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PatriciaPinheiro
09-27-2018, 11:12 AM
I searched a bit and didn't find a topic about the WWC event that starts tomorrow, held in Chengdu/CHINA so...

Let's do a health discussion about it and enjoy the amazing matches these women will present to us

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zeio
09-27-2018, 11:18 AM
Let's do a health discussion about it...
Retire, Ishikawa!

Sali
09-27-2018, 01:02 PM
China will be beaten on their home soil by..............................ISHIKAWA

ping fun
09-27-2018, 01:37 PM
Retire, Ishikawa!

Haha ... Here we Go !!! She's having fun in china with The fans she didnt expect to have .... This Time she will do better .


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PatriciaPinheiro
09-27-2018, 01:47 PM
Stage 1 draw, September 27thhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/207ce7c911a92e8acc41e8db23e62b8f.jpg

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zeio
09-27-2018, 08:37 PM
Promotional video done right. ITTF could take a page here. I subbed it so people could get a feel how it's like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN7-Uu86CbI

JesperStef
09-27-2018, 10:03 PM
Top 8 seeds (directly qualified for Round of 16):

1) Zhu Yuling
2) Kasumi Ishikawa
3) Ding Ning
4) Cheng I-Ching
5) Miu Hirano
6) Suh Hyowon
7) Doo Hoi Kem
8) Sofia Polcanova

It will be really interesting to see the draw for the round of 16 matches:
- will the Chinese (#1 and #3) be in the same half - again?
- will the Japanese (#2 and #5) be in the same half - again?
- who will be in the "easy quarter" together with Cheng (#4)

I hope we don't end up with Zhu and Ding in the same half and Ishikawa, Cheng, Hirano and maybe even Suh in the other half :eek:. But we'll see how it does... :)

PatriciaPinheiro
09-28-2018, 03:02 AM
Top 8 seeds (directly qualified for Round of 16):

1) Zhu Yuling
2) Kasumi Ishikawa
3) Ding Ning
4) Cheng I-Ching
5) Miu Hirano
6) Suh Hyowon
7) Doo Hoi Kem
8) Sofia Polcanova

It will be really interesting to see the draw for the round of 16 matches:
- will the Chinese (#1 and #3) be in the same half - again?
- will the Japanese (#2 and #5) be in the same half - again?
- who will be in the "easy quarter" together with Cheng (#4)

I hope we don't end up with Zhu and Ding in the same half and Ishikawa, Cheng, Hirano and maybe even Suh in the other half :eek:. But we'll see how it does... :)

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sadly, if I didn't understand wrong, there is no possibility of a all China Finals, ZY and DN (hopefully) will clash in semis, as for Japan's they might get a hypothetical chance if HM is seeded in the first half, but let's be honest, if so she'll be doomed, Cheng is in the second half together with Kasumi
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zeio
09-28-2018, 05:12 AM
There will be no all-China final, that's for certain. DN and ZYL will be in the same half. It's been widely reported in the news.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-28-2018, 07:50 AM
More chances to see a surprise in the Women's World Cup than in the Men's this year ?

Are ZHU Yuling and DING Ning for this competition which is not their top priority ?

Sali
09-28-2018, 08:06 AM
I think north korea Kim Song I can cause some surprises in the main draw

Loopadoop
09-28-2018, 08:20 AM
I think north korea Kim Song I can cause some surprises in the main draw

She plays Matilda Ekholm in few minutes on table 2 at 1630 their time. Both are 1-0 in their group.

ping fun
09-28-2018, 08:35 AM
What if Bernie goes to Final ???

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Sali
09-28-2018, 08:40 AM
What if Bernie goes to Final ???



I would love to but I really doubt she can kill chinese guns. If you watch her played she has a lot of ups and downs during match. If she could keep ups then she can defeat anyone.

zeio
09-28-2018, 08:56 AM
More chances to see a surprise in the Women's World Cup than in the Men's this year ?

Are ZHU Yuling and DING Ning for this competition which is not their top priority ?

Of the 3 majors, the World Cup has always been regarded with the least emphasis by the CNT. That's why you see way more upsets for this title than the other two, especially after the previous Olympic cycle - Boll in 2005, Samsonov in 2009, Hirano in 2016, Ovtcharov(or Boll) in 2017.

ping fun
09-28-2018, 09:40 AM
I would love to but I really doubt she can kill chinese guns. If you watch her played she has a lot of ups and downs during match. If she could keep ups then she can defeat anyone.

Yeah I know but it seems like a wish for tt lovers .

Filip
09-28-2018, 10:35 AM
Of the 3 majors, the World Cup has always been regarded with the least emphasis by the CNT. That's why you see way more upsets for this title than the other two, especially after the previous Olympic cycle - Boll in 2005, Samsonov in 2009, Hirano in 2016, Ovtcharov(or Boll) in 2017.

It is a part of the answer maybe, but the world cup is every year AND there are less chinese players

zeio
09-28-2018, 10:42 AM
Holy crap. There will very likely be an all-China final after all.

