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StehTischtennis
04-29-2018, 08:25 PM
I'm surprised to not see any thread about this as it's an EJ's wet dream :rolleyes:

On Timo's webcoaching blog he released a video talking about his preparation for the World Team Championships:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJFUxpjAr8

In this video he talks and even shows his Tenergy rubbers, that he will glue on 4 blades, which he brought with him:

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Here he shows a Tengergy for his forehand weighing 99,6g and talks about his backhand rubber weighing around 93g or 94g.

Interestingly he talks about how he's going to be testing his 4 rackets in the match hall and then deciding with which racket he will play the tournament and that in bigger halls he prefers softer rubbers as he prefers getting a little bit of "help"/catapult effect from the rubber and that he plays harder rubbers (he brought up to 104g for his forehand) in smaller halls.

Simas
04-29-2018, 08:52 PM
I'm surprised to not see any thread about this as it's an EJ's wet dream :rolleyes:



Exactly :D

I rushed on clicking the link, but it's German and subtitles are German too.. maybe next time subtitles will be in English, cause I like such videos

Thanks :)

StehTischtennis
04-29-2018, 08:58 PM
You can use the auto translate feature of Youtube, it's pretty accurate, but I tried to write down everything what he says about his equipment in the first post.

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Simas
04-29-2018, 09:05 PM
You can use the auto translate feature of Youtube, it's pretty accurate, but I tried to write down everything what he says about his equipment in the first post.

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Yes, somehow forgot about that. Thanks again and I am going to watch it now

ILoveTT
04-30-2018, 06:03 AM
He only applied white glue.. no boost?

Chang
04-30-2018, 09:43 AM
What about that one white packaging rubber?

StehTischtennis
04-30-2018, 11:18 AM
What about that one white packaging rubber?

Yeah, nice catch.

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Maybe it's the new Tenergy Goon Squad® Edition? :eek:

Murre5
04-30-2018, 11:42 AM
His english is very good, why would he not do these type of videos in english? Would give him a much bigger audience (or both english and german).

Anyway would a heavier tenergy 05 automatically be harder?
Also is 95-100gram for tenergy 05 normal? I don't play with it but that sounds very heavy, I thought most rubbers were around 65-70grams or so.

Jimbob MacInbred
04-30-2018, 12:04 PM
Anyway would a heavier tenergy 05 automatically be harder?
Also is 95-100gram for tenergy 05 normal? I don't play with it but that sounds very heavy, I thought most rubbers were around 65-70grams or so.

1. Usually yes
2. 95 - 100 gr. in this case means incl. the package.

Vrael
04-30-2018, 12:18 PM
I saw that white packaged tenergy once in Japan, I know that "national rubber" is not a popular term...but seriously I think that is exactly what it is. It came in the same mail as a ton of "normal" tenergies (no, it is not mine), but there was only one white packaged.

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StehTischtennis
04-30-2018, 03:21 PM
New video after their first team match against Egypt:


https://youtu.be/PsbER07W5ec

At 5:56 he talks about that he will switch his forehand rubber to a rubber which is 1g lighter to get more catapult effect from the softer rubber and more "push" in the open exchanges.

Amazing stuff, switching his rubber because of such a low weight difference and here I thought I was an EJ :D

zeio
04-30-2018, 03:45 PM
What a blow to the "technique trumps" camp...

Ilia Minkin
04-30-2018, 04:13 PM
What a blow to the "technique trumps" camp...

Technique is obviously overrated.

UpSideDownCarl
04-30-2018, 04:21 PM
Yep Ma Long and Fan Zhendong would be totally mediocre without the special equipment they use that nobody else can get. [emoji2]


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ajtatosmano2
04-30-2018, 05:08 PM
Zhou Yu played very well with T05 on his FH, I think it must be a big difference even compared to a custom sponge hardness national H3. It's not they can't play well, it's just they are more comfortable with the 'perfect' equipment.

Simas
04-30-2018, 08:08 PM
Yep Ma Long and Fan Zhendong would be totally mediocre without the special equipment they use that nobody else can get. [emoji2]


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Nicely said :D

Chang
05-02-2018, 11:22 AM
When did Zhou Yu play with 05 on fh?

ajtatosmano2
05-02-2018, 01:48 PM
When did Zhou Yu play with 05 on fh?

Swedish open 2017

Chang
05-02-2018, 06:09 PM
I almost sure, he just turned his rocket

ajtatosmano2
05-02-2018, 06:39 PM
I almost sure, he just turned his rocket

I don't see why would he do that. Unfortunately I couldn't find a good resolution image about his racket, but H3 on BH doesn't make any sense, unless it's a softer sponge version designed for the BH (for example Ma Long uses - or used - orange sponge H3 on his BH). Of course, this doesn't proves anything, however Zhang Jike also used T05 on his FH side for a short period.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14675&d=1510590299

