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Loopadoop
12-02-2018, 04:30 AM
Bendigo Australia

December 2-9

USA Seeds

Male

1 Kanak Jha
28 Sharon Alguetti
65 Nicholas Tio
68 Nikhil Kumar

Females

10 Amy Wang
40 Rachel Sung
53 Crystal Wang
69 Rachel Yang


....

Loopadoop
12-02-2018, 04:44 AM
December 2

USA Teams

Males beat Australia 3-0
Females beat Canada 3-0

NextLevel
12-02-2018, 04:02 PM
Bendigo Australia

December 2-9

USA Seeds

Male

1 Kanak Jha
28 Sharon Alguetti
65 Nicholas Tio

Females

10 Amy Wang
40 Rachel Sung
53 Crystal Wang
69 Rachel Yang

Nikhil Kumar?

Loopadoop
12-02-2018, 05:57 PM
Nikhil Kumar?

I don't see him on boys team for play.

NextLevel
12-02-2018, 06:51 PM
I don't see him on boys team for play.


http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-web-results/html/TTE2879/entries.html

Loopadoop
12-03-2018, 03:06 AM
Thanks I see him listed now

Dec 3

USA
men beat Singapore
women beat France

Loopadoop
12-03-2018, 07:02 AM
Dec 3

USA Girls' lose to China

USA Boys now live vs China

Jha Kanak 2-1 in process

Loopadoop
12-03-2018, 07:12 AM
now 2-2

4th Kanak Jha was down 3-8 came back to tie it at 9-9 then 10-10 then lost it at 10-12

Loopadoop
12-03-2018, 07:23 AM
Kanak Jha wins in 5th 11-6

rest of team match playing order vs China

Nikhil Kumar
Sharon Alguetti
Kanak Jha
Nikhil Kumar

FruitLoop
12-03-2018, 08:21 AM
Iran swept Russia 3-0. Very surprising. They then lost easily to France, yet Russia would definitely give France a run for their money. Interesting how it works.

Loopadoop
12-03-2018, 11:17 AM
USA boys team lost to China 1-3

FruitLoop
12-03-2018, 11:20 AM
Just noticed Truls Moregard is not on the entry list for this, how come? Probably the player generating most interest.

Danny21312
12-03-2018, 01:53 PM
Just noticed Truls Moregard is not on the entry list for this, how come? Probably the player generating most interest.
Probably because of the Champion's League.

FruitLoop
12-03-2018, 03:57 PM
Probably because of the Champion's League.

That would be kind of gross from his club if it is them not releasing him??

Danny21312
12-03-2018, 04:47 PM
That would be kind of gross from his club if it is them not releasing him??
Maybe he had to choose between the WJTTC and the ECL and he chose the latter.

Der_Echte
12-03-2018, 06:37 PM
Maybeez his boss chose...

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NextLevel
12-03-2018, 07:46 PM
The US had a terrible draw for both men and women. Its quite possible that no other team will take a match off China.

Very sad.

zeio
12-03-2018, 08:33 PM
The new ranking system now has separate senior and junior ranking lists, which makes it totally worthless for eligible junior players who are close to the top already to compete in.

South Korea doesn't even bother with the boys.

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 02:33 AM
Live
USA boys 2-1 Iran

Kanak Jha 2-1

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 02:45 AM
Jha wins 3-1

USA Boys 3-1 Iran

zeio
12-04-2018, 03:18 AM
The US had a terrible draw for both men and women. Its quite possible that no other team will take a match off China.

Very sad.

Sad indeed. This is the last edition for Kanak, right? They have a real chance of making podium.

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 04:58 AM
USA Girls'

lost to Chinese Taipei 0-3

Live now

0-2 Hong Kong

Tony's Table Tennis
12-04-2018, 05:24 AM
The new ranking system now has separate senior and junior ranking lists, which makes it totally worthless for eligible junior players who are close to the top already to compete in.

