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janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 12:25 PM
Firstly, I have a dedication to become a pro table tennis player and my uncle is taking me on a holiday to Sweden.He can move me there but the thing is I really want to train there and become a national player since I really want to represent Sweden.The training here in England is terrible the coaches don’t care for you and I train with a level 4 English coach.He has trained me and I’m not improving! I really want to know do Sweden have good facilities and training better then England? Probably I just want to hear from your point of view.Btw I’m 13

suds79
04-10-2018, 01:34 PM
I'd reach out to Liu Guoliang to see if he's available for private lessons.

Yecats Encerwal
04-10-2018, 01:53 PM
Firstly, I have a dedication to become a pro table tennis player and my uncle is taking me on a holiday to Sweden.He can move me there but the thing is I really want to train there and become a national player since I really want to represent Sweden.The training here in England is terrible the coaches don’t care for you and I train with a level 4 English coach.He has trained me and I’m not improving! I really want to know do Sweden have good facilities and training better then England? Probably I just want to hear from your point of view.Btw I’m 13

Hi,

Firstly, good for you! No harm in having ambition, and if you work really hard I don't see why you can't make it.

Yes, having a good coach and good facilities is important, but always remember that you'll only get out what you put in, so work as hard as you can and learn from your losses. The first step to success is failure, so don't be afraid to lose!

I don't know much about the facilities and coaches in Sweden, but best of luck anyway!

What level are you at now? Do you have a UK ranking?

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 02:10 PM
eh I’m 680 in the cadets in uk

mr. tom
04-10-2018, 02:10 PM
This is strange; Waldner isn't even dead yet.

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 02:13 PM
mr tom u made my day lmfao but waldner is a huge idol to me and the fellow other swedes

Yecats Encerwal
04-10-2018, 03:01 PM
eh I’m 680 in the cadets in uk

Sounds like you have a long way to go then! I was expecting you to say you were top 50 cadets or something haha :)

I was probably around the top 100 cadets when I was younger, maybe higher, but its hard to say cause I don't live in England so never had an official ranking. I know I was 'rated' top 100 Under 21's at one point, but no idea about cadets!

But nonetheless, best of luck!! Keep the forum updated with your journey :)

UpSideDownCarl
04-10-2018, 03:18 PM
I think, in the 1990s training in Sweden was great. It may still be good. But you may be better off in Germany or China. I guess some of it also depends on your ability to understand the language of the country you are going to.

Yecats Encerwal has made two good posts with good advice.

Good luck wherever you end up training.

And here is information that will help you understand something valuable about a certain kind of training. This video is not specifically about TT. But the principles of training the random element still apply. And also how, training random does not make it look like you are getting better during training. But the results show up in match play where it counts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_5nWKyRzKM

yoass
04-10-2018, 03:20 PM
Firstly, I have a dedication to become a pro table tennis player and my uncle is taking me on a holiday to Sweden.He can move me there but the thing is I really want to train there and become a national player since I really want to represent Sweden.The training here in England is terrible the coaches don’t care for you and I train with a level 4 English coach.He has trained me and I’m not improving! I really want to know do Sweden have good facilities and training better then England? Probably I just want to hear from your point of view.Btw I’m 13

Once upon a time you'd be hard pressed to find a better training venue than Falkenberg, Halland. It's probably still a veritable table tennis stronghold, check out http://idrottonline.se/FalkenbergsBTK-Bordtennis/Lager/InternationalTrainingCenter

Yecats Encerwal
04-10-2018, 03:22 PM
I think, in the 1990s training in Sweden was great. It may still be good. But you may be better off in Germany or China. I guess some of it also depends on your ability to understand the language of the country you are going to.

Yecats Encerwal has made two good posts with good advice.

Good luck wherever you end up training.

And here is information that will help you understand something valuable about a certain kind of training. This video is not specifically about TT. But the principles of training the random element still apply. And also how, training random does not make it look like you are getting better during training. But the results show up in match play where it counts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_5nWKyRzKM

Thanks Carl, long time no speak. I hope you are doing well!

:)

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 03:25 PM
this guy at my club he started playing properly at the age of 13 and he was at my level when he started.He is an advanced pro and he’s 16 now playing in the British league etc top players in the junior league

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 03:29 PM
waldner says you need to build a good understanding of the game first which is correct.My coach he has top juniors and is the best coach in London Middlesex.I just train I’m not actually understanding.You see how in Europe coaches don’t care for you :/

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 03:31 PM
I’m going to training today any tips? I’m playing with a good advanced player.Hes not a pro but his strokes are certainly clean and when I train with him my control on my blocks improves.Its just I can’t topspin with these players cuz I struggle that’s why I block their top spins in drills

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 03:33 PM
he’s certainly good in warming me up on counter drives,service return and making my sense of fame better. I just can’t loop with him idk the technique

Yecats Encerwal
04-10-2018, 03:40 PM
waldner says you need to build a good understanding of the game first which is correct.My coach he has top juniors and is the best coach in London Middlesex.I just train I’m not actually understanding.You see how in Europe coaches don’t care for you :/

That's great, and from experience I can say that the British League is great to play in, both Junior and Senior.