Hirano and Ishikawa are drawn in the same quarter.

zeio
09-28-2018, 10:50 AM
It is a part of the answer maybe, but the world cup is every year AND there are less chinese players

That's pretty much the official answer. And there are equally less foreign players as well. Samsonov took out WLQ in 2001. Boll took out KLH and WLQ in 2002. Boll took out WLQ, MLin, and WH in 2005. RSM took out WLQ and MLin, losing out to WH in the final in 2007. Samsonov took out Chen Qi and ML in 2009. Boll took out LGY and ML in 2017. See a pattern? Most of them tend to happen a year after the previous Olympics.

PatriciaPinheiro
09-28-2018, 11:34 AM
Main draw

All China finals, like said above, it's possible now and a possible shorter run for JP

Anyone knows why they changed the seed?

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ping fun
09-28-2018, 11:47 AM
Main draw

All China finals, like said above, it's possible now and a possible shorter run for JP

Anyone knows why they changed the seed?

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Ding ning : I'll see you in FINAL sister !!


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drunix80
09-28-2018, 11:50 AM
Ding ning : I'll see you in FINAL sister !!


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I still have hopes for Ishikawa.

NextLevel
09-28-2018, 01:32 PM
Main draw

All China finals, like said above, it's possible now and a possible shorter run for JP

Anyone knows why they changed the seed?

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They did not change the seed, people just didnt understand how the snake seed works in forming the draw. Even with the seeding, the only two people you are sure will not be on the same half of the draw are seeds 1 and 2 (as a pair) and seeds 3 and 4 ( as a pair). The rest is slightly more complicated. But you have to see the draw before you can know for sure whether 1 and 3 or 1 and 4 or 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 are on the same pr opposite sides of the draw.

Brs
09-28-2018, 01:49 PM
Sad my favorites MI and LSW aren't playing. Will be rooting for the Olympic bronze medalist from PRK.

PatriciaPinheiro
09-28-2018, 02:08 PM
I get it, I did understand that 3 and for would be 8 and 9 subsequently, guess I got it wrong

Thank you
They did not change the seed, people just didnt understand how the snake seed works in forming the draw. Even with the seeding, the only two people you are sure will not be on the same half of the draw are seeds 1 and 2 (as a pair) and seeds 3 and 4 ( as a pair). The rest is slightly more complicated. But you have to see the draw before you can know for sure whether 1 and 3 or 1 and 4 or 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 are on the same pr opposite sides of the draw.

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zeio
09-28-2018, 02:21 PM
Main draw

All China finals, like said above, it's possible now and a possible shorter run for JP

Anyone knows why they changed the seed?

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Here's why.
https://i.imgur.com/TA3SbDV.jpg?1

RogerH
09-28-2018, 04:31 PM
Does anyone know why Mima Ito is not included in this event ?

zeio
09-28-2018, 06:38 PM
Does anyone know why Mima Ito is not included in this event ?

The players had to qualify in their respective continental cup. The Asian Cup was an invitation event. Hirano was invited as the 2017 Asian Champion. Ishikawa was invited as the WR4. The world ranking in January for Ishikawa, Ito and Hirano was 4, 5 and 6. Poor Ito.

https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/Prospectus_2018-Asian-Cup-20180328.pdf

PatriciaPinheiro
09-28-2018, 06:42 PM
The players had to qualify in their respective continental cup. The Asian Cup was an invitation event. Hirano was invited as the 2017 Asian Champion. Ishikawa was invited as the WR4. The world ranking in January for Ishikawa, Ito and Hirano was 4, 5 and 6. Poor Ito.

https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/Prospectus_2018-Asian-Cup-20180328.pdfA pity, the only one that stood big chances between the 3 and a delightful style of playing for the eyes

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JesperStef
09-28-2018, 09:10 PM
Results from Day 1 (Fri 28 September 2018):

Group A:
[18] Kim Song I 4:1 Li Jie, NED [9] (11:6, 7:11, 11:3, 11:8, 12:10)
[14] Matilda Ekholm 4:2 Li Jie, NED [9] (7:11, 11:6, 11:6, 11:6, 8:11, 12:10)
[18] Kim Song I 4:3 Matilda Ekholm [14] (11:9, 6:11, 11:9, 7:11, 11:4, 7:11, 12:10)


Group B:
[10] Elizabeta Samara 4:3 Dina Meshref [17] (11:9, 8:11, 3:11, 9:11, 11:4, 13:11, 11:7)
[10] Elizabeta Samara 4:3 Chen Szu-Yu [13] (11:7, 6:11, 8:11, 7:11, 11:6, 13:11, 13:11)
[13] Chen Szu-Yu 4:0 Dina Meshref [17] (11:9, 11:6, 11:9, 11:7)


Group C:
[11] Zhang Mo, CAN 4:3 Jian Fang Lay, AUS [20] (6:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 11:8, 8:11, 11:6)
[15] Georgina Pota 4:1 Zhang Mo, CAN [11] (11:7, 11:6, 7:11, 16:14, 12:10)
[20] Jian Fang Lay, AUS 4:1 Georgina Pota [15] (11:7, 11:6, 11:2, 10:12, 11:5)


Group D:
[12] Bernadette Szocs 4:2 Wu Yue, USA [19] (11:6, 11:4, 11:9, 9:11, 9:11, 11:9)
[12] Bernadette Szocs 4:2 Liu Jia, AUT [16] (11:9, 9:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:8, 11:6)
[16] Liu Jia, AUT 4:3 Wu Yue, USA [19] (11:9, 9:11, 9:11, 8:11, 11:4, 11:8, 11:6)

Loopadoop
09-29-2018, 12:07 AM
So the format was to eliminate 4 players in the group RR with a final 16 in the main draw.

atrapa
09-29-2018, 04:28 AM
is there any possibility to watch it live in europe?

