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TableTennisDaily
03-18-2018, 09:40 PM
The table tennis world now moves onto the hotly anticipated German Open! In the last few weeks we have seen the World Team Cup, Qatar Open and the Polish Open, this weeks German Open only gets better with host nations Dimitrij Ovtcharov leading the men's singles seedings! This platinum event will take place in Bremen from the 23rd to 25th March.


Main Draw

Men's Singles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/MS_Main_Draw_GER_WT.pdf)
Women's Singles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/WS_Main_Draw_GER_WT.pdf)
Men's Singles Groups (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/MS_Groups_GER_WT.pdf_0.pdf_1.pdf_2.pdf_3.pdf)
Women's Singles Groups (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/WS_Groups_GER_WT.pdf_0.pdf_1.pdf_2.pdf_3.pdf)

Men's Singles Seeds

Germany's Dimitrij Ovtcharov, has entered the German Open as the #1 seed.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/images/ovtcharovgermanopen2018.jpg
Dimitrij Ovtcharov the no.1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Dimitrij Ovtcharov
02) Timo Boll
03) Xu Xin
04) Koki Niwa
05) Ma Long
06) Wong Chun Ting
07) Simon Gauzy
08) Tomokazu Harimoto
09) Marcos Freitas
10) Chuang Chih Yuan
11) Jun Mizutani
12) Lee Sangsu
13) Hugo Calderano
14) Omar Assar
15) Yuya Oshima
16) Kristian Karlsson


Women's Singles Seeds

Singapore's Feng Tianwei enters the Qatar Open as the number 1 seed.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/images/fengtianweigermanopen2018.jpg
Singapore's Feng Tianwei enters the German Open as the #1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Feng Tianwei
02) Kasumi Ishikawa
03) Mima Ito
04) Miu Hirano
05) Cheng I-Ching
06) Doo Hoi Kem
07) Li Jie
08) Chen Szu-Yu
09) Chen Xingtong
10) Lee Ho Ching
11) Hina Hayata
12) Miyu Kato
13) Sakura Mori
14) Hyowon Suh
15) Ying Han
16) Sabine Winter


For full player entries click here. (http://wtentries.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=16&Itemid=134&fab_plist___tournament_raw=12&fab_plist___gender_raw=M&order_by=fab_plist___assoc&order_dir=asc&resetfilters=1&fabrik_incsessionfilters=0)

A fantastic event to follow, be sure to get involved in the TTD topic and get involved with the discussions.

We can use this thread as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from this spectacular World Tour event! What are your predictions from each event.

CroneOne
03-18-2018, 09:46 PM
ML is back! I think we'll see some good play from him.

TTHopeful
03-18-2018, 11:00 PM
I would like to see Harimoto find some form

JesperStef
03-18-2018, 11:32 PM
Bold prediction for MS draw: Ma Long (#5 seed) will not play Boll or Dima in the quarter-finals :rolleyes:

(And if any of the other Chinese players qualify for the main draw, at least one will play Ma or Xu Xin in round 1 or 2...)

rainneverever
03-19-2018, 12:35 AM
WMY withdrew German Open in prep for 2018 WTTTC. FYL withdrew due to an injury at CNT WTTTC trial.
CNT only has XX(#4 seed), ML(#5 seed), FB, YZY left for men's singles. For women's singles, CNT sends CXT(#9 seed), MZ, SYS, WY, Fan Siqi, Huang Yingqi, Li Jiayi, Wen Jia, Zhang Qiang, none of whom are in WTTTC lineup.

ILoveTT
03-19-2018, 07:56 AM
I predict Mima Ito to win womens and Ma Long to defeat Dimitrij in the final.

TTHopeful
03-19-2018, 08:07 AM
Just reading online, Fan Zhendong has withdrew from this tournament. If Dimitrij Ovtcharov goes far in this he will return to world number 1?

Rwisniewski
03-19-2018, 08:39 AM
I hope that Timo will wake up and show some good game. His last match in Champions League was not bad so maybe he will make a suprise ;) It will be awesome to see his match with Ma Long in final ;) Dima is after injury, so I don's know how about his shape... We will se after first games ;)

Sali
03-19-2018, 09:56 AM
I hope that Timo will wake up and show some good game. His last match in Champions League was not bad so maybe he will make a suprise ;) It will be awesome to see his match with Ma Long in final ;) Dima is after injury, so I don's know how about his shape... We will se after first games ;)
I like Timo but definitely not, if you take close look to his match with Gauzy it was very easy for French. I Think everybody wonders how is Dima now, he can play really top level once he is in a good mood and physical condition. It is German Open so he plays at home. I think everything depends on the lineup. There are some great players competing in group stage, there is his old rival mizutani who now is far away in ranking. So this constest can cause a lot of upsets in early rounds due to ranking system change.

Astorix
03-19-2018, 10:52 AM
i am happy to see Ma Long playing at an Open, though i think he will win it, i also think there will be quite some surprises in early matches, because of new ranking and seeding. This adds overall excitement and curiosity about what will and could happen. who will face who in early stages who will prevail?

Rwisniewski
03-19-2018, 02:34 PM
I like Timo but definitely not, if you take close look to his match with Gauzy it was very easy for French. I Think everybody wonders how is Dima now, he can play really top level once he is in a good mood and physical condition. It is German Open so he plays at home. I think everything depends on the lineup. There are some great players competing in group stage, there is his old rival mizutani who now is far away in ranking. So this constest can cause a lot of upsets in early rounds due to ranking system change.

Yep, but if You look at his match with Calderano You will see some light in the tunnel ;) Gauzy was unstoppable this day

Dan
03-20-2018, 08:25 AM
I'm looking forward to this one! Great line up, I think we are going to see a spectacle. Germany always host great events with many spectators and with Dima and Timo playing it should be a good one!

Sali
03-20-2018, 09:20 AM
We have main draw already and it seems quite easy way for Dima to reach at least semis. Of course we do not know who will come from qualification groups but Dima avoided his biggest opponents (who beaten him most of Times) untill final, let's just say:
- mizutani
- niwa
- ma long
- calderano? now in good form

In his half dima probably faces
1. freitas
2. harimoto
3. xu xin

Again not good lottery for Mizutani, if he goes to second round there will be ma long waiting, last time second round he had FZD. In that way he will never reach top 10. I think he has to play more lower seeded tournaments to gain some points.

Rwisniewski
03-20-2018, 10:50 AM
And for this reason the ITTF rank is not reliable at all... Of course is nice to be on top but it's not the determinant of players form. The same as FIFA ranking for example ;)

Garrison
03-20-2018, 12:39 PM
I'm hoping for a Dima vs Ma Long matchup and Timo Boll vs Xu Xin

nvm it's impossible due to draw

Konrad Bak
03-20-2018, 01:32 PM
3rd round propably Timo vs Ma Long
Second Round Freitas vs Dima
Second Round Koki Niwa vs Hugo Calderano
Second Round Mizutani vs Ma Long


OF COURSE Fang Bo can win with anybody

darucla
03-20-2018, 02:42 PM
I'd like to know what Kanak Jha's coach said to him after the first set. Should bottle it and make some money..

TableTennisDaily
03-20-2018, 03:08 PM
Main Draw

Men's Singles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/MS_Main_Draw_GER_WT.pdf)
Women's Singles (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/WS_Main_Draw_GER_WT.pdf)
Men's Singles Groups (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/MS_Groups_GER_WT.pdf_0.pdf_1.pdf_2.pdf_3.pdf)
Women's Singles Groups (https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/WS_Groups_GER_WT.pdf_0.pdf_1.pdf_2.pdf_3.pdf)

TT Guru
03-20-2018, 04:16 PM
Such a strong tournament, even just the group stage is brutal. I think we shouldn't rule out several of the seeded players being knocked out in the first round. Plenty of surprises on the cards.

Prymo
03-20-2018, 05:45 PM
German Open in this year will be amazing. I watched a few qualification matches today and level of matches is very high. Even matches in qualification are great. I hope that Jakub Dyjas promoted to the main draw.

Sali
03-20-2018, 07:20 PM
Andrei Gacina just took down Yu Zhiyang in the decider

zeio
03-20-2018, 07:21 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ce9TpzSh.png

That's why you don't send a failure to the WTTC. Led 3-1 in games.

Konrad Bak
03-20-2018, 07:23 PM
from 9:7 to 9:11... ballin

Ioiettino
03-20-2018, 08:09 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ce9TpzSh.png

That's why you don't send a failure to the WTTC. Led 3-1 in games.

Harsh. Darn that body language hurts.

zeio
03-20-2018, 08:23 PM
The comments by those girls on Hupu are so funny.

Garrison
03-20-2018, 08:29 PM
Tough loss for Yu Ziyang, you don't get too many chances to show yourself in China, ask Liang Jingkun...

rainneverever
03-20-2018, 08:32 PM
The comments by those girls on Hupu are so funny.
Hupu lesson 101, don't blame the player no matter how poorly he/she played

NextLevel
03-20-2018, 10:22 PM
Yep, but if You look at his match with Calderano You will see some light in the tunnel ;) Gauzy was unstoppable this day


Yes, Gauzy is problem opponent for Boll. Boll has serious problems with Gauzy's service and that prevents Boll from getting into rallies as he likes to.

NextLevel
03-20-2018, 10:24 PM
Tough loss for Yu Ziyang, you don't get too many chances to show yourself in China, ask Liang Jingkun...


I think losing in qualifiers like that leads to a ban on playing for a while. Going to be a tough year for YZY.

