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TableTennisDaily
08-20-2018, 08:55 AM
The World Tour circuit now moves onto this weeks Czech Open, with some big names entered this competition is not to be missed. Last week saw the phenomenal Bulgaria Open which had many twists and turns. Firstly, Liam Pitchford eliminating number 1 seed Ma long in round 1! Kenta Matsudaira defeating Japanese team mate Tomokazu Harimoto and number 1 seed Dimitrij Ovtcharov losing to Zheng Peifeng. The Czech Open begins from the 21st to 26th August 2018.

Lots to look forward to, full Czech Open details below.

Main Draw

Daily Schedule (https://bornanblob.blob.core.windows.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE2821/results.html)
Knock Out Rounds (https://bornanblob.blob.core.windows.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE2821/brackets.html)


Men's Singles Seeds

Germany's Dimitrij Ovtcharov, has entered the Czech Open as the number 1 seed!

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Dimitrij Ovtcharov enters the Czech Open as the no.1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Dimitrij Ovtcharov
02) Tomokazu Harimoto
03) Koki Niwa
04) Marcos Freitas
05) Jonathan Groth
06) Mattias Falck
07) RuwenFilus
08) Kristian Karlsson
09) Patrick Franziska
10) Vladimir Samsonov
11) Maharu Yoshimura
12) Kou Lei
13) Bastian Steger
14) Kirill Gerassimenko
15) Benedikt Duda
16) Pavel Sirucek


Women's Singles Seeds

Japan's Kasumi Ishikawa enters the Czech Open as the number 1 seed.

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Japan's Kasumi Ishikawa enters the Czech Open as the #1 seed - Photo by: ITTF Flickr

01) Kasumi Ishikawa
02) Mima Ito
03) Miu Hirano
04) Hitomi Sato
05) Hina Hayata
06) Sofia Polcanova
07) Saki Shibata
08) Elizabeta Samara
09) Honoka Hashimoto
10) Matilda Ekholm
11) Li Qian
12) Bernadette Szcos
13) Georgina Pota
14) Han Ying ^
15) Hana Matelova
16) Dana Cechova


For full player entries click here. (http://wtentries.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=16&Itemid=134&fab_plist___tournament_raw=29&fab_plist___gender_raw=M&order_by=fab_plist___assoc&order_dir=asc&resetfilters=1&fabrik_incsessionfilters=0)

A fantastic event to follow, be sure to get involved in the TTD topic and get involved with the discussions.

We can use this thread as a means to display all the latest results, videos and news from this spectacular World Tour event! What are your predictions from each event.

Filip
08-20-2018, 09:09 AM
Does anyone know why Mattias Karlsson changed his name to Mattias Falck?

zeio
08-20-2018, 09:20 AM
Perhaps he's tired of being asked if he's the brother of Kristian Karlsson and Peter Karlsson...

Jimbob MacInbred
08-20-2018, 09:30 AM
I heard that he has a strained relationship with his father whose first name is Karl, hence Mattias doesn't want to be the son of Karl anymore. He now wants to be a falcon...

Okay, well, he recently got married and assumed the name of his wife, for whatever reasons...

sktrdie
08-20-2018, 09:33 AM
Where's all the Chinese players?

Daniel Hasson
08-20-2018, 09:39 AM
Where's all the Chinese players?
In the qualification.

drunix80
08-20-2018, 09:41 AM
Where's all the Chinese players?
I think all top CNT guys are resting while some.lower rung guys will start from quals ??

Loopadoop
08-20-2018, 09:46 AM
This is going to be fun to watch with no CNT seeded in the top 16. The qualifying is going to be wild with them there.

akoozab
08-21-2018, 05:44 AM
Any predictions?

akoozab
08-21-2018, 05:45 AM
As always,my bet on Дядя Вова:) uncle Vladi!

Loopadoop
08-21-2018, 06:41 AM
Men - Harimoto and 3 CNT top 4

Women - Ito and 3 CNT top 4

ILoveTT
08-21-2018, 07:14 AM
I would like to see Freitas go far in this one. Hes due a good tournament.

v100ev
08-21-2018, 08:08 AM
Does anyone know why Mattias Karlsson changed his name to Mattias Falck?
He got married recently and took his wife's second name.

Table Tennis Reborn
08-21-2018, 11:52 AM
Dima to win this

Daniel Hasson
08-21-2018, 12:02 PM
Ma Te is out! I really thought he was a strong contender to win this open.

perham
08-21-2018, 12:23 PM
Ma Te is out! I really thought he was a strong contender to win this open.

I thought the same actually. Also Zheng Pifeng was super close. I think they were both quite tired.


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quanghuysk
08-21-2018, 12:32 PM
anybody knows how to buy tickets for that Czech Open?

andrew_tihi
08-21-2018, 09:38 PM
michael maze played .....

JesperStef
08-21-2018, 10:27 PM
Selected results from Day 1 (Tue 21 August 2018)

Men's Singles

Preliminary round 1:

Zhang Yudong 4:3 Baek Hogyun
Zheng Peifeng 4:3 Ondrej Bajger
Taku Takakiwa 4:3 Ma Te, CHN

Preliminary round 2:

Viacheslav Burov 4:3 Andrej Gacina [1]
[5] Stefan Fegerl 4:0 Xia Yizheng, CHN
Takuya Jin 4:3 Yuya Oshima [6]
Zhang Yudong 4:2 Paul Drinkhall [10]
[12] Kirill Skachkov 4:3 Xu Haidong, CHN
Marek Badowski 4:3 Bojan Tokic [13]
Yusuke Sadamatsu 4:2 Anton Källberg [17]
Tobias Hippler 4:1 Wang Yang, SVK [20]
Yuki Hirano 4:1 Eric Jouti [21]
Kohei Sambe 4:0 Alexander Shibaev [26]
Frane Kojic 4:0 Tomas Konecny [28]
Lei Chi-Chien 4:3 Florent Lambiet [29]
Grigory Vlasov 4:1 Michael Maze


Women's Singles

Preliminary round 2:

Valeria Shcherbatykh 4:1 Petrissa Solja [4]
Kim Hayeong 4:2 Polina Mikhailova [8]
Yumeno Soma 4:0 Ganna Gaponova [15]
Melanie Diaz 4:3 Katarzyna Grzybowska-Franc [22]
Takako Nagao 4:0 Mateja Jeger [26]
Mayu Baba 4:0 Debora Vivarelli [28]
Wen Jia, CHN 4:0 Tin-Tin Ho [31]

PingPang2018
08-21-2018, 10:29 PM
Thank U

ILoveTT
08-22-2018, 08:37 AM
Michael Maze already out, I wanted to see him do well and take on the top guys

zeio
08-22-2018, 08:41 AM
Xu Chenhao joins the casualty list.

jedimasterplk
08-22-2018, 09:21 AM
Unfortunately, he has got no chance of doing that. I like Maze, but he is finished.

usualsuspect
08-22-2018, 01:05 PM
Looks like only one men from CNT made it through the qualification... Oh well, hope he does well.