I would avoid generalising by saying "European coaches don't care for you", as I can say that just isn't true. There are many fantastic coaches around Europe and in the UK.

The important thing is that you must care for yourself first, put in the time on the table and the results will show.

You can't expect a coach to treat you like a Pro until you show the commitment, attitude and work ethic of a Pro! :)

Give yourself time to improve, and don't expect a "magic" coach to do the work to get you where you want to be! :)

Yecats Encerwal
04-10-2018, 03:43 PM
he’s certainly good in warming me up on counter drives,service return and making my sense of fame better. I just can’t loop with him idk the technique

Watch videos of pro's with a technique you desire, then try to replicate. First without a ball, then when you are comfortable, take it to the table. Maybe film yourself so you can review and adjust accordingly.

:)

songdavid98
04-10-2018, 03:50 PM
The training here in England is terrible the coaches don’t care for you and I train with a level 4 English coach.He has trained me and I’m not improving!

Where are you not improving? Or do you just not know? You seem to be a new player, so you probably don't understand what you need to do.


You should ask yourself some questions if you want to improve:

1. Are you learning any new techniques? If so, keep practicing it until you feel confident in it. If you are getting stuck and you aren't consistent with a specific technique, try posting a video of yourself trying and we will to give advice.

2. What are your weaknesses (do you know what they are)? Try working on what you are weakest with to become a more well-rounded player. If you get stuck, try posting a video and we will give advice.

3. Do you practice with a SPECIFIC goal in mind? If you have a daily goal (today, I will make my forehand loop on underspin have more spin; today, I will backhand block down the line more consistently; today, I will get better at moving right to left), you will improve step by step very quickly. But you have no aim, and only dream of being like Waldner, you will never get there. Or if you have only a broad goal (I want a better serve; I want a better forehand), you won't get there. You should always have something to work on, whether it be spin, speed, placement, or footwork. Always be mindful and have a small, specific goal when you practice.

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 03:52 PM
I built up my service variation just by watching and I tried it out and I’m perfecting it.Ik how to loop against backspin by putting your bat down behind your knee.I do it perfectly fine.Any videos on how to forehand topspin my coach just says drop the bat down knee level and angle it but it doesn’t seem like a topspin.

songdavid98
04-10-2018, 03:55 PM
I built up my service variation just by watching and I tried it out and I’m perfecting it.Ik how to loop against backspin by putting your bat down behind your knee.I do it perfectly fine.Any videos on how to forehand topspin my coach just says drop the bat down knee level and angle it but it doesn’t seem like a topspin.

You say you look underspin perfectly fine, but you say you can't do a topspin. That's contradictory. You should post a video of yourself, so that we can give more accurate and specific advice.

What do you mean by, "it doesn't seem like a topspin"? Do you find yourself not spinning the ball? Are you missing your shot? You need to give us more information if you want us to help you.

You can find vague and general advice everywhere on the internet. However, advice that's tailored towards you will work best.

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 04:10 PM
tbh I’ll break down it in videos on all my shots so u can see.

mart1nandersson
04-10-2018, 10:55 PM
Spårvägen (the club of Appelgren & Waldner) is a great option if you're thinking about Stockholm.

On a side note: A Chinese colleague of mine was shell shocked when she realised that her not-so-great (her own words) son was being coached by Mikael Appelgren at a very low cost.

http://www.sparvagenbtk.se/borjaspelapingis/LookingforatabletennisclubinStockholm/

janovewaldnersghost
04-10-2018, 10:59 PM
hey guys should I record myself just shadowing the strokes and u can tell me how to improve?

UpSideDownCarl
04-11-2018, 06:05 AM
hey guys should I record myself just shadowing the strokes and u can tell me how to improve?

Record training and match play. If you were a total beginner, shadow strokes would help us see how to help you correct your shadow strokes. But if you are trying to train and improve, and you are beyond the total beginner stage, then seeing what you do when responding to the ball is more valuable.

Dan
04-11-2018, 09:55 AM
tbh I’ll break down it in videos on all my shots so u can see.

Hey welcome to TTD!