Loopadoop
09-29-2018, 05:22 AM
Miu Hirano was in the zone vs chopper Kim Song I winning 4-0

zeio
09-29-2018, 05:34 AM
And Ishikawa shaky as ever. Was down 1:2 in games, and 4:8 in game 4.

RogerH
09-29-2018, 07:42 AM
Great shame Ito is not playing. She is my favourite player.

Sali
09-29-2018, 08:10 AM
What happened with the stream???

Loopadoop
09-29-2018, 11:18 AM
No surprises !

Top 4 seeds in semifinals

Top 8 seeds in round of 8

zeio
09-29-2018, 11:20 AM
No surprises !

Top 4 seeds in semifinals

Top 8 seeds in round of 8

Waiting for "the new ITTF ranking system is a joke!"

ping fun
09-29-2018, 11:22 AM
Ishikawa is doing great , at least till now vs no chinese !! Will she play in Final too ??!!!! :confused:

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-29-2018, 12:18 PM
Hirano really struggling. She needs to change something. She's in a slump

JesperStef
09-29-2018, 12:28 PM
No surprises !

Top 4 seeds in semifinals

Top 8 seeds in round of 8

Yeah, tournaments like this - and the Asian Games - with a very limited number of players per country are often not very exciting in the Women’s singles :-(

However, on the World Tour I feel that this has been a excellent year for Women’s TT - mainly due to the China vs Japan rivalry which is becoming more and more interesting :-)

Heck, even the “China vs China” matches have mostly been great ;-)

But with only two Chinese and Japanese players present, there just aren’t that many potential REALLY high quality match ups :-/

Sali
09-29-2018, 12:31 PM
Hirano really struggling. She needs to change something. She's in a slump

Mostly serve and receive problems. Most of her sidespin serves went long and Ishikawa killed them all. Also look how she answered backspin medium long serve (those with high toss) - all of them long and Kasumi was just waiting to kill again.

zeio
09-29-2018, 03:39 PM
Ishikawa is doing great , at least till now vs no chinese !! Will she play in Final too ??!!!! :confused:
https://i.imgur.com/fnkW6R4.jpg?1

JesperStef
09-29-2018, 06:10 PM
Results from Day 2 (Sat 29 October 2018):

Round of 16:

[1] Zhu Yuling 4:0 Matilda Ekholm [14] (11:8, 11:5, 11:7, 11:5)
[8] Sofia Polcanova 4:0 Elizabeta Samara [10] (11:9, 11:8, 11:9, 11:6)

[7] Doo Hoi Kem 4:2 Bernadette Szocs [12] (6:11, 11:6, 12:10, 11:6, 16:18, 11:8)
[4] Cheng I-Ching 4:0 Georgina Pota [15] (11:6, 11:8, 20:18, 13:11)

[3] Ding Ning 4:0 Liu Jia, AUT [16] (11:7, 11:9, 11:4, 11:7)
[6] Suh Hyowon 4:3 Jian Fang Lay, AUS [20] (11:6, 11:4, 4:11, 11:4, 6:11, 9:11, 11:6)

[5] Miu Hirano 4:0 Kim Song I [18] (11:7, 11:9, 11:5, 11:3)
[2] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:2 Chen Szu-Yu [13] (4:11, 5:11, 11:7, 11:9, 11:8, 11:8)


Quarter-finals:

[1] Zhu Yuling 4:0 Sofia Polcanova [8] (11:6, 14:12, 11:8, 11:4)
[4] Cheng I-Ching 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem [7] (8:11, 9:11, 13:11, 11:9, 11:6, 11:3)

[3] Ding Ning 4:1 Suh Hyowon [6] (11:6, 11:3, 5:11, 11:6, 11:3)
[2] Kasumi Ishikawa 4:1 Miu Hirano [5] (4:11, 11:7, 11:9, 11:6, 11:3)

zeio
09-29-2018, 06:21 PM
“石川佳纯的球技最近有新的改变和进步,我虽然在8月的保加利亚公开赛战胜了她,但过程比较艰苦,所以,明天的半决赛应该也很艰难,希望自己发挥更好。”丁宁表示。
"Kasumi Ishikawa's skills have recently undergone new changes and progress. Although I defeated her in the Bulgarian Open in August, the match was rather difficult, so tomorrow's semi-final should be very difficult, I hope I can play better." Ding Ning said.

drunix80
09-29-2018, 08:05 PM
“石川佳纯的球技最近有新的改变和进步,我虽然在8月的保加利亚公开赛战胜了她,但过程比较艰苦,所以,明天的半决赛应该也很艰难,希望自己发挥更好。”丁宁表示。
"Kasumi Ishikawa's skills have recently undergone new changes and progress. Although I defeated her in the Bulgarian Open in August, the match was rather difficult, so tomorrow's semi-final should be very difficult, I hope I can play better." Ding Ning said.

