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violoniste18
04-21-2018, 09:09 PM
I had like to know what kind of long pimple do you use to block close the table ?

I use a new one, similar to "Grass Dtech 0x"

My is "death metal", as this young french player "Ylane Batix" (among the best players in his categorie)


https://youtu.be/0eZJGQdXSIU

tropical
04-22-2018, 05:09 AM
I could be wrong but I think the kid played OX.

violoniste18
04-22-2018, 05:18 AM
Yes He plays 0x. I One could find this rubber with sponge 0,5 mm but it's better to play with 0x because the ball becomes more slowly with 0x

You guys are using grass dtech or others ? (this "death metal" is new in France)

tropical
04-22-2018, 06:42 AM
I use 388D OX which only costs me ~ $5/sheet.

Loopadoop
04-22-2018, 06:48 AM
I use Globe OX 979, < $10.

I saw a recent review of this rubber. You need to have active wrist when using, so a learning process.

brokenball
04-22-2018, 08:37 AM
I think the looper did well in the match. He did a pretty good job of rolling back the back spins. I think the looper would have done better to push balls deep to the LP players BH so the return would have top spin and then attack

I use GD Talon 0X on a Firewall Plus with H2 Neo on the FH. I have 2 identical paddles.
The spin reversal is pretty good. The balsa wood absorbs some energy from the hard loops when making passive blocks.

I disagree with the comment the 0X is slower. The sponge absorbs energy, it doesn't generate energy.

Get LP 0X for the push blocking style of game.
Get LP with a thin sponge for a more aggressive chop blocking and hitting game.
Coach Richard McAfee liked CropCircles with a sponge for a more aggressive hitting game.
I have tried CropCircles. It requires a more active game.

Another solution is to get one of the new German frictionless antis. They have great spin reversal. They are easier to play with because they don't have pips that bend inconsistently and the sponge will absorb the energy of hard hit balls better than 0X LP.

violoniste18
04-25-2018, 06:02 PM
I know this young player used to play "Dragon Talon 0x" before. His father spook about on the french forum.

The rubber is différent as others, much more smooth and so it's easier to do short blocks behind the net.

I would like to ask you about something : It seams that TT11 in estonie don't want to sell this "death metal" anymore, according to the fact that the french seller TT11 in Paris had to stop selling it ! (It seams TT11 in Estonie said it)

So I don't understand why ...

suds79
04-25-2018, 06:58 PM
Always a give & take with LPs. The more grip you get, the easier it is to attack and play aggressive with a weird style close to the table. But then you lose some reversal.

Still, I like the concept of being a pinch more in control of the amount of spin based on my strokes, if I have LP with a little grip on it, vs a high reversal just reflect back LP.

With high reversal LPs, I feel your more confined to the rules of LP play. ie - Chop block vs topspin (returning backspin), and aggressive punch vs backspin (returning topspin). IMO it became predictable. And that's never good. At least for me it wasn't. What if I wanted to push a backspin serve returning some sort of dead-ish ball? This way when the opponent serves pure backspin, they don't know exactly what style of shot/spin I'll give back necessarily. Easier to do that and vary the spin with a slightly grippier LP.

I once hit with Dawei 388D-1 in 1.5 sponge (can't find that anymore) and I was convinced that was the best hitting LP I've ever experienced. Recently ordered that rubber in 1.0 from some seller on Ali Express and the uncut sheet didn't even fully cover my penhold blade. SMH. So never again with that seller and/or rubber. IDK. Moot point now anyways as I'm not currently playing LPs.

MydasDiablo
03-08-2019, 08:27 AM
Dr Neubauer Trouble Maker is made with this game system in mind.

Check this using google translate: http://www.noppen-test.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36748&sid=b44df44710255c15cd133ab445c60fe4

Lula
03-08-2019, 08:35 AM
This Playingstyle is more difficult todayl because of the new long pimples ans balls. Not so much spin.

Loopadoop
03-08-2019, 09:00 AM
This Playingstyle is more difficult todayl because of the new long pimples ans balls. Not so much spin.

