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DragonOwen
08-14-2018, 10:47 AM
So anyone using it? What is your opinion about it?

Using it in black 2.0 version on my backhand for about a month... so far, I like it, before I was using Tenergy 05 max on my backhand, and it's still my favorite for Apolonia blade, but the price is killing me, so sometimes I tried something cheaper in a hope it can replace 05 for me to a tolerable level... and OMEGA VII Asia is the best "05 replace" for me so far, actually I like it so much that already ordered red max OMEGA VII Asia for my forehand (why max? because tried to play 2.0 on my forehand and it had very good control, but not enough power compared to Rasanter R50 which I use on my forehand, so decided to try max version).

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.

yoass
08-14-2018, 02:22 PM
Is Omega VII Asia actually that much cheaper? Web shops over here offer it for €57,90. That money will just about get you a slab of Tenergy as well.

DragonOwen
08-14-2018, 02:44 PM
Is Omega VII Asia actually that much cheaper? Web shops over here offer it for €57,90. That money will just about get you a slab of Tenergy as well.
It depends... In my case, yes, it's about 15$ cheaper, because It's possible to buy XIOM with a discount from tabletennis11 (cost me about 44$ through group order with a few friends, to make max discount) for example, but no discounts for Butterfly, it's not actually possible to buy Butterfly from them directly at all for me, because of strict diler politics of Butterfly, so the cost for Tenergy for me is about 60$ at the lowest...

AndySmith
08-14-2018, 02:57 PM
You can still get reasonable discounts on ESN rubbers if you dig deep enough. I've got a sheet of O7A on the way at the moment (£32), hoping to get it glued before a session this week. Haven't picked up a bat for quite a while.

Much harder to get any discounts on Butterfly still. Official vendor here is £57. Big difference, despite Xiom's attempt to push for a high retail on the O7 line.

langel
08-14-2018, 05:04 PM
I'm still waiting it to come to here in this price:

http://tennisdiscount.eu/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_10&products_id=1114

And yes - there is a great difference between 35 euro and 56 euro - 21 a sheet, 42 a pair.
But frankly said, I prefer Omega Asia not only because of the prise.

DragonOwen
08-16-2018, 06:54 AM
Now playing OMEGA VII Asia [2.0] on both sides... wanted max on FH, but seller mixed up and I didn't want to wait again for a few weeks for him to change it, so decided to just take 2.0 rubber... and actually, it might be for the better, done one training with reassembled racket and actually the thing with not enough power on FH with 2.0 version of rubber is not that much of a problem, at least at close and middle distance from the table, but control is great, so will try to play with this assembly of a racket for a couple of weeks and then will decide to change 2.0 version of OMEGA VII Asia (return to Rasanter R50 or buy max version of OMEGA VII Asia) on my FH or I'm fine with it...

yogi_bear
08-16-2018, 09:17 AM
I say keep it. O7Asia has everything you would want for a Tenergy alternative.

yoass
08-16-2018, 10:18 AM
I say keep it. O7Asia has everything you would want for a Tenergy alternative.

Including reliability over time, durability?

AmiciSumus
08-16-2018, 11:39 AM
I am still waiting for the Tour version ;-)

yogi_bear
08-16-2018, 02:30 PM
Including reliability over time, durability?
Almost 2 month seem.to be playing good

AndySmith
08-17-2018, 04:53 PM
I had a session last night with O7A (Black, Max) on my usual blade with the intent of replacing R47 on my FH side. My first impression is that it's a great rubber. I'm a fan of O7P (and I'm surprised that so many people don't seem to like it), but O7A sorts out the one issue I had with O7P which was a drop in arc/spin on harder strokes (same kind of thing I found with EL-S as well).

It seems to be pretty different to O5A though. I can still get more spin out of O5A via a thin brush, but O5A is more sensitive to incoming spin and can be a bit of a handful.

To me, O7A feels very close to a harder-sponged O7P, as opposed to a continuation of O5A. If you don't like O7P then O7A probably won't change your mind, but I really took a shine to it last night and it was obvious that I was getting more spin out of it on harder FH strokes in comparison to the O7P and R47 I had on my backup blade, while not having much to adapt to in the short game, so it feels like a win-win right now. A few more sessions to go before the new season starts here so still some time to commit to it.

vvk1
08-17-2018, 05:25 PM
I had a session last night with O7A (Black, Max) on my usual blade with the intent of replacing R47 on my FH side. My first impression is that it's a great rubber. I'm a fan of O7P (and I'm surprised that so many people don't seem to like it), but O7A sorts out the one issue I had with O7P which was a drop in arc/spin on harder strokes (same kind of thing I found with EL-S as well).