So dont retire yet Ishikawa. For once your victory would make zeio to stop posting about your retirement. LOL

I have a good feeling she can go past DN this time. DN has not been in invincible form of late and this is Ishikawa"s best chance.

zeio
09-30-2018, 02:07 AM
This is the typical CNT PR, every single time. Li Xiaoxia said she expected a difficult match against Fukuhara in the SF at Rio Olympics. Memory of the outcome is still fresh...

You know what's dangerous? When they don't take their opponents seriously. They blame it on "injury" for DN's surprise straight-game defeat to Minnie Soo at the WTTC, right? A few days later, along with DN, Li Sun debunked that on national television, explaining that it was no injury, but in fact was due to her "on vacation" attitude.

zeio
09-30-2018, 03:05 AM
https://i.imgur.com/fnkW6R4.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/96UIvEV.png

zeio
09-30-2018, 05:14 AM
谈到半决赛的对手,是世界女王丁宁,本身实力出色,而且她有东道主的优势,石川称已经找到克制丁宁的有效方法:“为了找到战胜丁宁的对策)已经特意找了很多左撇子选手进行针对性的训练,并且苦练了模拟对阵丁宁的接发球训练”,所以她显得信心十足。石川表示要向刚夺得美网女单冠军的大阪直美看齐,“她当时和小威的比赛,也是顶着东道主观众的一边倒应援的巨大压力,最终获胜,所以我也会向她学习!!”强调不会畏惧中国观众给丁宁的热情加油,要做“乒坛大阪直美”,创造奇迹。
When talking about the semi-final opponent, the world's queen Ding Ning, who has excellent strength and she has the home advantage, Ishikawa claimed that she has found an effective way to restrain Ding Ning: "In order to find a countermeasure against Ding Ning, I have found a lot of left-handed players for targeted training, and painstakingly simulated receiving Ding Ning's service", so she appeared confident. Ishikawa said that she wants to repeat the success of Naomi Osaka, who just won the US Open women’s singles championship. "Her final with Serena at the time was also a huge pressure backed by home crowd support, and she ultimately won, so I will learn from her!!" She emphasized that she will not fear the Chinese audience cheering on Ding Ning, and will strive for the miracle "Naomi Osaka of table tennis".

https://i.imgur.com/N9YUMKC.png?1

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-30-2018, 05:26 AM
@zeio

actually according to http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=87&Itemid=240&resetfilters=0&clearordering=0&clearfilters=0

its 14+1

I feel very sad for Kasumi its not fun for her

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic occasionnaly fall to other players ranked just below them. Kasumi couldn't get even ONE win from a top Chinese player, despite fighting them quite a lot of times in semis or finals.

zeio
09-30-2018, 05:31 AM
I gave her a pass and counted only the singles, how nice of me!

If you count the doubles too, it's 18+1 vs 1. Should've gone with that, seeing 1 >>> 0.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyELo1xBySg

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-30-2018, 05:39 AM
I gave her a pass and counted only the singles, how nice of me!

If you count the doubles too, it's 18+1 vs 1. Should've gone with that, seeing 1 >>> 0.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyELo1xBySg

German Open 2010 doubles final thats all for Kasumi. Fukuhara was on fire in that match !
Ding is not playing with Li Xiaoxia but another weaker Li.

ping fun
09-30-2018, 05:50 AM
谈到半决赛的对手,是世界女王丁宁,本身实力出色,而且她有东道主的优势,石川称已经找到克制丁宁的有效方法:“为了找到战胜丁宁的对策)已经特意找了很多左撇子选手进行针对性的训练,并且苦练了模拟对阵丁宁的接发球训练”,所以她显得信心十足。石川表示要向刚夺得美网女单冠军的大阪直美看齐,“她当时和小威的比赛,也是顶着东道主观众的一边倒应援的巨大压力,最终获胜,所以我也会向她学习!!”强调不会畏惧中国观众给丁宁的热情加油,要做“乒坛大阪直美”,创造奇迹。
When talking about the semi-final opponent, the world's queen Ding Ning, who has excellent strength and she has the home advantage, Ishikawa claimed that she has found an effective way to restrain Ding Ning: "In order to find a countermeasure against Ding Ning, I have found a lot of left-handed players for targeted training, and painstakingly simulated receiving Ding Ning's service", so she appeared confident. Ishikawa said that she wants to repeat the success of Naomi Osaka, who just won the US Open women’s singles championship. "Her final with Serena at the time was also a huge pressure backed by home crowd support, and she ultimately won, so I will learn from her!!" She emphasized that she will not fear the Chinese audience cheering on Ding Ning, and will strive for the miracle "Naomi Osaka of table tennis".

https://i.imgur.com/N9YUMKC.png?1

It was your Fault ! You gave her lots of stress in this game and she just wanted to prove you are wrong !!!!!