South Korea doesn't even bother with the boys.

yep, I said this when the smart guys made this new rule
in fact, your seeded young "senior" players, will be unseeded in juniors if they don't have junior ranking points,,,, lol

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 05:38 AM
USA Girls' playing for 7 and 8 place

1-2 Hong Kong

Crystal Wang won a key third match to give them a chance

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 05:50 AM
USA Girls' 8th place

Live in 10 minutes

USA Boys vs Romania for 5th and 6th places

zeio
12-04-2018, 06:13 AM
yep, I said this when the smart guys made this new rule
in fact, your seeded young "senior" players, will be unseeded in juniors if they don't have junior ranking points,,,, lol

There's some good in this. Folks complained when two 15-year-old's(looking at Ito in 2015 and Harimoto in 2018) popped up in the top 10. I once commented the new ranking system would make that much harder to happen. Check out Moregard, his personal best was 166 at the end of 2017, after the impressive showing at the WJTTC. Then the new system kicked in and he fell into oblivion at 944 in Jan, then 325 in Feb and it has been a slow and painful climb, at 163 now in Dec. It took him an entire year to get back to where he was, without the help from junior events.

Guess what? It's only going to get even harder next year with the new point table. Enjoy your ride!

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 08:18 AM
Live now

USA Boys vs Romania 2-2

USA S Alguetti vs R Sipos

zeio
12-04-2018, 08:55 AM
Chinese Taipei has some great talents. Gave Japan a big scare.

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 09:04 AM
USA Boys got 6th place

lost to Romania 2-3

FruitLoop
12-04-2018, 01:00 PM
USA Boys got 6th place

lost to Romania 2-3

Not a bad result at all considering the draw. Romania are probably tied best European team with France.

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 02:01 PM
Not a bad result at all considering the draw. Romania are probably tied best European team with France.

USA might have beat Romania if Kanak Jha had played 2 of the matches instead of 1.

Danny21312
12-04-2018, 05:05 PM
USA might have beat Romania if Kanak Jha had played 2 of the matches instead of 1.
They put him in the 3rd position probably because he lost to that Iranian guy with the long pips on the BH in the previous round.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-04-2018, 05:37 PM
Chinese Taipei has some great talents. Gave Japan a big scare.

Yep
I've been to a couple of training session with them and know the coaches well
The gold medal of Chuan/Chen also helped put more money into the sport
TPE does have a far more bunch of top juniors nowadays than oppose to the days of Chen and Chuan
and not to mention the top junior isn't playing and already WR50

Tony's Table Tennis
12-04-2018, 05:38 PM
They put him in the 3rd position probably because he lost to that Iranian guy with the long pips on the BH in the previous round.

no
its not the first time where they "rotate" players.
since ending on 5th or 6th means nothing at the end of the day, they are just giving other players a chance at position 1 and 2
i'm sure the same happened last wjc if I recall

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 06:31 PM
no
its not the first time where they "rotate" players.
since ending on 5th or 6th means nothing at the end of the day, they are just giving other players a chance at position 1 and 2
i'm sure the same happened last wjc if I recall

The Iranian guy using long pips OX or with sponge, a pushblocker or chopper, who beat Kanak Jha ?

Tony's Table Tennis
12-04-2018, 07:19 PM
The Iranian guy using long pips OX or with sponge, a pushblocker or chopper, who beat Kanak Jha ?

what are you talking about? this got nothing to do with rotating players for years during a not important match

Loopadoop
12-04-2018, 07:33 PM
They put him in the 3rd position probably because he lost to that Iranian guy with the long pips on the BH in the previous round.

What style does that long pips Iran guy play, pushblocker or chopper ?

Danny21312
12-05-2018, 04:33 AM
What style does that long pips Iran guy play, pushblocker or chopper ?
Not a chopper but i don't know if i'd call him a pushblocker. He does a lot of what Adam Bobrow would call "Strawberry".

zeio
12-05-2018, 05:45 AM
This new Japanese generation plays better when trailing behind. They have to work on closing it out when having the lead.

ttpshot
12-05-2018, 05:57 AM
There was a time when National Hopes (U12) champion in Japan wouldn't make it to the top level. Uda and Nagasaki both dominated U12 level and progressed to National Academy. Again, both have been under threat from non-Academy players as it so often happens to Academy players. It's good to see they're performing well so far. Keen to see how they'd go against China and in singles.

zeio
12-05-2018, 06:03 AM
Speak of the devil. Same thing in final game. Nagasaki trailed and turned the table on Qian Tianyi but then blacked out...

