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DragonOwen
08-14-2018, 10:47 AM
So anyone using it? What is your opinion about it?

Using it in black 2.0 version on my backhand for about a month... so far, I like it, before I was using Tenergy 05 max on my backhand, and it's still my favorite for Apolonia blade, but the price is killing me, so sometimes I tried something cheaper in a hope it can replace 05 for me to a tolerable level... and OMEGA VII Asia is the best "05 replace" for me so far, actually I like it so much that already ordered red max OMEGA VII Asia for my forehand (why max? because tried to play 2.0 on my forehand and it had very good control, but not enough power compared to Rasanter R50 which I use on my forehand, so decided to try max version).

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.

yoass
08-14-2018, 02:22 PM
Is Omega VII Asia actually that much cheaper? Web shops over here offer it for €57,90. That money will just about get you a slab of Tenergy as well.

DragonOwen
08-14-2018, 02:44 PM
Is Omega VII Asia actually that much cheaper? Web shops over here offer it for €57,90. That money will just about get you a slab of Tenergy as well.
It depends... In my case, yes, it's about 15$ cheaper, because It's possible to buy XIOM with a discount from tabletennis11 (cost me about 44$ through group order with a few friends, to make max discount) for example, but no discounts for Butterfly, it's not actually possible to buy Butterfly from them directly at all for me, because of strict diler politics of Butterfly, so the cost for Tenergy for me is about 60$ at the lowest...

AndySmith
08-14-2018, 02:57 PM
You can still get reasonable discounts on ESN rubbers if you dig deep enough. I've got a sheet of O7A on the way at the moment (£32), hoping to get it glued before a session this week. Haven't picked up a bat for quite a while.

Much harder to get any discounts on Butterfly still. Official vendor here is £57. Big difference, despite Xiom's attempt to push for a high retail on the O7 line.

langel
08-14-2018, 05:04 PM
I'm still waiting it to come to here in this price:

http://tennisdiscount.eu/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_10&products_id=1114

And yes - there is a great difference between 35 euro and 56 euro - 21 a sheet, 42 a pair.
But frankly said, I prefer Omega Asia not only because of the prise.

DragonOwen
08-16-2018, 06:54 AM
Now playing OMEGA VII Asia [2.0] on both sides... wanted max on FH, but seller mixed up and I didn't want to wait again for a few weeks for him to change it, so decided to just take 2.0 rubber... and actually, it might be for the better, done one training with reassembled racket and actually the thing with not enough power on FH with 2.0 version of rubber is not that much of a problem, at least at close and middle distance from the table, but control is great, so will try to play with this assembly of a racket for a couple of weeks and then will decide to change 2.0 version of OMEGA VII Asia (return to Rasanter R50 or buy max version of OMEGA VII Asia) on my FH or I'm fine with it...

yogi_bear
08-16-2018, 09:17 AM
I say keep it. O7Asia has everything you would want for a Tenergy alternative.

yoass
08-16-2018, 10:18 AM
I say keep it. O7Asia has everything you would want for a Tenergy alternative.

Including reliability over time, durability?

AmiciSumus
08-16-2018, 11:39 AM
I am still waiting for the Tour version ;-)

yogi_bear
08-16-2018, 02:30 PM
Including reliability over time, durability?
Almost 2 month seem.to be playing good

AndySmith
08-17-2018, 04:53 PM
I had a session last night with O7A (Black, Max) on my usual blade with the intent of replacing R47 on my FH side. My first impression is that it's a great rubber. I'm a fan of O7P (and I'm surprised that so many people don't seem to like it), but O7A sorts out the one issue I had with O7P which was a drop in arc/spin on harder strokes (same kind of thing I found with EL-S as well).

It seems to be pretty different to O5A though. I can still get more spin out of O5A via a thin brush, but O5A is more sensitive to incoming spin and can be a bit of a handful.