JesperStef
03-20-2018, 10:28 PM
Selected results from Day 1 (Tue 20 March 2018):

Men's Singles

Qualification Groups:

Kou Lei 1:4 Patrick Baum
Cedric Nuytinck 3:4 Yuma Tsuboi
Benedikt Duda 0:4 Truls Möregårdh
Andrej Gacina 4:3 Yu Ziyang
Lam Siu Hang 1:4 Kim Minhyeok
Lubomir Jancarik 2:4 Kim Minhyeok
Ng Pak Nam 0:4 An Jaehyun
Jeoung Youngsik 4:0 Kalinikos Kreanga
Sanil Shetty 1:4 Kalinikos Kreanga
Tomislav Pucar 1:4 Fedor Kuzmin
Kanak Jha 2:4 Cho Eonrae
Darko Jorgic 2:4 Can Akkuzu

Group winners (after Day 1):
Patrick Baum, Kim Minhyeok, An Jaehyun and Cho Eonrae.


Women's Singles

Qualification Groups:

Minnie Soo Wai Yam 0:4 Mu Zi
Georgina Pota 2:4 Amelie Solja
Yu Fu (POR) 1:4 Li Fen (SWE)
Zhang Mo (CAN) 3:4 Marie Migot
Bernadette Szocs 2:4 Satsuki Odo (13 year old!)
Miyu Maeda 3:4 Li Jiayi
Katarzyna Grzybowska-Franc 4:3 Yang Xiaoxin (MON)
Jiang Huajun (HKG) 1:4 Yang Xiaoxin (MON)
Daniela Monteiro Dodean 3:4 Wen Jia
Ng Wing Nam 0:4 Wen Jia
Suthasini Sawettabut 2:4 Yulia Prokhorova
Choi Hyojoo 3:4 Huang Yingqi
Kristin Lang 2:4 Fan Siqi

Group winners (after Day 1):
Mu Zi, Li Fen (SWE), Satsuki Odo, Li Jiayi, Wen Jia and Huang Yingqi.

jawien
03-20-2018, 11:52 PM
Harsh. Darn that body language hurts.

If you want to know how "Defeat" looks like .. that is The Picture.

My gosh, so unfair for China players. I was cheering for Andrei, but even loosing he'll still have 100s of chances, for Yu Zhiyang it was one of the very little.

Suga D
03-21-2018, 12:41 AM
Here are some impressions from day one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW4LCUekssE

zeio
03-21-2018, 07:46 AM
People in China are enraged and spitting on YZY right now. Not good to the health.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2904/14479709925_2093171237_b.jpg

https://youtu.be/5fUczfQ_fw4?t=327

Sali
03-21-2018, 08:07 AM
I think losing in qualifiers like that leads to a ban on playing for a while. Going to be a tough year for YZY.
Take it easy, look how many chances zhou yu had and they still send him, of course he goes further then qualify groups but he is older and have more int. Experience. Yu Zhiyang is still very young and Andrei Gacina is not nobody there this match could go either way. Surely YZ will have his chances

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 08:13 AM
Take it easy, look how many chances zhou yu had and they still send him, of course he goes further then qualify groups but he is older and have more int. Experience. Yu Zhiyang is still very young and Andrei Gacina is not nobody there this match could go either way. Surely YZ will have his chances

No, I thought raineverever wrote this was a formal policy that losing in the qualifiers had harsh consequences on playing the pro tour. Maybe I missed that. YZY does have a chance to redeem himself in U21.

It is not a permanent ban BTW, just for a period of time.

zeio
03-21-2018, 08:19 AM
That has been the unwritten rule since the old days. Now it's explicitly stated.

Sali
03-21-2018, 08:47 AM
No, I thought raineverever wrote this was a formal policy that losing in the qualifiers had harsh consequences on playing the pro tour. Maybe I missed that. YZY does have a chance to redeem himself in U21.

It is not a permanent ban BTW, just for a period of time.
I did not know about the rule. For me it is quite strange because
when you loose to foreigner what matters is who was your opponent and how you were fighting for winning. of course China is looking for another FZD but they just do not have such player. They need to have 4 best spots but sooner or later when XX and ML retire they have only FZD world no 1 and others like FB and LGY world no 5 or so.
Anyway YZY is not my favourite player so I will not miss him :).

zeio
03-21-2018, 09:32 AM
The CNT doesn't care who your opponent is when it comes to the qualification in a mere Open tournament.

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 09:39 AM
I also think being up 3-1 and losing every game by 2 points doesn't help his cause.

Sali
03-21-2018, 10:32 AM
I also think being up 3-1 and losing every game by 2 points doesn't help his cause.
I think it is also a question to the coach how did he encourage his player. YZY just beat Kizukuri quite easily. He will know face Darko Jorgic who is my black horse of this event. I hope Darko beat him same way as Liang Jingkun.

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 10:39 AM
I think it is also a question to the coach how did he encourage his player. YZY just beat Kizukuri quite easily. He will know face Darko Jorgic who is my black horse of this event. I hope Darko beat him same way as Liang Jingkun.

I am fairly sure that Truls won that match. Not sure why you think Darko did.

Sali
03-21-2018, 10:43 AM
I am fairly sure that Truls won that match. Not sure why you think Darko did.

My bad. I did not watch the match, just check out the score of finished matches, there is written that Darko won the match:

https://ittf-live.bornan.net/table-tennis-widget/images/flags/slo.png JORGIC Darko (https://ittf-live.bornan.net/#/player/M.SINGLES--------U21.8FNL.000300--.1)

12
11
9
11
11
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3



14
7
11
9
7
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2

https://ittf-live.bornan.net/table-tennis-widget/images/flags/swe.png MOREGARD Truls (https://ittf-live.bornan.net/#/player/M.SINGLES--------U21.8FNL.000300--.2)


now I found in the scores of the day that it went other way. Pity for Darko, anyway Truls is great talent and I hope he will give some hard time for YZY.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-21-2018, 11:19 AM
Table 3 Eckholm vs Zhang Qiang. Is she from the CNT ? The Chinese had a 3-0 lead but now it’s 3-2 only and the Swedish is leading 7-3 in the 6th game !

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 11:22 AM
Table 3 Eckholm vs Zhang Qiang. Is she from the CNT ? The Chinese had a 3-0 lead but now it’s 3-2 only and the Swedish is leading 7-3 in the 6th game !


Yes, CNT. I have to go back to that - I quit watching out of surprise when it was 3-0.

zeio
03-21-2018, 11:26 AM
Yes, CNT - same age group as Sun Yingsha. I have to go back to that - I quit watching out of surprise when it was 3-0.
I believe you meant same age group as Ishikawa.

https://i.imgur.com/DZzThazh.png
Another failure.

Where are the people who said the new World Ranking was a joke now? I formally demand their sincere apologies.

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 12:10 PM
I believe you meant same age group as Ishikawa.


Thanks, I confused her with Qian Tianyi.

jawien
03-21-2018, 12:23 PM
[...] Where are the people who said the new World Ranking was a joke now? I formally demand their sincere apologies.

If Ma Long drops down to #7 and Ding Ning drops down to #20 something, it's a joke ... yes ; )

Mazinho
03-21-2018, 12:49 PM
https://youtu.be/cgyBWTttogY

Konrad Bak
03-21-2018, 02:17 PM
Darko Jorgic is tired. He plays everything and he is someone "black horse" Laughing emoji

Franziska, what a XXXXXX he said to referee that he doesnt see any of deni kozul's serve, im laughin.

Poor Form=new excuses

zeio
03-21-2018, 02:33 PM
If Ma Long drops down to #7 and Ding Ning drops down to #20 something, it's a joke ... yes ; )
When ML lost at the World Cup last year, Boll was No. 5(No. 6 in the month before), so No. 7 sounds reasonable. If people disagree with this, then that's an indirect denial of the old World Ranking.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-21-2018, 02:40 PM
Ma Long will beat everyone 4-0 and make people shut up

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 02:59 PM
Ma Long will beat everyone 4-0 and make people shut up


Lol... not sure his ranking after doing that will satisfy the hardliners...

zeio
03-21-2018, 03:14 PM
Bias is good, but bias with logic is better.

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 03:43 PM
I love how far apart Ma Long and Xu Xin are in the draw. Now we just need Fang Bo to play Dima or Timo and everything is perfect!

jawien
03-21-2018, 04:10 PM
When ML lost at the World Cup last year, Boll was No. 5(No. 6 in the month before), so No. 7 sounds reasonable. If people disagree with this, then that's an indirect denial of the old World Ranking.

Ha ha ... not getting into this discussion. It's a transitional period now for sure and a general paradigm shift.

zeio
03-21-2018, 05:30 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gRGehpnh.png
Now that's an exciting match. Oozing with passion! Salifou came back from the depth of 5:9 to 9:9, but unfortunately lost 2 on his serve. Another proof the receiving end holds the advantage now.

rainneverever
03-21-2018, 06:40 PM
According to CTTA's new policy on World Tour, if one fails qualification stage or loses to a non-CNT player in the first round of main draw, one will be banned from next World Tour opportunity.
In Qatar Open, WCQ, XF, LDS, WY and Sun Mingyang failed in qualification. LDS was not included in German Open entries list originally. WCQ, XF, Sun Mingyang withdrew German Open as the penalty of Qatar Open. WY failed qualification of Qatar only losing to LSW. Therefore she was not penalized and still can play German Open.
As YZY and Zhang Qiang failed in qualification and lost to non-CNT players, they will be banned from next World Tour that they are qualified.

Garrison
03-21-2018, 08:00 PM
Yu Ziyang lost 3-1 to Truls Moregard in U21! He must be devistated..

