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chuckjordan2
05-06-2018, 11:20 AM
These were recently released to the public (Friday) and used in the past by the China Super Leagues. Bi-Color DHS D40+. They are CTTA Approved. Note, I don't see them on the ITTF approved equipment list (too bad).


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I have three comments on this:
1) Is there anything in the ITTF rules preventing these Bi-Color balls from being approved?
2) DHS D40+ has (could have) orange - what prevents them from getting them approved and selling orange balls?
3) would tournaments/leagues (ie your league not the China Super League) use them?

I bought 2 boxes as my club would like to see the spin.

In case you are interested in trying them: DHS BI-Color D40+ Balls (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32868416691.html)

you read it here first!

Chuck

Simas
05-06-2018, 02:39 PM
I am into the balls, thanks for the info. I will buy a box too. Lets see how it changes your perception of spin and influences the gameplay. Not sure if it will be well received in my club though.

Lets put some colors into the game :)

Shifu
05-06-2018, 08:22 PM
just ordered a pack, nice for training serves.

yuri.saldon
05-06-2018, 09:20 PM
Ordered two packs, thanks for sharing!

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UpSideDownCarl
05-07-2018, 12:34 AM
These were recently released to the public (Friday) and used in the past by the China Super Leagues. Bi-Color DHS D40+. They are CTTA Approved. Note, I don't see them on the ITTF approved equipment list (too bad).


16325


I have three comments on this:
1) Is there anything in the ITTF rules preventing these Bi-Color balls from being approved?
2) DHS D40+ has (could have) orange - what prevents them from getting them approved and selling orange balls?
3) would tournaments/leagues (ie your league not the China Super League) use them?

I bought 2 boxes as my club would like to see the spin.

In case you are interested in trying them: DHS BI-Color D40+ Balls (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32868416691.html)

you read it here first!

Chuck

Didn't the ones used by Super League have a think black line between colors? And weren't they a little larger than the 40+?

I thought I remembered that. But perhaps that was only the first year of the poly ball that they did that for Super League.

Are these the playing equivalent of DHS D40+ 3 star balls?

igorponger
05-07-2018, 01:40 PM
Please take note about this optical phenomenA.

Newton Disc
http://www.primaryscience.ie/media/pdfs/col/rainbow_spinners_v2.pdf

Persistance of Vision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision

Be happy.

Silver smasher
05-07-2018, 01:59 PM
Bi coloured balls could be great for televised events. Non players could see the spin put on by top players and the skill required to return these shots. This could improve the number of people watching tt on tv and improve its reputation as a sport. Imagine watching a slow motion HD shot of a quality serve beaten by a superb return and being able to discuss how the spin was overcome, or added to, by the receiver.

UpSideDownCarl
05-08-2018, 11:53 AM
Bi coloured balls could be great for televised events. Non players could see the spin put on by top players and the skill required to return these shots. This could improve the number of people watching tt on tv and improve its reputation as a sport. Imagine watching a slow motion HD shot of a quality serve beaten by a superb return and being able to discuss how the spin was overcome, or added to, by the receiver.

You might have missed the significance of igorponger's post. But I doubt you can see too much while you are playing. You definitely cannot see that stuff in the audience or on TV.

You would probably be able to see no spin quite easily as a player. But still, an audience viewer or a video viewer would not be able to see even that unless they were very close.

ajtatosmano2
05-08-2018, 01:16 PM
You might have missed the significance of igorponger's post. But I doubt you can see too much while you are playing. You definitely cannot see that stuff in the audience or on TV.

You would probably be able to see no spin quite easily as a player.

I made a half-red/half-white ball at home and yes, it's much easier to spot no spin serves (though with good lighting I don't have a problem with no-spin serves).

Simas
05-08-2018, 01:57 PM
just ordered a pack, nice for training serves.

Yes, that's what came to my mind first :)



Bi coloured balls could be great for televised events. Non players could see the spin put on by top players and the skill required to return these shots. This could improve the number of people watching tt on tv and improve its reputation as a sport. Imagine watching a slow motion HD shot of a quality serve beaten by a superb return and being able to discuss how the spin was overcome, or added to, by the receiver.

Yes, it would be super cool and it make the sport more interesting to watch. And some commentators would have more material to comment: spin, no spin, topspin, sidespin, backspin, spin reversal, long pips, short pips... cause now ... :) Although I doubt that this could be achieved with a regular camera. Maybe some super extra turbo one... one day


You might have missed the significance of igorponger's post. But I doubt you can see too much while you are playing. You definitely cannot see that stuff in the audience or on TV.

