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Tian
04-29-2018, 11:09 AM
I have recently changed my grip to the reverse penhold backhand. It's a difficult transition but I definitely prefer the grip and enjoy the game more. There are absolutely no penholders in any club near me, so I was wondering if any of you guys got some general advice, tips and so on on any part of the game?
I am also a beginner table tennis player.

Thanks!

jamesmith
04-29-2018, 11:37 AM
I played Shake hand and Penhold, I can tell you some about penhold.You can also find a lot video on you tube.
Pls tell me what you want to know about Penhold. There are two styles , old and new style, new one is using back hand like shakehand attack. I have been told by Chinese coach, we should decide to use one, it is not easy to use both old style and new style during the game. Normally, Penhold forehand is the main weapon, footwork is important. Back hand blocking is fast and can put back spin one it. I enjoy playing both style but I play much better with Penhold. I like to discuss with you anytime.

Ranger-man
04-29-2018, 12:04 PM
Welcome to the forum and to penhold Tian! And I think it is great that you are trying to get out of the blocks with a focus on RPB. I play traditional backhand but I do believe that RPB is the way to go. It opens up options that are just not there with the old way. James is right that forehand is the main weapon and you will need to work on fast footwork because you will want to use that forehand whenever possible.

Your serves can be a very potent weapon with penhold because of the range of wrist movement you get.

My main bit of advice to you would be to work on your blocking. Blocking, especially on the backhand or in front of the body is another important aspect of penhold play and you will want to develop that too. It is a block, so that makes it a defensive stroke, but I feel that if used properly, with placement the block can be a potent weapon. Just watch some Waldner videos to see what I mean. I feel I get as many points from placement as I do from forehand kills.

As an extension of this we have the push block, where you engage in the pushing game with the opponent. Again, you want to be able to become so consistent with this that you start to focus on placement to gain the advantage.

This is close to one of my favorite aspects of the game, along with serves.

mky
04-29-2018, 12:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrrIDgT6TnY

Ranger-man
04-29-2018, 04:41 PM
The backhand in table tennis is a more natural motion so you will see that a lot of recreational players or amateurs have better backhands than their forehands. In fact you will see that often many of these players only use backhands for almost very return.

The dynamics of when to hit the ball are also different for backhand and forehand. In penhold the backhand is usually best when you take the ball before it hits peak height off the bounce. On the forehand it is best to take the ball at the peak of the bounce. Arm speed is always a factor so that you can make the ball dip.

Your equipment is also a factor. The blade and rubbers you are using will also have an impact on the arc of the ball once you have looped it.

We have many experienced players on this forum, including penholders and maybe some info about the equipment you use could help them in trying to guide you.

Tian
04-29-2018, 04:42 PM
I played Shake hand and Penhold, I can tell you some about penhold.You can also find a lot video on you tube.
Pls tell me what you want to know about Penhold. There are two styles , old and new style, new one is using back hand like shakehand attack. I have been told by Chinese coach, we should decide to use one, it is not easy to use both old style and new style during the game. Normally, Penhold forehand is the main weapon, footwork is important. Back hand blocking is fast and can put back spin one it. I enjoy playing both style but I play much better with Penhold. I like to discuss with you anytime.

Hi! THANKS James
I play the modern style, with the backhand similar to the shakehand attack. Sometimes I find it is potent to block with the traditional style, but only when under pressure. At this stage, strangely, my forehand struggles. I feel comfortable with the backhand attack, but for some reason when I play matches my forehand shots are too long. Something else I have been struggling with since day one is serve returns and deciding when to attack amd when to push on the backhand returns.

Tian
04-29-2018, 04:45 PM
I have seen this but haven't gotten to watching it. Probably no one better to take advice from. Thanks!

Tian
04-29-2018, 04:46 PM
The backhand in table tennis is a more natural motion so you will see that a lot of recreational players or amateurs have better backhands than their forehands. In fact you will see that often many of these players only use backhands for almost very return.

The dynamics of when to hit the ball are also different for backhand and forehand. In penhold the backhand is usually best when you take the ball before it hits peak height off the bounce. On the forehand it is best to take the ball at the peak of the bounce. Arm speed is always a factor so that you can make the ball dip.