There have been a lot of great responses here. Looking forward to watching your videos and shots so we can provide you with some feedback :)

I grew up in London to playing table tennis. Best days of my life hopping on different tubes trains to different clubs and venues. What I learned after time is that you have to become very independent with your own game and mindset. The way that helped me do this was have my own diary that I used for reflection. So on the train home I would write down key points of the day that I learned from a coach or player, or something that I picked up myself.

Having a diary is also great for when playing tournaments and matches. You can reflect on what went well, what you think you could do better next time and how you actually felt in the match,, i.e confident, nervous etc. Then when you go to training next you can see what areas you can work on. this will help you find your game plan to. Having a game plan and knowing what your working towards is really good because it gives you a focus.

The fact you are posting on here asking for feedbacks and tips is a very good sign your going to go far in TT :)

Train hard buddy!

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 11:12 AM
also dan u know Phillip sangchin right he’s my coach and he said that he knows u

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 11:20 AM
today I’m going training and I will ask him to teach me how to loop and I’m going to work on my blocking down the line more during drills.im going to start pushing first for a good feel on the ball then I chop short etc.warm up on counter drives and footwork 3rd ball attack drills.Forehand flicks and backhand flicks for variation of return. So I’m going to keep myself busy just like waldner :) thanks.

Dan
04-11-2018, 12:04 PM
also dan u know Phillip sangchin right he’s my coach and he said that he knows u


today I’m going training and I will ask him to teach me how to loop and I’m going to work on my blocking down the line more during drills.im going to start pushing first for a good feel on the ball then I chop short etc.warm up on counter drives and footwork 3rd ball attack drills.Forehand flicks and backhand flicks for variation of return. So I’m going to keep myself busy just like waldner :) thanks.

Phillip is a legend, you have a great coach there! Tell him I say Hi :) Have a great training session buddy!

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 12:31 PM
he was training me with a pro and taught me how to sidespin block and he said move with the bat in front of your body.I was blocking it finely and I was studying how to block the topspin just by angling the bat a bit down and he’s going to teach me how to forehand sidespin block today.

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 12:32 PM
his coaching is extremely cheap.

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 12:35 PM
he has mostly junior pros in his club and I train with them so I improve more because the juniors are very faster so my blocking training is more effective and I improve on the technique haha

Yecats Encerwal
04-11-2018, 01:08 PM
he has mostly junior pros in his club and I train with them so I improve more because the juniors are very faster so my blocking training is more effective and I improve on the technique haha

When you say "Junior Pro's", what do you mean by this? Juniors who get paid to play?!

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 01:11 PM
they’re advanced pros and they won grand prixs,British leagues,Opens in England for juniors and cadets

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 01:17 PM
Most of them are in the top 30 and higher in the country.There is barely a few juniors at my level in the club only one who I train with.When he leaves it’s all junior pros and I train with them and they do go hard on me so I improve with my blocking against pro topspin.They teach me shots etc I improve more when pros try against me because I practice against their serves for example:they do a reverse side pendulum or sidespin pendulum and I flick it or chop short.This has helped me to understand how you control serves and I’m practicing with pro serves and I’m becoming consistent with variations of spin.

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 01:21 PM
my coach he puts me with them so I improve my technique.Ofc I don’t have mature control and I miss some shots but I am really improving in keeping the ball on the table against pro topspinshots.

Suga D
04-11-2018, 01:23 PM
they’re advanced pros and they won grand prixs,British leagues,Opens in England for juniors and cadets

Looks like a pretty succesful coach to me. Can´t be so bad then...
Ever thought of that your stagnation of improvement might not be your coach´s fault?
Just a thought....

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 01:44 PM
lol No not really to be honest because I think my coach just trains with adults mostly and I barely have training time with him.When I practice with ppl who are at my level I don’t improve,not trying to judge because I’m at that level but when I train with pros they make my control better and my service return and footwork.I just improve more with them.On the other hand the ppl at my level when they topspin they just go into different places when I’m blocking and they rush everything.So that results me in my training when I try to train and improve with ppl at my level I don’t improve.With pros I improve massively if I get the opportunity for my coach to pair me up with them just for a 1 hour practice

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 01:47 PM
when I train with pros and I warm up I start to have better technique cuz they start slow then go fast.unlike ppl at my level they slap the ball and do their topspins and I’m not warm with my technique

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 01:51 PM
so that results in poor training and bad habits in my techniques.They may know how to drive good because that’s what ppl at my level know and they can’t topspin or vary decent spin on serves.Honestly the juniors at my club are my favourite training partners

Joepole
04-11-2018, 02:00 PM
You play at a good club with good players and coaching. Be mindful that everyone wants to play with better players including the better players. Maybe take 20 min of their time and use it well rather than expect an hour. When playing other players find things that you can still practise but that your partner practises too.

janovewaldnersghost
04-11-2018, 02:02 PM
hmm excelate drills?