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mrsidespin
02-12-2018, 09:16 AM
I have been living in the area for almost two years. Just started getting into table tennis again and currently playing at TuS Eintracht. Aiming to figure out the whole Hessen/Rheinland-Pfalz tischtennis scene but it can be difficult since mein Deutsch ist schlecht. If anyone is interested in playing or offering coaching services in the area please let me know. Thanks

Xylit
02-12-2018, 09:33 AM
Hi!
How old are you?

mrsidespin
02-12-2018, 09:46 AM
I am 32 yo male from Maryland, USA


Hi!
How old are you?

Xylit
02-12-2018, 10:07 AM
I have been playing table tennis for over two decades in South Germany and I have not met a single adult amateur player yet that gets personal coaching. I think this is a bit different to USA, at least from what I have read about that in this forum. It sounds like it is quite common to find a coach there and pay him for some lessons.

In South Germany it is quite easy to get good training and coaching as a decent kid. As an adult however, you are either lucky that there is a training partner in your club with coaching experience who you coudl ask for advice or you play on such a high level that your club provides a trainer for an adult group. It is quite uncommon to get professional coaching as an adult regularly at an amateur level. You have to be really lucky to find someone near your area who is willing to do that for a bit of money.

mrsidespin
02-12-2018, 11:41 AM
The only coaches that I knew of back in Maryland were about an hour or so away in Gaithersburg. I managed to get over that way once and got a lesson from Jack Huang. Larry Hodges and Yinghua Cheng also gave lessons there. They charged about a dollar a minute for private coaching. I believe I need a little coaching to get over bad habits I picked up playing as a kid without any direction. Parents got me a table when I was around 9 and maybe i am guessing due to having small hands at the time grew up holding the paddle with my thumb supporting the back. I feel like this helps with the crazy amount of sidespin I can put on the ball but hinders everything else (maybe also have advantage on chop). I switch between that bad habit to at least bringing on my index finger (modified seemiller?) and that lets me do topsin. I have been able to hold my own to other Germans coming to the table I am at but maybe its just that the higher level players know not to waste their time :) Roland Tedjasukmana gives lessons near me but I believe the available hours don't work for me at the moment.

hills4ever
02-12-2018, 11:50 AM
Just for heck of it.
I am actually bit interested in this matter.
I will appreciate your honest thoughts.
As SOME might know, XIOM EUROPE is located nearby Frankfurt. (Somewhat fairly close to Wiesbaden)

In Korea and Japan, there are many coaches that offer great coaching.
Meanwhile In Germany it is very hard to find any coaches that can offer such service.
I've seen coaching service nearby Koln, but I think it is very very rare.

If XIOM is interested investing in table tennis sport hall, and invite coaches from Korea, Japan, or China to coach adults in Germany. Do you think people will be interested? IF so, how much do you guys feel is reasonable pay?

mrsidespin
02-12-2018, 01:45 PM
The XIOM Europe location in Eschborn? If so it looks like its only 20 minutes away from me. I need to check it out. Is it just a store or can anyone go there to play as well? I also need to check out the Butterfly store in Giessen. Any other places I need to know about :) ? I was just in Dusseldorf for the asian grocery / Japanese Curry... just found out that is where Timo plays.

I know I would be interested in a few lessons but not sure what a fair rate would be... I suppose the max I would want to pay would be 40 Euro an hour.

Is there a certain level that is needed before league play is even worth pursuing? I would love to eventually compete.

Xylit
02-12-2018, 02:04 PM
Is there a certain level that is needed before league play is even worth pursuing? I would love to eventually compete.
The lowest league is for beginners. As soon as you are able to keep a ball on the table for a few times and to serve legally you can give it a go, especially if you would love to do that. Maybe you will lose most of your matches but who cares? It is still fun and you will improve a lot :)

I assume you have already played a bit of table tennis in the past so maybe you don't even have to stay in the lowest league too long ;)

Just ask your club mates what they think about you participating in one of their teams. They know best where to put you in.

thomas.pong
02-12-2018, 04:32 PM
I'm in a similar situation as you having played the last 3 years in the US and having just moved back to France. I joined a really good club and team here in France, my level is good enough that they placed me in team 4 to start off before I move up to team 3, and hopefully higher divisions after a few years. We practice 3-4 times a week, which mostly consists of rallying and games with players of all levels (no lessons like for the kids) and league games are on the weekend. I would also like to do more multiball and drills on top of that, like the lessons I would take when I first started in the US, so I'm going to ask some of the higher players who teach the kids, and maybe some of the team 1 players who play at the national level if they could give me lessons at the club on the side for money, or come over to my place once I get a table soon. I suggest you do the same at your club or at some of the nearby clubs. Like Xylit also said, I think joining one of the teams of your club is a great idea even if you start with the lowest division team, you'll get team practices where clubmates will help you out, gain experience, improve, meet lots of players around your area, visit lots of clubs and work you way up the team divisions and rating as you get better.