1:3, 5:4, TO by China, 6:4, 6:6, 7:9, 8:9, 8:10, 9:10, 9:11

Same habit for Kihara. Cruised through the 1st 2 games and then blacked out in the next 2, was trailing 3:6 in final game, then sort of "awakened" and barely edged out Huang to keep hope alive.

zeio
12-05-2018, 08:10 AM
Tanaka's BH is so fast. Yu Heyi couldn't keep up, but the FH step-around saved game 2.

Tanaka = BH. Yu Heyi = FH. It's a contest to see who forces his own game on the other.

NextLevel
12-06-2018, 06:35 PM
Nicholas Tio had no chance but the other Americans seem capable of winning their groups and making the main draw.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-06-2018, 07:56 PM
I think for a long time, Japanese juniors can state they can challenge the Chinese
but its either that 1 small extra push in junior level and then the carry forward to senior level that they are lacking.
I can't say it is inconsistency, or BMT or what, but they are so close but some times still so far....

usualsuspect
12-06-2018, 08:09 PM
I think for a long time, Japanese juniors can state they can challenge the Chinese
but its either that 1 small extra push in junior level and then the carry forward to senior level that they are lacking.
I can't say it is inconsistency, or BMT or what, but they are so close but some times still so far....

At the very top level, the difference between each player is often minuscule. The best players are often only a tiny bit better than the rest. But at high level, even a tiny bit of improvement requires a large amount of training (diminishing return and all that). That's why it seems so close, yet so far at the same time.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-06-2018, 08:16 PM
At the very top level, the difference between each player is often minuscule. The best players are often only a tiny bit better than the rest. But at high level, even a tiny bit of improvement requires a large amount of training (diminishing return and all that). That's why it seems so close, yet so far at the same time.

I know what you are trying to say
but don't forget, these top junior are high level already (irrespective on Japan or China).
They are top 20 to top 50 senior level material
But for the Chinese, they can climb into the top 20, while Japanese lots of time struggle to go into top 20 because of that little bit extra needed and its been like this for few years now

China can have 5 to 10 players in WR20
Japan will have 2 to 3
at younger age Japan looks more equal to China

You can't say it is only amount of training that is the reason of this, some of the Japanese train more than the Chinese and for what I have personally witnesses, the Japanese has so much more resource than the Chinese nowadays

NextLevel
12-07-2018, 12:39 AM
Looks like US will have 2 ladies in the main draw. 3 boys as well.

Loopadoop
12-07-2018, 03:12 PM
USA boys R32

Kanak Jha won
Sharon Alguetti lost
Nikhil Kumar lost

USA Girls R32

Amy Wang won
Rachel Yang lost

Danny21312
12-07-2018, 03:24 PM
Next round will be tough for Kanak.

Loopadoop
12-08-2018, 12:44 AM
Live Action Singles

Kanak Jha vs Chinese
Table 1 on YouTube
1 hour 30 minutes

Amy Wang vs Chinese
Table 5 no view
45 minutes

Loopadoop
12-08-2018, 05:35 AM
Both of above lost to Chinese in R16

Loopadoop
12-08-2018, 06:20 AM
Girls' Doubles R8

USA Amy Wang and Crystal Wang vs China play in 10 minutes on Table 3

atrapa
12-08-2018, 08:40 AM
camera/view angle terrible... almost unwatchable
ittf = this is the way how to repel even the TT fans from watching

zeio
12-08-2018, 09:05 AM
Chinese Taipei has some great talents. Gave Japan a big scare.
Uh-huh.
https://i.imgur.com/7PlSrbAh.png

At this rate, Nagazaki will drop off the radar. She's only less than 2 years younger than Ito and the likes. If CNT's experience applies as well for JNT, she will live under their shadows and fade away. Kihara has it a little better given those 2 extra years, but it will still be difficult for her.

https://i.imgur.com/iAOhFO3h.png

Loopadoop
12-08-2018, 09:09 AM
Girls' Doubles R8

USA Amy Wang and Crystal Wang vs China play in 10 minutes on Table 3

They lost

All USA entries out. None reached R4.

zeio
12-08-2018, 09:11 AM
Pletea is such a show-off.

https://i.imgur.com/YesLCfkh.png
https://i.imgur.com/nNIYv5Jh.png

zeio
12-08-2018, 09:28 AM
Yu Heyi's FH can't get past Pletea.

https://i.imgur.com/s31QwE9h.png
https://i.imgur.com/carcomth.png

Danny21312
12-08-2018, 09:32 AM
What a way to close the match !!

zeio
12-08-2018, 09:36 AM
This is what Europe needs, a badass FH. You can't beat China with BH alone.

mrk
12-08-2018, 09:49 AM
Uda wins against Xu Yingbin! Only 2 chinese in HF.