JesperStef
03-21-2018, 08:03 PM
Selected results from Day 2 (Wed 21 March 2018):

Men's Singles

Qualification Groups:

Sathiyan Gnanasekaran 3:4 Andreas Levenko
Joao Monteiro 0:4 Lin Yun-Ju
Anton Källberg 2:4 Alexey Liventsov
Soumyajit Ghosh 0:4 Kim Donghyun
Sanil Shetty 0:4 Jeoung Youngsik
Joao Geraldo 1:4 Kirill Skachkov
Gustavo Tsuboi 1:4 Bojan Tokic
Hunor Szocs 2:4 Lubomir Pistej
Daniel Habesohn 2:4 Panagiotis Gionis


Women's Singles

Qualification Groups:

Yang Haeun 2:4 Barbora Balazova
Georgina Pota 3:4 Yoo Eunchong
Matilda Ekholm 4:3 Zhang Qiang
Liu Jia (AUT) 1:4 Wu Yang
Miyu Maeda 3:4 Liu Hsing-Yin
Jiang Huajun (HKG) 3:4 Katarzyna Grzybowska-Franc
Suthasini Sawettabut 4:3 Daniela Monteiro Dodean
Mouma Das 1:4 Britt Eerland
Manika Batra 1:4 Melek Hu (TUR)


U21 Men's Singles

Round of 16:

Mizuki Oikiwa 1:3 An Jaehyun
Yuma Tsuboi 2:3 Kanak Jha
Darko Jorgic 2:3 Truls Möregårdh
Yu Ziyang 3:0 Yuto Kizukuri

Joe Seyfried 3:2 Masaki Takami
Dennis Klein 0:3 Lim Jonghoon (w.o.)
Andreas Levenko 1:3 Rares Sipos
Bence Majoros 3:0 Cho Daeseong

Quarter-finals:

An Jaehyun 3:2 Kanak Jha (4:11, 8:11, 11:6, 11:7, 11:8)
Truls Möregårdh 3:1 Yu Ziyang (13:11, 11:6, 2:11, 12:10)

Joe Seyfried 3:2 Lim Jonghoon (11:3, 7:11, 11:6, 7:11, 11:9)
Rares Sipos 3:2 Bence Majoros (13:11, 3:11, 11:7, 8:11, 11:3)


U21 Women's Singles

Round of 16:

Minnie Soo Wai Yam 3:2 Kim Jiho
Choi Hyojoo 3:0 Audrey Zarif
Wan Yuan (GER) 1:3 Huang Yingqi
Fan Siqi 3:0 Miyuu Kihara

Adriana Diaz 0:3 Satsuki Odo
Miyu Nagasaki 3:2 Honoka Hashimoto
Hitomi Sato 0:3 Tamolwar Khetkhuan
Shin Yubin 0:3 Saki Shibata

Quarter-finals:

Minnie Soo Wai Yam 3:2 Choi Hyojoo (10:12, 11:7, 11:8, 10:12, 12:10)
Huang Yingqi 3:2 Fan Siqi (11:7, 6:11, 7:11, 11:4, 11:5)

Satsuki Odo 0:3 Miyu Nagasaki (6:11, 4:11, 7:11)
Hitomi Sato 0:3 Saki Shibata (7:11, 6:11, 5:11)

zeio
03-21-2018, 08:29 PM
Yu Ziyang lost 3-1 to Truls Moregard in U21! He must be devistated..

https://i.imgur.com/DFeZJSo.gif

Konrad Bak
03-21-2018, 08:41 PM
the best draw for Apolonia in preliminary round <3

ILoveTT
03-21-2018, 08:58 PM
You know its a strong tournament when apolonia is in the prelim :eek:

Garrison
03-21-2018, 09:04 PM
How does Anton Källberg play so well in Bundesliga but performs so poor on the international stage.

rainneverever
03-21-2018, 09:16 PM
How does Anton Källberg play so well in Bundesliga but performs so poor on the international stage.Didn't he give some hard time to XX at 2018 WTC and to ML at 2017 WTTC?
According to XX's recent interview with Table Tennis World Magazine, both he and ML find Kallberg not comfortable to play with. Kallberg has good serves and third ball attack.
http://www.sohu.com/a/226039931_580074

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 09:19 PM
How does Anton Källberg play so well in Bundesliga but performs so poor on the international stage.
A lot depends on how much his opponent is struggling with his serve. And unfortunately, that is something that is very player specific no matter how good a server you are.

NextLevel
03-21-2018, 09:20 PM
You know its a strong tournament when apolonia is in the prelim :eek: I think it was last year that Freitas was in the Prelim of a tournament. That was amazing to see.

TTHopeful
03-21-2018, 11:36 PM
Lets get on with the main draw!

TableTennisDaily
03-22-2018, 07:08 AM
List of today's matches: https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/Matches_of_today_3.pdf_0.pdf_1.pdf

Michal_Z
03-22-2018, 08:55 AM
I predict Mima Ito to win womens and Ma Long to defeat Dimitrij in the final.
Dima would probably have to beat Xu Xin in order to achieve that..

Michal_Z
03-22-2018, 08:59 AM
BTW anyone noticed that YU ZIYANG was defeated by GACINA (from 3:1 the lead) and by TRULS MOREGARDH (from 2:1 lead).
Someone will go to the basement soon..

yoass
03-22-2018, 09:19 AM
BTW anyone noticed that YU ZIYANG was defeated by GACINA (from 3:1 the lead) and by TRULS MOREGARDH (from 2:1 lead).
Someone will go to the basement soon..

That might be funny if it would not also be grimly true.

Suga D
03-22-2018, 10:20 AM
Some impressions from yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3eP9T54PtY

Suga D
03-22-2018, 10:23 AM
Some completely unknown strangers hitting the ball and pretending to practice [Emoji2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u270Kho8sik

Suga D
03-22-2018, 10:44 AM
About 400 children were invited yesterday to the DAY of the SCHOOLS at the GERMAN OPEN 2018
This years focus was on inclusion. Therefore many handicapped children attended to the event and everyone seemed to be having a blast organizer Hendrik Stewen says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKPExg-s8_A

Read the full article here: http://www.germanopen2018.de/news/artikel/tag-der-schulen-400-kids-kommen-von-hamburg-nach-bremen-mit-video.html

Ioiettino
03-22-2018, 11:29 AM
Curious to see the outcome of Mattias Karlsson - Can Akkuzu this afternoon. Akkuzu had a good streak at the end of last year (Ouaiche, Lebesson and Pitchford within a few weeks) and his match against Maximilano Huergo yesterday was murder.
Go Can!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-22-2018, 12:36 PM
Yes you Can !!

Ioiettino
03-22-2018, 12:44 PM
I didn't dare make the joke...

RidTheKid
03-22-2018, 12:53 PM
Who dares wins


I didn't dare make the joke...

Xylit
03-22-2018, 01:09 PM
Ho Kwan Kit vs Gionis Panagiotis excellent match running at the moment.

Mazinho
03-22-2018, 01:22 PM
https://youtu.be/C9J3FierHB4


https://youtu.be/623WCA_4gP8

Michal_Z
03-22-2018, 02:34 PM
In few moments
Quadri Aruna vs. Andrej Gacina !!!

Just cant wait! :)

Rwisniewski
03-22-2018, 02:35 PM
Jakub Dyjas vs Fang Bo. Jakub as the only one polish player will fight for enter to main tournament with former world runner- up. What do You think about his chances?

drunix80
03-22-2018, 02:38 PM
Jakub Dyjas vs Fang Bo. Jakub as the only one polish player will fight for enter to main tournament with former world runner- up. What do You think about his chances?

4-1 to Fang Bo.

zeio
03-22-2018, 02:42 PM
FB is still recovering from stomach flu, so Dyjas has a chance.

bobpuls
03-22-2018, 03:01 PM
In few moments
Quadri Aruna vs. Andrej Gacina !!!

Just cant wait! :)
Quadri is soooo week in reading of incoming serve ..... quite surprise !

zeio
03-22-2018, 03:09 PM
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger? The Empire Strikes Back? Gacina could be in trouble.

Sali
03-22-2018, 03:10 PM
Quadri is soooo week in reading of incoming serve ..... quite surprise !
Not surprise at all. Gacina is wise player and know that Aruna backhand is very week so he make him chasing the ball from FH to BH side.

Garrison
03-22-2018, 03:12 PM
I wouldn't rank Gacina's backhand much over Quadris though :rolleyes:

Ioiettino
03-22-2018, 03:15 PM
Who dares wins
Yeah, I should have! Karlsson - Akkuzu 4-1. Oh, well.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-22-2018, 03:17 PM
Another early exit for Yui Hamamoto. 2 years ago she was winning plenty of U21 events and played for the JNT but she is not confirming at all. It’s a bit disappointing. She’s very athletic among Japanese female players but obvious she hasn’t got the skills of the best

At 20 is she already done for ? She could resume her modeling career ..

drunix80
03-22-2018, 03:19 PM
Another early exit for Yui Hamamoto. 2 years ago she was winning plenty of U21 events and played for the JNT but she is not confirming at all. It’s a bit disappointing. She’s very athletic among Japanese female players but obvious she hasn’t got the skills of the best

At 20 is she already done for ? She could resume her modeling career ..

BTW she is a stunner in looks dept.

Sali
03-22-2018, 03:21 PM
I wouldn't rank Gacina's backhand much over Quadris though :rolleyes:
really, wow - somebody must be blind. I never said that Gacina's BH is great, but Aruna does not have BH at all and this is big difference.

Ioiettino
03-22-2018, 03:29 PM
Funny how the referee would reposition Aruna's towel each and every time... Bit underwhelming, that match.

Konrad Bak
03-22-2018, 04:03 PM
Dyjas from 3:0 to 3:4 bets?