To me, O7A feels very close to a harder-sponged O7P, as opposed to a continuation of O5A. If you don't like O7P then O7A probably won't change your mind, but I really took a shine to it last night and it was obvious that I was getting more spin out of it on harder FH strokes in comparison to the O7P and R47 I had on my backup blade, while not having much to adapt to in the short game, so it feels like a win-win right now. A few more sessions to go before the new season starts here so still some time to commit to it.

vvk1
08-17-2018, 05:25 PM
I had a session last night with O7A (Black, Max) on my usual blade with the intent of replacing R47 on my FH side. My first impression is that it's a great rubber. I'm a fan of O7P (and I'm surprised that so many people don't seem to like it), but O7A sorts out the one issue I had with O7P which was a drop in arc/spin on harder strokes (same kind of thing I found with EL-S as well).

It seems to be pretty different to O5A though. I can still get more spin out of O5A via a thin brush, but O5A is more sensitive to incoming spin and can be a bit of a handful.

To me, O7A feels very close to a harder-sponged O7P, as opposed to a continuation of O5A. If you don't like O7P then O7A probably won't change your mind, but I really took a shine to it last night and it was obvious that I was getting more spin out of it on harder FH strokes in comparison to the O7P and R47 I had on my backup blade, while not having much to adapt to in the short game, so it feels like a win-win right now. A few more sessions to go before the new season starts here so still some time to commit to it.

So, how does it compare to Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48? Your mytt review was rather glowing, thought your made your choice.

AndySmith
08-17-2018, 06:09 PM
So, how does it compare to Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48? Your mytt review was rather glowing, thought your made your choice.

I had two really bad sessions with the Nexxus. It was back during the crazy heatwave we had so could have been down to humidity, or me being on the verge of passing out or whatever, but I just couldn't hit a barn door with it. It put me off a bit!

Nexxus has an amazing loop arc - it really stands out from the other recent ESN releases I've tried - but it seems a bit too demanding for my skill level. I'll have to give it another go, but I can't argue with how much easier to use I find R47, Hype KR and Omega 7.

vvk1
08-17-2018, 06:12 PM
I had two really bad sessions with the Nexxus. It was back during the crazy heatwave we had so could have been down to humidity, or me being on the verge of passing out or whatever, but I just couldn't hit a barn door with it. It put me off a bit!

Nexxus has an amazing loop arc - it really stands out from the other recent ESN releases I've tried - but it seems a bit too demanding for my skill level. I'll have to give it another go, but I can't argue with how much easier to use I find R47, Hype KR and Omega 7.

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for clarifying.

DragonOwen
08-19-2018, 05:45 PM
I say keep it. O7Asia has everything you would want for a Tenergy alternative.
So far, so good, so probably would do just that... Maybe just a coincedence, but at a local weekly amateur tournament yesterday I took 2-nd place, even got a bit of prize money (about $15, if exclude admission fee of about $7, I still got about $8 ;) ), I regularly play on this tournament for a few years and at best I was 3-rd and it was when I still played pimples, which at a level of this tournament is a bit of cheat... so, again, maybe just a coincedence, but showed most of my best performances yesterday of the tournaments I played with two inverted rubbers, and maybe O7A contributed something in this success :D

danisius
08-22-2018, 10:57 AM
I`m O5 Asia user 2 mm on FH for almost two years and wonder how O7A is compared to it.
Could someone compare both of them

langel
08-22-2018, 11:30 AM
I`m O5 Asia user 2 mm on FH for almost two years and wonder how O7A is compared to it.
Could someone compare both of them

I finally odered O7A and next week will put them on one of mine Vega Tour blades, the other will stay with O5A for now, so I'll make a direct comparison. The old set of O5A I'll put on the Rosi Emotion blade to cmpare it too. Wiil post my personal feeling.

yogi_bear
08-22-2018, 12:27 PM
I`m O5 Asia user 2 mm on FH for almost two years and wonder how O7A is compared to it.
Could someone compare both of them

Asia is harder at about 52.5 degrees i think. Closer to tenergy 05fx

DragonOwen
08-22-2018, 12:37 PM
Closer to tenergy 05fx
:eek: Maybe a mistake? FX is muuuuch softer than O7A, so much, they almost not comparable... IMHO... IMO O7A is harder than Tenergy 05...

langel
08-31-2018, 09:05 AM
I already had my first session with Rossi Emotion + Omega V Asia, but will write about it later, because I have some mixed feelings, need to get more experience.
Today I will have my first session with Xiom Vega Tour + Omega 7 Asia and compare it directly to Xiom Vega Tour + O5Asia.
Impressions will come next week, to be more precise.