Suga D
02-12-2018, 10:06 PM
Ok, this might become a longer post. Mightaswell get yourself a cup 'o tea first.
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Just for heck of it.
I am actually bit interested in this matter.
I will appreciate your honest thoughts.
As SOME might know, XIOM EUROPE is located nearby Frankfurt. (Somewhat fairly close to Wiesbaden)

In Korea and Japan, there are many coaches that offer great coaching.
Meanwhile In Germany it is very hard to find any coaches that can offer such service.
I've seen coaching service nearby Koln, but I think it is very very rare.

If XIOM is interested investing in table tennis sport hall, and invite coaches from Korea, Japan, or China to coach adults in Germany. Do you think people will be interested? IF so, how much do you guys feel is reasonable pay?

Well there are already japanese and chinese coaches here.
Afaik Fulda's coach is Meng QingYu. His son Meng FanBo is also a promising talent.
Frickenhausen's coach is Qiu JianXin. His sons Qiu Dang and Qiu Liang are also pretty good.
In Braunfels (Oberliga Hessen) there is Gao Xiaojun.
In Bad Königshofen the headcoach is Itagaki Koji

So the market is there but it's no easy biz. To be honest some coaches are looking for employment too. Best thing would be to contact the club managers and/or TT'assosciations like HeTTV, BTTV and such.
Actually Xiom player and TTD member the TTR-Hunter Simon Sangals should be able to help Isaac on this. Victas/TSP and the japanese website "shakehands" raised their output and PR-campaigns too.
http://www.shands.jp
So no need for Xiom to hold themselves back here.
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I have been living in the area for almost two years. Just started getting into table tennis again and currently playing at TuS Eintracht. Aiming to figure out the whole Hessen/Rheinland-Pfalz tischtennis scene but it can be difficult since mein Deutsch ist schlecht. If anyone is interested in playing or offering coaching services in the area please let me know. Thanks


I have been playing table tennis for over two decades in South Germany and I have not met a single adult amateur player yet that gets personal coaching. I think this is a bit different to USA, at least from what I have read about that in this forum. It sounds like it is quite common to find a coach there and pay him for some lessons.

In South Germany it is quite easy to get good training and coaching as a decent kid. As an adult however, you are either lucky that there is a training partner in your club with coaching experience who you coudl ask for advice or you play on such a high level that your club provides a trainer for an adult group. It is quite uncommon to get professional coaching as an adult regularly at an amateur level. You have to be really lucky to find someone near your area who is willing to do that for a bit of money.

The situation isn't as dark and depressing as Xylit has described though he's close to reality.
However, because of this i've organised a coach who's a friend and used to be a former working mate who comes to our club once a month to coach us adults. If you like to i can send you the dates via pm.
Their website is: http://www.ck-tischtennis.de
He, his wife and his team also coach at other clubs like TTG Bingen/Münster-Sarmsheim from the Damen-Bundesliga (highest female league) and from my Information also more frequently than just once a month. Two of them are in your area. One is in Mainz Nieder-Olm the other in Wiesbaden-Dotzheim.
At some clubs you don't have to be a member to participate at the lessons, but you might have to pay a bit more than if you were a member.
But it's still affordable.
Club coaching is something around €10,- for 2h for external players. One on One coaching is around €30,-



Einzeltraining
Anzahl der Spieler Trainingdauer Preise pro Spieler
1 Spieler 60 Minuten 30 €
1 Spieler 90 Minuten 45 €
2 Spieler 60 Minuten 15 €
2 Spieler 90 Minuten 22,50 €
zzgl. Fahrtkosten 0,30 €/km

Not sure how good they speak english though, so in case you need translation mightaswell just join our club.
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These are just a few options.

There are more coaches that come to clubs:
like https://www.loris-tischtennis.de
You can also book some pros/ former pros like Thomas Keinath.
Or you can visit TT-Schools https://qiutts.de (who's also coaching 2nd Bundesliga team Frickenhausen. The coach his son is German National team member Qiu Dang)
Or
https://www.topspin-sport.de in the very south of Germany.
The Butterfly TT-school in Grenzau
https://www.zugbruecke.de/de/Wellnesshotel-Zugbrücke-Grenzau/Butterfly-Tischtennis-Schule/4/
Or the Andro tt-school in Düsseldorf
https://www.borussia-duesseldorf.com/tt-schule/kurstermine-anmeldung/

Just to name a few. Certainly there are more.

Sorry for the novel...

Der_Echte
02-12-2018, 11:30 PM
Sugar, next time you apologize for making a proper detailed post to help someone big time, ima gunna go bust u in da chops.

Pound the like button on Sugar post.

I used to live in Wiesbaden before I discovered tt. Heck, I was also likely in the DC Maryland area same time as OP might have run across him.

Sugar, the Dotzheim location looks good... that isn't too far east of the city gym.