Sali
03-22-2018, 04:03 PM
Kuba is close to beat fang bo

Konrad Bak
03-22-2018, 04:04 PM
nah, he is looooooooser

Michal_Z
03-22-2018, 04:06 PM
Fang Bo shouldnt drink German BEER SO MUCH LOL !!!
0:4 to DYJAS!

NextLevel
03-22-2018, 04:11 PM
really, wow - somebody must be blind. I never said that Gacina's BH is great, but Aruna does not have BH at all and this is big difference.

Gacina has a very good backhand, and Aruna also has a good backhand. The days where Aruna had a bad backhand are gone, it is the disparity in the strokes that is stark.

Garrison
03-22-2018, 04:14 PM
really, wow - somebody must be blind. I never said that Gacina's BH is great, but Aruna does not have BH at all and this is big difference.

And I have never tried to neutralize your argument.

Fang Bo vs Dyjas shows how unreal it is that ML and FZD remain nearly unbeaten to non chinese players. You would think that eventually they would have a really bad day, but even then it is enough.

PiZa
03-22-2018, 04:18 PM
Brawo Jakub :)

jedimasterplk
03-22-2018, 04:19 PM
Well played Jakub. Jakub is using Hurricane on fh btw. Reliably informed.

Konrad Bak
03-22-2018, 04:20 PM
Fang Bo looks today like GHOST, he was very slow and his stomach was very weak, he can't open anything + Dyjas was playing very slow short game that Chinese dont want to play + he blocked sometimes hard strokes from BO .
I still think Dyjas is looooser.

zeio
03-22-2018, 06:12 PM
FB is still recovering from stomach flu, so Dyjas has a chance.
Hmm...another fai...nah, he gets the pass this time.

jawien
03-22-2018, 06:16 PM
I still think Dyjas is looooser.

Konrad, what did Kuba do to you ?? It's a great success for him regardless of Fang's condition ...

ILoveTT
03-22-2018, 06:30 PM
Ma Long vs Timo in the quarters if the draw goes to plan :)

Garrison
03-22-2018, 07:59 PM
No Bastian Steger lost to Ho Kwan Kit :( So close.

FUN FACT: Fang Bo would have played Xu Xin

AndySmith
03-22-2018, 08:15 PM
15860

JesperStef
03-22-2018, 08:47 PM
Selected results from Day 3 (Thu 22 March):

Men's Singles - Preliminary Rounds:

Round of 64:

Alexey Liventsov 4:0 Kim Minhyeok
Lin Yun-Ju 4:2 Cho Seungmin
Andrej Gacina 4:0 Harmeet Desai
Robert Gardos 3:4 Kim Donghyun
Lim Jonghoon 1:4 An Jaehyun
Andreas Levenko 1:4 Jeoung Youngsik
Mizuki Oikawa 3:4 Kirill Skachkov
Masataka Morizono 4:0 Bojan Tokic
Stefan Fegerl 3:4 Ovidiu Ionescu
Jiang Tianyi 4:0 Tomislav Pucar
Andrea Landrieu 1:4 Jakub Dyjas
Kirill Gerassimenko 4:3 Lubomir Pistej
Ho Kwan Kit 4:2 Panagiotis Gionis
Liao Cheng-Ting 4:2 Yuto Kizukuri
Mattias Karlsson 4:1 Can Akkuzu
Alvaro Robles 1:4 Jon Persson
Jang Woojin 4:0 Amalraj Anthony
Patrick Franziska 4:1 Cho Eonrae

Round of 32:

Ruwen Filus 4:0 Alexey Liventsov (11:8, 11:6, 11:6, 11:3)
Maharu Yoshimura 4:1 Lin Yun-Ju (8:11, 11:7, 11:8, 11:6, 11:9)
Quadri Aruna 2:4 Andrej Gacina (5:11, 7:11, 3:11, 11:9, 11:8, 7:11)
Masaki Yoshida 4:2 Kim Donghyun (11:9, 7:11, 11:7, 12:10, 6:11, 11:9)
Emmanuel Lebesson 2:4 An Jaehyun (8:11, 6:11, 6:11, 11:8, 12:10, 6:11)
Chen Chien-An 0:4 Jeoung Youngsik (10:12, 11:13, 7:11, 6:11)
Patrick Baum 3:4 Kirill Skachkov (11:9, 15:13, 5:11, 5:11, 9:11, 11:9, 8:11)
Jin Ueda 4:2 Masataka Morizono (11:7, 11:5, 13:11, 4:11, 12:14, 11:9)
Ricardo Walther 4:2 Ovidiu Ionescu (11:8, 11:3, 5:11, 9:11, 11:9, 11:6)
Jonathan Groth 4:0 Jiang Tianyi (11:7, 13:11, 11:8, 11:9)
Fang Bo 0:4 Jakub Dyjas (8:11, 9:11, 10:12, 8:11)
Jeong Sangeun 4:3 Kirill Gerassimenko (8:11, 11:9, 11:7, 6:11, 7:11, 11:3, 11:8)
Bastian Steger 3:4 Ho Kwan Kit (12:10, 11:4, 9:11, 11:9, 9:11, 4:11, 10:12)
Tiago Apolonia 3:4 Liao Cheng-Ting (9:11, 14:12, 11:7, 11:13,10:12, 11:9, 10:12)
Mattias Karlsson 4:1 Jon Persson (9:11, 11:5, 11:8, 12:10,11:8)
Jang Woojin 2:4 Patrick Franziska (2:11, 7:11, 11:9, 11:4,7:11, 11:13)


Women's Singles - Preliminary Rounds:

Round of 32:

Elizabeta Samara 0:4 Fan Siqi (8:11, 5:11, 8:11, 9:11)
Mu Zi 4:0 Petrissa Solja (11:4, 11:3, 11:5, 11:7)
Yang Haeun 4:2 Melek Hu (TUR) (11:8, 9:11, 11:6, 11:9, 5:11, 11:9)
Yoo Eunchong 2:4 Britt Eerland (9:11, 8:11, 11:9, 8:11, 11:3, 6:11)
Li Fen (SWE) 3:4 Huang Yingqi (9:11, 11:9, 11:3, 1:11, 11:13, 11:3, 9:11)
Honoka Hashimoto 4:1 Hana Matelova (11:4, 11:8, 11:5, 9:11, 11:9)
Saki Shibata 4:1 Natalia Partyka (9:11, 11:9, 11:5, 12:10, 12:10)
Zhang Mo (CAN) 4:0 Yulia Prokhorova (11:4, 11:2, 11:3, 11:8)
Matilda Ekholm 2:4 Wen Jia (9:11, 11:9, 9:11, 11:3, 10:12, 1:11)
Li Qian (POL) 3:4 Jeon Jihee (16:14, 11:8, 11:8, 7:11, 7:11, 7:11, 6:11)
Yui Hamamoto 3:4 Cheng Hsien-Tzu (5:11, 13:11, 9:11, 11:6, 11:6, 13:15, 8:11)
Wu Yang 4:0 Katarzyna Grzybowska-Franc (11:6, 11:5, 11:9, 12:10)
Sun Yingsha 4:0 Li Jiayi (11:4, 11:5, 11:7, 11:5)
Satsuki Odo 4:1 Adriana Diaz (11:8, 11:4, 6:11, 11:8, 11:6)

Already qualified for Main Draw: Hitomi Sato and Sofia Polcanova.


U21 Men's Singles

Semi-finals:
An Jaehyun 2:3 Truls Möregårdh (11:9, 8:11, 11:5, 8:11, 6:11)
Joe Seyfried 3:0 Rares Sipos (11:9, 11:2, 11:1)

Final:
Truls Möregårdh 1:3 Joe Seyfried (12:14, 11:6, 4:11, 7:11)


U21 Women's Singles

Semi-finals:
Minnie Soo Wai Yam 1:3 Huang Yingqi (11:9, 10:12, 8:11, 12:14)
Miyu Nagasaki 0:3 Saki Shibata (10:12, 5:11, 5:11)

Final:
Huang Yingqi 1:3 Saki Shibata (6:11, 11:9, 9:11, 5:11)

Ioiettino
03-22-2018, 08:54 PM
Fang Bo shouldnt drink German BEER SO MUCH LOL !!!
0:4 to DYJAS!

Damn, Ochsenhausen are starting to look really good!!


Also, congrats to Joé Seyfried in U21. He's good, but I don't think he was expected to win the thing. Onwards and upwards.

TTHopeful
03-22-2018, 09:12 PM
No Bastian Steger lost to Ho Kwan Kit :( So close.

FUN FACT: Fang Bo would have played Xu Xin

Would have :D :D :D

Mazinho
03-22-2018, 09:25 PM
https://youtu.be/KldPe13CniI

Ioiettino
03-22-2018, 09:40 PM
I couldn't find any recording for Moregard vs Seyfried, ITTV replay only shows the semi-final. Would anyone have a link?

MasterMyself
03-22-2018, 09:48 PM
https://youtu.be/KldPe13CniIDifficult to judge the quality of shot from the video but I expect Fang Bo can play much better than this. His shot was lack of power and he is quite slow.

Well done to Dyjas.

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jawien
03-22-2018, 10:02 PM
Great Jakub! I checked how he plays against lefties (Timo) - he can play down the line on both wings ... What do you think his chances are against XX?

Konrad Bak
03-22-2018, 10:15 PM
hehe check his last 3 games with K.Karlsson :) hehehe. LOOOOSER

jawien
03-22-2018, 10:19 PM
Yep ... K. Karlson is a good lefty reference too.
@Och come on 2:3 and they won this SF anyway ; )

Mazinho
03-22-2018, 11:05 PM
https://youtu.be/2OsJtdhnqnw

Ioiettino
03-22-2018, 11:13 PM
https://youtu.be/2OsJtdhnqnw
Thanks a lot!