You would probably be able to see no spin quite easily as a player. But still, an audience viewer or a video viewer would not be able to see even that unless they were very close.

I think you wouldn't be able to see the ball spinning on power loops and smashes, but I think on some slower shots, serves that should be possible, not only on no spin flat balls. If it wasn't, DHS probably wouldn't be making such balls. Anyway, we will find out soon :) !

Shifu
05-08-2018, 02:03 PM
Damn TTNPP has them for 3.50 now :D

StehTischtennis
05-08-2018, 03:04 PM
Damn TTNPP has them for 3.50 now :D

but they get you with the $4.10 shipping costs :rolleyes:

Shifu
05-08-2018, 06:32 PM
Which is less than a parcel within Germany with DHL :D but yeah, I could just order more. They are super cheap.

UpSideDownCarl
05-09-2018, 02:47 AM
I made a half-red/half-white ball at home and yes, it's much easier to spot no spin serves (though with good lighting I don't have a problem with no-spin serves).

And with a bigger color contrast, a bright red, and a white, you might see that easier than this orange/white.

But I know, when I watched Super League with the Orange/White ball that had the black line, I absolutely could not see the details of the ball. When the ball was in flight, watching from video and live feed, I could not even tell that it was a two tone ball. When it was still, you could.

Still, a poly ball that isn't simply white would be great.

And you guys who buy them should report and tell me that I am wrong and you can see spin easier as a result of these. I would be happy to be wrong. I just know it won't show up for the viewing audience. And if it does help you see some aspect of the spin, it will be that you will see when there is A LOT of spin, or not as much.

But a thick, solid, black line, that would help you see spin. Two, crossing each other would work even better.

igorponger
05-09-2018, 08:41 AM
CHILDREN SHOULD LIKE THOSE BALLS ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfv8buQBIwQ

Yes, you can see ball's rotation pretty clearly while watching TV slow replays.
And you will see no rotation in actual play with a naked eye.

However, the multi-coloured balls is a useful aid for teaching young players how to read opponent's service.

Be happy.

thomas.pong
05-10-2018, 10:35 AM
Great news! Just ordered 2 packs. Thanks for sharing

suds79
05-10-2018, 12:36 PM
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suds79
05-10-2018, 12:43 PM
But I know, when I watched Super League with the Orange/White ball that had the black line, I absolutely could not see the details of the ball.

Agreed. It's in those slow mo replays for TV where this type of thing would pay off.

I also think this would be much more welcomed change to new people coming to the game who get frustrated by an inability to return a quality player's serve. Sure those people would still struggle vs good servers, but I think it would certainly aid them somewhat if this ever became the norm.

Just ordered mine. If nothing else, now I don't have to do this anymore. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyYj-eJuu98

For the record I don't use those gambler balls anymore. They were fine. But the DHS D40+ is simply the best ball out there for the $.

I know this is probably a pipe-dream but I am all in on the idea of the ITTF doing away completely with their silly no-hiding service rule and simply adopting a two-toned ball like this as part of the norm. I think that's a somewhat fair tradeoff and we would no longer see threads/comments "so & so is hiding their serve" when they may or may not be. :)

Simas
05-10-2018, 10:06 PM
bought a box of 20, will use for my serve practice :)

passifid
05-14-2018, 12:48 PM
Wonder when we can expect reviews

Simas
05-15-2018, 01:50 PM
Wonder when we can expect reviews

Won't be a lot to review, but as soon as I will get them shipped from China (it takes about a month from Aliexpress) I'll write a couple of words are they helpful or not really.. :)

chuckjordan2
05-19-2018, 10:29 PM
mine arrived today, after, my TT training session.....

First visual/touch impression: nice finished surface (even, smooth (not shiny), much nicer than nittaku 40+. The DHS D40+ regular all white has a lightly rough surface. The BiColor DHS D40+ are so nice, I almost don't want to hit with them....

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The bicolor is in the middle (left is nittaku 40+, right is DHS D40+ regular)

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I performed a bounce test of the 3, all are the same.

suds79
05-29-2018, 06:12 PM
Got my set in. Had a light hit with them at club on Sunday.

Our club uses the DHS D40+ ball as our official club ball. Most people commented on the color as it's weird getting used to seeing orange again. Funny because back in the day, that's what everybody loved. Just goes to show people just prefer what they're use to.