I also told OP that the huge city gym on 2Ring has open tt for adults twice a week... VfR Wiesbaden there are a few 1900 to 2000+ USATT level players there who speak English. Their membership is real puny, only so many Teuros a year.

I think OP could get on one of the lower men's teams.

Even if OP is just hitting with whoever at the club during adult training time, then he could still pick up stuff and develop some.

MSS, I would strongly advise you to take the first two semesters of German on post at Univ of Maryland. Often, that is as far as it gets with minimum enrollment. Otherwise, take a night class at the Volkshochschule, it is in an ex us army camp right across the street from KFC chicken on Schiersteiner Str. A few months of that or the first few semesters of Univ of M will get you enough foundation to express a chunk of what you want to say and grow from there.

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Der_Echte
02-12-2018, 11:32 PM
I have also heard of the lehrgang tt road show, but that could be for kids.

Either way, OP has as good or better chances for growing his tt over there than FIGHTING through an hour of traffic in the DMV.

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Der_Echte
02-12-2018, 11:46 PM
MSS,

Don't worry too much about learning enough German to go on ZDF and make nation speeches, just try real hard to improve. People will see that effort and respect your willingness to try stuff their way, even if you fail. Often, that level of effort will get you a good ending.

American go to Germany and DEMAND stuff be done in English as most have English traing... but that attitude will get a person nowhere fast.

You try and struggle and not give up, that will open up a lot of good stuff for you.

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Baal
02-13-2018, 02:06 AM
To the OP. Contact Suga and get to know him. You wont regret it!

mrsidespin
02-13-2018, 07:36 AM
Thank you for all the information Suga D! I will have to visit your club sometime for sure but wouldn't be able to go there on a common basis due to the hour commute. I have four young kids at home and I need to be careful not to overextend myself :) As far as coaching it seems like my best bet would be to inquire about the coach you mentioned located in Dotzheim.

mrsidespin
02-13-2018, 07:55 AM
Thanks for the advice Der_Echte. I'll see if I can make it to VfR Wiesbadens next open adult play. I also plan on seeing what activities I can get my oldest (8) involved in. I know I want him to learn to play table tennis but also need to get him involved in soccer or maybe gymnastics and maybe the same club will have something available.

thomas.pong
02-13-2018, 08:16 AM
Thanks for the advice Der_Echte. I'll see if I can make it to VfR Wiesbadens next open adult play. I also plan on seeing what activities I can get my oldest (8) involved in. I know I want him to learn to play table tennis but also need to get him involved in soccer or maybe gymnastics and maybe the same club will have something available.

8 is a good age to start TT, most pros started at 7 or younger.

Der_Echte
02-13-2018, 07:27 PM
I think Naurod also has a club... that is maybe 10 min. from where you live... You drive by it every day.

Yeah, they got a club... TG 1890 Naurod.

http://www.tg-naurod.de/cms/index.php/tischtennis/trainingszeiten-tt

Looks like the same Tues and Friday 8PM adult training times in the Kellerskopfhalle.

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Der_Echte
02-13-2018, 07:33 PM
Thanks for the advice Der_Echte. I'll see if I can make it to VfR Wiesbadens next open adult play. I also plan on seeing what activities I can get my oldest (8) involved in. I know I want him to learn to play table tennis but also need to get him involved in soccer or maybe gymnastics and maybe the same club will have something available.VfR Wiesbaden has Soccer as part of its program. Membership is real cheap. I was wrong before... Rasensport is grass sports... so there it is.

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Baal
02-14-2018, 02:42 PM
I have usually been able to find clubs to play at in Germany even without hosts taking care of me. There seem to be a bunch in every decent sized city. I have done this in Heidelberg and Cologne and Dusseldorff. I don't speak German. (I have not had similar success in France even though I speak French).

A lot of the ones I found play at school gyms in the evenings one or two days a week. The challenge is that some evenings they have league matches and activity slows down a lot in tne summer, whivh of late is the time when I travel to Germany. So I have had to be persistent with the internet and calling club organizers until I find a place. If I lived in Germany it would be easier.

It is intetesting that coaching for adults is so hard to come by, but given the way things are organized it doesn't surprise me.

Xylit
02-14-2018, 05:47 PM
It is intetesting that coaching for adults is so hard to come by, but given the way things are organized it doesn't surprise me.
If you start playing table tennis as a young child you usually get good training at your club. I don't know of a single club that has youth teams but does not offer kids-training with a coach simultaneously. So if you start playing table tennis in Germany as a kid the chances you develop a decent technique are pretty high. Maybe that is why adults don't need personal coaches too often, usually they know all the basiscs already if they started at an early age.

Garrison
02-14-2018, 08:17 PM
I haven't heard of anyone having personal coaches. Ambitious clubs may hire a good adult player from the area to do youth coaching (we had as well when I was younger), some kids have their father do the coaching, but it's never completely individual. If you are good enough, kids get into "Kadertraining" which is more intense with better coaches and the best kids of the regarding area.