AndySmith
03-22-2018, 11:32 PM
What was going on with all those service faults against Joe?

xuxinpower
03-22-2018, 11:41 PM
Ref prob jealous he could never get any decent at TT, takes it out on joe.

What was going on with all those service faults against Joe?

jamesmith
03-23-2018, 12:35 AM
nowadays service rule is ridiculous

VSDG
03-23-2018, 12:47 AM
Congrats to Seyfried tho, he played really well.

Mazinho
03-23-2018, 12:51 AM
Oops, another referee as star of the match.


https://youtu.be/sl3Pw_aj8nA

cfagyal
03-23-2018, 12:55 AM
I am completely baffled by all the faults...I didn’t see him hiding the serve, I didn’t see him tossing it diagonally towards him like, say, FZD does...I’m completely confused. Do these referees know the rules? Apparently it was so bad even moregaard felt bad and both reverted to only backhand serves in game 2? Bizarre. Was anyone there at the matches that found out any explanation?

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 01:26 AM
What was going on with all those service faults against Joe?

They called him for hiding them with his shoulder. Most likely a prior opponent complained.

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 01:26 AM
I am completely baffled by all the faults...I didn’t see him hiding the serve, I didn’t see him tossing it diagonally towards him like, say, FZD does...I’m completely confused. Do these referees know the rules? Apparently it was so bad even moregaard felt bad and both reverted to only backhand serves in game 2? Bizarre. Was anyone there at the matches that found out any explanation?

When the lady calls the fault, it is the first time you see him serving facing us, and it is pretty obvious the ball disappears, though it didn't bother Truls as much as the calls.

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 01:28 AM
Oops, another referee as star of the match.


The refs are probably being graded/evaluated. This stuff tends to happen when they are being graded.

cfagyal
03-23-2018, 01:36 AM
When the lady calls the fault, it is the first time you see him serving facing us, and it is pretty obvious the ball disappears, though it didn't bother Truls as much as the calls.

with no particular affinity to either player, I watched the rest of the match...I wonder why none of truls’ Tosses that were virtually horizontal in nature, directly back towards him were not ever called, or even warned. Of all the serves between both players, I found those significantly more egregious than any of seyfriends serves.

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 02:18 AM
with no particular affinity to either player, I watched the rest of the match...I wonder why none of truls’ Tosses that were virtually horizontal in nature, directly back towards him were not ever called, or even warned. Of all the serves between both players, I found those significantly more egregious than any of seyfriends serves.
That's a reasonable point. The one thing I have never found is any feeling that Truls hides his serves. But violations are violations and the rules are so inconsistently applied that all kinds of arguments over right and wrong are inevitable.

Arief Nur
03-23-2018, 04:03 AM
No Chance for them to beat Ma Long!

Rwisniewski
03-23-2018, 07:25 AM
So... nice match by Jakub ;) maybe not fireworks but score goes into the world... Unfortunately XX is on his way now but we will see what will happen... I hope that he will plays his tennis and we will have a good match and maybe a big suprise became a fact :D good luck for both of them !

WorkerBee
03-23-2018, 07:34 AM
I'd like to see the drills these two do for speed training!
https://tv.ittf.com/video/jang-woojin-lim-jonghoon-morizono-masataka-harimoto-tomokazu/1149708
Masataka makes Tomo look a little slow.

Ioiettino
03-23-2018, 08:56 AM
Ref prob jealous he could never get any decent at TT, takes it out on joe.

Revenge at 3:06. ;)

spursfan
03-23-2018, 11:36 AM
Once again ITTF is restricting its match stream to the USA. It sold the rights to some matches to
turner Sports which is neither telecasting nor streaming them. Is this the way ITTF hopes to promote TT in the USA?

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 11:40 AM
Once again ITTF is restricting its match stream to the USA. It sold the rights to some matches to
turner Sports which is neither telecasting nor streaming them. Is this the way ITTF hopes to promote TT in the USA?

It's working for me today...

WorkerBee
03-23-2018, 12:01 PM
Once again ITTF is restricting its match stream to the USA. It sold the rights to some matches to
turner Sports which is neither telecasting nor streaming them. Is this the way ITTF hopes to promote TT in the USA?
same for me again. They need croissants to go with the Swiss coffee

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 12:13 PM
Finally blocked too.

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 12:54 PM
Don't worry guys, you ain't missing much: ITTV works for 2 minutes then hangs.

cfagyal
03-23-2018, 12:57 PM
I don't understand why Turner would pay for rights and then do nothing with those rights? What is the point?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-23-2018, 01:19 PM
Kato and Hayata knocked out by two Chinese Huang and Wen

They are ranked around 20-30 but looks like the Chinese have 50 players who can beat them

Garrison
03-23-2018, 02:48 PM
Where is the stream of table 2? I wanna see Boll!

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 02:56 PM
And thus, the new nickname for Ma Long was born: The Craptain!

Prymo
03-23-2018, 03:09 PM
Why stream from table 4 doesn't work ??? I want to see Xu Xin vs KUBA DYJAS !!!!!!

Trismegistus
03-23-2018, 03:13 PM
And thus, the new nickname for Ma Long was born: The Craptain!

Your post made me think he lost, but actually he won 4-0...
I guess I'm missing the reference? Or did he just play poorly?

Garrison
03-23-2018, 03:17 PM
Why stream from table 4 doesn't work ??? I want to see Xu Xin vs KUBA DYJAS !!!!!!

That stream works fine for me, Gauzy vs Gacina is still on

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 03:20 PM
Your post made me think he lost, but actually he won 4-0... I guess I'm missing the reference? Or did he just play poorly?
He played very well, but Adam Bobrow called him The Craptain at the end of game 2. Later he explained he mixed up The Dragon and The Captain lol

Prymo
03-23-2018, 03:23 PM
Are you watching on ITTF website ?

Garrison
03-23-2018, 03:29 PM
Gacina making himself a bit of a fool there complaining about a ball at 0-7 down... Gauzy just played way better in the last set


Are you watching on ITTF website ?

Yes

jawien
03-23-2018, 03:31 PM
Go Kuba GO!!! : )

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 03:32 PM
Gacina making himself a bit of a fool there complaining about a ball at 0-7 down...
was he though? He came back to 5-9, well within reach.

jawien
03-23-2018, 03:38 PM
Hey, what will be the score? Kuba vs XX?

Me 4:2 to Kuba ; )

brimbaz
03-23-2018, 03:41 PM
super close game between freitas and yoshida...

Sali
03-23-2018, 03:43 PM
Although Mizutani is my favourite player I really thought Groth is going to give some hard time. There is a difference with top 10 player (maybe even top 5) and top 20 maybe 25. I hope Mizutani can be competitive for ma long.

Ioiettino
03-23-2018, 03:50 PM
Gacina making himself a bit of a fool there complaining about a ball at 0-7 down... Gauzy just played way better in the last set



Yes
I didn't understand, what was that about?

Other than that I was ready to post a pretty long rant about Gauzy who couldn't be arsed for much of the match, and became a bit cocky whenever he won a nice point. He did come out of hibernation eventually, and I am hoping this was just getting in the rythm of things while Gacina has already had a few competitive matches. My being so annoyed is because I have seen so many French players, even more so in tennis, and myself (the level of play is irrelevant) go down that way. Sorry for the monologue. ;)

I am hoping for a QF vs Xu Xin, still. He's super talented, got a great coach. Please don't screw it up.

jawien
03-23-2018, 03:52 PM
Dyjas - Xu Xin 1:1
So far so good ... : )

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 03:53 PM
I didn't understand, what was that about?
Andrej thought the ball hit Simon's shirt, Simon thought it didn't.

Ioiettino
03-23-2018, 04:02 PM
Ok, thanks.

rainneverever
03-23-2018, 04:05 PM
Dima withdrew due to hip injury.
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29543070_2137862659577059_3294333002550535540_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHxjVZc_XUhmJMRkDcI4kt40DQO3_Sh31jeGYQchHrOtAYa8bPoeAwgjsImn7g7ARUhmwosWkjRjclSLQuK71LSaMD1Lqhp-Uc1Az4gGqsK_A&oh=501bcc026e6534e4c8d36bf0b4019c87&oe=5B75E4DB
FZD WR#1 in April

WorkerBee
03-23-2018, 04:14 PM
Dima withdrew due to injury.
FZD WR#1 in April
Poor baby, time for a nap and some medicine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNDtbb3ans8

WorkerBee
03-23-2018, 04:16 PM
Some of the table have come back live for New York, some still give the unavailable message

Sali
03-23-2018, 04:17 PM
Dima withdrew due to injury.
FZD WR#1 in April
How about if Boll wins German Open?

rainneverever
03-23-2018, 04:17 PM
Hola VPN works for me

Ioiettino
03-23-2018, 04:23 PM
I didn't understand, what was that about?

Other than that I was ready to post a pretty long rant about Gauzy who couldn't be arsed for much of the match, and became a bit cocky whenever he won a nice point. He did come out of hibernation eventually, and I am hoping this was just getting in the rythm of things while Gacina has already had a few competitive matches. My being so annoyed is because I have seen so many French players, even more so in tennis, and myself (the level of play is irrelevant) go down that way. Sorry for the monologue. ;)

I am hoping for a QF vs Xu Xin, still. He's super talented, got a great coach. Please don't screw it up.
Hope I didn't say something really stupid here... WB's post (really??) reminded me he's had back injuries quite recently. Apologies if that's the case.

rainneverever
03-23-2018, 04:24 PM
How about if Boll wins German Open?
Even if Timo won, his ranking points would still be lower than FZD's. Only Dima had chance to surpass FZD if he reached final this time.
Congrats to FZD, the third #WR1 in the year of 2018!