DragonOwen
09-05-2018, 08:27 AM
Left a short review on O7A rubber page at equipment section: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/equipment/rubbers/18588-omega-vii-asia

langel
09-05-2018, 11:25 AM
Left a short review on O7A rubber page at equipment section: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/equipment/rubbers/18588-omega-vii-asia

I think that if I had never played with Xiom Omega rubbers I would have the same feeling as in this review.
While I have a long experience with Omega 5 Asia and O5Tour, I"ll compare the new O7Asia to them.

Many things will fit with the review of yogi_bear, some may not, but you have to understand that Any review is a matter of personal feeling and evaluation.
The sponge of O7A is rated harder than the sponge of O5A, but because of the specifics of the rubber sheet it doesn't feel harder with finger pressing. O7A is lighter and my second Vega Tour blade paired with it is 4 gr lighter. As both my Vega Tour blades are 84 gr this reduction of weght is very sensible. During my first session I had very mixed feelings, but I know that these tensors need some 4-5 hours of just "hitting" before they get able to reveal their real character. So on the third session I started tpp feel O7A almost the same as O5A in AR over and near the table. The touch with it is with the same accuracy, but I miss a little the hinoki feel which is better with O5A. I didn't have to adjust anything in angle and power in this AR play. O7A has more spin than O5A and it is visible from the start with the first service. Till now I've played with O7A only with my son, he makes a lot of spin, but I didn't have the feeling that O7A is more sensible to incoming spin, I haven't thought about that at all, may be I'm just too familiar with his spin, have to check this with other players later.
At mid distance O7A starts to feel more different than O5A. With stronger hits it has more power. My deaper shots and those to the corners started to go out, so I had to adjust drive and angle, and in longer distance - the total swing. The O7A changes the arc of the trajectory faster and more unlinear than O5A with the inrease of power. The trajectory is going flatter, similar to O5Tour. Still the change of ball acceleration feels linear as with O5A. Stronger strokes with sharp topspin go with very flat trajectory, like they have no spin at all, but when the ball nocks the table, it sinks down with an acceleration, making it impossible to block and almost impossible to counter. Chopping is easy and a little bit higher than with O5A, but lower than with O5Tour. Sharper faster slices are easier too. Returning chopped balls is a little bit different than with O5A - over the table its almost the same as, slow balls close to table can be lifted the same way too, but lifting faster balls and attacking balls need adjustment - you need faster and longer vertical lift over the foreward move when lifting, and when attacking you have to take the ball earlier and to adjust the angle and/or the wing depending on distance and power. I don't think that its because of a more incomming spin sensibility, but because of the trajetory change with more power.
So up to now I think that O7A is a real upgrade to O5A. Its a little bit faster, has a little bit more spin, keeps the good feel and touch in AR and has some of the best characteristics of O5Tour. Once you get familiar with, it can be a dangerous weapon.

yogi_bear
09-05-2018, 12:14 PM
The O7A is better with mediu. Hard blades and people should as much as possible not use very stiff and hard blades on it. It goes well with alc blades.

langel
09-05-2018, 12:43 PM
Yes, exactly. Xiom Vega Tour is not hard and has a very good mellow hinoki feel, its stiffer than middle-flexy, but is not stiff too. Amongst all blades I've used I feel it as the best for me to use with O5A. I like it very much with O7A with the only remark that O7A gives me less of the hinoki feel with softer touches.

zbys
04-29-2019, 04:43 PM
Yes, exactly. Xiom Vega Tour is not hard and has a very good mellow hinoki feel, its stiffer than middle-flexy, but is not stiff too. Amongst all blades I've used I feel it as the best for me to use with O5A. I like it very much with O7A with the only remark that O7A gives me less of the hinoki feel with softer touches. Xiom07asia l am using this now for a ------long while since l bought 4 sets [8 rubbers from a trade stand test used one hr only very cheaply ] l used 05asia before that for a few months and tenergy 05 before that it was hard to ajust from tenergy 05 very bouncy spring sponge and very high arc ....can get the ball to go medium pace with short swing but found less confidence going all out on swings,, with 07 asia one has to swing fast lower arc hard sponge gives confidence faster ball is better more control on push esp fast push and serves l am adjusting and loving 07A compared to 05 Asia its a far harder sponge on 07A pushes and blocks are better lower arc but much faster does also have more spin [don't know how that works with the lower arc and more spin ? ] its harder for opponents to block ...so my risky buy paid off so far !!!