Honestly if someone in our club would turn up with his hired personal coach, he would earn a lot of strange looks but I can see that it can be difficult to find a good training partner when you are new

Simas
02-14-2018, 09:34 PM
It is intetesting that coaching for adults is so hard to come by, but given the way things are organized it doesn't surprise me.

I do find it quite strange that it is hard to find a personal coach for an adult too..
If I wanted a coach it wouldn't be a problem as long as I have the money. Fundamentaly, what's the difference for the coach to train an adult or a kid? Maybe there is a shortage of coaches in Germany and all coaches are busy in clubs training kids in groups?

Baal
02-15-2018, 04:51 AM
I started as a kid in Sweden and had good coaching there. I have still benefited a lot from coaching as an adult, but usially for me I only get a lesson once in awhile. At a point though I took lessons from a then current US national champion about once a week for a year. I got better. He was not teaching me basics.

Even pros have coaches. Sometimes you have a problem you need to fix. Sometimes it is just fun to play with a formsr professional player.

But it is more important to just play regularly and have fun. And playing conditions in Germany are really good.

mrsidespin
02-16-2018, 08:04 AM
I went ahead and tried to pull all the data I could find on local clubs. It seems like VfR Wiesbaden and FT Wi.-Schierstein are most available for open play. Minutes and distance are from where I am moving to near the Wiesbaden Hauptbahnhof to the respective club. There are a few at the bottom I still need to get. Theres a noticeable trend that 2 days per week is the average amount of days for open adult play per week. The time of day is about the same too.


Club
Address
Minutes
Distance
Mon
Tue
Wed
Thu
Fri
Sat
Sun


FT Wi.-Schierstein
Hafenschule Schierstein
Zehntenhofstr. 6, 65201 Wiesbaden
16
11.3
1900 - 2200

2000 - 2200

2000 - 2300 (by request)
N/A



VfR Wiesbaden
Sporthalle am 2.Ring Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 55, 65187 Wiesbaden
6
2.3
1930 - 2200

2000 - 2230
2000 - 2230





VfR Wiesbaden
Turnhalle der Friedrich-von-Schiller Schule
Lorcher Str. 12, Eingang Homburger Straße, 65197 Wiesbaden
12
4.5









SC Klarenthal 1968
Große Sporthalle
Geschwister-Scholl-Straße 8, 65197 Wiesbaden-Klarenthal
14
5.7

1930 - 2130


1930 - 2130




SC Klarenthal 1968
Kleine Sporthalle (elementary school)
Geschwister-Scholl-Straße 8, 65197 Wiesbaden-Klarenthal
14
5.7

1930 - 2130


1930 - 2130




TG 1890 Naurod
Kellerskopfhalle
Laurentiusstraße 36, 65207 Wiesbaden-Naurod
17
11

2000 - 2200


2000 - 2200




TG 1890 Naurod
International School
Rudolf-Dietz-Straße 14, 65207 Wiesbaden-Naurod
17
12.7
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt


TSV Auringen 1886
Mehrzweckhalle am Sportplatz
Bremthaler Weg 2, 65207 Wiesbaden-Auringen
19
15.3
19 - 22

2000 - 2200






TuS Dotzheim 1848
Philipp-Reis-Schule Wiesbaden, Mühlborngasse 17, 65199 Wiesbaden
16
6.9
1800 - 2200
1900 - 2200 (by appointment)
N/A






TV 1846 Erbenheim
Justus-von-Liebig-Schule
Lilienthalstr. 11, 65205 Wiesbaden
9
5.1

1930 - 2200

2000 - 2200





TV Frauenstein 1884
TVF-Sporthalle
Bürgermeister-Schneider-Straße 3, 65201 Wiesbaden
11
10.3
1915 - 2300

2015 - 2200






TV Waldstraße Wiesbaden
Vereinshalle
Buchenstraße 2, 65187 Wiesbaden
8
3.2

2000 - 2200


2030 - 2230 (system training)
N/A



SG Germ. Wiesbaden
Germania-Heim
Teutonenstraße 2a, 65187 Wiesbaden
10
4.3
1900 - ?








SV Blau-Gelb Wiesbaden
Heinrich-von-Kleist-Schule
Lorcherstraße, 65197 Wiesbaden
12
4.4




1800 - 2200




SV Blau-Gelb Wiesbaden
Goetheschule
Goethestraße 6, 65203 Wiesbaden
10
4.2









TTC RW 1921 Biebrich
Waldorfschule
Albert-Schweitzer-Allee 42, 65203 Wiesbaden
10
5.1


1930 - 2130






TTC RW 1921 Biebrich
Freiherr-vom-Stein-Schule
Straße der Republik 6, 65203 Wiesbaden
8
3.8









TTC RW 1921 Biebrich
Otto-Stückrath-Schule
Albert-Schweitzer-Allee 40, 65203 Wiesbaden
10
5.2









TuS Dotzheim 1848
Kohlheckschule, Kohlheckstraße 43, 65199 Wiesbaden
15
6.9
1915 - 2200








TuS Et. Wiesbaden 1846
Turnhalle Oranienschule
Eingang Karlstraße, 65185 Wiesbaden
13
3.2
1800 - 2200




1300 - 1700



TV 1846 Erbenheim
Hermann-Ehlers-Schule
Tempelhoferstraße 57, 65205 Wiesbaden
7
4.5




1930 - 2200
1500 - 2000



TV 1886 Igstadt
Jahnhalle
Hauptstraße 15, 65207 Wiesbaden-Igstadt
14
8.1


1900 - ?






