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zeio
10-02-2018, 07:43 PM
Ran into this video on the Olympic Channel. A general overview of China's state-run program and their goal to bridge with the world. Subbed in 11 languages.

Land of Legends: Asia-Pacific
Why China's dominance in table tennis is unmatched at the Olympics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv5Nf-0iDQA

Wister
10-04-2018, 01:57 PM
The video is nice, thanks for the translation :) Just my personal preference maybe but i really liked when you posted 'technical' video like the 'hit and brush', 'no waist rotation' etc.. I feel like there is some great knowledge we're missing :)

jamesmith
10-04-2018, 02:24 PM
this is a very very good video, it should be shown to more people,

Simas
10-05-2018, 08:29 AM
yes, the video is nice and very well made. As it was said, it's a lot of in the numbers. Also as there were a lot of mentions about TT innovations, maybe there are some more into that?

JST
10-06-2018, 09:18 AM
The video shows big part of it, however there is still some propaganda BS like always. What kind of innovation and how they can measure it in percentage?:) If I discover new weird serve style or very unusual grip in the lowest league somewhere in Transilvania does it count as innovation and do Chinese TT statistics capture that? Does new booster or glue or color of TT shirt count as innovation? The same weight as discovery of multiball training, inverted rubber, tension sponge...?

Don't get me wrong, these numbers like over 2m of active player just in Beijing all-year league are mind blowing, state sponsored system well made, intensive trainings and ability to teach small kids basic strokes up to aggressive-out-of-table-both-wings looping in just 2-3 years is amazing. Studying opponents' game and styles, shadowing, intense multi-ball... probably best training clubs and coaches are in China and TT sport would be less then a half without China, no doubts. But saying how much they "innovate" in the video doesn't show the real reasons.

Loopadoop
10-06-2018, 10:31 AM
Another benefit to their people is a safe non injury life long hobby with health benefits.

zeio
10-06-2018, 07:37 PM
Also as there were a lot of mentions about TT innovations, maybe there are some more into that?

After much digging the past few days, I finally got hold of the source. What a drag!

The stats on invention and innovation come from the article "中国乒乓球技术发展规律及趋势", roughly "Principles and Trends of Development for Chinese Table Tennis Techniques", published in 1990 and coauthored by Qiu Zhonghui(1st female world champion from China), Wu Huanqun(renowned table tennis researcher) et al.

Many of the English translations are off. Check out the next one I translated below.

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The list got updated in another article, "中國乒乓球隊技術進步的哲學分析", roughly "Philosophical Analysis of the Technical Progress for China Table Tennis Team (http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80846&PID=1003858&title=the-birth-of-modern-table-tennis#1003858)", published in 2006.


表 1 中國人與外國人在桌球技術方面的創新與發明
中國人的技術創新與發明
1.容國團的正手轉與不轉發球(1958)
2.容國團的反手急下旋發球(1958)
3.徐寅生的正手奔球(1958)
4.庄則棟的直拍近檯兩面攻(1961)
5.李富榮的直拍近檯左推右攻(1961)
6.張燮林的長膠直拍削球(1961)
7.王志良的橫拍轉與不轉削球(1963)
8.林惠卿的長顆和平面不同性能削球(1965)
9.梁戈亮的長顆和平面球拍的/倒拍技術(1971)
10.梁戈亮的橫拍削攻(1971)
11.許紹發的高拋發球(1973)
12.刁文元的反手側上下旋發球(1973)
13.李振恃的正手快點技術(1973)
14.郗恩庭的直拍平面弧圈快攻打法(1973)
15.許紹發的快帶技術(1973)
16.郭躍華的推擠技術(1973)
17.李赫男的短顆小弧圈技術(1973)
18.葛新愛的長顆削攻推拱結合(1973)
19.謝賽克的直拍正手蓋打弧圈(1981)
20.曹燕華的反手高拋發球(1981)
21.蔡振華的橫拍防弧進攻型打法(1981)
22.鄧亞萍的橫拍平面與長顆進攻型打法(1993)
23.王濤的平面和短顆的全攻打法(1993)
24.丁松的橫拍削攻結合(1995)
25.劉國樑的直拍橫打(1995)
26.孔令輝的橫拍反手快撕技術(1997)
27.王楠的橫拍反手連續快拉技術(1999)

