Best ball-feeling spin oriented composite blades

YoBob · Aug 16, 2018

Hey everybody...

Recently I came across people talking about certain composite blades which have enormous ball feeling and dwell despite the carbon or other fiber materials inside. Some people even described them as having the feeling of the ball sink inside the blade.

These blades provide heavy spin and may be a tad bit slower than the usual carbon blades. However, they seem to be a good option for intermediate players who are still trying to perfect their techniques.

I am listing few of the blades below which fit this criteria. Feel free to add to this list!

Butterfly ZLF series (Timo Boll ZLF, Liu Shiwen ZLF, Innerforce ZLF, etc.)
Andro Ligna Series
Yinhe Venus V-3
Andro Treiber-H

yogi_bear · Aug 16, 2018

Xiom Feel AX, Xiom HX, Stiga Carbonado 145, 45/90, Sanwei Pro F3, the new tmount f and t series are also very good but with lower prices i think.

Floris · Aug 16, 2018

Don't forget Joola Roßkopf Emotion.

YoBob · Aug 16, 2018

yogi_bear said:
Xiom Feel AX, Xiom HX, Stiga Carbonado 145, 45/90, Sanwei Pro F3, the new tmount f and t series are also very good but with lower prices i think.

Are Stiga Carbonado series blades really that soft feeling? Cause the reviews said they were more stiff feeling and hard.

And what about Sanwei F3 Pro? Is it similar to Innerforce ALC series? Cause it has an Ayous outer ply and I have played with only Limba and Koto. Is it more softer than them?

YoBob · Aug 16, 2018

Floris said:
Don't forget Joola Roßkopf Emotion.

Do all Hinoki outer ply blades have that same "ball-sinking into blade" feeling?

EvilOctopus · Aug 16, 2018

Only the innerforce ones have it to that extent. I played with a garaydia for a long time and while I can feel the hinoki on hard shots on short shots/over the table play it's quite dead. The rossi emotion I played before also had the hinoki feeling on those shots.

maar · Aug 16, 2018

Andro Treiber Z is a good example too

langel · Aug 16, 2018

YoBob said:
Do all Hinoki outer ply blades have that same "ball-sinking into blade" feeling?

Hinoki outers do have a good feel, but its not "that same", its very different for different blades, though, if you have the sense for hinoki, you'll always catch that feel, never mind the difference. And there is a piece of art for very one, one just have to find it.
Rossi Emotion, Xiom Vega Tour, Xiom ZX 2 - great blades with different thickness of the hinoki outer ply, and very different feel and play.

yogi_bear · Aug 17, 2018

Sanwei f3 pro is stiff. Depending on the carbonado but i specificqlly stated the 45/90 because they are not hard and not too fast. 145 is good to loop because of its higher arc

EvilOctopus · Aug 17, 2018

I cant really speak about any blade apart form the rossi emotion in your list but i can only recommend it considering how much cheaper it is than the zlf blades. Personally for the price i feel it might be the best blade out there, especially if you dont need it to be incredibly fast.

Shifu · Aug 17, 2018

Waldner Senso Carbon has really nice feeling

mart1nandersson · Aug 17, 2018

Joola Aruna OFF is another great blade with hinoki outer.

Beep-Beep · Aug 17, 2018

Is it too big a step to go from Donic Appelgreen Allplay to Rossi Emotion ?
(I play with Tenergy 05, 2.1 both sides)

The general recommandation seems to be, to go to allwood: Primorac OFF- or OSP Virtous OFF- first, before trying composite; but could i bypass this with by going with the slower Rossi Emotion ?

EvilOctopus · Aug 17, 2018

I went from an andro all wood straight to the emotion. The speed rating depends entirely on wether you think you could play with a slightly faster blade but i didnt feel like the speed difference between a 5 ply all wood and the emotion was that big. Personally i found the switch from an innerforce carbon blade to an outerforce carbon blade significantly bigger and also find that weight has a lot to do with it and the emotion is quite a light blade. I already played for a 5 years at that time. Id say if you feel like you can play shots comfortably with your allround blade and have a good feeling for the ball a switch wont prevent u from developing good technique but would help in playing slightly faster.

mart1nandersson · Aug 17, 2018

My (limited) experience of Joola is to take their rating with a big grain of salt. The Aruna OFF is labeled as OFF but feels a whole lot slower than for example the Butterfly Korbel. The Rossi is labeled as OFF- which following that theory would be more like ALL+ in reality.

YoBob · Aug 17, 2018

mart1nandersson said:
My (limited) experience of Joola is to take their rating with a big grain of salt. The Aruna OFF is labeled as OFF but feels a whole lot slower than for example the Butterfly Korbel. The Rossi is labeled as OFF- which following that theory would be more like ALL+ in reality.

Aruna OFF is like an upgraded and a bit faster version of Rosssi Emotion. But, unfortunately it did not gain as much popularity as the Rossi. I have heard lot of good reviews about the Aruna OFF and it is definitely a good blade for someone looking for a soft and controlled offensive carbon blade.

YoBob · Aug 17, 2018

Beep-Beep said:
Is it too big a step to go from Donic Appelgreen Allplay to Rossi Emotion ?
(I play with Tenergy 05, 2.1 both sides)

The general recommandation seems to be, to go to allwood: Primorac OFF- or OSP Virtous OFF- first, before trying composite; but could i bypass this with by going with the slower Rossi Emotion ?

For your first composite blade, you should definitely look for something on the flexy and softer side. Innerforce ZLF series blade would be an ideal choice.
Or if you looking for something cheaper, then Andro Treiber-H would be suitable.

talbon · Aug 17, 2018

YoBob said:
Butterfly ZLF series (Timo Boll ZLF, Liu Shiwen ZLF, Innerforce ZLF, etc.)

In terms of feel, quite a few blades (as listed by all posters) have what you describe. Either with limba or hinoki outer veneers.

In terms of overall spin and shot quality I haven't encountered anything close to the blades I quoted from your OP, among off-/off composite blades with a soft feel :/ I'd add the discontinued Innerforce AL to the lot. I'm curious about the experience of other people too. I like to keep my money as much as the next guy, but isn't it ironic when BTY turns out to be the least wasteful... ;\

Funnily enough some of the other brands/blades I've tried even matched quite poorly (dead behaviour) with (very hard) Chinese rubber, compared to (hard or medium-hard) European tensors. Sigh

Amaken23 · Aug 17, 2018

Donic Waldner Diablo Senso (3 plies of wood and 2 plies of glassfibre).
Very nice feeling, nice and big sweetspot and good speed. I bought it some time ago and it feels great. And it is cheap

YoBob · Aug 18, 2018

talbon said:
In terms of feel, quite a few blades (as listed by all posters) have what you describe. Either with limba or hinoki outer veneers.

In terms of overall spin and shot quality I haven't encountered anything close to the blades I quoted from your OP, among off-/off composite blades with a soft feel :/ I'd add the discontinued Innerforce AL to the lot. I'm curious about the experience of other people too. I like to keep my money as much as the next guy, but isn't it ironic when BTY turns out to be the least wasteful... ;\

Funnily enough some of the other brands/blades I've tried even matched quite poorly (dead behaviour) with (very hard) Chinese rubber, compared to (hard or medium-hard) European tensors. Sigh

I would have to agree with you. There are quite a lot of stiff blades with softer outer ply from other brands which might give you the same feeling. However, playing with the ZLF series blades which are soft+flexible is a different experience.
I don't advocate spending $200 on blades unless you are a professional/serious player . But, there is something about these certain high-end Butterfly blades which can't be matched by other brands.

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