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Atas Newton
09-30-2018, 05:52 AM
Also never won against Li Xiaoxia 0-10 and Liu Shiwen 0-10. Kasumi is good, but just not as good as the cream of the crop, sadly. Her stats against the next gen Big 2 (Zhu Yuling and Chen Meng) aren't pretty either. At least she's got a win against a next-next gen star Sun Yingsha, 0-2 against Wang Manyu though.

zeio
09-30-2018, 08:40 AM
Ishikawa's weak handling of crucial point (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?17464-Harimoto-defeats-Fan-Zhendong-Asian-Cup-2018&p=227440&viewfull=1#post227440) struck again. She had the serve at 9:7 in game 3, and managed to blow 2 chance balls, and ultimately the game.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-30-2018, 09:20 AM
checked the stats, DING Ning had some unusual losses to underdogs, SOO, ITO, HIRANO, and further in the past, FUKUOKA, FUKUHARA, JIANG, and more notably the Korean choppers KIM, PARK... ISHIKAWA couldn't get ONE victory, even in a best-of-5, or in an ITTF open, or before DING was the big singles champion. Tough for her, though i like her very much.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-30-2018, 09:22 AM
DING up 2-0 against ZHU. Its gonna be tough for ZHU, she doesn't look too good in this match so far

zeio
09-30-2018, 10:01 AM
Right, in her early days, DN had trouble with choppers. And if you notice, many of the players up above play pips. Jiang Huajun for stance, was Zhang Yining's kryptonite(4 vs 1), and since DN plays a similar style(in ZYN's own words), so no wonder there.

mrk
09-30-2018, 10:18 AM
What a boring and predictable World Cup. Ishikawa is useless against chinese players. The only real threat is Mima Ito for China.

Atas Newton
09-30-2018, 10:39 AM
Two top players show top table tennis, but people are unhappy because both players are Chinese. Do you like table tennis or drama and media stories?

zeio
09-30-2018, 10:54 AM
Two top players show top table tennis, but people are unhappy because both players are Chinese. Do you like table tennis or drama and media stories?
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Danny21312
09-30-2018, 12:10 PM
What a boring and predictable World Cup. Ishikawa is useless against chinese players. The only real threat is Mima Ito for China.
Agree 10000%. I thought i was the only one who feels this way towards the expected finals we see often in table tennis.

zeio
09-30-2018, 12:44 PM
  “石川加油,赢一局!”看到不在状态的日本名将,现场友好的球迷喊出了这样的口号。“听到了,我也希望拿一局啊。”来到混合采访区,石川苦笑了起来。
  有细心的记者提到在落后时,失望的她摇头的动作,石川坦言:“可能不是因为自己打得不好,对手肯定很强,自己没有上风球,打得很下风。”上个月的保加利亚公开赛女单1/4决赛上,尽管也是不敌丁宁,但她以2-4告负,不同于今天的脆败。“
  我上次跟她打的时候自己的发挥很好,这一个月准备得比较多,对左手。(因为知道)能进半决赛的话就是对丁宁,不过还是前三板,还有相持的时候自己没有上风,今天的球一直都感觉是下风的球。”石川用流利的中文,进行了认真的赛后总结。
"Keep it up, Ishikawa. Take a game!" Seeing the Japanese star who is not on form, the friendly fans then hollered "I heard that, I also want to take a game." Ishikawa showed up with a wry smile in the mixed zone.

A reporter mentioned that when she was behind, she shook her head in disappointment. "Perhaps it's not because I played bad, the opponent is certainly very strong, I didn't have the upper hand." admitted Ishikawa. In the WS QF of the Bulgarian Open last month, even though she was also defeated by Ding Ning, she lost 2-4, a stark contrast from today's straight-game loss."

Last time we met, I played very well. I prepared more against lefties this past month, (because I knew) I would go up against DN if I could reach the SF.[She knew the draw ahead of time?] However, it's still the third ball, and in rallies that which I have no advantage. Today, I always felt like it was an uphill battle. " Ishikawa gave her analysis in fluent Chinese.


  对于他的“回归”,石川佳纯透露已经知晓,并直言随着刘国梁的归来中国队将实力大增:“我看新闻了。中国队对我们来说一直是很强大的对手,刘导回来了肯定更强大了,我们就做好自己。”
On LGL's "return", Ishikawa stated "I watched the news. The CNT has always been a very strong opponent, and it will definitely grow even stronger now that he's returned. We'll just do our best."

mrk
09-30-2018, 02:14 PM
Two top players show top table tennis, but people are unhappy because both players are Chinese. Do you like table tennis or drama and media stories?


Do you like boring World Cups and a boring 4:0 final? It wasn't even a close final. A World Tour is much more enjoyable because there are much more chinese players involved with an unpredictable outcome usually.

FruitLoop
09-30-2018, 03:46 PM
I think the World Cup does need a potential change of format. Is the Asian Cup invitation only? So you basically have an invite to get another invite. It should perhaps automatically include the top 5 world ranked players who didn't otherwise qualify or something.

LordPippington
09-30-2018, 04:46 PM
@zeio

actually according to http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=87&Itemid=240&resetfilters=0&clearordering=0&clearfilters=0

its 14+1

I feel very sad for Kasumi its not fun for her

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic occasionnaly fall to other players ranked just below them. Kasumi couldn't get even ONE win from a top Chinese player, despite fighting them quite a lot of times in semis or finals.