Kolev
06-09-2019, 01:11 PM
Have anyone tried boosting the O7A?

TheKhan123
07-04-2019, 07:21 AM
is it a tacky rubber? because asia is most probably gonna mean tacky style. so, how would you compare the tackiness to hurricane rubbers?

yogi_bear
07-04-2019, 08:03 AM
Not tacky as in Chinese rubber tacky but it is very grippy.

Astorix
07-04-2019, 06:58 PM
Is Omega VII Asia actually that much cheaper? Web shops over here offer it for €57,90. That money will just about get you a slab of Tenergy as well.


https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=VIIASIA

chenqi89
07-04-2019, 07:02 PM
omega pro

yogi_bear
07-05-2019, 06:39 AM
omega pro

Omega pro what??

amoc
03-15-2020, 02:43 PM
Nexxus has an amazing loop arc - it really stands out from the other recent ESN releases I've tried - but it seems a bit too demanding for my skill level. I'll have to give it another go, but I can't argue with how much easier to use I find R47, Hype KR and Omega 7.

Hi Andy, can you please compare the O7A and the KR? I‘m looking for a slightly harder and slightly more biting but with nearly the same easyness in use.

Konrad Bak
03-15-2020, 04:17 PM
Omega 7 ASIA is maybe two times better than KR in everything

amoc
03-15-2020, 05:05 PM
Omega 7 ASIA is maybe two times better than KR in everything
Are you sponsored by Xiom ? :-) :-) :-)

Konrad Bak
03-15-2020, 06:45 PM
no, im not big fan of xiom sorry

amoc
03-15-2020, 08:24 PM
no, im not big fan of xiom sorry

and yet you think 07A is so much better than KR? Can you say a little bit more about that?

Kolev
03-15-2020, 10:46 PM
I don't know about KR but OVII Asia is a big disappointment. Very difficult to generate spin with. It just doesn't shine with anything....I know what most people will say, I also thought it was me but after I gave it to two pros(ex 5th and ex 14th in Belgium) to try it I know it isn't just me

yogi_bear
03-15-2020, 11:38 PM
I don't know about KR but OVII Asia is a big disappointment. Very difficult to generate spin with. It just doesn't shine with anything....I know what most people will say, I also thought it was me but after I gave it to two pros(ex 5th and ex 14th in Belgium) to try it I know it isn't just me

That is opposite on what have been observed here. I gave it to a young college level. Player and a lot of people wpuld complain that it is very spinny if you are in the receiving end.

Kolev
03-16-2020, 11:41 AM
Yogi, what do you mean by being spinny on the receiving end? Spin sensitive or...?

Kolev
03-16-2020, 11:47 AM
BTW the pro players were generating lot of spin of course, but they were not happy about the general feeling and ease of that rubber. It that regard they definitely liked more the O7P which was on the other side. Nothing to do with the hardnest

yogi_bear
03-16-2020, 01:17 PM
What i mean is when you are blocking against the o7a that you will feel the spin.

langel
03-16-2020, 08:33 PM
BTW the pro players were generating lot of spin of course, but they were not happy about the general feeling and ease of that rubber. It that regard they definitely liked more the O7P which was on the other side. Nothing to do with the hardnest

Then your club pros just suck, sorry :confused:

Kolev
03-17-2020, 12:40 AM
Oh boy. You are so right. They really suck but I guess we all know those old fashioned players who know nothing but T05

yogi_bear
03-17-2020, 01:01 AM
Oh boy. You are so right. They really suck but I guess we all know those old fashioned players who know nothing but T05

I would understand why they like the Pro version more because the Asia version requires you to brush the ball more while the Pro version even when just hitting through the sponge is easier to produce spin.