Your equipment is also a factor. The blade and rubbers you are using will also have an impact on the arc of the ball once you have looped it.

We have many experienced players on this forum, including penholders and maybe some info about the equipment you use could help them in trying to guide you.

Makes alot of sense! I will look into that as well as continue with forehand and footwork drills. Thanks!

Andyzhao123
04-29-2018, 07:19 PM
For a beginner penhold table tennis player, I recommend getting a Chinese style forehand rubber (I use Skyline TG3), and a medium-high throw angle with medium sponge backhand rubber (I recommend 729 Focus 1).

Tian
04-29-2018, 07:23 PM
For a beginner penhold table tennis player, I recommend getting a Chinese style forehand rubber (I use Skyline TG3), and a medium-high throw angle with medium sponge backhand rubber (I recommend 729 Focus 1).

Thanks I haven't looked into specific rubbers, I appreciate it.

Ranger-man
04-29-2018, 07:38 PM
I agree about the rubbers. Not sure what my choices would be like for you so they are not recommendations but just sharing. I love the 729 Super FX and the Dawei IQUL. The latter is less tacky but still much tackier than Euro rubbers.

Andyzhao123
04-29-2018, 08:43 PM
729 is a Chinese brand, but the sponge hardness on Focus 1 is around medium, so it's good for backhand.

yoass
04-29-2018, 08:51 PM
729 is a Chinese brand, but its sponge hardness is around medium, so it's good for backhand.

The red (orange sponge) is medium hard, but the black (blue sponge) is hard.

It used to be tacky a few decades ago, but last time I tried a few slabs they weren’t. Couldn’t lift a ball with it even when new.

Andyzhao123
04-30-2018, 02:15 AM
The Focus 1 on the backhand on one of my rackets has a black topsheet and a white sponge. I got it last summer while I was in China. It's tacky, but not as much as a Hurricane. Some 729 rubbers have a blue sponge or orange sponge, like the Super FX blue sponge, but not all of them do.

Andyzhao123
04-30-2018, 02:17 AM
The red (orange sponge) is medium hard, but the black (blue sponge) is hard.

It used to be tacky a few decades ago, but last time I tried a few slabs they weren’t. Couldn’t lift a ball with it even when new.

Sorry, I wasn't specific on the rubber. I edited my post.

TrevorJamesBaird
06-13-2018, 10:04 PM
Are you left or right handed?

alas26
07-07-2018, 02:26 PM
I’m in a similar position to the OP. Subscribed.
I found that Wang Hao video to be very helpful with finger placement and the RPB stroke in general.

I too use the TBH for blocks or pushes in a pinch, but prefer to attack RPB when the time is right.

Still working on it... [emoji4]


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fcvyy
07-07-2018, 04:25 PM
My 2cents, if u r beginner at table tennis, the only way to go (for me, IMO) is AR/AR+ blade (5ply WITHOUT carbon) and some sort of soft rubbers.
If u dont have a high expirienced friend/mate/coach who can show you some basics, you have to use camera and record your practice. Otherwise you`ll stuck on the lowest lvl..

pujoki
07-07-2018, 09:16 PM
I am also the only penholder in my area that used rpb and smooth rubbers. All other penholders in my area use short pips and traditional bh. There are many strong penholders that I study on youtube: Tao Wenzhang, Bo Wen Chen, Xue Fei, Yijun Feng, Alexander Bu, Jeff Yamada are some of them. Although they are all modern penholders, they play quite differently.

There are advantages and disadvantages of playing penhold, so it is important to exploit all the advantages. You don't want to play like a shakehand player while holding penhold, because then you only have the disadvantages. Loose wrist on serves, deceptive serve returns, side spin with the rpb, forehand loop half-long balls are some of the things you want to excel at.

Gerald Finch
07-09-2018, 05:59 AM
I just goof around and do RPG sometimes and I really love doing strawberry flicks and banana flicks due to the insane amount of wrist you get. So I'd recommend looking those up and practicing them.