It seems to be pretty different to O5A though. I can still get more spin out of O5A via a thin brush, but O5A is more sensitive to incoming spin and can be a bit of a handful.

To me, O7A feels very close to a harder-sponged O7P, as opposed to a continuation of O5A. If you don't like O7P then O7A probably won't change your mind, but I really took a shine to it last night and it was obvious that I was getting more spin out of it on harder FH strokes in comparison to the O7P and R47 I had on my backup blade, while not having much to adapt to in the short game, so it feels like a win-win right now. A few more sessions to go before the new season starts here so still some time to commit to it.

So, how does it compare to Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48? Your mytt review was rather glowing, thought your made your choice.

AndySmith
08-17-2018, 06:09 PM
So, how does it compare to Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48? Your mytt review was rather glowing, thought your made your choice.

I had two really bad sessions with the Nexxus. It was back during the crazy heatwave we had so could have been down to humidity, or me being on the verge of passing out or whatever, but I just couldn't hit a barn door with it. It put me off a bit!

Nexxus has an amazing loop arc - it really stands out from the other recent ESN releases I've tried - but it seems a bit too demanding for my skill level. I'll have to give it another go, but I can't argue with how much easier to use I find R47, Hype KR and Omega 7.

vvk1
08-17-2018, 06:12 PM
I had two really bad sessions with the Nexxus. It was back during the crazy heatwave we had so could have been down to humidity, or me being on the verge of passing out or whatever, but I just couldn't hit a barn door with it. It put me off a bit!

Nexxus has an amazing loop arc - it really stands out from the other recent ESN releases I've tried - but it seems a bit too demanding for my skill level. I'll have to give it another go, but I can't argue with how much easier to use I find R47, Hype KR and Omega 7.

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for clarifying.

DragonOwen
08-19-2018, 05:45 PM
I say keep it. O7Asia has everything you would want for a Tenergy alternative.
So far, so good, so probably would do just that... Maybe just a coincedence, but at a local weekly amateur tournament yesterday I took 2-nd place, even got a bit of prize money (about $15, if exclude admission fee of about $7, I still got about $8 ;) ), I regularly play on this tournament for a few years and at best I was 3-rd and it was when I still played pimples, which at a level of this tournament is a bit of cheat... so, again, maybe just a coincedence, but showed most of my best performances yesterday of the tournaments I played with two inverted rubbers, and maybe O7A contributed something in this success :D

danisius
08-22-2018, 10:57 AM
I`m O5 Asia user 2 mm on FH for almost two years and wonder how O7A is compared to it.
Could someone compare both of them

langel
08-22-2018, 11:30 AM
I`m O5 Asia user 2 mm on FH for almost two years and wonder how O7A is compared to it.
Could someone compare both of them

I finally odered O7A and next week will put them on one of mine Vega Tour blades, the other will stay with O5A for now, so I'll make a direct comparison. The old set of O5A I'll put on the Rosi Emotion blade to cmpare it too. Wiil post my personal feeling.

yogi_bear
08-22-2018, 12:27 PM
I`m O5 Asia user 2 mm on FH for almost two years and wonder how O7A is compared to it.
Could someone compare both of them

Asia is harder at about 52.5 degrees i think. Closer to tenergy 05fx

DragonOwen
08-22-2018, 12:37 PM
Closer to tenergy 05fx
:eek: Maybe a mistake? FX is muuuuch softer than O7A, so much, they almost not comparable... IMHO... IMO O7A is harder than Tenergy 05...

langel
08-31-2018, 09:05 AM
I already had my first session with Rossi Emotion + Omega V Asia, but will write about it later, because I have some mixed feelings, need to get more experience.
Today I will have my first session with Xiom Vega Tour + Omega 7 Asia and compare it directly to Xiom Vega Tour + O5Asia.
Impressions will come next week, to be more precise.