DragonOwen
08-22-2018, 01:53 PM
WOW, russian players mostly great performance at this round, Vlasov, Burov, Skachkov go through it! Especially happy for Burov, he is from my city, hope there will be video of his match with Gacina somewhere, really want to watch it!

0-4 for Shibaev is kinda sad though... also sad for Mikhailova loss, she also from my city, even seen her training a few times not too long ago (about 3-4 weeks ago was training on table next to table she was training) :(

mrk
08-22-2018, 03:35 PM
Looks like only one men from CNT made it through the qualification... Oh well, hope he does well.


Two chinese players: Zhang Yudong and Zheng Peifeng.

atrapa
08-22-2018, 04:17 PM
main draw on the women side
all 6 chinese women in bottom half
it will be very very hard for ito mima to defend her czech open title from 2017
she will most probably be facing a chinese player in each round - if she advances

JesperStef
08-22-2018, 07:26 PM
Selected results from Day 2 (Wed 22 August 2018)

Men's Singles

Preliminary round 3:

[12] Kirill Skachkov 4:2 Xu Chenhao
Lubomir Jancarik 4:2 Jon Persson [11]
David Reitspies 4:2 Can Akkuzu [19]
Taku Takakiwa 4:1 Alexey Liventsov [25]
Zheng Peifeng 4:0 Joao Geraldo [31]
Park Ganghyeon 4:3 Hunor Szocs [32]

Preliminary round 4 (winners qualify for Main Draw):

Viacheslav Burov 4:3 Thiago Monteiro
Taku Takakiwa 4:3 Gustavo Tsuboi [2]
[3] Liam Pitchford 4:0 Kim Minhyeok
[22] Jakub Dyjas 4:2 Robert Gardos [4]
Zheng Peifeng 4:0 Stefan Fegerl [5]
[24] Tomislav Pucar 4:0 Takuya Jin
[7] Daniel Habesohn 4:0 Pavel Platonov
[8] Ricardo Walther 4:0 David Reitspies
[9] Cedric Nuytinck 4:2 Kazuhiro Yoshimura [23]
Kohei Sambe 1:4 Zhang Yudong
Lubomir Jancarik 0:4 Yuki Hirano
[12] Kirill Skachkov 4:1 Mihai Bobocica [30]
[27] Pär Gerell 2:4 Marek Badowski
Park Ganghyeon 4:1 Ovidiu Ionescu [14]
[18] Mizuki Oikawa 4:1 Lubomir Pistej [15]
[16] Darko Jorgic 4:0 Alexandre Robinot


Women's Singles

Preliminary round 3:

Wan Yuan, GER 4:2 Britt Eerland [7]
Kristin Lang 4:0 Viktoria Pavlovich [10]
Liu Gaoyang 4:0 Nina Mittelham [11]
Liu Xi, CHN 4:0 Natalia Partyka [12]
Yang Xiaoxin, MON 4:3 Zeng Jian, SGP [14]
Mizuki Morizono 4:2 Maria Xiao [16]
Bernadett Balint 4:3 Szandra Pergel [18]
Alex Galic 4:3 Sarah De Nutte [25]
Sun Mingyang, CHN 4:1 Dora Madarasz [30]

Preliminary round 4 (winners qualify for Main Draw):

[1] Adriana Diaz 4:1 Bruna Takahashi [19]
[2] Miyu Nagasaki 4:2 Bernadett Balint
[3] Li Jie, NED 4:2 Mayu Baba
[23] Zhang Rui, CHN 4:0 Oceane Guisnel
Wu Yang, CHN 4:0 Maki Shiomi [5]
[6] Fu Yu, POR 4:1 Takako Nagao
[21] Wu Yue, USA 4:0 Wan Yuan, GER
[17] Wang Yidi, CHN 4:0 Kim Hayeong
Wen Jia, CHN 4:3 Chen Ke, CHN [9]
Kristin Lang 4:2 Renata Strbikova
Liu Gaoyang 4:1 Miyuu Kihara [27]
Sun Mingyang, CHN 4:1 Liu Xi, CHN
[13] Sabine Winter 4:2 Daria Trigolos
Yang Xiaoxin, MON 4:1 Alex Galic
Yumeno Soma 4:1 Giorgia Piccolin [24]
Mizuki Morizono 4:1 Yana Noskova [20]


U21 Men's Singles

Semi-finals:

[1] Yuto Kizukuri 3:0 Koyo Kanamitsu [14] (16:14, 11:9, 11:8)
[2] Darko Jorgic 3:2 Yuki Matsuyama (6:11, 11:4, 6:11, 13:11, 11:6)

Final:

[1] Yuto Kizukuri 3:2 Darko Jorgic [2] (12:10, 11:3, 8:11, 8:11, 11:6)


U21 Women's Singles

Semi-finals:

[1] Chen Ke 3:0 Zhang Rui [3] (11:9, 11:6, 11:6)
[4] Wang Yidi 3:0 Miyu Nagasaki [2] (11:7, 11:6, 11:3)

Final:

[4] Wang Yidi 3:2 Chen Ke [1] (11:4, 9:11, 6:11, 11:9, 11:9)

ttpshot
08-23-2018, 12:14 AM
Wow, what a long road just to qualify. Looks like we need more satelite(challenger) level PTs!

jamesmith
08-23-2018, 12:30 AM
again it is ridiculous that all the Chinese woman players are all in bottom half. Now it seems all the Chinese players have to play at the same half. If you look at the last few tournament, you can see the draws were like this

zeio
08-23-2018, 01:30 AM
Confirmation bias in full force here.

DragonOwen
08-23-2018, 07:20 AM
Nice, Skachkov and Burov get into Main Draw, Burov even beat Monteiro in 4th prelim round (hope he have enough endurance, 3 preliminary rounds in a row 4-3 win, tough...), hope they get even further!

A bit sad for Vlasov, after beating Maze 4-1 he was crushed 0-4 in next round by Jorgic (3-11,9-11,8-11,5-11)...

jawien
08-23-2018, 07:49 AM
WOW, russian players mostly great performance at this round, Vlasov, Burov, Skachkov go through it! Especially happy for Burov, he is from my city, hope there will be video of his match with Gacina somewhere, really want to watch it!

0-4 for Shibaev is kinda sad though... also sad for Mikhailova loss, she also from my city, even seen her training a few times not too long ago (about 3-4 weeks ago was training on table next to table she was training) :(

Yeah, she plays spectacular with those short pips. She had a good run in Olomouc few years ago I think.

Sali
08-23-2018, 11:14 AM
again it is ridiculous that all the Chinese woman players are all in bottom half. Now it seems all the Chinese players have to play at the same half. If you look at the last few tournament, you can see the draws were like this
You can also say it other way. Ittf took all effort to make sure Mima Ito will not win this tour:
1 round Zhang Rui
2 round probably Liu Gaoyang
3 round probably Wen Jia
4 round you can choose betwen Wu Yang, Wang Yidi and Sun Mingyang
So she needs to take down all chinese girls to meet Kasumi in the final. Of course I know zeio see it in different way (lucky ishikawa):):)
I think it is just random selection causes this thing, they all played preliminary rounds so I do not see any unfair process. Of course if somebody likes conspiracy teories - there is not much to say.

frouille
08-23-2018, 12:29 PM
Thank U for the results

langel
08-23-2018, 02:12 PM
Pitchford played well.