Konrad Bak
03-23-2018, 04:27 PM
XU XIN great player and very easy match with Dyjas.

MasterMyself
03-23-2018, 04:33 PM
XU XIN great player and very easy match with Dyjas.XX seem to have issue with Dyjas serve which he tossed behind his body a bit, esp his crosscourt long serve. Maybe just the tv viewing angle

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MasterMyself
03-23-2018, 04:35 PM
Dima withdrew due to hip injury.
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29543070_2137862659577059_3294333002550535540_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHxjVZc_XUhmJMRkDcI4kt40DQO3_Sh31jeGYQchHrOtAYa8bPoeAwgjsImn7g7ARUhmwosWkjRjclSLQuK71LSaMD1Lqhp-Uc1Az4gGqsK_A&oh=501bcc026e6534e4c8d36bf0b4019c87&oe=5B75E4DB
FZD WR#1 in AprilRetired when he was 2 games down and 5~1 on 4th game. Injure before or during the match?

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Konrad Bak
03-23-2018, 04:42 PM
XX seem to have issue with Dyjas serve which he tossed behind his body a bit, esp his crosscourt long serve. Maybe just the tv viewing angle

Sent from my SM-N9500 using Tapatalk

illegal serve from Dyjas of course.

Sali
03-23-2018, 04:46 PM
Even if Timo won, his ranking points would still be lower than FZD's. Only Dima had chance to surpass FZD if he reached final this time.
Congrats to FZD, the third #WR1 in the year of 2018!
ok thanks, since you are the master of new system can you tell me how qualification works? For instance Groth had to win 4 or 5 matches to advance to top 32 and Mizutani was already in. Let's suppose Mizutani will loose with ma long (hope not) who will get more points for this tour Groth or Mizutani?

jawien
03-23-2018, 04:48 PM
Mizutani. What counts is the stage you qualified to.

Garrison
03-23-2018, 04:51 PM
Dima already withdrew from German Championships and Qatar Open due to back problems. If he really needed to withdraw here is speculation

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 04:53 PM
Big, big win for Kasumi, really happy for her. Miu, meanwhile, down 0-3 against a chopper.

rainneverever
03-23-2018, 04:55 PM
Since JM proceeded to R16, JM would get 1350 if he lost to ML and more than that if he beat ML.
For Groth, he got 1125 as loser in R32 + 57 * 2 (group matches played) = 1239

Suga D
03-23-2018, 05:10 PM
Dima already withdrew from German Championships and Qatar Open due to back problems. If he really needed to withdraw here is speculation

Too bad. :(
Imagine how Franziska's confidence would have been boosted if he would have won regular.

Sali
03-23-2018, 05:55 PM
Since JM proceeded to R16, JM would get 1350 if he lost to ML and more than that if he beat ML.
For Groth, he got 1125 as loser in R32 + 57 * 2 (group matches played) = 1239
Thanks, appreciate it.

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 05:57 PM
So what happened at 3-3 in the decider between Mima Ito and Sun Yingsha? The umpire called something during Mima's serve, I thought it was a let or a fault, yet the score became 4-3 in her favor.

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 05:59 PM
Rainneverever, do you know who Chen Xingtong's coach is? I've seen her coach Sun Yingsha in the past, during China Open iirc. Was she a notable player?

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 06:34 PM
So what happened at 3-3 in the decider between Mima Ito and Sun Yingsha? The umpire called something during Mima's serve, I thought it was a let or a fault, yet the score became 4-3 in her favor.
SYS won.

rainneverever
03-23-2018, 06:37 PM
Rainneverever, do you know who Chen Xingtong's coach is? I've seen her coach Sun Yingsha in the past, during China Open iirc. Was she a notable player?
Zhang Qin, the only female coach in CNT. WY, Zhang Qiang, Che Xiaoxi, Li Jiayi are in her coach group.
She was a CNT player, but did not win any world champion.

NextLevel
03-23-2018, 06:49 PM
Zhang Qin, the only female coach in CNT. WY, Zhang Qiang, Che Xiaoxi, Li Jiayi are in her coach group.
She was a CNT player, but did not win any world champion.

Was she once the cadet coach? Can't understand how she gets assigned all these somewhat lower players...

WorkerBee
03-23-2018, 06:52 PM
Tomo even with Filus, 3rd game

Atas Newton
03-23-2018, 07:19 PM
SYS won.
no-no, I watched the game finish, I was asking about that point. How do you possibly get a point awarded to you if an umpire interrupts your own serve? Sun Yingsha had no yellow card nor was she time-wasting at that moment.

Ilia Minkin
03-23-2018, 07:23 PM
Filus wins!

AndySmith
03-23-2018, 07:53 PM
Filus wins!

What a match that was. Hari couldn't overpower Filus and the points ended up being epic. Well worth a rewatch.

Ioiettino
03-23-2018, 08:29 PM
Karlsson!! 6-9 down, pulls out a roller and wins it. In style, too.

JesperStef
03-23-2018, 09:55 PM
Results from Day 4 (23 March 2018):

Men's Singles

Round of 32:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 1:4 Patrick Franziska (6:11, 11:7, 10:12, 1:4 w.o.)
Masaki Yoshida 3:4 Marcos Freitas [9] (11:9, 4:11, 11:8, 11:9, 5:11, 9:11, 9:11)

[16] Kristian Karlsson 4:2 Ricardo Walther (5:11, 12:10, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 11:9)
Ruwen Filus 4:2 Tomokazu Harimoto [8] (11:5, 7:11, 14:12, 8:11, 11:7, 11:5)

[7] Simon Gauzy 4:3 Andrej Gacina (11:3, 4:11, 4:11, 11:9, 11:7, 5:11, 11:5)
Ho Kwan Kit 4:1 Omar Assar [14] (11:6, 11:7, 11:6, 5:11, 12:10)

[15] Yuya Oshima 2:4 Jeoung Youngsik (10:12, 11:4, 6:11, 11:1, 8:11, 8:11)
Jakub Dyjas 2:4 Xu Xin [3] (5:11, 11:9, 8:11, 6:11, 11:9, 5:11)

[4] Koki Niwa 4:2 Jin Ueda (11:8, 11:6, 5:11, 11:5, 8:11, 11:6)
Mattias Karlsson 4:2 Hugo Calderano [13] (13:11, 9:11, 11:8, 10:12, 11:6, 12:10)

[2] Lee Sangsu 4:1 Kirill Skachkov (12:10, 11:3, 7:11, 13:11, 11:3)
Jeong Sangeun 2:4 Wong Chun Ting [6] (5:11, 11:8, 4:11, 5:11, 11:9, 5:11)

[5] Ma Long 4:0 Maharu Yoshimura (11:6, 11:7, 11:5, 14:12)
Jonathan Groth 0:4 Jun Mizutani [11] (3:11, 7:11, 8:11, 7:11)

[10] Chuang Chih-Yuan 4:1 Liao Cheng-Ting (4:11, 11:9, 11:6, 11:7, 11:8)
An Jaehyun 0:4 Timo Boll [2] (3:11, 5:11, 7:11, 9:11)


Women's Singles

Round of 32:

[1] Feng Tianwei 4:2 Satsuki Odo (11:9, 11:9, 8:11, 11:7, 10:12, 11:4)
Huang Yingqi 4:3 Miyu Kato [12] (11:8, 13:11, 3:11, 11:7, 9:11, 8:11, 11:8)

[16] Sabine Winter 2:4 Jeon Jihee (11:5, 9:11, 6:11, 13:11, 9:11, 5:11)
Sofia Polcanova 4:0 Li Jie [7] (12:10, 11:2, 17:15, 11:3)

[8]Chen Szu-Yu 3:4 Yang Haeun (14:16, 9:11, 11:7, 11:8, 10:12, 11:9, 6:11)
Zhang Mo 0:4 Han Ying [15] (6:11, 7:11, 14:16, 9:11)

[14] Suh Hyowon 4:3 Cheng Hsien-Tzu (8:11, 14:12, 6:11, 11:9, 11:6, 10:12, 11:7)
Honoka Hashimoto 1:4 Miu Hirano [4] (6:11, 9:11, 9:11, 11:9, 14:16)

[3] Mima Ito 4:1 Britt Eerland (11:8, 11:7, 9:11, 12:10, 11:8)
Sun Yingsha 4:0 Lee Ho Ching [10] (11:8, 11:7, 11:8, 11:7)

[11] Hina Hayata 0:4 Wen Jia (9:11, 4:11, 9:11, 6:11)
Saki Shibata 1:4 Cheng I-Ching [5] (3:11, 11:3, 11:13, 7:11, 9:11)

[6] Doo Hoi Kem 1:4 Fan Siqi (7:11, 11:8, 6:11, 8:11, 9:11)
Wu Yang 4:2 Sakura Mori [13] (11:9, 11:8, 13:15, 11:5, 9:11, 12:10)

[9] Chen Xingtong 4:0 Mu Zi (11:5, 11:6, 11:8, 11:8)
Hitomi Sato 0:4 Kasumi Ishikawa [2] (5:11, 6:11, 6:11, 7:11)


Round of 16:

[1] Feng Tianwei 4:3 Huang Yingqi (8:11, 11:3, 4:11, 9:11, 11:5, 11:9, 11:6)
Jeon Jihee 4:3 Sofia Polcanova (10:12, 12:14, 11:8, 11:5, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9)

Yang Haeun 4:0 Han Ying [15] (11:3, 12:10, 11:9, 14:12)
[14] Suh Hyowon 4:2 Miu Hirano [4] (11:8, 11:9, 11:6, 7:11, 4:11, 11:7)

