ball will come out with a lot of spin. When I let friends hit with my paddle, I've noticed that the people with mediocre body rotation tend to hit the ball long. (Those people usually flip my paddle around to the side with Rhyzer 43, and have much more success with the softer sponge). The throw angle trajectory of Rhyzer 48 is medium to medium high.

The topsheet for Rhyzer 48 (and 43) is thin, soft, and features narrow pimples. The result is that the ball easily penetrates through the rubber and into the sponge. The result is that rubber and sponge engage easily and fling the ball out with lots of spin. The soft topsheet seems to easily surround and grip the ball. It doesn't take much effort to create spin. All one needs to do is hit directly into the sponge when driving/looping. Brush loopers who are used to tacky Chinese rubber (Hurricane 3) will hate using Rhyzer. Brush loopers would be better suited to trying out "Rhyzer Pro (50 or 45)" which features a harder topsheet with thicker pimples and tiny bit more tack. [Or jut get Golden Tango]

Driving / Looping
Rhyzer 48 is hands down my favorite rubber for looping backspin balls. It's almost effortless to loop backspin balls with spin, power, and consistency. One of my friends decided to switch to Rhyzer after seeing how effective my backspin loops had become. Something about the soft topsheet and thick sponge just helps to lift the ball with consistent spin and power. I don't use 48 on backhand, so i can't comment on back hand looping. Personally i have more trouble controlling 48 on backhand compared to 43.

During topspin rallies the rubber does a lot of the work for you. It works really well when hitting at 70-80% power. On the hardest/fastest shots it's less stable then a hard rubber like Rhyzer Pro 50. Also Rhyzer 48 is not that linear compared to harder rubbers.

From mid to long distance this rubber is amazing. You can power loop from distance easily. It's really a lot of fun.

Touch Play

The tradeoff with the soft topsheet is that it's very bouncy even during soft touches. I didn't have any problems with serves, but short pushes were a major problem for me. I can't tell you how many times someone would serve short backspin to my forehand and then I'd try to push it back short, only to instead pop the ball too high or too far and watch my opponent get the first opening attack. Some of this was due to the fact that I don't train touch play enough. I began practicing touch play with my coach more often and my forehand pushes became more manageable. Also, when i switched from the Stiga Infinity blade to the JOOLA Nobilis, the soft hinoki outerplies of the of the Nobilis seem to help a lot with keeping my pushes short and low. Even though the Nobilis is a much faster blade than the Infinity, the soft outerplies help to mitigate the bounciness of the rubber during touch play. (The infinity has a harder touch than most Limba outer blades because of special wood treatment ["Diamond Touch" and "VPS"]. The bottom line is that if you are going to use Rhyzer 48 then you need either good touch play skills or a soft outer ply blade. (Rhyzer Pro 50 is less bouncy during touch play. But of course there is a whole different set of tradeoffs with R50)

Blocking

Blocking seemed decent to me. It blocks fast which can be good or bad depending on your style and the type of ball you are dealing with. Blocking trajectory is medium.

Flicking

I don't really forehand flick that much. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to give a review on that. I haven't tried backhand flicking with 48 either.

Chopping

Don't even bother

Durability

Average. A little better than MX-P and Rhyzm-P.

Conclusion

For a player of my skill level it pairs well with an OFF rated or slower blade. At my skill level I would not use an OFF+ rated blade (and it really doesn't need the extra speed). I haven't tried it with a blade that has the carbon fiber positioned towards the outer plies (Viscaria, TB ALC, JOOLA Energon, etc...), but I assume that it might be more difficult to control during touch play and maybe even looping. I can at least tell you that I was happy with Rhyzer 48 on inner carbon blades and all wood blades.

Overall I liked this rubber and even bought it again. However my coach thinks that I should now use a harder rubber on forehand and recommended Rhyzer Pro 50 which I have been using for two weeks. 50 is more linear, less bouncy during touch play, and really rewards me when I hit the ball perfectly. The tradeoff with 50 is that it really punishes me with crappy spin when I don't hit the ball perfectly. So, consider that when you choose your rubber. (I haven't tried the new Rhyzer Pro 45 yet)

Thank you for your review! Could you answer severl questions please?
Did you try Pro 45 yet? If yes how is it?
Do you like Pro series better now? With what rubber is it easier to generate spin, 48(43) or Pro? Which easier to control?
What is your set up now for forehand and backhand?

BryanY
12-26-2019, 07:07 PM
Thank you for your review! Could you answer severl questions please?
Did you try Pro 45 yet? If yes how is it?
Do you like Pro series better now? With what rubber is it easier to generate spin, 48(43) or Pro? Which easier to control?
What is your set up now for forehand and backhand?

I still haven't tried Rhyzer Pro 45 yet. It hasnt been on sale yet. Looking forward to eventually trying it.

Rhyzer 43 is the easiest to use out of the 4 rubbers. Easiest to create spin and easiest to control, but still quite fast. It also has a very high throw angle, which might be good or bad (But probably good for less advanced players).

I'm currently using Pro 50 on forehand and 43 on backhand with the Nobilis blade. Pro 50 is not as easy to use and took some time to get used to, but I like it a lot right now (as a forehand rubber). It's less bouncy on soft touch shots so I can keep my pushes short and low. I had to add a little more brushing motion to my looping technique compared to 43/48 where I would just hit hard through the sponge to spin the ball. Pro 50 has a low throw angle which is more risky but also makes my shots harder to block.

YV13
12-26-2019, 08:44 PM
Thank you so much for the info! If you try Pro 45, please let me know. I'm afraid Pro50 is too advanced for me, maybe 45 will be better since 48 is too bouncy. 43 will be for backhand. Have a happy New Year!!!

slevin
01-02-2020, 09:46 PM
I'm currently using Pro 50 on forehand and 43 on backhand with the Nobilis blade. Pro 50 is not as easy to use and took some time to get used to, but I like it a lot right now (as a forehand rubber). It's less bouncy on soft touch shots so I can keep my pushes short and low. I had to add a little more brushing motion to my looping technique compared to 43/48 where I would just hit hard through the sponge to spin the ball. Pro 50 has a low throw angle which is more risky but also makes my shots harder to block.

BryanY: IMHO, ignore coaches. Let me guess: the club they are in has a Joola sponsorship, right?

Rhyzer 48 is too bouncy (and soft) for the chinese coaches to recommend. Rhyzer 50 is hard enough (scalable to when one becomes 2500). However, IMHO, it is only right rubber for someone > 1900 IF you have proper technique (or, if you're a kid and training almost daily, > 1800). You need something not too soft (perhaps 46-47 deg), not too bouncy, not low throw and easy to generate spin with. Using 50 deg rubber shall adversely affect your recovery time. For you, even Nittaku Fastarc G1 would be great (especially as you mentioned you like to spin more with sponge than with topsheet).

jackass22
01-13-2020, 07:45 AM
I cant agree with Cornerer. IMO opinion is rhyzer 48 very good form brushing, one the best and easiest rubber for spining to backspin. Its also very good for counters. Its quite slow on first spinny topspin and very fast on countering, dream rubber:). I think, it depends of blade. It plays very well with all wood blade, f.e. donic persson powerplay and zylon blade.


This confirms my review that people who like to brush loop will hate Rhyzer 48 and would be better off with Pro 50.

That said... I’m a hit through the sponge guy and had a lot of success with 48. But I’m trying Pro 50 now because my coach recommended it for me. Also I’m very curious about the new Pro 45 version. Maybe the same behavior as Pro 50, but more forgiving?