Daniel Hasson
08-23-2018, 02:23 PM
Pitchford played well.
Against who?

ZhouZhekai
08-23-2018, 02:36 PM
Koki Niwa vs Oikawa is realy entertaining, it is like a womens game just of the table

zeio
08-23-2018, 04:37 PM
Dramatic match b/w Ito and Zhang Rui. From 3 games up to 3 all, then from a big lead to a deep hole in the last game.

Loopadoop
08-23-2018, 06:39 PM
R32

T Harimoto and V Samsonov advance

JesperStef
08-23-2018, 09:26 PM
Results from Day 3 (Thu 23 August2018)

Men's Singles

Round of 32:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:0 Taku Takakiwa (11:7, 11:8, 11:9, 11:6)
Park Ganghyeon 4:1 Kou Lei [12] (5:11, 11:6, 11:4, 11:7, 11:5)
Zhang Yudong 4:3 Benedikt Duda [15] (11:8, 13:15, 11:5, 6:11, 11:8, 7:11, 11:8)
Liam Pitchford 4:1 Kristian Karlsson [8] (9:11, 11:9, 11:3, 11:8, 11:4)

Ricardo Walther 4:2 Ruwen Filus [7] (5:11, 12:10, 11:6, 8:11, 11:4, 11:9)
[13] Bastian Steger 4:1 Cedric Nuytinck (11:2, 7:11, 11:2, 11:7, 11:3)
Zheng Peifeng 4:2 Pavel Sirucek, CZE [16] (11:7, 15:13, 9:11, 4:11, 11:6, 11:6)
Mizuki Oikawa 4:1 Koki Niwa [3] (11:9, 11:7, 5:11, 12:10, 12:10)

[4] Marcos Freitas 4:0 Yuki Hirano (11:6, 11:7, 12:10, 11:4)
[11] Maharu Yoshimura 4:1 Viacheslav Burov (8:11, 12:10, 12:10, 11:4, 11:7)
[14] Kirill Gerassimenko 4:3 Kirill Skachkov (12:14, 11:6, 5:11, 11:13, 11:9, 12:10, 11:7)
Daniel Habesohn 4:3 Mattias Falck [6] (11:9, 7:11, 3:11, 11:8, 11:6, 6:11, 11:8)

[5] Jonathan Groth 4:2 Jakub Dyjas (11:2, 11:2, 7:11, 7:11, 11:7, 11:5)
[9] Patrick Franziska 4:1 Tomislav Pucar (11:9, 9:11, 11:3, 11:5, 11:8)
[10] Vladimir Samsonov 4:1 Marek Badowski (13:15, 11:5, 11:7, 11:7, 12:10)
[2] Tomokazu Harimoto 4:0 Darko Jorgic (11:9, 11:3, 11:6, 11:4)


Women's Singles

Round of 32:

[1] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:2 Kristin Lang (11:9, 11:6, 11:4, 9:11, 6:11, 11:7)
[9] Honoka Hashimoto 4:2 Li Jie, NED (11:4, 11:6, 7:11, 11:7, 6:11, 11:7)
[10] Matilda Ekholm 4:0 Yang Xiaoxin. MON (11:6, 14:12, 11:6, 11:5)
Adriana Diaz 4:2 Sofia Polcanova [6] (11:6, 11:9, 7:11, 8:11, 11:7, 11:7)

[7] Saki Shibata 4:3 Wu Yue (8:11, 12:10, 9:11, 11:7, 11:9, 6:11, 11:9)
[12] Bernadette Szocs 4:2 Yumeno Soma (11:7, 11:6, 11:13, 11:3, 9:11, 11:8)
Miyu Nagasaki 4:3 Hana Matelova [15] (11:9, 13:11, 6:11, 9:11, 7:11, 11:5, 11:8)
[3] Miu Hirano 4:2 Mizuki Morizono (11:7, 11:6, 6:11, 12:10, 6:11, 11:5)

Sabine Winter 4:2 Hitomi Sato [4] (11:7, 8:11, 6:11, 11:8, 11:7, 11:4)
[11] Li Qian, POL 4:2 Wang Yidi (11:6, 11:9, 5:11, 5:11, 11:1, 12:10)
Sun Mingyang 4:2 Han Ying, GER [14] (9:11, 13:11, 12:10, 11:7, 8:11, 11:6)
Wu Yang 4:0 Hina Hayata [5] (11:9, 11:6, 11:9, 12:10)

Wen Jia 4:1 Elizabeta Samara [8] (9:11, 11:7, 11:9, 11:2, 11:4)
Fu Yu, POR 4:0 Dana Cechova, CZE [16] (11:6, 11:7, 11:7, 11:7)
Liu Gaoyang 4:2 Georgina Pota [13] (11:9, 13:11, 3:11, 11:7, 10:12, 11:5)
[2] Mima Ito 4:3 Zhang Rui (11:5, 11:9, 11:9, 7:11, 9:11, 7:11, 11:9)


Men's Doubles

Round of 16:

[1] Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth 3:1 Can Akkuzu/Joe Seyfried
[5] Tomokazu Harimoto/Yuto Kizukuri 3:1 Robin Devos/Lubomir Pistej
Anders Lind/Bence Majoros 3:1 Pavel Platonov/Vladimir Samsonov [7]
[3] Nandor Ecseki/Adam Szudi 3:0 Vladimir Sidorenko/Grigory Vlasov

[4] Mattias Falck/Kristian Karlsson 3:0 Jakub Dyjas/Tomasz Kotowski
Cho Eonrae/Kim Minhyeok 3:2 Pavel Sirucek/Tomas Tregler, CZE [8]
Marek Badowski/Patryk Zatowka 3:1 Robert Gardos/Daniel Habesohn [6]
[2] Ruwen Filus/Ricardo Walther 3:1 Baek Hogyun/Kim Daewoo


Women's Doubles

Round of 16:

[1] Hina Hayata/Miu Hirano 3:0 Yana Noskova/Sofia Polcanova
[7] Chen Ke/Wang Yidi 3:1 Petrissa Solja/Sabine Winter
Sarah De Nutte/Alex Galic 3:1 Katarzyna Grzybowska-Franc/Natalia Partyka [6]
Sun Jiayi/Zeng Jian 3:2 Matilda Ekholm/Georgina Pota [3]

Liu Gaoyang/Zhang Rui 3:1 Barbora Balazova/Hana Matelova [4]
Lie Jie/Li Qian 3:1 Dora Madarasz/Szandra Pergel [5]
[8] Elizabeta Samara/Bernadette Szocs 3:0 Filippa Bergand/Linda Bergström
[2] Kasumi Ishikawa/Mima Ito 3:0 Oceane Guisnel/Stephanie Loeuillette

Ilia Minkin
08-24-2018, 12:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWrAd72DpHM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ommez5liSPo

zeio
08-24-2018, 02:19 PM
Pitchford was up 5:0 and 8:4, before losing 10:12 in the 2nd game.