外國人的技術創新與發明
1.英國的顆粒膠皮球拍(1902)
2.匈牙利的橫拍兩面攻(1926)
3.匈牙利的橫拍削球打法(1930)
4.美國的那卡爾式發球(1931)
5.奧地利的黑色厚海綿拍(1951)
6.日本的直拍單面攻(1952)
7.日本的正反貼黃色海綿拍(1957)
8.捷克的下蹲式發球(1957)
9.日本的弧圈型上旋球(1960)
10.奧地利的防弧海綿拍(1970)
11.瑞典的橫拍快攻結合弧圈(1971)
12.匈牙利的橫拍兩面拉弧圈(1971)
13.瑞典的橫拍換握拍手指發球(1981)
14.韓國的直拍弧圈結合兩面攻(1988)
15.瑞典橫拍兩面沖、攻結合防的全面型打法(1989)
16.德國的橫拍正反手甩腕彈擊球技術(1989)
17.法國的橫拍凶狠型進攻打法(1991)
18.克羅埃西亞的橫拍反手蓋打弧圈直線(1998)
19.奧地利的橫拍側身正手右側旋發球(1999)

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Table 1 Chinese and foreign inventions and innovations in table tennis techniques

Chinese Technical Inventions and Innovations
1. Rong Guotuan's forehand spin and no-spin serve(1958)
2. Rong Guotuan's backhand fast backspin serve(1958)
3. Xu Yinsheng's forehand kick serve(1958)
4. Zhuang Zedong's penhold close-to-table double wing attacking(1961)
5. Li Furong's penhold close-to-table backhand blocking and forehand attacking(1961)
6. Zhang Xielin's penhold long-pips chopping(1961)
7. Wang Zhiliang's shakehand spin and no-spin chopping(1963)
8. Lin Huiqing's long-pips and inverted combination chopping(1965)
9. Liang Geliang's long-pips and inverted twiddling(1971)
10. Liang Geliang's shakehand chopping and attacking(1971)
11. Xu Shaofa's high-toss serve(1973)
12. Diao Wenyuan's backhand side-top/-under serve(1973)
13. Li Zhenshi's forehand "kuai dian"(1973) (TL's note: kuai dian, literally quick point, similar to the flick)
14. Xi Enting's penhold inverted looping plus fast-attack style(1973)
15. Xu Shaofa's "kuai dai" technique(1973) (TL's note: kuai dai, literally quick guide, basically an off-the-bounce drive by borrowing the incoming force)
16. Guo Yuehua's spin block technique(1973)
17. Li Henan's short-pips "little loop" technique(1973) (essentially a weaker version of the loop with inverted rubber)
18. Ge Xinai's long-pips chopping and attacking with a combination of "tui gong"(1973) (TL's note: the term tui gong is a type of blocking associated with long-pips.)
19. Xie Saike's penhold forehand flat hit against looping(1981) (TL's note: gai da in Chinese, literally cover strike, to flat hit through a slow loop with strong force to overcome the strong spin)
20. Cao Yanhua's backhand high-toss serve(1981)
21. Cai Zhenhua's shakehand anti-spin attacking style(1981)
22. Deng Yaping's shakehand inverted and long-pips attacking style(1993)
23. Wang Tao's inverted and short-pips all-out attacking style(1993)
24. Ding Song's shakehand with chopping and attacking combined(1995) (TL's note: modern defense)
25. Liu Guoliang's reverse penhold backhand(1995)
26. Kong Linghui's shakehand backhand "kuai si" technique(1997) (TL's note: kuai si, literally quick rip, an off-the-bounce backhand loop stroke used on backspin and topspin)
27. Wang Nan's shakehand consecutive backhand quick loop technique(1999)

Foreigners Technical Inventions and Innovations
1. UK's hardbat(1902)
2. Hungarian shakehand double-wing attacking(1926)
3. Hungarian shakehand chopping style(1930)
4. US's fingerspin and knucklespin serves(1931)
5. Austrian thick black sponge racket(1951)
6. Japanese penhold single-wing attacking(1952)
7. Japanese inverted/non-inverted yellow sponge racket(1957)
8. Czechoslovakian tomahawk serve(1957)
9. Japanese loopdrive(1960)
10. Austrian antispin racket(1970)
11. Swedish shakehand fast-attack plus looping(1971)
12. Hungarian shakehand double-wing looping(1971)
13. Swedish shakehand serve-grip(1981)
14. Korean penhold looping plus double-wing attacking(1988)
15. Swedish shakehand double-wing loopdriving and attacking plus defense all-round style(1989)
16. German shakehand forehand and backhand wrist-snap punch-flicking technique(1989)
17. French shakehand aggressive attacking style(1991) (TL's note: colloquially known as the reckless/irrational style in China)
18. Croatian shakehand backhand down-the-line flat hit against looping(1998)
19. Austrian shakehand reverse pendulum serve(1999)
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