[3] Mima Ito 3:4 Sun Yingsha (11:7, 9:11, 12:14, 6:11, 11:6, 12:10, 6:11)
Wen Jia 0:4 Cheng I-Ching [5] (8:11, 12:14, 7:11, 8:11)

Fan Siqi 0:4 Wu Yang (4:11, 7:11, 7:11, 2:11)
[9] Chen Xingtong 0:4 Kasumi Ishikawa [2] (9:11, 8:11, 18:20, 6:11)


Men's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting 1:3 Jeoung Youngsik/Lee Sangsu [7] (7:11, 7:11, 11:8, 8:11)
[8] Jun Mizutani/Yuya Oshima 2:3 Tomokazu Harimoto/Masataka Morizono [3](13:11, 5:11, 9:11, 11:9, 3:11)

Chen Chien-An/Chuang Chih-Yuan 3:2 Ruwen Filus/Ricardo Walther [6] (4:11, 11:9, 8:11, 11:4, 11:8)
[5 ]Ma Long/Xu Xin 3:1 Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth [2] (11:9, 8:11, 11:3, 11:1)


Women's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito 3:0 Orawan Paranang/Suthasini Sawettabut (11:7,11:8, 11:9)
[5] Ng Wing Nam/Minnie Soo Wai Yam 3:1 Adina Diaconu/Bernadette Szocs (6:11, 11:7, 11:9, 11:4)

[3] Jeon Jihee/Yang Haeun 3:1 Daniela Monteiro Dodean/Elizabeta Samara (11:6, 11:7, 9:11, 11:8)
Cheng Hsien-Tzu/Liu Hsing-Yin 1:3 Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [2] (9:11, 11:13, 13:11, 9:11)

rainneverever
03-23-2018, 10:16 PM
“Firstly, in my opinion, she is one of the tougher opponents. Before this match, I thought of possibility of losing or playing to a deciding game. I did my full preparation for the match. I thought of losing since I am not familiar with her play and she plays faster and makes many changes; in the first game I tried to adapt. I led three-one in the match but I had been a little lucky; when Japanese players play against Chinese players, they tend to make a really big effort. I got flustered after she played few good points. At three-three, when 5-5 in deciding game, I played firmly and told myself that I can’t lose. The difficulty was in the deciding game when 3-all, the umpire said the time of my preparation to serve was too long and gave one point to Ito, I took this seriously. I told myself the most important thing is to win the match and not lose.” Sun Yingsha

zeio
03-24-2018, 12:17 AM
Jakub DYJAS (POL) after losing 2-4 to XU Xin (CHN) in Men’s Singles Round 1:

"Xu Xin is a great player, for sure stronger than me. The key of the game was his very good service. I couldn't receive it very well. In the rallies I felt a little bit uncomfortable, because of the Chinese rubber are jumping much higher. But I think I played very well here in Germany und I still need to keep training and practicing."
Yet another opinion from a pro that equipment makes all the difference.

WorkerBee
03-24-2018, 01:44 AM
Yet another opinion from a pro that equipment makes all the difference.And/Or very good serves

Ilia Minkin
03-24-2018, 03:25 AM
Yet another opinion from a pro that equipment makes all the difference.

He didn't say that.

Atas Newton
03-24-2018, 06:19 AM
https://streamable.com/14bni
#gocraptainlong

WorkerBee
03-24-2018, 09:22 AM
china vs hong kong and japan vs korea doubles right now, good video and the video is working in new york, german commentator is good too, life is good

Astorix
03-24-2018, 09:27 AM
Richard Prause is commentating on table 1. He is the Sports Director for German table tennis and former German National Coach.
His knowledge about the sport makes it very pleasing for players, to listen. i like.

Sali
03-24-2018, 10:43 AM
Now we will see what is the current form of Ma long. Hope Mizutani can win it.

Sali
03-24-2018, 11:04 AM
Mizutani is trying hard although he is making some mistakes with his FH strokes. But Ma Long is just too good - serve, receive, backhand. I do not think anyone can stop Ma long wining german open.

Atas Newton
03-24-2018, 11:08 AM
I know it's all in the eye of the beholder, but Mizutani just looks completely doomed from the start, as if he's destined to lose. Tomo, for example, looked far more confident against Fan Zhendong.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
03-24-2018, 11:11 AM
Mizutani has lost so many times against Ma Long, even winning one set is a feat for him. How could he be confident ?

Sali
03-24-2018, 11:27 AM
I know it's all in the eye of the beholder, but Mizutani just looks completely doomed from the start, as if he's destined to lose. Tomo, for example, looked far more confident against Fan Zhendong.
That is true. Maybe it is because it was second time in a row when he faces chinese top player just in second round. I remember he was fighting well at the Olympics with Ma Long.

Garrison
03-24-2018, 11:40 AM
Xu Xin looks sharp as **** today

Astorix
03-24-2018, 11:54 AM
Xu Xin looks sharp as **** today

flawless. Even his RPB doesn`t seem to be a weak point anymore.

a bit off topic; On the stream at close up camera it appears he switched his blade again

Ioiettino
03-24-2018, 11:55 AM
Richard Prause is commentating on table 1. He is the Sports Director for German table tennis and former German National Coach.
His knowledge about the sport makes it very pleasing for players, to listen. i like.

I was wondering who he was. I like him, too.

Also, props to the German crowd. Watching ML/MJ you'd have the feeling you were missing the match of the century, as the cheers for Ruwen at the next table got so loud. Same thing happened yesterday to a lesser extent, when Calderano / M. Karlsson got outcheered by Walther / K. Karlsson.
Not that the crowd is overly nationalistic, just good old positive, engaged atmosphere. Nice.

Konrad Bak
03-24-2018, 12:44 PM
no handshake with referees from Freitas

he should blame only his attitude


and Dyjas with "CHINESE EQUIPMENT IS BETTER "
but someone said here that he use h3 xd


the craptain Ma Long

Suga D
03-24-2018, 01:00 PM
Yeah, agreed.
But Franziska seems to also have overcome his negative streak, and finally starts showing his potential.
Maybe yesterday's match was good for his confidence too. One day before he eliminated polish open winner Jang WooJin clearly.

Nice.

Garrison
03-24-2018, 01:28 PM
Excellent plays by Chuang Chih Yuan, very tough game for Boll, but exciting rallies.

Ioiettino
03-24-2018, 01:51 PM
Excellent plays by Chuang Chih Yuan, very tough game for Boll, but exciting rallies.
I was following Gauzy... Had to revert to this one. Wow. Getting into big rallies to save a match point and stuff.
Niwa vs M. Karlsson should be a cracker, too.

jawien
03-24-2018, 02:01 PM
Yet another opinion from a pro [Dyjas] that equipment makes all the difference.

It just shows European style does not know yet, how to counter it efficiently. I fear, they don't practice enough against the "Chinese rubbers" and the euro/jap style needs to become more athletic imho.

phorkyas
03-24-2018, 02:04 PM
I was following Gauzy... Had to revert to this one. Wow. Getting into big rallies to save a match point and stuff.
Niwa vs M. Karlsson should be a cracker, too.Great matches indeed. (All QFs are righthanded against lefty)

Sent from my ZTE Grand S II LTE using Tapatalk

zeio
03-24-2018, 03:29 PM
I know it's all in the eye of the beholder, but Mizutani just looks completely doomed from the start, as if he's destined to lose. Tomo, for example, looked far more confident against Fan Zhendong.
Ever heard of Miu Hirano?

She was so cheerful after becoming World Cup holder and ATTC Champion. 6 months down the road, she was crying on national television, mumbling "table tennis is no fun."

When you decide to go against China, be well prepared for the consequences. They will do everything in their power to make your life miserable.

Rwisniewski
03-24-2018, 03:42 PM
So another big clash between Timo and Ma ...! Can’t wait :) , he have less time to recover and he had a thought game. But still I hope he'll win this match and afterwords whole tournament! Go go Timo

jawien
03-24-2018, 03:49 PM
When you decide to go against China, be well prepared for the consequences. They will do everything in their power to make your life miserable.

Bring it on Zeio! : ) I myself consider no other goal in tt, than beating the top players, which happen to be Chinese these days.

drunix80
03-24-2018, 04:49 PM
Ishikwaka is on a Chinese killing spree. It either means she has improved a lot or the newer CNT women's players are following Men's way (LJK/LGY etc).

jawien
03-24-2018, 05:10 PM
Great success for Kasumi and I-Ching : )
Chinese girls eliminated before SF, quite rare. Still one have to keep in mind, it was like a second team of CNT's. No DN, LSW, CM, ZY, WM ...

Anyway great success for them!

zeio
03-24-2018, 05:26 PM
Yet, Ishikawa's record against DN and LSW remains at a fat O.

On a serious note, she is under immense pressure to perform. She is now the eldest on the team, at ONLY 25 years old. Numerous TV programs of her makes that a catchphrase. The ABS 40+ has taken a toll on her game and, at her age, she has had much more trouble adapting than her younger teammates. Sayaka Hirano commented Ishikawa is at the same stage as she was several years back when the cellulose acetate 40+ was introduced.

OTOH, the media are starting to wonder if Ishikawa can even secure her spot for Tokyo, referencing S Hirano's retirement at 32 years old, Ai Fukuhara's at 29 years old, and if everything goes as planned, Ishikawa could be playing her last Olympics at 27 years old. The opinions on Japanese major forum 5chan are not all too bright, either.

jawien
03-24-2018, 05:34 PM
Oldest or not, I think before Tokyo every member on the Japan team must feel pressure.