Down 0:5 in game 3, came back to lead 10:8, called TO, but...

Last game...Zhang Yudong totally owned...3:11.

Pitchford covered his middle really well. Had problem handling Zhang's serve early on but adjusted. His BH saved the day.

Daniel Hasson
08-24-2018, 02:50 PM
He did it! Oh man my heart was beating so fast as it was so intense. This actually reminds of Timo vs Xue Fei last year because it was in the same tournament and Timo was also down 3-1 and then came back to win 3:4.

Atas Newton
08-24-2018, 02:51 PM
What a comeback from TT Crouch.

zeio
08-24-2018, 02:54 PM
Another close shave for Zheng Peifeng, being up 3:1...

drunix80
08-24-2018, 06:31 PM
Tomo will crush Vladi Uncle again !!

zeio
08-24-2018, 06:57 PM
Ito dropped 7 points straight from 4:2 in game 4, but managed to win the next 7 afterwards to take the game...

Mental breakdown for Liu Gaoyang after that nail-in-the-coffin game 4.

zeio
08-24-2018, 07:13 PM
You can also say it other way. Ittf took all effort to make sure Mima Ito will not win this tour:
1 round Zhang Rui
2 round probably Liu Gaoyang
3 round probably Wen Jia
4 round you can choose betwen Wu Yang, Wang Yidi and Sun Mingyang
So she needs to take down all chinese girls to meet Kasumi in the final. Of course I know zeio see it in different way (lucky ishikawa):):)
I think it is just random selection causes this thing, they all played preliminary rounds so I do not see any unfair process. Of course if somebody likes conspiracy teories - there is not much to say.
2 down, 2 to go. If Ito could get past Wen Jia, she will have a very good chance beating Wu Yang.

If all goes as well, I expect our civil-war-expert captain Ishikawa to ascertain her role.

zeio
08-24-2018, 07:27 PM
You know table tennis is doomed when a kid takes down a legend all guns blazing with a crappy FH.

Loopadoop
08-24-2018, 07:29 PM
Tomo will crush Vladi Uncle again !!

Tomo 4-3 Vladi

Sali
08-24-2018, 07:46 PM
2 down, 2 to go. If Ito could get past Wen Jia, she will have a very good chance beating Wu Yang.

If all goes as well, I expect our civil-war-expert captain Ishikawa to ascertain her role.
Wen jia will not be easy but still I think she should manage it. Yes wu yang should be easier. Well the final can go both ways. Sometimes mima rushes to much and that is a good chance for ishikawa. Still if Kasumi change her mood for selfdestruct ito will win easily

JesperStef
08-24-2018, 08:20 PM
Results from Day 4 (Fri 24 August 2018)

Men's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:1 Park Ganghyeon (11:3, 9:11, 11:5, 11:7, 11:9)
Liam Pitchford 4:3 Zhang Yudong (11:7, 10:12, 12:14, 7:11, 11:6, 11:6, 11:3)
[13] Bastian Steger 4:3 Ricardo Walther (5:11, 10:12, 12:10, 11:8, 13:11, 10:12, 11:6)
Zheng Peifeng 4:3 Mizuki Oikawa (11:5, 11:3, 5:11, 11:3, 8:11, 8:11, 11:4)

[4] Marcos Freitas 4:0 Maharu Yoshimura [11] (11:9, 11:6, 11:9, 11:8)
Daniel Habesohn 4:1 Kirill Gerassimenko [14] (12:10, 8:11, 13:11, 12:10, 11:6)
[9] Patrick Franziska 4:2 Jonathan Groth [5] (11:9, 6:11, 11:7, 11:3, 9:11, 11:9)
[2] Tomokazu Harimoto 4:3 Vladimir Samsonov [10] (11:7, 7:11, 11:6, 11:13, 11:4, 8:11, 11:5)


Women's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:2 Honoka Hashimoto [9] (11:7, 11:7, 7:11, 11:6, 9:11, 11:4)
Adriana Diaz 4:3 Matilda Ekholm [10] (11:5, 11:5, 11:4, 2:11, 3:11, 6:11, 11:5)
[7] Saki Shibata 4:0 Bernadette Szocs [12] (11:7, 11:5, 11:8, 11:9)
[3] Miu Hirano 4:0 Miyu Nagasaki (11:5, 11:9, 12:10, 11:5)

Sabine Winter 4:0 Li Qian, POL [11] (11:9, 11:2, 11:6, 11:8)
Wu Yang 4:0 Sun Mingyang (11:8, 11:7, 11:3, 11:9)
Wen Jia 4:0 Fu Yu, POR (11:1, 11:6, 11:9, 11:3)
[2] Mima Ito 4:1 Liu Gaoyang (11:9, 4:11, 11:8, 11:9, 11:5)


Men's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth 3:1 Tomokazu Harimoto/Yuto Kizukuri [5]
Anders Lind/Bence Majoros 3:1 Nandor Ecseki/Adam Szudi [3]

[4] Mattias Falck/Kristian Karlsson 3:0 Cho Eonrae/Kim Minhyeok
[2] Ruwen Filus/Ricardo Walther 3:0 Marek Badowski/Patryk Zatowka

Semi-finals:

[1] Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth 3:0 Anders Lind/Bence Majoros
[4] Mattias Falck/Kristian Karlsson 3:0 Ruwen Filus/Ricardo Walther [2]


Women's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Hina Hayata/Miu Hirano 3:2 Chen Ke/Wang Yidi [7]
Sun Jiayi/Zeng Jian 3:2 Sarah De Nutte/Alex Galic

Liu Gaoyang/Zhang Rui 3:1 Lie Jie/Li Qian
[2] Kasumi Ishikawa/Mima Ito 3:0 Elizabeta Samara/Bernadette Szocs [8]

Semi-finals:

Sun Jiayi/Zeng Jian 3:1 Hina Hayata/Miu Hirano [1]
Liu Gaoyang/Zhang Rui 3:2 Kasumi Ishikawa/Mima Ito [2]

quanghuysk
08-24-2018, 09:34 PM
Can anybody stop Ito Mima? I love her style so much, she's really a Chinese killer

Table Tennis Reborn
08-25-2018, 08:11 AM
Liam vs Dimitrij cant wait!!

zeio
08-25-2018, 08:16 AM
4:1, 10:8, 12:14...Just retire, Ishikawa!

Garrison
08-25-2018, 10:39 AM
Dima makes so many unforced errors. Mmh :confused:

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 10:40 AM
Pitchford hides his contact with his head. Tough for Dima.

tabletennisuk
08-25-2018, 10:43 AM
Pitchford hides his contact with his head. Tough for Dima.


Totally disagree.