Now now... she has beaten Wu Yang several times. Ever since the new ball was put into play!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
09-30-2018, 05:16 PM
WU Yang is not a top exactly a top CNT player. She's Tier2.

drunix80
09-30-2018, 06:50 PM
Do you like boring World Cups and a boring 4:0 final? It wasn't even a close final. A World Tour is much more enjoyable because there are much more chinese players involved with an unpredictable outcome usually.

ZYL and DN have played some thrillers in the past. Noticeably in the last world champs. ZYL was just not at her best in this tournament may be because of recent blade change or whatever. Still, I would not say the final was boring. Infact the quality of the match was, I think, the best of the tournament. In the after match interview , DN's coach rated this match as her best in past 2 years.

zeio
09-30-2018, 07:45 PM
I think the World Cup does need a potential change of format. Is the Asian Cup invitation only? So you basically have an invite to get another invite. It should perhaps automatically include the top 5 world ranked players who didn't otherwise qualify or something.

The current format involving invitational continental cups was established in 2013 (http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62742&PID=756261&title=world-cup-2013#756261). The old format before then was an invitational event limited to roughly 20 players that include the world cup holder, world champion, continental representatives and top world-ranked players.

JesperStef
09-30-2018, 09:05 PM
Results from Day 3 (Sun 30 October 2018):

Semi-finals:

[1] Zhu Yuling 4:1 Cheng I-Ching [4] (11:6, 11:4, 11:13, 11:5, 11:8)
[3] Ding Ning 4:0 Kasumi Ishikawa [2] (11:7, 11:5, 11:3, 11:9)


3rd place match:

[4] Cheng I-Ching 4:1 Kasumi Ishikawa [2] (11:8, 11:7, 12:10, 13:15, 11:8)


Final:

[3] Ding Ning 4:0 Zhu Yuling [1] (11:9, 11:8, 12:10, 11:8)


Final standings:
Gold: Ding Ning (China) [3]
Silver: Zhu Yuling (China) [1]
Bronze: Cheng I-Ching (Chinese Taipei) [4]
4th place: Kasumi Ishikawa (Japan) [2]

Superdragon
10-01-2018, 12:25 AM
Ding Ning was world #6 before the tournament. How many spots will she move up after winning?

IMHO she should have been ranked #1 for quite some time.

phorkyas
10-01-2018, 09:55 AM
Couldn't agree more. DN seemed really pumped up. Some great rallies, fast off the bounce exchanges.
ZYL and DN have played some thrillers in the past. Noticeably in the last world champs. ZYL was just not at her best in this tournament may be because of recent blade change or whatever. Still, I would not say the final was boring. Infact the quality of the match was, I think, the best of the tournament. In the after match interview , DN's coach rated this match as her best in past 2 years.

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Sali
10-01-2018, 11:01 AM
Ding Ning was world #6 before the tournament. How many spots will she move up after winning?

IMHO she should have been ranked #1 for quite some time.
she is already rank no 2
https://www.ittf.com/rankings/

It is hard to say, she is not very regular she has some ups like now and after that she can loose to lower ranked players.
I think nowadays form is:
1. DN
2. LSW
3. WM
4. ZYL
5. CM

PatriciaPinheiro
10-01-2018, 11:23 AM
Ding Ning was world #6 before the tournament. How many spots will she move up after winning?

IMHO she should have been ranked #1 for quite some time.Agree, even if in not good shape, she got in finals in pretty much all opens she got in, specially considering she was, apparently, adept of competing only in very important competitions before the new system, so I think more she got pretty used to it.
the semis and finals yesterday she showed a great performance unlikely previous opens this year, that she oscillated between above average, so so and good performance, but even so managing to get a good ranking

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NextLevel
10-01-2018, 12:13 PM
she is already rank no 2
https://www.ittf.com/rankings/

It is hard to say, she is not very regular she has some ups like now and after that she can loose to lower ranked players.
I think nowadays form is:
1. DN
2. LSW
3. WM
4. ZYL
5. CM

Wang Manyu is likely higher than you think. Chen Meng is likely lower than you think. Just my opinion tho.

Sali
10-01-2018, 01:41 PM
Wang Manyu is likely higher than you think. Chen Meng is likely lower than you think. Just my opinion tho.
So you are assuming that WM is better then LSW and CM is maybe worse then other not mentioned chinese players like Xintong or SunYingsha. My opinion considered also last performances on international stage.
Wang lost recently to LSW and also Ito. So I think LSW is little bit better now and also Ding performance is very strong.
CM could be lower, but still her international experience is better then younger girls that is why I gave her 5th spot.
This assumption consider only top 5 chinese players.

NextLevel
10-01-2018, 02:00 PM
So you are assuming that WM is better then LSW and CM is maybe worse then other not mentioned chinese players like Xintong or SunYingsha. My opinion considered also last performances on international stage.
Wang lost recently to LSW and also Ito. So I think LSW is little bit better now and also Ding performance is very strong.
CM could be lower, but still her international experience is better then younger girls that is why I gave her 5th spot.
This assumption consider only top 5 chinese players.
I think if we did a round Robin with Wang Manyu, Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen, they would all have a good chance of winning depending on the day and the weather. Wang Manyu had come much further than I expected in such a short time. My point is that I am not sure Wang Manyu is clearly #3 and I am also not sure that Chen Meng is clearly #5, though I think the latter is closer to the truth.