What draw my attention was how firm her strokes were against WY. She was able to consistently play those high spiny shots before preparing for the big hit, and then follow on strong attacks. I have never seen her like this before.

PatriciaPinheiro
03-24-2018, 05:40 PM
If everything goes well, I'll see Feng and KASUMI tomorrow in finals

PatriciaPinheiro
03-24-2018, 05:48 PM
I remember FT had problem with the Singapore team or something like that. It'd be the reason why she has no coach with her or it's not that odd a player who isn't playing against someone from the same association to not have one? (I can't remember from other competitive, I only paid attention now)

zeio
03-24-2018, 05:50 PM
It just shows European style does not know yet, how to counter it efficiently. I fear, they don't practice enough against the "Chinese rubbers" and the euro/jap style needs to become more athletic imho.
From the podcasts and interviews, I get the impression that they have made zero attempt. It's not just for technique and equipment that they think China has an advantage. I've heard multiple times that they feel CNT players are physically stronger than them.

zeio
03-24-2018, 05:55 PM
If everything goes well, I'll see Feng and KASUMI tomorrow in finals
In that case, the odds is against Ishikawa.

She lost more in singles but won more in team. The last time she lost was in the Korea Open 2017.

mky
03-24-2018, 06:07 PM
Xu Xin went back to his old blade?

zeio
03-24-2018, 06:11 PM
What draw my attention was how firm her strokes were against WY. She was able to consistently play those high spiny shots before preparing for the big hit, and then follow on strong attacks. I have never seen her like this before.
That's not surprising. The last time Fukuhara and Ishikawa were eliminated by Wu Yang at German Open 2013, Fukuhara consulted with a Chinese coach (https://read01.com/zh-mo/05Pej.html), who told them that both of them played too safe against choppers. JTTA then hired 2 full-time choppers from China as training partners and things started to change, at least for Ishikawa.

Garrison
03-24-2018, 06:13 PM
Things getting interesting on table 1

Rwisniewski
03-24-2018, 06:16 PM
XX is getting angry right now :P

TTFrenzy
03-24-2018, 06:33 PM
rofl with the equipment comments. the top chinese win because they have overall more complete technique footwork and stroke linkage. And of course they are more experienced in service/receive and opening phase since they practice more even in theoretical level.

gauyzy giving a real hard time to XX which kinda shows that equipment has zero to insignificant importance. if that was the case timo wouldnt win as well as dima in 2017

jawien
03-24-2018, 06:53 PM
From the podcasts and interviews, I get the impression that they have made zero attempt. It's not just for technique and equipment that they think China has an advantage. I've heard multiple times that they feel CNT players are physically stronger than them.

Too bad, Simon had a chance ...

Yep .. the rubber, technique and more athletic, so what is left: Enigmatic feeling, JO like blocking, placement ... don't seem to be much enough.

drunix80
03-24-2018, 07:03 PM
Can captain long prevail against evergreen Boll ?? It should be a great match . I am hoping for a 4:2 victory for ML.

NextLevel
03-24-2018, 07:07 PM
Can captain long prevail against evergreen Boll ?? It should be a great match . I am hoping for a 4:2 victory for ML.

This is Timo's best chance (on home soil) and I don't think it is going to happen. Its one of those rare occasions that i dont want it to happen either. I miss seeing the Captain and i want all these silly comments about thr new world rankings to reduce a bit and they won't if Ma Long doesn't win the stuff he plays in.

zeio
03-24-2018, 07:07 PM
There're two sides to a coin, though.

ML said he decided to fix up his backhand after losing ZJK in the final at World Cup 2014. Changing to H3 on the backhand is said to force him to break his habit of borrowing power from the opponent, since tacky rubbers make you work for your shots.

OTOH, FZD changed his blade and lost to DO at the German Open 2017. Wu Jingping said that looking for excuses and solutions from equipment is unrealistic. Picking equipment that fits your style should be the priority, and that T05 works better for his technical trait.

zeio
03-24-2018, 07:12 PM
Too bad, Simon had a chance ...

Yep .. the rubber, technique and more athletic, so what is left: Enigmatic feeling, JO like blocking, placement ... don't seem to be much enough.
In that match, it appears to me Simon ran out of gas after taking the first 2 games. He played Gatien-aggressive to compensate for his technique and like his predecessor, his body couldn't keep up.

All in all, he played great. I saw the desire in his eyes. That's a good start.

jawien
03-24-2018, 07:22 PM
There're two sides to a coin, though [...]

@FZD is currently playing Infinity or ALC just with the Infinity's handle? What was the blade he switched to?

I mean T05 for bh is fine. When it starts to be problematic for me, is T05 on the fh in general. The throw angle is too high for the fh (imho), and it hinders the physicality of the stroke.

zeio
03-24-2018, 07:30 PM
Both all-wood and ALC have been seen.

The ALC is pretty certain to be Viscaria, but not sure for the all-wood.

Garrison
03-24-2018, 07:37 PM
Timo will win! Captain Ma has to wait longer for his great come back ;)

jawien
03-24-2018, 07:41 PM
The "overrated" Wong Chun Ting, hmm ...
; )

zeio
03-24-2018, 07:44 PM
Here comes the final, folks.

Garrison
03-24-2018, 08:15 PM
Bit of magic is starting to sparkle in the room

TTHopeful
03-24-2018, 08:22 PM
Is the semi today or tomorrow?

jawien
03-24-2018, 08:27 PM
Tomorrow, remember the time change in Germany.

v100ev
03-24-2018, 08:28 PM
What the hell is Timo's coach thinking? Leading 9:4, then 9:7, 9:8 and no timeout! Even when it's clear that Ma Long's BH serve causes problems..

Garrison
03-24-2018, 08:28 PM
It's all the plan boys. Timo realized at 9-4 that he needs to be 1-3 down to Ma Long in order to win

NextLevel
03-24-2018, 08:33 PM
What the hell is Timo's coach thinking? Leading 9:4, then 9:7, 9:8 and no timeout! Even when it's clear that Ma Long's BH serve causes problems..

What would you have told Timo to do? No point using the timeout if you have nothing to say.

jawien
03-24-2018, 08:37 PM
What would you have told Timo to do? No point using the timeout if you have nothing to say.

Even if you have nothing to say, you'll give your player some time to calm down and recover, and break opponent's rhythm.

zeio
03-24-2018, 08:40 PM
A TO at that point is usually called just so your player can get a breather and gather his thought, and hopefully to disrupt the flow and streak of the opponent.

Garrison
03-24-2018, 08:47 PM
Sad. This could have been another 7 games nailbaiter, great final points. GG Ma Long!

Richie
03-24-2018, 08:48 PM
Its been a long day.. i was convinced this was the final :D

rainneverever
03-24-2018, 08:50 PM
Timo has never beaten ML in Germany, ever since 2005 German Open when ML first traveled to Germany.
Good game and Timo has to learn what LGY felt when leading 10:5.

NextLevel
03-24-2018, 08:50 PM
A TO at that point is usually called just so your player can get a breather and gather his thought, and hopefully to disrupt the flow and streak of the opponent.
Obviously. The point is that it doesn't always make a difference and the coach still has the prerogative to read his player and make a judgement call, as opposed to doing something just as logical and getting second guessed. Timo didn't play any worse in this match vs how he played, even on those points he lost.

zeio
03-24-2018, 08:51 PM
Recall how many matches were drifting away until LGL called the TO and turned the tide.

There're many Chinese articles written on the art of TO. Yup, the art of TO.

rainneverever
03-24-2018, 08:55 PM
The "overrated" Wong Chun Ting, hmm ...
; )

The current WR#6 WCT will have a real test in the semifinal to face the current WR#9 <L in the semi, who has just upset the current WR#1 Timo Boll :P

NextLevel
03-24-2018, 08:55 PM
Even if you have nothing to say, you'll give your player some time to calm down and recover, and break opponent's rhythm.

Timo is an experienced player being managed by an experienced coach (Rosskopf). You don't think they have an agreement about how to handle these things?

v100ev
03-24-2018, 08:55 PM
What would you have told Timo to do? No point using the timeout if you have nothing to say.
Ok, let's imagine that he doesn't know what to say to his player.. Then it's time for retirement :)
But it's pretty obvious that even if you don't have a 100% tactical advice than you can help your player relax a little cause he, obviously, feels the pressure after leading 9:4 and loosing 3 points in a row. Help him regain some confidence, also maybe this TO will break the opponents rhythm. This timeout may be a risk - but no timeout can guarantee you anything. And an aggressive timeout is very important cause it shows the determination of the coach.
I may be wrong. But I just can't see a reason why Jorg didn't take a timeout while Timo was loosing all those points on ML's BH serve and on his own serve too.

NextLevel
03-24-2018, 08:58 PM
Ok, let's imagine that he doesn't know what to say to his player.. Then it's time for retirement :)
But it's pretty obvious that even if you don't have a 100% tactical advice than you can help your player relax a little cause he, obviously, feels the pressure after leading 9:4 and loosing 3 points in a row. Help him regain some confidence, also maybe this TO will break the opponents rhythm. This timeout may be a risk - but no timeout can guarantee you anything. And an aggressive timeout is very important cause it shows the determination of the coach.
I may be wrong. But I just can't see a reason why Jorg didn't take a timeout while Timo was loosing all those points on ML's BH serve and on his own serve too.

You may be 100% right and yours is the traditional thinking. But there were times in NBA matches that Phil Jackson would let his team play through tough times where the traditional thinking was that a timeout is needed. Sometimes, it is just about knowing your player and when you think something is wrong. Maybe a more aggressive approach to using timeouts would have made a difference. Sometimes it doesn't. Honestly, in my limited experience, aggressive timeout management tends to favor the BETTER player.