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Daniel Hasson
08-25-2018, 10:44 AM
Pitchford vs Ovtcharov 4-1

zeio
08-25-2018, 10:45 AM
Ovtcharov could pass on the baton and retire.

This'll be a crucial period for Pitchford's career.

Garrison
08-25-2018, 10:46 AM
Dimitrij suddenly loses all feeling for the ball and forgets how to bring the ball on the table. That shouldn't really happen to pros...

Daniel Hasson
08-25-2018, 10:46 AM
Mark my word Pitchford wins gold in euro champs this year

Gladxu
08-25-2018, 10:47 AM
4:1, 10:8, 12:14...Just retire, Ishikawa!

17303

Hamasaki_Fanz
08-25-2018, 10:55 AM
who tf is this female commentator?
Can ITTF please not hire a commentator that is not english native, she's even struggling speaking in english

Loopadoop
08-25-2018, 10:58 AM
who tf is this female commentator?
Can ITTF please not hire a commentator that is not english native, she's even struggling speaking in english

Maybe she is the people's choice to replace Adam Bobrow.

jedimasterplk
08-25-2018, 11:02 AM
Pitchford vs Ovtcharov 4-1

That match showed what domination and annihilation on the table looks like. Hard to believe Ovtcharov is ranked no4, and Pitch (whatever the meaningless rank he is given) is.

Sali
08-25-2018, 11:04 AM
4:1, 10:8, 12:14...Just retire, Ishikawa!
Come on you call 4:1 a big lead or 10:8. Start beeing rational not ridiculous. She is on the good route to the final where she probably going to face ito.

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 11:12 AM
Totally disagree.



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On the basis of Pitchford being British? Or on the basis of Pitchford not actually hiding his contact with his head when he does his punch serve?

It's not just Pitchford, many top players do it including Ma Long. And Pitchford dominated the rallies. But Dima relies heavily on serve return.

Garrison
08-25-2018, 11:16 AM
"whatever meaning less rank he is given". lol. Round of 16 is the best result he got anywhere in the last two years. Domination and annihilation? I must have watched the wrong game then.

jedimasterplk
08-25-2018, 11:17 AM
"whatever meaning less rank he is given". lol. Round of 16 is the best result he got anywhere in the last two years. Domination and annihilation? I must have watched the wrong game then.

You must have.

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 11:19 AM
Finally, an umpire is doing his job. The guy is flipping the ball so far back that it is hard for Steger to see and you want it it be a fair fight? Really?

Just wish they would be more consistent or we could go back to hidden serves.

Steger doesn't complain much. He lost that battle a long time ago in a famous meltdown vs Riuwu Tan.

perham
08-25-2018, 11:20 AM
This service fault bullshit is ruining the game. It’s always applied against the Chinese. Never once have I seen it against a European player. They just use the vague terminology to put the Chinese players under pressure and to give unfair advantage to others.


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tabletennisuk
08-25-2018, 11:21 AM
On the basis that he doesn’t hide the ball? Out of Liam and Dima who we’ve just seen, Dima is the one with the dodgy serves. His tomahawk serve’s throw up is awful! He actually has to move to the ball after he has thrown it up because it’s so far away from being straight...


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NextLevel
08-25-2018, 11:22 AM
Dimitrij suddenly loses all feeling for the ball and forgets how to bring the ball on the table. That shouldn't really happen to pros...

Give Dima time. They will also go to the lab and look at those Pitchford serves. Dima was very passive on serve return and that shouldn't happen with time to review the match.

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 11:29 AM
On the basis that he doesn’t hide the ball? Out of Liam and Dima who we’ve just seen, Dima is the one with the dodgy serves. His tomahawk serve’s throw up is awful! He actually has to move to the ball after he has thrown it up because it’s so far away from being straight...


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When it comes to illegal serving, while the ITTF regulations don't make distinctions, most experienced players will tell you that hidden serves are a class apart in their difficulty. But you can see the head thrust on Pitchford's serves. I don't know why you ate trying so hard to deny it. Most people just say that Ma Long does it so who cares.

JesperStef
08-25-2018, 11:30 AM
Finally, an umpire is doing his job. The guy is flipping the ball so far back that it is hard for Steger to see and you want it it be a fair fight? Really?

Just wish they would be more consistent or we could go back to hidden serves.

Steger doesn't complain much. He lost that battle a long time ago in a famous meltdown vs Riuwu Tan.

Yeah, I remember that match also.

To be fair, it looks like Steger has started to hide the ball with his hand/arm quite effectively as well, so... :rolleyes:

Sali
08-25-2018, 11:36 AM
do you guys can hear the lady comentator, she is going to make me fall asleep

JesperStef
08-25-2018, 11:53 AM
do you guys can hear the lady comentator, she is going to make me fall asleep

I think this is a matter of taste. She’s not “distractingly bad” like the guy commentating the recent Asia vs Europe match and other Asian events :mad:.

Personally I like that she’s just focusing on the actual game and nothing else. But I guess she’s quite bland - even more so for fans of Adam Bobrows style of commentating :cool:

Also, I believe that in many events this year, Bobrow has not been commentating the early matches on saturdays? Not sure why that is, though?

Garrison
08-25-2018, 12:18 PM
17305

Quality is not so good but the little white thing sticking out of his forehead is the ball..

Sali
08-25-2018, 12:22 PM
I think this is a matter of taste. She’s not “distractingly bad” like the guy commentating the recent Asia vs Europe match and other Asian events :mad:.

Personally I like that she’s just focusing on the actual game and nothing else. But I guess she’s quite bland - even more so for fans of Adam Bobrows style of commentating :cool:

Also, I believe that in many events this year, Bobrow has not been commentating the early matches on saturdays? Not sure why that is, though?
Ok I know what you mean. But although I prefer Bobrow who is more enthusiastic about the game (sometimes too much) I cannot hear what she is saying, she speaks soo silently that I need to put the voice to maximum to hear her.

zeio
08-25-2018, 01:16 PM
After the 4th game, Zhang Qin reassure Wu Yang that Winter was still not certain what spin was on the ball, which was why she chose to slow-loop it. Also, she told Wu Yang to go for Winter's pocket as she covered her FH pretty well.

eyepop
08-25-2018, 01:22 PM
Like zillion times against Shibaev.
This service fault bullshit is ruining the game. It’s always applied against the Chinese. Never once have I seen it against a European player. They just use the vague terminology to put the Chinese players under pressure and to give unfair advantage to others.


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NextLevel
08-25-2018, 01:39 PM
17305

Quality is not so good but the little white thing sticking out of his forehead is the ball..


I wish evidence would change people's minds, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work that way.

zeio
08-25-2018, 01:46 PM
After 3rd game, Chen Bin told Wen Jia that Ito kept serving backspin to her middle to make her open it up.

He told her to focus more on getting the 3rd ball in and tighter receive.

For Ito, I heard Matsuzaki said something about forehand and middle.

After 4th game, Chen Bin told Wen Jia something about the FH push, that she could slow it down on the short game.

perham
08-25-2018, 01:54 PM
Like zillion times against Shibaev.