NextLevel
12-08-2018, 01:56 PM
The point is definitely worth watching.

https://youtu.be/PEnQUwStTyE?t=13242


Yu Heyi's FH can't get past Pletea.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fs31QwE9h.png
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fcarcomth.png

FruitLoop
12-08-2018, 02:07 PM
So it's Pletea Vs China.

Sgouropolous came very close to beating Chinese opponent but no one else did. Shame no Truls.

mrk
12-08-2018, 02:22 PM
So it's Pletea Vs China.

Sgouropolous came very close to beating Chinese opponent but no one else did. Shame no Truls.


This is not correct, Yukiya Uda from Japan is in the other semifinal.

FruitLoop
12-08-2018, 07:12 PM
This is not correct, Yukiya Uda from Japan is in the other semifinal.

Ah weird, the ITTF website wasn't showing the 4th result and semi finalist, my mistake!

mrk
12-09-2018, 01:48 AM
Yukiya Uda just beat another chinese: Xiang Peng with 4-0. Another chinese is waiting in the final for Uda.

FruitLoop
12-09-2018, 01:50 AM
Disappointing from Pletea. He got absolutely wrecked against the guy Truls beat 4-0 in he semi last year.

Meanwhile Uda manages to avoid the all China final. Although 4-0 every set was by the minimum and three went to deuce so it was very close.

Danny21312
12-09-2018, 01:54 AM
Quite the unexpected results. I thought if someone was gonna beat a chinese it would be Pletea yet he got destroyed by Xu Haidong. OTOH Yukiya Uda managed to win 4-0 his match against Xiang Peng.

NextLevel
12-09-2018, 02:01 AM
Quite the unexpected results. I thought if someone was gonna beat a chinese it would Pletea yet he got destroyed by Xu Haidong but Yukiya Uda managed to win 4-0 his match against Xiang Peng.


Xiang Peng is really young (15 years old or so). Uda does have his work cut out vs Xu, who is a team B CNT prospect if I remember rightly.

Atas Newton
12-09-2018, 07:44 AM
Shi Xunyao misses her chance for three gold medals in three hours in the decider. Had a lot of luck on her side but was also visibly exhausted, Qian Tianyi played better. Shi Xunyao has lost a total of three matches this year (she's won about 80), two of those to Qian Tianyi in Asian Championships final and World Championships final. Bright future for CNT. But they already have Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu. Forget Tokyo 2020, the competition for Paris 2024 is gonna be insane.

mrk
12-09-2018, 09:07 AM
Shi Xunyao misses her chance for three gold medals in three hours in the decider. Had a lot of luck on her side but was also visibly exhausted, Qian Tianyi played better. Shi Xunyao has lost a total of three matches this year (she's won about 80), two of those to Qian Tianyi in Asian Championships final and World Championships final. Bright future for CNT. But they already have Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu. Forget Tokyo 2020, the competition for Paris 2024 is gonna be insane.


I'm not that impressed because of his age in this competition, I'm more impressed with Kihara who lost only 3-4 but is 4.5 years younger. This is a huge difference in this age.

KIHARA Miyuu - QIAN Tiany 3:4

2004-08-03
2000-01-23

Atas Newton
12-09-2018, 09:59 AM
All your posts in this thread are about some unsung hero beating another nameless "chinese" so I'm not surprised that you've taken it personally that I sing praises to Shi Xunyao for an unbelievable record in 2018.

mrk
12-09-2018, 11:06 AM
All your posts in this thread are about some unsung hero beating another nameless "chinese" so I'm not surprised that you've taken it personally that I sing praises to Shi Xunyao for an unbelievable record in 2018.


You should learn to accept different opinions, looks like you are struggling a bit in this regards.