TV 1886 Igstadt
Turnhalle der JVA
Holzstraße 29, 65197 Wiesbaden
12
5.2









TV 1890 Breckenheim
Sport- und Kulturhalle
Am alten Weinberg, 65207 Wiesbaden-Breckenheim
15
14.6
2000 - 2200








SC Kohlheck
Friedrich-von-Bodelschwingh-Schule
Pörtschacher Straße 12, 65187 Wiesbaden
10
5.4









TuS 1883 Nordenstadt
Taunushalle
Heerstraße, 65205 Wiesbaden Nordenstadt
13
9.8









TuS 1883 Nordenstadt
Karl-Gärtner-Schule
Wilhelm-Dietz-Straße 5, 65205 Wiesbaden Delkenheim
11
10.4









TV 1877 Kostheim
TVK-Sportzentrum
Hauptstraße 12, 55246 Mainz-Kostheim
12
12.8









TV 1881 Bierstadt
Theodor-Fliedner-Schule (kleine Halle)
Fliednerstraße, Eingang über Parkplatz Biegerstraße, 65191 Wiesbaden
10
4.7

Der_Echte
02-16-2018, 05:47 PM
This is both true and comical if you compare to USA. Wiesbaden metro area (it really isn't a metro) has MAYBE a half million people and you cannot even count how many TT clubs they have organized into competition. LOTS of players both children and adults. In USA 90% of US metro areas with that population have zero clubs.

The VfR Wiesbaden TT club has FIVE mens teams... and they are not exactly a gigantic club, just a typical one for such an area.

Here in Sacramento, the metro area is like 1.5 to 2 Million depending if you want to count 25-30 miles out. Only LAST YEAR did a full time club open up (a Chinese lady opened it)... and now that one is about to be run out of business by a Vietnamese run club much better facilities. (it opens in a few weeks) Even if we take the under 100 players in the Sacramento area and offer a team league, you wouldn't get it off the ground with more than 4 teams in one tiny league. Still, you do not develop interest in a team league without offering it or running one. There is a lot of culture change needed and the drive is very long for many, but it could change.

Germany has such clubs even in tiny piss-ant towns. Not that they are bad, I love the open quality of these kind of towns, (especially the ones in the South) and USA ones are not quite like these. So in Germany, a puny town can sport a club that a half million metro area would not support. I was once in a metro area of 150,000 in USA and was the only registered TT player in the entire city.

The list MSS put up goes maybe 10-15 miles out... to maybe .5 million population... in USA, the most dense TT population is the bay area San Fran - Oakland - San Jose area... probably 15 or really great clubs. The overall population is 8 MILLION plus... and they have fewer TT clubs than the Wiesbaden area... and Wiesbaden isn't really the Juggernaut of TT density or top level...

That is the reality of how TT is over there in Deutschland... and the current situation is almost half as good as it was a couple decades ago.

MSS, eat it up and enjoy while you can. You are in for some serious culture shock when you get to USA, if you end up there next.

Der_Echte
02-16-2018, 05:53 PM
Until you get some training going on, get a collapsible tripod and smart phone adapter to take some vids of a fw minutes of your sessions and post on TTD. Some half-azz clowns like Der_Echte and others can give you some impractical and useless advices and direction of what to do and how. Just be realistic, be very patient with timeframes for improvement, and use a really good bullcrap filter, especially when Carl and Der_Echte say anything. Occasionally, we might say something or value, but sift out the chaff, it is a good skill. Heck, you are likely pretty good skilled at that already.

Der_Echte
02-16-2018, 06:03 PM
I also mentioned to avoid H2. If you have that on your bat by chance, use it on the BH. In the early going, you will mostly be doing what the Koreans advise... use the BH to keep ball in play to a place hard to attack and look to get in the FH shot. H2 on less than full power direct contact is OK for that... but H2 is very spin sensitive on that impact... however, the spin sensitivity of that rubber on less than full power impact will give you good training on your bat angles. That could hurt you a bit now, but help you down the road.

MX-P, if somehow you end up with that offensive juggernaut of a rubber, is also very good on direct impact. Until you learn the balance of brush and direct, you will likely be using direct impact... until you start trying hard to use more brush impact. MX-P is good enough on brush and strong in a lot of other areas that you will use down the road. A more middle of the road equipment is what the pundits (and also Der_Echte say) would advise, but what the heck, you can still learn TT using it. The rubber will not teach you balance, position, control of impact zone, reading opponent's feet position, spin on the ball and how much garlic the cook put in your pasta. These few things directly impact your play level and overall health more than what offensive inverted rubber you chose.