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Point taken, but still it’s too subjective, and there’s no process to appeal the decision. There should be clear criteria on what constitutes a service fault, and then there should be video check systems in place to enforce it. It is well within the realm of the current technology to automatically detect service faults. It’s just lack of will/investment.


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NextLevel
08-25-2018, 02:02 PM
Ito melting down. High risk high reward.

zeio
08-25-2018, 02:03 PM
Ito has contracted Hirano's habit of blacking out - dropping 6 match points.

Daniel Hasson
08-25-2018, 02:04 PM
I don't think i've seen so many chokes in a one tournament as this. Pitchford choking after having 10-6 against ZYD and now Ito after having 10-4(!!!).

JesperStef
08-25-2018, 02:08 PM
As we’re discussing legal/illegal serves, what do you guys think about Mima Ito’s showel serve?

Sali
08-25-2018, 02:13 PM
So know zeio who is the worst in Japan National team considering endings? Where is your brilliant points analysis

Loopadoop
08-25-2018, 02:15 PM
Upset R8

Jia Wen WR#174 4-3 Mima Ito WR#6

Takkyu_wa_inochi
08-25-2018, 02:18 PM
ITO was up 3-2 and 10-4 in the 6th , WEN saved 7 match points !!! holy shit

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 02:38 PM
As we’re discussing legal/illegal serves, what do you guys think about Mima Ito’s showel serve?

Blatantly illegal and repeatedly so. I didn't focus on Wen Jia but I could see how Ito wins so many points on serve and attack or just outright serve.

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 02:40 PM
So know zeio who is the worst in Japan National team considering endings? Where is your brilliant points analysis

We know zeio has a bad bout of Kishikawa disease. It's a disease where all bad things are done by Ishikawa and all good things are done by anyone on the JNT under the age of 20.

laistrogian
08-25-2018, 03:07 PM
Just watched the samsonov vs harimoto and it struck me how we're not going to see the table tennis I grew up watching anymore.

It's not about putting a lot of spin on a ball anymore compared to smacking back the ball as soon as possible

JesperStef
08-25-2018, 03:11 PM
Blatantly illegal and repeatedly so. I didn't focus on Wen Jia but I could see how Ito wins so many points on serve and attack or just outright serve.

Just my point. And the same goes for MANY players showel serves, I'd say? :confused:

A few years ago, when the showel serve "became mainstream", I was actually worried that this type of serve could be a major problem for table tennis. Luckily, this has not been the case yet...

Konrad Bak
08-25-2018, 03:19 PM
table tennis is dead.

Joepole
08-25-2018, 03:40 PM
Long live table tennis

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 03:43 PM
Just my point. And the same goes for MANY players showel serves, I'd say? :confused:

A few years ago, when the showel serve "became mainstream", I was actually worried that this type of serve could be a major problem for table tennis. Luckily, this has not been the case yet...

These things can be fixed with a culture of enforcement but it seems that people are somewhat satisfied with the ugly grey area we currently have. In any case, it is worth pointing out the impact on the match quality every once in s while especially when one player is serving with visible contact and the other is not.

Sali
08-25-2018, 04:49 PM
These things can be fixed with a culture of enforcement but it seems that people are somewhat satisfied with the ugly grey area we currently have. In any case, it is worth pointing out the impact on the match quality every once in s while especially when one player is serving with visible contact and the other is not.
I think pointing out wrong serves by sterger is very good for the sport. As long as players will point out what is wrong to the judges it can change a lot. I remember I think 2 years ago at Polish open when steger was playing freitas he was arguing that freitas serves wrong and the umpire started noticing it - finally steger won the match.

BTW: last point freitas vs habesohn - amazing

vik
08-25-2018, 05:57 PM
Who is pitchford couch? Woman?17307

Konrad Bak
08-25-2018, 06:40 PM
Yup she is very positive coach

Richie
08-25-2018, 07:10 PM
She seems to be a good mental coach.. but she doesn't seem to give any actual practical advice, I'd prefer to hear, or would like to hear that too that if I were Liam.

zeio
08-25-2018, 07:16 PM
Is she the woman Pitchford mentioned?

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 07:37 PM
Is she the woman Pitchford mentioned?

Yes, she is the sports/movement psychologist.

Brs
08-25-2018, 07:43 PM
Yes, she is the sports/movement psychologist.

Whatever she is, it seems to be working. Or else Pitchford is just having a great year from luck or good karma, but whatever he has been doing, he should stick with it.

Brs
08-25-2018, 07:49 PM
Yes, she is the sports/movement psychologist.


Blatantly illegal and repeatedly so. I didn't focus on Wen Jia but I could see how Ito wins so many points on serve and attack or just outright serve.

Isn't hiding serves the standard in international play now? Who has legal punch serves?

Ito also wins a lot of points on her high-toss backspin serve which does appear legal to me.

As far as her meltdown, she is always capable of winning or losing 6 or 8 points in a row. Inherent in the SP and also her forehand style I guess. She goes for a lot of hard flat shots that have little safety but are also nearly unreturnable. A little bit different and fun to watch, imo.

NextLevel
08-25-2018, 07:58 PM
Isn't hiding serves the standard in international play now? Who has legal punch serves?



The guys from the UK would tell you Pitchford. Though I found it interesting that the punch serve disappeared vs ZPF.

zeio
08-25-2018, 08:12 PM
Choke Open 2018...

Tiago Nunes
08-25-2018, 08:28 PM
Amazing win from Marcos. 4-3 vs Harimoto!!

talbon
08-25-2018, 09:31 PM
Just watched the samsonov vs harimoto and it struck me how we're not going to see the table tennis I grew up watching anymore.

It's not about putting a lot of spin on a ball anymore compared to smacking back the ball as soon as possible
Not sure I agree. You have players like Boll and Freitas in or around the top 15 still.

Even these Harimoto vs Samsonov encounters, for me, highlight how much control and tactics can mitigate a fast off-the-bounce playstyle. That's with Samsonov being so slow and poor at covering his middle at times (given his standard of play).

If only he could move his ass a bit more and go all out (and cho back at Harimoto)... Sometimes it feels like he is on the verge of utterly crushing Harimoto... moving much faster and more smoothly, finding angles and controlling from his ground line. Then play resumes and he is back to 40+ Vladi :) Sigh, he even had the crowd quite clearly on his side at this open...

talbon
08-25-2018, 10:24 PM
Besides, after watching many Harimoto matchups, it seems that beyond (and perhaps more than) his fast-paced playstyle, a real strength of Harimoto is his serve and 3rd ball. It's surprising just how many easy 3rd ball kills HT gets. I wouldn't be surprised if a player who can deny him those would get to see a different face of Harimoto.