I didn't hit with them extensively enough to give a full review. Only played 2 1/2 hours and sometimes it was with our normal ball. Sometimes it was with these two-toned ones. The good news that I can report is that as far as I can tell, they didn't play any different from the DHS D40+ ball which is about as high of a compliment as I can give.

Pretty pleased with them on first impressions then. Even played a 1v1 match with someone sometimes using our regular club ball and these. Neither one of us cared which ball it was. Didn't seem to effect play.

Honestly outside of the color, I couldn't tell a difference in the balls in how they felt or played.

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yuri.saldon
05-29-2018, 06:33 PM
That is a great news!
Got my set in. Had a light hit with them at club on Sunday.

Our club uses the DHS D40+ ball as our official club ball. Most people commented on the color as it's weird getting used to seeing orange again. Funny because back in the day, that's what everybody loved. Just goes to show people just prefer what they're use to.

I didn't hit with them extensively enough to give a full review. Only played 2 1/2 hours and sometimes it was with our normal ball. Sometimes it was with these two-toned ones. The good news that I can report is that as far as I can tell, they didn't play any different from the DHS D40+ ball which is about as high of a compliment as I can give.

Pretty pleased with them on first impressions then. Even played a 1v1 match with someone sometimes using our regular club ball and these. Neither one of us cared which ball it was. Didn't seem to effect play.

Honestly outside of the color, I couldn't tell a difference in the balls in how they felt or played.

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chuckjordan2
05-31-2018, 12:08 AM
What is really cool about these bi-colored balls is topspins where the half orange is on one side and half white the other side. We just wanted to hit, and hit, and hit.

I was mesmerized by watching the ball when the colors separated (meaning orange one side, white other side). Really cool.

The ball feels slightly harder than the regular D40+ and yet still plays the same.

Shifu
05-31-2018, 08:09 AM
I like the ball for practicing. What I found out was that it is a lot smoother that the other D40+ I got. It’s basically as smooth as a celluloid ball :o

whocarez
06-04-2018, 01:42 PM
50% orange - that's a huge step towards a full orange ball! An impressive progression, waiting eagerly for the 75% orange ball. Once it is at 99%, the last step is only a few years away (ITTF-approval)

Suga D
06-12-2018, 01:28 PM
Didn't the ones used by Super League have a think black line between colors? And weren't they a little larger than the 40+?

I thought I remembered that. But perhaps that was only the first year of the poly ball that they did that for Super League.

Are these the playing equivalent of DHS D40+ 3 star balls?

Do you mean like these here?
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UpSideDownCarl
06-12-2018, 02:37 PM
Do you mean like these here?
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That looks like what I was talking about. :)

Loopadoop
06-13-2018, 01:44 AM
We have played 2 sessions with this CTTA approved DHS 40+ ball. We can't tell any difference with this than the DHS *** D40+ . Bought at Aliexpress for $.79 each for a box of 10, free shipping.

You can't really see the spin on the ball, except very slow balls, we had an observer watching, ball game speed is too fast.

Simas
06-14-2018, 04:02 PM
So, finally went to post office to pick mine and had one playing session. So my thoughts:

-as everyone mentioned, the quality is good, was really surprised at how "seamless" the seam is
-they are useless if you want their help reading the spin while playing. The spin and speed from regular topspins are just too fast for the eye to pick the speed of rotation. All you can see is less saturated than a regular one orange ball.
-I didn't find them useful also returning my opponents serve. First of all, you watch the opponent's racket movement and then automatically prepare to receive. So there is no time to stare at the ball (at least for me). Also if it's a fast serve you couldn't see anything anyways
-didn't have a service practice, maybe they would excel here. because when have a service practice you don't have to prepare for a third ball attack, you know the type of spin you are imparting, so no need to stare, but still should see the speed of spin and adjust your stroke and contact point to impart the maximum one. Especially if someone is learning a new serve...

suds79
06-14-2018, 04:57 PM
We have played 2 sessions with this CTTA approved DHS 40+ ball. We can't tell any difference with this than the DHS *** D40+ . Bought at Aliexpress for $.79 each for a box of 10, free shipping.

You can't really see the spin on the ball, except very slow balls, we had an observer watching, ball game speed is too fast.

100% agree and that's my impressions also. It feels just like the normal DHS D40+ ball which is fantastic.

That being said, some older guys, playing pool will often watch my co-worker and I hit when we go over lunch and they said "boy you can see that new ball a lot better". So from an outsider's prospective, I guess it's simply easier to pick up. They definitely liked it more.