Chang
05-02-2018, 07:26 PM
If H3 on BH does not make any sense, why did he play with black H3 blue sponge on his backhand then. From matches that I have seen, it was visible that he used same rubbers as Ma Long, H3 both sides. Then, his racket was turned around, which make sense that he turned it on training and just said to himself "I like it". Why would he move his hard tacky H3 on BH and replace it with Tenergy on FH, not just take black 05. It makes IMHO less sense, then turning around racket to softer, yer still tacky rubber. From the picture I can see white creamy sponge, anyway, the quality is not good, therefore it is not 100% evidence. 16282

Jimbob MacInbred
05-02-2018, 08:41 PM
If H3 on BH does not make any sense, why did he play with black H3 blue sponge on his backhand then. From matches that I have seen, it was visible that he used same rubbers as Ma Long, H3 both sides. Then, his racket was turned around, which make sense that he turned it on training and just said to himself "I like it". Why would he move his hard tacky H3 on BH and replace it with Tenergy on FH, not just take black 05. It makes IMHO less sense, then turning around racket to softer, yer still tacky rubber. From the picture I can see white creamy sponge, anyway, the quality is not good, therefore it is not 100% evidence. 16282


Let's not hijack this thread. It is about Timo's equipment.
Still, your conclusion about Zhuo Yu using a H3 on the bh is wrong! It was briefly discussed on another thread. The picture you posted is indeed not a very good one, but there are better pictures. Zhou Yu is sponsored by Donic and uses a Zhou Yu 3 blade with either a Bluefire or Bluestorm on the bh. The blue sponge from the Bluefire/Bluestorm is brighter than the blue sponge of a H3 (not by much, but you can see the difference), which is visible in this picture...
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?17295-Zhou-Yu-Bluefire-on-backhand&p=224286#post224286

TTFrenzy
05-02-2018, 11:16 PM
Timo boll is a fluent english speaker but I guess he has his reasons, not surprised that the video didnt get the publicity it deserves since its in german. will try the auto translation though

NextLevel
05-03-2018, 12:31 AM
What a blow to the "technique trumps" camp...

Not sure how. Variation in playing strength is more influenced by technique than equipment. How does this change that?

What it really shows is that Timo and top players are human and that after close losses or when they don't like how their equipment feels, they change or like the rest of us.

NextLevel
05-03-2018, 12:42 AM
By the way he didn't even change the kind of rubber or racket. He just changed something about a rubber he is so used to that he knows what it does inside out.

StehTischtennis
05-03-2018, 03:00 PM
New video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S8CvrX2Qn4

At 1:40 he starts talking about his 101g forehand T05 with which he started the tournament and then switched to a 100g T05.

He also preparing on of his other 4 blades with another 100g forehand rubber, because his current rubber is already starting to show some signs of wear, but he will decide it on the fly if he will switch the next time he uses it.

These video are first published as unlisted on Youtube and can only be found on his blog here:
https://www.timoboll-webcoach.com/wordpress/

ajtatosmano2
05-03-2018, 03:31 PM
If H3 on BH does not make any sense, why did he play with black H3 blue sponge on his backhand then. From matches that I have seen, it was visible that he used same rubbers as Ma Long, H3 both sides. Then, his racket was turned around, which make sense that he turned it on training and just said to himself "I like it". Why would he move his hard tacky H3 on BH and replace it with Tenergy on FH, not just take black 05. It makes IMHO less sense, then turning around racket to softer, yer still tacky rubber. From the picture I can see white creamy sponge, anyway, the quality is not good, therefore it is not 100% evidence. 16282

Yeah, let's move to the thread Jimbob linked. I post my reply there.

zeio
05-03-2018, 03:36 PM
Not sure how. Variation in playing strength is more influenced by technique than equipment. How does this change that?

What it really shows is that Timo and top players are human and that after close losses or when they don't like how their equipment feels, they change or like the rest of us.

Mostly because of the reason that he switches to softer rubbers when playing in bigger halls and vice versa. I read this from amateurs all the time on Chinese forum, that the ball appears to travel faster in smaller halls.

That may have to do with auditory perception. It takes more time for the sound wave to travel in bigger halls. The air density and current is more complicated as well. The temperature is likely another factor. These are outside the realm of technique and human control but rarely gets discussed.

ajtatosmano2
05-03-2018, 04:16 PM
Mostly because of the reason that he switches to softer rubbers when playing in bigger halls and vice versa. I read this from amateurs all the time on Chinese forum, that the ball appears to travel faster in smaller halls.

That may have to do with auditory perception. It takes more time for the sound wave to travel in bigger halls. The air density and current is more complicated as well. The temperature is likely another factor. These are outside the realm of technique and human control but rarely gets discussed.

I believe the tables and lighting has more to do than hall size. Also, if the floor is slippery, then players can't loop that hard. In a bigger hall the humidity is less, compared to smaller. (hall height is the important factor, obviously) There might be tendencies when we compare big halls for competitive table tennis (good flooring, good ventilation) and smaller ones (school sports hall). And of course there is a psychological effect that when someone claims that 'bigger halls are faster' then people start to feel that 'yeah, it's really faster'. I don not deny that there are faster halls and slower halls, but it's the overall effect of many things. Also, the players playing in the hall (your muscles 'learn' if you need more power)