His pendulum serve looks the same as every other Joe's pendulum serve, but it must be deceptive because EVERYONE tries to touch it short to his FH and EVERYONE pops it high. On top of that, Harimoto has an amazing FH flip. I can't think of a better FH flip as his, off the top of my head. It stands out like Eloi's would. (It is actually a mystery to me as to why players still go for the short FH return against him)

His 3rd ball against returns to his long BH (push or flick) is also really good. For a while his short BH was weaker, but nowadays his 3rd ball banana flick is rather good. (Freitas did give him some trouble with a short reverse pendulum to his BH though.) Nobody really ever goes for long or half long pushes to his FH. In general people still play to his BH a lot despite knowing how strong it is.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
08-26-2018, 12:07 AM
She is Liam Pitchford ‘s girlfriend

Loopadoop
08-26-2018, 01:44 AM
She is Liam Pitchford ‘s girlfriend

Who ?

JesperStef
08-26-2018, 11:50 AM
Results from Day 5 (Sat 25 August 2018)

Men's Singles

Quarter-finals:

Liam Pitchford 4:1 Dimitrij Ovtcharov [1] (13:11, 10:12, 11:4, 11:7, 11:6)
Zheng Peifeng 4:2 Bastian Steger [13] (11:9, 11:5, 9:11, 7:11, 11:5, 11:4)

[4] Marcos Freitas 4:1 Daniel Habesohn (11:6, 9:11, 11:6, 11:6, 11:3)
[2] Tomokazu Harimoto 4:2 Patrick Franziska [9] (2:11, 11:4, 7:11, 11:9, 11:9, 11:8)

Semi-finals:

Zheng Peifeng 4:1 Liam Pitchford (11:8, 11:7, 11:13, 11:5, 11:9)
[4] Marcos Freitas 4:3 Tomokazu Harimoto [2] (11:5, 1:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:8, 5:11, 11:6)


Women's Singles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:2 Adriana Diaz (12:14, 11:5, 11:7, 11:6, 9:11, 11:5)
[7] Saki Shibata 4:3 Miu Hirano [3] (11:9, 12:10, 12:10, 7:11, 8:11, 4:11, 11:7)

Wu Yang 4:1 Sabine Winter (11:3, 11:5, 11:2, 11:13, 11:9)
Wen Jia 4:3 Mima Ito [2] (4:11, 11:7, 10:12, 11:5, 7:11, 13:11, 11:7)

Semi-finals:

[1] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:1 Saki Shibata [7] (11:7, 12:10, 11:6, 11:13, 11:6)
Wen Jia 4:1 Wu Yang (8:11, 11:4, 11:6, w.o. due to injury)

Atas Newton
08-26-2018, 12:03 PM
Wen Jia losing 2 games to a foreigner! And now the third. Not just any foreigner - someone as weak as Ishikawa.
Just retire Wen Jia.

Sali
08-26-2018, 12:24 PM
One chinese down one to go

ILoveTT
08-26-2018, 12:26 PM
Come on Freitas. NOt seen Freitas in a final forr long time

NextLevel
08-26-2018, 12:26 PM
One chinese down one to go

zeio must be in shock. Kasumi actually beat someone who beat Mima Ito - kishikawa syndrome in overdrive!

Atas Newton
08-26-2018, 12:29 PM
Gratz to Kasumi, but what a tournament from Wen Jia. One can only imagine what perseverance it took her to stay at CNT all this time and get to a final at 29 years of age. And by the way, I think it was a let serve after all:https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tabletennisdaily.com%2Fforum%2Fcache.php%3Fimg%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fi.imgur.com%252FzvrRfTm.png

Suga D
08-26-2018, 12:41 PM
17303

:p
[Emoji12][Emoji12][Emoji6]

Takkyu_wa_inochi
08-26-2018, 12:43 PM
Wen Jia losing 2 games to a foreigner! And now the third. Not just any foreigner - someone as weak as Ishikawa.
Just retire Wen Jia.

CNT just wanted to thank ISHIKAWA for all the fun during those years and sent their pre-retired player so she can at last beat someone !

btw WEN Jia may not be the best CNT member but i vote for her as being the prettiest !

talbon
08-26-2018, 01:04 PM
Adam Bobrow having a fun tournament at the expense of Freitas thanks to the consistently not bouncy floor :rolleyes:

Sali
08-26-2018, 01:07 PM
The amount of spin freitas is producing causing big problems for hitters like ZPF or harimoto

talbon
08-26-2018, 01:14 PM
Yes, archetypal spin-oriented player.

Ilia Minkin
08-26-2018, 01:30 PM
Hopefully Zheng Peifeng will not tear something in his body during the match...

Daniel Hasson
08-26-2018, 01:46 PM
Ugh!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of china winning all the time i hate china they are ruining the sport and people who keep supporting and wanting these freaking chinese players to win all the time are idiots!!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of it everytime it's the same thing i ****ing hate china!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TurboZ
08-26-2018, 01:51 PM
Wow! Freitas can't cope with a change of pace with softer shots from an injured ZPF. I thought ZPF's RPB style is less effective against left hand player. But the deflated ZPF came out beating Freitas 4:2. Well done. Hope to see more of him and other second tier CNT players in the future. :)

Suga D
08-26-2018, 01:52 PM
Ugh!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of china winning all the time i hate china they are ruining the sport and people who keep supporting and wanting these freaking chinese players to win all the time are idiots!!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of it everytime it's the same thing i ****ing hate china!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, where did all of this come from?
[Emoji15]
Not very sportsmanlike.
There's a simple solution for you mate:
stop whining, practice harder, play better & win.

RidTheKid
08-26-2018, 01:55 PM
Nonsense. The ones who want players who are'nt the best to win are idiots. Seeing as China has many great players they usually win. Wanna do something about it? Train harder. Whining is for losers.


Ugh!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of china winning all the time i hate china they are ruining the sport and people who keep supporting and wanting these freaking chinese players to win all the time are idiots!!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of it everytime it's the same thing i ****ing hate china!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ping fun
08-26-2018, 02:08 PM
17303

After many times of scolding by zeio at last ishikawa did it ...

Atas Newton
08-26-2018, 02:12 PM
Ugh!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of china winning all the time i hate china they are ruining the sport and people who keep supporting and wanting these freaking chinese players to win all the time are idiots!!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of it everytime it's the same thing i ****ing hate china!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks for coming out, adding you to my ignore list :-)

Daniel Hasson
08-26-2018, 02:12 PM
Let me ask you this: do you really find interesting when the same players from the same damn country keep winning all the time?

Daniel Hasson
08-26-2018, 02:14 PM
And ban me if you want to, this forum just seems to be filled with people with very stranges tastes who apparently still enjoy watching table tennis even when it's almost everytime the same damn players from the country who win

talbon
08-26-2018, 02:29 PM
Oh, are these top players mostly all born in the country? Mhhmm, I don't mind. It'd be boring if they were all born in the same crowded cities.

Just kidding, I'm with you. Damn these country bumpkins.

Suga D
08-26-2018, 02:37 PM
And ban me if you want to, this forum just seems to be filled with people with very stranges tastes who apparently still enjoy watching table tennis even when it's almost everytime the same damn players from the country who win

So why do you come here then? Do you just enjoy insulting everyone with your hatred and childish nonsense?
Boo f*cking hoo

What would be your solution to this then? Any suggestions?