Actually LP OX pushblocker style is easier now at the amateur level. Even pro players are losing to this style. The techniques have advanced a lot.

Go to North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook for news postings and video links.

Lula
03-08-2019, 09:22 AM
Actually LP OX pushblocker style is easier now at the amateur level. Even pro players are losing to this style. The techniques have advanced a lot.

Go to North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook for news postings and video links.

I disagree. Maybe it is easier that players can not loop as hard anymore. But it is night and day today, compared to the days with the smaller ball and frictionless long pimple. I do not want to be rude, but i can not see how anyone can say anything else. With the old long pimples this style was much much better. And with the old ball they actually got some backspin.

I know some long pimple players that try anti instead and are forced to become more offensive.

But maybe if the opponent can not play as hard with ball it evens out a bit, but i do not think so.

Have you played many pushblockers when they had frictionless long pimple and the old ball and today? so you can compare? i experience a difference, and i know that they do to. Maybe it is easier today, but not as near as effective.

But that is just my opinion and some other pushblockers i know of.

Loopadoop
03-08-2019, 09:38 AM
I disagree. Maybe it is easier that players can not loop as hard anymore. But it is night and day today, compared to the days with the smaller ball and frictionless long pimple. I do not want to be rude, but i can not see how anyone can say anything else. With the old long pimples this style was much much better. And with the old ball they actually got some backspin.

I know some long pimple players that try anti instead and are forced to become more offensive.

But maybe if the opponent can not play as hard with ball it evens out a bit, but i do not think so.

Have you played many pushblockers when they had frictionless long pimple and the old ball and today? so you can compare? i experience a difference, and i know that they do to. Maybe it is easier today, but not as near as effective.

But that is just my opinion and some other pushblockers i know of.

Yes the old LP were a lot nastier, but they were a lot harder to control too, especially close to the table. Generally, the blocking today is easier than before. Close to the table pushblockers in the past weren't beating pro but today it is happening, the skill techniques and control is allowing that to happen.

Lula
03-08-2019, 10:59 AM
Yes the old LP were a lot nastier, but they were a lot harder to control too, especially close to the table. Generally, the blocking today is easier than before. Close to the table pushblockers in the past weren't beating pro but today it is happening, the skill techniques and control is allowing that to happen.

Okey. I disagree again. With the old long pimples i think alot of players just won because they had the long pimples. Could just put the racket there. So i think it was easier before. Now i think it require more skills. And i also think it was proably easier to get success at a higher level before than now. But again, just my opinions.

Loopadoop
03-08-2019, 12:18 PM
CIose to table, I agree and disagree, generally the old lp to be successful had to flip to win. Blocking was more difficult. Dead balls were harder to control.

If we ever happen to cross paths in table tennis, we should play to settle our disagreement on the table. It would be at least a fun ending to our discussion.

yogi_bear
03-08-2019, 01:23 PM
Ritc 755

Loopadoop
03-08-2019, 01:50 PM
Dawei 388d-1 Regular which is softer would be a good choice.

Colestt $10

brokenball
03-08-2019, 01:55 PM
I have two Dr Neubauer Firewall Plus paddle. I have H2 Neo on the FH and GD Talon 0X on the BH.
I didn't like Grass DTecs. 755 0X is good. 755 0X does not have the same spin reversal but it is easier to hit with 755 0X than it is with GD Talon. Coach Richard McAfee played with GD Crop Circles for a while but he played a hitting game.

A long pips player needs to know when the pips will bend. When the pips bend there is more friction. Push directly through the ball will not change the spin of the ball much. This also means that if the opponent hits a no spin ball, your return will have no spin and float. Sometimes this works. Other times the ball floats long. Side swipes and chop blocks will bend the pips and add enough spin to the ball to result in a stable flight.

Being able to move like Batix or being able to twiddle is a must. The LP player should not rely on his pips alone.

Lula
03-08-2019, 01:58 PM
I think it is okay to discuss as long as We Do it in a nice way.

Knew akerstrom somewhat good before. He and a friend is using death metal. Also know that many use dornenglanz.