Brs
10-01-2018, 02:31 PM
I think if we did a round Robin with Wang Manyu, Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen, they would all have a good chance of winning depending on the day and the weather. Wang Manyu had come much further than I expected in such a short time. My point is that I am not sure Wang Manyu is clearly #3 and I am also not sure that Chen Meng is clearly #5, though I think the latter is closer to the truth.

All I know is I would enjoy watching that RR a whole lot more than this WC. Add in Ito, ZYL and CM to make a 6-way RR and that would be one awesome tournament.

zeio
10-01-2018, 05:00 PM
"Keep it up, Ishikawa. Take a game!" Seeing the Japanese star who is not on form, the friendly fans then hollered "I heard that, I also want to take a game." Ishikawa showed up with a wry smile in the mixed zone.

A reporter mentioned that when she was behind, she shook her head in disappointment. "Perhaps it's not because I played bad, the opponent is certainly very strong, I didn't have the upper hand." admitted Ishikawa. In the WS QF of the Bulgarian Open last month, even though she was also defeated by Ding Ning, she lost 2-4, a stark contrast from today's straight-game loss."

Last time we met, I played very well. I prepared more against lefties this past month, (because I knew) I would go up against DN if I could reach the SF.[She knew the draw ahead of time?] However, it's still the third ball, and in rallies that which I have no advantage. Today, I always felt like it was an uphill battle. " Ishikawa gave her analysis in fluent Chinese.


On LGL's "return", Ishikawa stated "I watched the news. The CNT has always been a very strong opponent, and it will definitely grow even stronger now that he's returned. We'll just do our best."

https://i.imgur.com/52alBff.jpg

TTHopeful
10-01-2018, 06:32 PM
Ding Ning all the way!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-01-2018, 09:57 PM
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F52alBff.jpg

Someone should tell her its not the proper place to take a crap

zeio
10-02-2018, 03:58 AM
Someone should tell her its not the proper place to take a crap

DN: I'll beat the crap out of you for this. Don't even think about it!

https://i.imgur.com/N9YUMKC.png?1

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-02-2018, 04:19 AM
@zeio it ain't over till its over. She will have her day of glory. maybe in Tokyo Team Olympics ? i wish so ....

I think she should change her coach. Do things radically differently because she's been trying hard and there is absolutely no sign of improvement against the top Chinese.

Loopadoop
10-02-2018, 04:29 AM
@zeio it ain't over till its over. She will have her day of glory. maybe in Tokyo Team Olympics ? i wish so ....

I think she should change her coach. Do things radically differently because she's been trying hard and there is absolutely no sign of improvement against the top Chinese.

In the past sometimes, she has played great the first 1-3 games of a match vs CNT then fades to lose as her intensity level drops.

She has improved, a change of coaches might give her a fresh new look to inspire her.

zeio
10-02-2018, 04:55 AM
Some comments by Japanese folks on 5chan (http://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1535639379/).


試合は負けたが、実況アナウンサーの語りがなかなか良かった。
絶叫もオーバーリアクションもなく淡々と喋っていた。
あと隣にキモイ褒め殺しの卓球評論家もいないから聞いてて気分良かった。
Despite the loss, the announcement of the live announcer was quite good.
There was neither screaming nor overreaction, and he was speaking idly.
I was happy to hear that there was no gross backhanded compliment table tennis critic next to me.


わざわざ日本人に勝つなよ、どうせ中国人に100%負けるんだから

しかも毎回毎回
Don't bother. Japanese can't win, because they lose to the Chinese 100% anyway

Every single time


石川佳純さん、引退してください!
いつも中国にボロ負けでは卓球が人気になどなりません。もう邪魔をしないでください
Ishikawa-san, please retire!
Table tennis does not become popular when it's always straight-game defeat to China. Please do not stay in the way

Unsurprisingly, a comment in response by a netizen with the handle "Kasumi fan 1":

ような話をするのは卓球界を冒涜することになる。石川が今日負けたからと言って引退すれば
他の選手は全て引退しなければならないことになる。石川の人気で日本の卓球が存在してることを忘れてはいけない。
A comment like this will blaspheme the table tennis world. If I tell Ishikawa to retire just because she loses today, then all other competitors will have to retire. Do not forget that Ishikawa's popularity is what supports Japanese table tennis.