Kolev
03-17-2020, 01:18 AM
I guess you are right but who am I to discuss the technic of some of the most respected Belgian players(ex A5 and ex A15) I am blessed to have the chance to exchange some balls with them

yogi_bear
03-17-2020, 01:20 AM
Oh boy. You are so right. They really suck but I guess we all know those old fashioned players who know nothing but T05


I guess you are right but who am I to discuss the technic of some of the most respected Belgian players(ex A5 and ex A15) I am blessed to have the chance to exchange some balls with them
It is just an observation i have made to the type of players who like and do not like the 07A. Even Xiom says the Pro version sells more than the Asia.

yogi_bear
03-17-2020, 01:21 AM
Also, Hugo uses the Pro version himself.

Kolev
03-17-2020, 01:28 AM
Wow. I didn't know Hugo uses the Pro. I had troubles with it on my FH but it is one of the best ones I had on my BH. BTW, I quickly forgot about VIIA after trying the Rhyzer 50

yogi_bear
03-17-2020, 01:41 AM
I use the O7A as a bh rubber and find it more spinny than Rhyzer 50 or Pro but it is more of a preference and also has something to do with contact and stroke. If you have a stroke that you use like when using a chinese rubber, Asia fits more.

langel
03-17-2020, 07:47 AM
I use the O7A as a bh rubber and find it more spinny than Rhyzer 50 or Pro but it is more of a preference and also has something to do with contact and stroke. If you have a stroke that you use like when using a chinese rubber, Asia fits more.


Yes, thats true.
Asia fits chinese style in some degree. O5Asia with its harder topsheet is more chinese style oriented, thats why sometimes I recommend it to players who want to transfer from tenergy or other tensors to chinese rubbers.
O7Asia benefits the chynese style in a less degree and its more euro than O5Asia.

And of course its always about personal preferences.
For me Asia gives much better spin in the aggressive play than the Pro version, at the same time it gives me better feeling with more dangerous trajectory and spin with softer touch too. I don't like the more expressed catapult pop-up of the Pro version with softer touches and although it should be able of easyer spin in softer play, my style can not utilize it. So Asia suits my preferences.

The good thing is that there is enough choise of rubbers for everyone.

DragonOwen
03-17-2020, 08:16 AM
I stopped using O7A when I saw how a friend of mine (playing much better than me) plays with these rubbers... He even has a completely different sound from when he hitting the ball than me, BUT he has much better and more use of the wrist than me, very sharply and on time, while the ball flies out of it and is's fast and with a decent rotation, without any special effort for it... I can’t use my wrist like him, so just stopped using O7A, it's too high level for me...

BTW he has youtube channel, and he maked a review of O7A there (mainly he compare it to O5A, which he used before), but it's in russian, still someone might find something interesting in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Xxxc5Hnbc

Afer 2 months of play (he only talking here, no playing!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnlRGUEAhfo

langel
03-17-2020, 10:10 AM
Most of the things Sergey say about both O5A and O7A match with my experience and and I've mentioned these things in many threads here.
Of course there are few things I feel differently - for example for me O7A is faster than 05A with top spin and slower with back spin. Which means that I'm able to generate more spin with O7A.

Justin_zy
09-23-2020, 08:19 AM
I use the O7A as a bh rubber and find it more spinny than Rhyzer 50 or Pro but it is more of a preference and also has something to do with contact and stroke. If you have a stroke that you use like when using a chinese rubber, Asia fits more.

Hi Yogi,

Possible to share some exp between O7A and O7China (Guang)? Im using ZJK ALC blade. I have tried OC9, really like it, but find it a little too pricy.

THank you

yogi_bear
09-24-2020, 04:20 AM
Hi Yogi,

Possible to share some exp between O7A and O7China (Guang)? Im using ZJK ALC blade. I have tried OC9, really like it, but find it a little too pricy.

THank you

Quite different rubbers as the O7A is not a tcky rubber like O7CG. The hardness is a big difference too since Guang is 55. I still use the O7A as a bh rubber til now and have settled with it because I just love the rubber. The Guang is better for the fh but a bit more sensitive to spin than O7A.

naokster
10-16-2020, 10:57 PM
How much does the O7A weigh?

yogi_bear
10-17-2020, 12:22 AM
How much does the O7A weigh?

Around 72 grms uncut if i remember it right.

naokster
10-17-2020, 02:42 AM
Around 72 grms uncut if i remember it right.

Do you know the cut weight?

langel
10-17-2020, 06:40 AM
Do you know the cut weight?


48 gr. average