NextLevel
03-08-2019, 02:45 PM
I think the looper did well in the match. He did a pretty good job of rolling back the back spins. I think the looper would have done better to push balls deep to the LP players BH so the return would have top spin and then attack

I use GD Talon 0X on a Firewall Plus with H2 Neo on the FH. I have 2 identical paddles.
The spin reversal is pretty good. The balsa wood absorbs some energy from the hard loops when making passive blocks.

I disagree with the comment the 0X is slower. The sponge absorbs energy, it doesn't generate energy.

Get LP 0X for the push blocking style of game.
Get LP with a thin sponge for a more aggressive chop blocking and hitting game.
Coach Richard McAfee liked CropCircles with a sponge for a more aggressive hitting game.
I have tried CropCircles. It requires a more active game.

Another solution is to get one of the new German frictionless antis. They have great spin reversal. They are easier to play with because they don't have pips that bend inconsistently and the sponge will absorb the energy of hard hit balls better than 0X LP.


A trampoline absorbs energy. It doesn't generate energy. Do you spring up higher when you bounce on a trampoline or when you bounce on the ground?


It is not about generating energy but about the amount of energy you store/absorb and the amount of energy you *return*.

Loopadoop
03-08-2019, 02:57 PM
Being able to move like Batix or being able to twiddle is a must. The LP player should not rely on his pips alone.

I don't flip, yes, they try to pin me on the bh side, I use all the variations available for my lp, even a control loop. I will punch a ball too high. So you don't have to flip, but if you can do it without unforced errors, then do.

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tropical
03-08-2019, 05:35 PM
LP players can only get so far. The best LP style probably is chopping long distance and attack with either BH or FH. Chop blocking doesn't get very far based on what I see current LP players' ranking. But this style is exhaustive. A lot of amateur LP players used to be inverted players but switched because they are getting slower.
Yes, OX is slower that OX with sponge. I've tried them all. I now stick with OX because not only it is cheaper I find it is easier to chop block and add variations with less errors than OX-sponge when close to table.

Again these recommendations are from amateur LP players only. I once talked to Wang Hao (ICC coach and #7 WR a while back) he is using a cheap Chinese LP no sponge similar to 388D. He has tried most LP and he thinks other expensive LP's are not necessary. But he can chop, flip, attack with LP or inverted at ease.

RidTheKid
03-08-2019, 06:03 PM
Gustaf Ericson at Ängby uses Dornenglanz for instance.


I think it is okay to discuss as long as We Do it in a nice way.

Knew akerstrom somewhat good before. He and a friend is using death metal. Also know that many use dornenglanz.

Lula
03-08-2019, 10:34 PM
Gustaf Ericson at Ängby uses Dornenglanz for instance.

It is interesting that he is playing as a chopper and not as a pushblocker in my opinion with a long pimple that almost can not create any own spin. But i would go so far at saying that him and Germanys Filus is not the regular chopper, but very offensive ones. I also find it funny that Ericsson have in my opinion a much better backhand loop than forehand loop. If you have not seen him play, look him up! Fun playingstyle.

RidTheKid
03-08-2019, 11:22 PM
Yes I've watched several matches, he's very entertaining, and his bh loop/attack is phenomenal. His match vs Filus is on YT for instance, fun stuff.


It is interesting that he is playing as a chopper and not as a pushblocker in my opinion with a long pimple that almost can not create any own spin. But i would go so far at saying that him and Germanys Filus is not the regular chopper, but very offensive ones. I also find it funny that Ericsson have in my opinion a much better backhand loop than forehand loop. If you have not seen him play, look him up! Fun playingstyle.

Loopadoop
03-09-2019, 11:31 AM
I once talked to Wang Hao (ICC coach and #7 WR a while back) he is using a cheap Chinese LP no sponge similar to 388D. He has tried most LP and he thinks other expensive LP's are not necessary. But he can chop, flip, attack with LP or inverted at ease.

I suspect some of the expensive long pips have been cloned from a cheap Chinese traditional rubber.

tropical
03-09-2019, 05:55 PM
I think you are right...

amiraL
03-09-2019, 06:58 PM
i use Globe OX