NextLevel
08-26-2018, 02:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this was another Sebas incarnation.

UpSideDownCarl
08-26-2018, 03:11 PM
Ugh!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of china winning all the time i hate china they are ruining the sport and people who keep supporting and wanting these freaking chinese players to win all the time are idiots!!!!!!!! I'm just so sick of it everytime it's the same thing i ****ing hate china!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And ban me if you want to, this forum just seems to be filled with people with very stranges tastes who apparently still enjoy watching table tennis even when it's almost everytime the same damn players from the country who win

Sorry, but can you explain to me if there was any reasoning behind you making these comments.

I am fine with you not wanting the same results every time. I am fine with you wanting different countries to win some of the time. Or....even....all of the time.

But was there a reason for you making these over the top aggressive posts while voicing sentiments that might be considered racist and attacking a generalized idea of forum members as a group for their personal taste and who they choose to root for?




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tropical
08-26-2018, 04:10 PM
There are many people who support and don't support China to win. But calling those people who support Chinese players idiots is indeed bad. I definitely want others than CNT members to win major tournaments but I do like some of them because of their skills. I think there is a saying if you can't beat them then join them ha ha ... and you'd feel much better.

perham
08-26-2018, 06:06 PM
Sorry, but can you explain to me if there was any reasoning behind you making these comments.

I am fine with you not wanting the same results every time. I am fine with you wanting different countries to win some of the time. Or....even....all of the time.

But was there a reason for you making these over the top aggressive posts while voicing sentiments that might be considered racist and attacking a generalized idea of forum members as a group for their personal taste and who they choose to root for?




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Looks like an obvious trolling attempt to me.


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UpSideDownCarl
08-26-2018, 06:12 PM
Looks like an obvious trolling attempt to me.

This is true. I am just trying to give him enough rope......[emoji2]


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Garrison
08-26-2018, 07:45 PM
17313

Let's play a round of Can you spot the ball? I think it is important to keep adressing this issue despite Zheng playing really well. Players seem to test the limits more and more. Either ITTF finds ways to enforce the rules or they allow it all because the current state just harms the players that actually try to play "clean".

JesperStef
08-26-2018, 08:40 PM
Results from Day 6 (Sun 26 August 2018)

Men's Singles

Final:

Zheng Peifeng 4:2 Marcos Freitas [4] (13:11, 6:11, 8:11, 11:7, 11:8, 11:6)


Women's Singles

Final:

[1] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:2 Wen Jia (8:11, 11:8, 11:4, 7:11, 11:6, 13:11)


Men's Doubles

Final:

[1] Patrick Franziska/Jonathan Groth 3:1 Mattias Falck/Kristian Karlsson [4] (11:5, 9:11, 12:10, 11:7)


Women's Doubles

Final:

Liu Gaoyang/Zhang Rui 3:0 Sun Jiayi/Zeng Jian (11:6, 13:11, 11:2)

Joepole
08-26-2018, 08:44 PM
The problem is we can keep addressing the issue on forums but how do we make the ITTF deal with it. It strikes me that there is no will on their behalf. The rules exist and are clear enough, a policy of enforcement would soon change the culture of cheating being acceptable within the sport.
The only players who don't serve illegally are the English ones. :)

talbon
08-26-2018, 09:00 PM
Let's play a round of Can you spot the ball? I think it is important to keep adressing this issue despite Zheng playing really well. Players seem to test the limits more and more. Either ITTF finds ways to enforce the rules or they allow it all because the current state just harms the players that actually try to play "clean".
ZPF has some of the most deliberately illegal serves I've seen in a while. I don't like him. He's somewhat rude too.

jawien
08-27-2018, 08:35 AM
Point taken, but still it’s too subjective, and there’s no process to appeal the decision. There should be clear criteria on what constitutes a service fault, and then there should be video check systems in place to enforce it. It is well within the realm of the current technology to automatically detect service faults. It’s just lack of will/investment.


Totally agree. They would only need to place cameras on both ends of the net clamps and the rest of the technology is there - even automatic.

Atas Newton
08-27-2018, 10:14 AM
ZPF has some of the most deliberately illegal serves I've seen in a while. I don't like him. He's somewhat rude too.
the guy apologizes for taking a medical timeout, gets called rude, smh

talbon
08-27-2018, 11:38 AM
the guy apologizes for taking a medical timeout, gets called rude, smh
I called him "somewhat rude" for his general attitude during his matches, not after his matches. Maybe his eagerness to be successful on the world tour is just showing, and that may change over time. For now I don't like it.

My impression of him is necessarily subjective, but some of it not so much: bitching and playing victim when he gets called on his deliberately illegal serves. ZPF dude, please stop pretending you don't know and stop bitching. What do you think of that serve? https://youtu.be/XMNOnsd_Yhg?t=1m50s Niiiice, comes at 9-7 too. Of course it's all happenstance. Nice fairplay.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMNOnsd_Yhg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m50s

Good to apologize about the medical timeout. He understands that it disrupted the flow of the game and gave him time to rally himself, when the momentum was turning heavily against him. Freitas didn't play very well afterwards anyway, so I don't care much for who won.

TTHopeful
08-27-2018, 11:47 AM
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Let's play a round of Can you spot the ball? I think it is important to keep adressing this issue despite Zheng playing really well. Players seem to test the limits more and more. Either ITTF finds ways to enforce the rules or they allow it all because the current state just harms the players that actually try to play "clean".

This camera angle, plus as a left hander returning would be tough to see. But a right hander might be able to see it.

The problem is if the ITTF open up the rules to allow players to cover up the ball it will become impossible to return serves. How can you control this rule?

Garrison
08-27-2018, 03:18 PM
This camera angle, plus as a left hander returning would be tough to see. But a right hander might be able to see it.

The problem is if the ITTF open up the rules to allow players to cover up the ball it will become impossible to return serves. How can you control this rule?

An extra ref in the big matches that sits in the middle might be a start. I think Timo Boll has been suggesting this before.

tropical
08-27-2018, 04:06 PM
An extra ref in the big matches that sits in the middle might be a start. I think Timo Boll has been suggesting this before.

I've suggested it before that to enforce the rule it is needed to have an extra referee. Then the question is cost, manpower, subjectivity ... so maybe a better solution is a camera and referee can review it if anyone complains he/she could not see the ball. A better solution is forfeit the rule! Everyone must learn how to read the ball by trajectory, lettering (make the ball easier to see rotation) ...

drunix80
08-27-2018, 04:17 PM
This camera angle, plus as a left hander returning would be tough to see. But a right hander might be able to see it.

The problem is if the ITTF open up the rules to allow players to cover up the ball it will become impossible to return serves. How can you control this rule?
It is fair to discuss the serve aspect but dont think Zheng got any advantage of serves as Freitas was receiving quite well.

Ilia Minkin
08-27-2018, 04:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CQwO7rkSVw