DragonOwen
09-05-2018, 08:27 AM
Left a short review on O7A rubber page at equipment section: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/equipment/rubbers/18588-omega-vii-asia

langel
09-05-2018, 11:25 AM
Left a short review on O7A rubber page at equipment section: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/equipment/rubbers/18588-omega-vii-asia

I think that if I had never played with Xiom Omega rubbers I would have the same feeling as in this review.
While I have a long experience with Omega 5 Asia and O5Tour, I"ll compare the new O7Asia to them.

Many things will fit with the review of yogi_bear, some may not, but you have to understand that Any review is a matter of personal feeling and evaluation.
The sponge of O7A is rated harder than the sponge of O5A, but because of the specifics of the rubber sheet it doesn't feel harder with finger pressing. O7A is lighter and my second Vega Tour blade paired with it is 4 gr lighter. As both my Vega Tour blades are 84 gr this reduction of weght is very sensible. During my first session I had very mixed feelings, but I know that these tensors need some 4-5 hours of just "hitting" before they get able to reveal their real character. So on the third session I started tpp feel O7A almost the same as O5A in AR over and near the table. The touch with it is with the same accuracy, but I miss a little the hinoki feel which is better with O5A. I didn't have to adjust anything in angle and power in this AR play. O7A has more spin than O5A and it is visible from the start with the first service. Till now I've played with O7A only with my son, he makes a lot of spin, but I didn't have the feeling that O7A is more sensible to incoming spin, I haven't thought about that at all, may be I'm just too familiar with his spin, have to check this with other players later.
At mid distance O7A starts to feel more different than O5A. With stronger hits it has more power. My deaper shots and those to the corners started to go out, so I had to adjust drive and angle, and in longer distance - the total swing. The O7A changes the arc of the trajectory faster and more unlinear than O5A with the inrease of power. The trajectory is going flatter, similar to O5Tour. Still the change of ball acceleration feels linear as with O5A. Stronger strokes with sharp topspin go with very flat trajectory, like they have no spin at all, but when the ball nocks the table, it sinks down with an acceleration, making it impossible to block and almost impossible to counter. Chopping is easy and a little bit higher than with O5A, but lower than with O5Tour. Sharper faster slices are easier too. Returning chopped balls is a little bit different than with O5A - over the table its almost the same as, slow balls close to table can be lifted the same way too, but lifting faster balls and attacking balls need adjustment - you need faster and longer vertical lift over the foreward move when lifting, and when attacking you have to take the ball earlier and to adjust the angle and/or the wing depending on distance and power. I don't think that its because of a more incomming spin sensibility, but because of the trajetory change with more power.
So up to now I think that O7A is a real upgrade to O5A. Its a little bit faster, has a little bit more spin, keeps the good feel and touch in AR and has some of the best characteristics of O5Tour. Once you get familiar with, it can be a dangerous weapon.

yogi_bear
09-05-2018, 12:14 PM
The O7A is better with mediu. Hard blades and people should as much as possible not use very stiff and hard blades on it. It goes well with alc blades.

langel
09-05-2018, 12:43 PM
Yes, exactly. Xiom Vega Tour is not hard and has a very good mellow hinoki feel, its stiffer than middle-flexy, but is not stiff too. Amongst all blades I've used I feel it as the best for me to use with O5A. I like it very much with O7A with the only remark that O7A gives me less of the hinoki feel with softer touches.

zbys
04-29-2019, 04:43 PM
Yes, exactly. Xiom Vega Tour is not hard and has a very good mellow hinoki feel, its stiffer than middle-flexy, but is not stiff too. Amongst all blades I've used I feel it as the best for me to use with O5A. I like it very much with O7A with the only remark that O7A gives me less of the hinoki feel with softer touches. Xiom07asia l am using this now for a ------long while since l bought 4 sets [8 rubbers from a trade stand test used one hr only very cheaply ] l used 05asia before that for a few months and tenergy 05 before that it was hard to ajust from tenergy 05 very bouncy spring sponge and very high arc ....can get the ball to go medium pace with short swing but found less confidence going all out on swings,, with 07 asia one has to swing fast lower arc hard sponge gives confidence faster ball is better more control on push esp fast push and serves l am adjusting and loving 07A compared to 05 Asia its a far harder sponge on 07A pushes and blocks are better lower arc but much faster does also have more spin [don't know how that works with the lower arc and more spin ? ] its harder for opponents to block ...so my risky buy paid off so far !!!