I differ from a pundit and agree that some equipment significantly out of the sweet middle zone can still work and have value. I agree with the pundits that middle ground equipment makes it easier to control and learn. Use your own judgment. Pundit who have been there and done that should still have their opinions carry weight in your decisions. There were successful for a reason. Still, we all have take our own steps and gain our own experiences, but if you look at where others have mis-stepped, it can make things more efficient. Still, self-discovery in TT is a good joy we should all experience.

Der_Echte
02-16-2018, 06:10 PM
In you path of self discovery, you may be tempted to try everything out there in the sun... and become EQUIPMENT JUNKIE (EJ).

Please... Don't do it, not worth it.

Once you settle on a reasonable equipment, use it for a year or two as you grow. Replace the rubbers. Different rubbers require different impacts and grip pressure to make the same result. If you change equipment too much while you are growing, this will really screw up your learning efficiency. I am in strong agreement with pundits on this point.

Once you get a sound basis of the fundamentals established and some experience, why not tryout other players' equipment and learn what they all do, at that point, it won't hurt you as much.

Suga D
02-16-2018, 09:31 PM
To the OP. Contact Suga and get to know him. You wont regret it!

Hahaha
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Thanks for the kind words.
But meeting you has been a blessing, too. Hopefully i'll soon make it to visit David and his fam and return the favour.


Sugar, next time you apologize for making a proper detailed post to help someone big time, ima gunna go bust u in da chops.

Pound the like button on Sugar post.

I used to live in Wiesbaden before I discovered tt. Heck, I was also likely in the DC Maryland area same time as OP might have run across him.

Sugar, the Dotzheim location looks good... that isn't too far east of the city gym.

I also told OP that the huge city gym on 2Ring has open tt for adults twice a week... VfR Wiesbaden there are a few 1900 to 2000+ USATT level players there who speak English. Their membership is real puny, only so many Teuros a year.

I think OP could get on one of the lower men's teams.

Even if OP is just hitting with whoever at the club during adult training time, then he could still pick up stuff and develop some.

MSS, I would strongly advise you to take the first two semesters of German on post at Univ of Maryland. Often, that is as far as it gets with minimum enrollment. Otherwise, take a night class at the Volkshochschule, it is in an ex us army camp right across the street from KFC chicken on Schiersteiner Str. A few months of that or the first few semesters of Univ of M will get you enough foundation to express a chunk of what you want to say and grow from there.

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Hahaha. Understood. Won't do it again.
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Your memory of Wiesbaden is excellent.


Thank you for all the information Suga D! I will have to visit your club sometime for sure but wouldn't be able to go there on a common basis due to the hour commute. I have four young kids at home and I need to be careful not to overextend myself :) As far as coaching it seems like my best bet would be to inquire about the coach you mentioned located in Dotzheim.

Great. Just saw that you also answered my pm. Gonna write back after this here.


If you start playing table tennis as a young child you usually get good training at your club. I don't know of a single club that has youth teams but does not offer kids-training with a coach simultaneously. So if you start playing table tennis in Germany as a kid the chances you develop a decent technique are pretty high. Maybe that is why adults don't need personal coaches too often, usually they know all the basiscs already if they started at an early age.

Although this used to be true and still is true in many areas there are also areas where the situation is changing.
For instance our club didn't have anymore youngsters and teenagers when i came back from my hiatus six years ago. Just old folks and even some adult beginners. And there are more clubs in the area where it's like that. IIRC the kids got less and less and the coach moved away because of his job after some time so the leftover kids then were sent to the neighbour club. Maybe i should add that our town of about 40,000 citizens has three (!!!) TT-clubs. Quite a bit imho (and proving Der_Echte's point).
Nowadays we've got 4 - 5 kids (trying to get more) and thinking of forming a Youngsters team in the future.
Not an easy task, so let's see how that goes.
Oops, drifting OT a bit.
Anyhow, what i wanted to say: there are also adults seeking for coaching.
They might not be the majority of players but that doesn't mean they are not there.
My friended coach and his team are well experienced in adult coaching. So there must be a reason for this.


I went ahead and tried to pull all the data I could find on local clubs. It seems like VfR Wiesbaden and FT Wi.-Schierstein are most available for open play. Minutes and distance are from where I am moving to near the Wiesbaden Hauptbahnhof to the respective club. There are a few at the bottom I still need to get. Theres a noticeable trend that 2 days per week is the average amount of days for open adult play per week. The time of day is about the same too.