用具を変える前も丁寧に4-0
用具変えて筋トレしても4-0

才能って辛いね
Before changing the setup, DN 4-0
Even if you change the setup and train muscle, still 4-0

Talent - it's so painful


毎回当然のように鄭怡静に勝つ伊藤みまってすごいんだなと改めて思いましたね
他の日本選手だと中国選手以外にすらまだ安定して勝てない
石川選手が昨年の香港選手に続き、今回は台湾選手にまで負けてしまったのは非常にショックです
石川選手の場合は打倒中国よりも前に、香港&台湾という大きな壁が待ち構えているようです。なんとかクリアしてほしいですね!!
I thought once again that it is amazing that Mima Ito beats CIC
Other Japanese players still can not consistently beat even non-Chinese players
It is a shock that Ishikawa was defeated by the Taiwanese player this time following the Hong Kong player of last year[Ishikawa suffered 1st round defeat at the hand of Lee Ho Ching, whom she had never lost to]
In the case of Ishikawa, before beating China, a big wall like Hong Kong & Taiwan seems to be waiting. I hope she can somehow clear that! !

zeio
10-02-2018, 06:17 AM
@zeio it ain't over till its over. She will have her day of glory. maybe in Tokyo Team Olympics ? i wish so ....

I think she should change her coach. Do things radically differently because she's been trying hard and there is absolutely no sign of improvement against the top Chinese.
I actually predicted in late 2016 that Ishikawa would have a difficult time going forward (http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77500&PID=958124&title=2016-ittf-world-tour-swedish-open#958124) and needed to change, and that Ito and Hirano showed more potential.

She has had various coaches the past several years. She actually was under coach Li Lu in late 2010 (https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/p-sp-tp0-20110202-731932.html) when she was still in high school. In 2013, she told the reporter once that she didn't have a fixed coach. Starting in 2014, she was coached by Chen Lili. In preparation for Rio, she switched to Li Lu again in early 2016 and till now.

She has improved some, especially against choppers. However, the general consensus in China is that her game is too "straight". CNT doesn't fear her because of that. So I doubt changing coach will help.

ping fun
10-02-2018, 06:21 AM
yeah Ishikawa seems predictable for chinese and is not a threat like ITO or MIU . Especially Ito mima . Miu hirano seems going to a downhill in her game

Sali
10-02-2018, 08:26 AM
Well I do not agree with your points.
Let's say Mima Ito is the main threat for CNT - she plays very powerfull and also the pace after playing with a chop changing the rythm, so it is not very easy to adapt. Of course she plays very risky and if she can keep high percentage she can win, if not she is loosing.
MIU - she had just one great competiton beating all CNT (besides LSW) but soon after that they studied her service and now she is even easier opponent then Kasumi.
All other players like Sato, Kato, Hayata can be the threat for all others besides chinese.
Kasumi is the second threat after mima for CNT and even if she is easy to beat still she is better then all european players and probably better then all players besides China. So you can insist she should retire but who is gonna come???
I think overall she is missing powerfull shots that is why when facing china players who use a lot of power she cannot win rallies.

zeio
10-02-2018, 11:27 AM
This is why I said the East and West are not on the same page. Folks don't understand the CNT mentality here. Players who have reached the top before are just different. China is wary the most of those who have done that, especially on the big stage.

See Li Sun's comments shortly before WTTC 2018.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZnsP6N08sM

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-02-2018, 01:57 PM
This is why I said the East and West are not on the same page. Folks don't understand the CNT mentality here. Players who have reached the top before are just different. China is wary the most of those who have done that, especially on the big stage.

See Li Sun's comments shortly before WTTC 2018.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZnsP6N08sM

I agree with you. One cannot dismiss Miu HIRANO. She is only 18 and achieved a lot already. Yes, she's been in a slump for more than 1 year now and doesn't have significant results. But please remember that when she won WC, then became National Champion then won the Asian Championships, nobody was talking much about ITO who wasn't doing much. Then suddenly she got some great victories. Miu is still young and has the potential to get better and learn new techniques.

I just hope that she will regain form in time for the Tokyo Olympics.

Sali
10-02-2018, 02:18 PM
I understand Li Sun is a coach who can we trust, but he did not say anything special, just that Miu is recovering - whatever it means.
If you watch her last match with Ishikawa few days ago, she was just destroyed same way as DN destroyed Kasumi. I understand she is still young but I really do not see anything new for a long time from her. Same serves, same tactics.
Regarding threat for CNT there is only Ito now and the rest can fight for single sets or miracle.

Sali
10-02-2018, 03:01 PM
2018 Japanese players results vs China (how many wins). This statistic shows everything

Ishikawa 4 wins:
Wu Yang
Chen Xingtong
Sun Yingsha
Wen Jia

Ito 8 wins:
Liu Shiwen
Wu Yang
Wang Manyu
Chen Xingtong
Hu Limei
Gu Yuting
Zhang Rui
Liu Gaoyang

Hirano 1 win:
Chen Ke

729B2
10-02-2018, 03:02 PM
I understand Li Sun is a coach who can we trust, but he did not say anything special, just that Miu is recovering - whatever it means.
If you watch her last match with Ishikawa few days ago, she was just destroyed same way as DN destroyed Kasumi. I understand she is still young but I really do not see anything new for a long time from her. Same serves, same tactics.
Regarding threat for CNT there is only Ito now and the rest can fight for single sets or miracle.
Pretty much i would say the same bang on !

FruitLoop
10-02-2018, 04:10 PM
Remember how young some of these players like Hirano are. Even some Olympic champions were not even on the scene internationally at her age and she already has a World Cup (albeit without Chinese) and Asian Championship to her name. She has lots of time to develop her style.