Club
Address
Minutes
Distance
Mon
Tue
Wed
Thu
Fri
Sat
Sun


FT Wi.-Schierstein
Hafenschule Schierstein
Zehntenhofstr. 6, 65201 Wiesbaden
16
11.3
1900 - 2200

2000 - 2200

2000 - 2300 (by request)
N/A



VfR Wiesbaden
Sporthalle am 2.Ring Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 55, 65187 Wiesbaden
6
2.3
1930 - 2200

2000 - 2230
2000 - 2230





VfR Wiesbaden
Turnhalle der Friedrich-von-Schiller Schule
Lorcher Str. 12, Eingang Homburger Straße, 65197 Wiesbaden
12
4.5









SC Klarenthal 1968
Große Sporthalle
Geschwister-Scholl-Straße 8, 65197 Wiesbaden-Klarenthal
14
5.7

1930 - 2130


1930 - 2130




SC Klarenthal 1968
Kleine Sporthalle (elementary school)
Geschwister-Scholl-Straße 8, 65197 Wiesbaden-Klarenthal
14
5.7

1930 - 2130


1930 - 2130




TG 1890 Naurod
Kellerskopfhalle
Laurentiusstraße 36, 65207 Wiesbaden-Naurod
17
11

2000 - 2200


2000 - 2200




TG 1890 Naurod
International School
Rudolf-Dietz-Straße 14, 65207 Wiesbaden-Naurod
17
12.7
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt
no tt


TSV Auringen 1886
Mehrzweckhalle am Sportplatz
Bremthaler Weg 2, 65207 Wiesbaden-Auringen
19
15.3
19 - 22

2000 - 2200






TuS Dotzheim 1848
Philipp-Reis-Schule Wiesbaden, Mühlborngasse 17, 65199 Wiesbaden
16
6.9
1800 - 2200
1900 - 2200 (by appointment)
N/A






TV 1846 Erbenheim
Justus-von-Liebig-Schule
Lilienthalstr. 11, 65205 Wiesbaden
9
5.1

1930 - 2200

2000 - 2200





TV Frauenstein 1884
TVF-Sporthalle
Bürgermeister-Schneider-Straße 3, 65201 Wiesbaden
11
10.3
1915 - 2300

2015 - 2200






TV Waldstraße Wiesbaden
Vereinshalle
Buchenstraße 2, 65187 Wiesbaden
8
3.2

2000 - 2200


2030 - 2230 (system training)
N/A



SG Germ. Wiesbaden
Germania-Heim
Teutonenstraße 2a, 65187 Wiesbaden
10
4.3
1900 - ?








SV Blau-Gelb Wiesbaden
Heinrich-von-Kleist-Schule
Lorcherstraße, 65197 Wiesbaden
12
4.4




1800 - 2200




SV Blau-Gelb Wiesbaden
Goetheschule
Goethestraße 6, 65203 Wiesbaden
10
4.2









TTC RW 1921 Biebrich
Waldorfschule
Albert-Schweitzer-Allee 42, 65203 Wiesbaden
10
5.1


1930 - 2130






TTC RW 1921 Biebrich
Freiherr-vom-Stein-Schule
Straße der Republik 6, 65203 Wiesbaden
8
3.8









TTC RW 1921 Biebrich
Otto-Stückrath-Schule
Albert-Schweitzer-Allee 40, 65203 Wiesbaden
10
5.2









TuS Dotzheim 1848
Kohlheckschule, Kohlheckstraße 43, 65199 Wiesbaden
15
6.9
1915 - 2200








TuS Et. Wiesbaden 1846
Turnhalle Oranienschule
Eingang Karlstraße, 65185 Wiesbaden
13
3.2
1800 - 2200




1300 - 1700



TV 1846 Erbenheim
Hermann-Ehlers-Schule
Tempelhoferstraße 57, 65205 Wiesbaden
7
4.5




1930 - 2200
1500 - 2000



TV 1886 Igstadt
Jahnhalle
Hauptstraße 15, 65207 Wiesbaden-Igstadt
14
8.1


1900 - ?






TV 1886 Igstadt
Turnhalle der JVA
Holzstraße 29, 65197 Wiesbaden
12
5.2









TV 1890 Breckenheim
Sport- und Kulturhalle
Am alten Weinberg, 65207 Wiesbaden-Breckenheim
15
14.6
2000 - 2200








SC Kohlheck
Friedrich-von-Bodelschwingh-Schule
Pörtschacher Straße 12, 65187 Wiesbaden
10
5.4









TuS 1883 Nordenstadt
Taunushalle
Heerstraße, 65205 Wiesbaden Nordenstadt
13
9.8









TuS 1883 Nordenstadt
Karl-Gärtner-Schule
Wilhelm-Dietz-Straße 5, 65205 Wiesbaden Delkenheim
11
10.4









TV 1877 Kostheim
TVK-Sportzentrum
Hauptstraße 12, 55246 Mainz-Kostheim
12
12.8









TV 1881 Bierstadt
Theodor-Fliedner-Schule (kleine Halle)
Fliednerstraße, Eingang über Parkplatz Biegerstraße, 65191 Wiesbaden
10
4.7










Now that is some serious research you've done there. Well done. You don't work for the secret service or something?
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Just jokin'. On a more serious note: good job.
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Generally speaking 2 times a week plus additional league matches is very usual. Clubs with teams in higher leagues might offer three to four times a week but most offer two to three days.

As i wrote before i can strongly recommend the club where my friend coaches in Dotzheim, but i also know guys and gals from other clubs.
WI-Nordenstadt plays pretty high, RW-Biebrich also, so does Erbenheim, but they went through some restructuring last year or so and all the guys i knew there have left the club. So not sure if i can recommend them.
But a very good club is a little outside of WI in Kriftel. They have good coaches and strong teams.
The highest team of them all would be Mainz05 which play in the 2nd Bundesliga. But i think they mostly offer youth and Pro coaching, so not sure if that's the best deal.


Until you get some training going on, get a collapsible tripod and smart phone adapter to take some vids of a fw minutes of your sessions and post on TTD. Some half-azz clowns like Der_Echte and others can give you some impractical and useless advices and direction of what to do and how. Just be realistic, be very patient with timeframes for improvement, and use a really good bullcrap filter, especially when Carl and Der_Echte say anything. Occasionally, we might say something or value, but sift out the chaff, it is a good skill. Heck, you are likely pretty good skilled at that already.

This is always a good option. The cam just doesn't lie.
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mrsidespin
02-16-2018, 09:59 PM
Suga D,

Roland Tedjasukmana offered to coach me in Erbenheim on Saturday’s from 9-1130. I believe he also coaches out of Kriftel which I believe he says is the nicest. Saturday is going to be hard trying to be consistent because it’s our busiest day of the week. Most ideal for me would be right after I get off work M-F or early Sunday. It also helps for the location to be close. If you have training times for any available and willing coaches you know please feel free to post. Thanks again for all the info here. I’ll revisit tm when I wake up.



Hahaha
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Thanks for the kind words.
But meeting you has been a blessing, too. Hopefully i'll soon make it to visit David and return the favour.



Hahaha. Understood. Won't do it again.
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Your memory of Wiesbaden is excellent.



Great. Just saw that you also answered my pm. Gonna write back after this here.



Although this used to be true and still is true in many areas there are also areas where the situation is changing.
For instance our club didn't have anymore youngsters and teenagers when i came back from my hiatus six years ago. Just old folks and even some adult beginners. And there are more clubs in the area where it's like that. IIRC the kids got less and less and the coach moved away because of his job after some time so the leftover kids then were sent to the neighbour club. Maybe i should add that our town of about 40,000 citizens has three (!!!) TT-clubs. Quite a bit imho (and proving Der_Echte's point).
Nowadays we've got 4 - 5 kids (trying to get more) and thinking of forming a Youngsters team in the future.
Not an easy task, so let's see how that goes.
Oops, drifting OT a bit.
Anyhow, what i wanted to say: there are also adults seeking for coaching.
They might not be the majority of players but that doesn't mean they are not there.
My friended coach and his team are well experienced in adult coaching. So there must be a reason for this.



Now that is some serious research you've done there. Well done. You don't work for the secret service or something?
[Emoji6]
Just jokin'. On a more serious note: good job.
[Emoji106]

Generally speaking 2 times a week plus additional league matches is very usual. Clubs with teams in higher leagues might offer three to four times a week like the club but most offer two to three days.

As i wrote before i can strongly recommend the club where my friend coaches in Dotzheim, but i also know guys and gals from other clubs.
WI-Nordenstadt plays pretty high, RW-Biebrich also, so does Erbenheim, but they went through some restructuring last year or so and all the guys i knew there have left the club. So not sure if i can recommend them.
But a very good club is a little outside of WI in Kriftel. They have good coaches and strong teams.
The highest team of them all would be Mainz05 which play in the 2nd Bundesliga. But i think they mostly offer youth and Pro coaching, so not sure if that's the best deal.



This is always a good option. The cam just doesn't lie.
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Suga D
02-16-2018, 11:01 PM
Suga D,

Roland Tedjasukmana offered to coach me in Erbenheim on Saturday’s from 9-1130. I believe he also coaches out of Kriftel which I believe he says is the nicest. Saturday is going to be hard trying to be consistent because it’s our busiest day of the week. Most ideal for me would be right after I get off work M-F or early Sunday. It also helps for the location to be close. If you have training times for any available and willing coaches you know please feel free to post. Thanks again for all the info here. I’ll revisit tm when I wake up.



Wow, have you met Roland? He's a very good and well respected coach and a real nice guy. He used to play Bundesliga back in the days and was long time coach of my best friend. If you see him it would be nice if you would tell him that a friend of David from Mörfelden recommended him.
Would love to see the expression on his face when you tell him that.
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Anyways, i'll try to find out what will be your best bet and'll let you know.
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Baal
02-17-2018, 09:55 PM
Suga my brother, just let me know when it happens!