Atas Newton
12-09-2018, 11:44 AM
Mate, I'm literally saying "hey here's this girl who's had a crazy good year and nearly won a treble in ONE DAY". And you're going "(oh no, Chinese again, I better come up with a rebuttal) well here's this girl and like she's nearly won in quarter finals! What an achievement, she's clearly better". Talk about having troubles accepting an opinion. Or reality, for that matter. Miyu Kihara is a very strong player, but she posted a mediocre 62% winrate in 2018. Shi Xunyao at 97%. Can you really tell me that's not impressive?

Tony's Table Tennis
12-09-2018, 01:42 PM
Danny,

She had 3 finals in a row, mixed at 3pm, doubles at 4pm, singles at 5pm....
Playing against a teammate who we all know isn't easy (even if it is a Japan vs Japan, or German vs German, its never easy playing against someone who knows you very well)
97% win rate in 2018, and also former WJC champion herself

I think that is impressive for a junior.
For saying its not impressive because of her ethnic background do you not think you are being discriminating now?
If it was a non Chinese, would you then say its impressive?
Which previous Chinese female player had a 97% win in a year?

Danny21312
12-09-2018, 01:49 PM
Yes if it was a non chinese then i would say it's impressive since you never see a non chinese having winrates like that so of course i'd be impressed. Also, why are already getting into conclusions that i'm saying it's not impressive due to her ethnicity? I'm simply saying it's no impressive because it's not uncommon for chinese players to have winrates like that.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-09-2018, 01:52 PM
Yes if it was a non chinese then i would say it's impressive since you never see a non chinese having winrates like that so of course i'd be impressed. Also, why are already getting into conclusions that i'm saying it's not impressive due to her ethnicity? I'm simply saying it's no impressive because it's not uncommon for chinese players to have winrates like that.

so which previous Chinese female junior had the same or better winrate of 97% in 1 year?

I think the sooner people take race and colour out of the equation, one can enjoy the world better.

I don't complain that black people are dominating basketball when I follow the NBA
I treat them as a human being, and praise them when they do well.
I won't say, its not impressive because he is black....
To me that is discrimination and boarder racism

why can't you just enjoy one young girl which almost did the odds by getting 3 gold
when last did anyone get 3 golds in a WJC??

Please Danny, answer my 2 questions

Danny21312
12-09-2018, 01:55 PM
I'm sure many of them had a winrate like that in previous years but i don't have the time nor the energy to search for that right now.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-09-2018, 01:57 PM
I'm sure many of them had a winrate like that in previous years but i don't have the time nor the energy to search for that right now.

So you are just classifying them as Chinese and your conclusion is based on that only 1 fact and no other facts.
okay, that explains who you are

Danny21312
12-09-2018, 02:06 PM
You really love attacking people don't you? I wonder if this is how you talk to people in real life. Must be real fun being around someone like you in person.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-09-2018, 02:16 PM
You really love attacking people don't you? I wonder if this is how you talk to people in real life. Must be real fun being around someone like you in person.

and i'm sure people love you when you are a racist

Tony's Table Tennis
12-09-2018, 02:23 PM
Shi Xunyao misses her chance for three gold medals in three hours in the decider. Had a lot of luck on her side but was also visibly exhausted, Qian Tianyi played better. Shi Xunyao has lost a total of three matches this year (she's won about 80), two of those to Qian Tianyi in Asian Championships final and World Championships final. Bright future for CNT. But they already have Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu. Forget Tokyo 2020, the competition for Paris 2024 is gonna be insane.

you know, I am against WJC scheduling since it changes few years back.
My coach friends who go to these WJC with their students have told me they don't know how these kids cope.

For Shi, if you noticed on the final day, she played 3 in a row at 10, 11, then 12:00
then again 3pm, 4pm, 5pm
and just looking at yesturday's schedule, she played from yesterday noon non stop to the evening........crazy

I personally witness one kid playing about 10 matches in 1 day, he only had breakfast, no proper meal in the day time - only some bites of snacks or fruits, due to him keep winning and more matches to play.

He ended up in the evening very dizzy and narrowly lost to Harimto
Its crazy how these kids go through WJC compared to seniors schedule in WTTC

But I guess most forum members didn't pick this up and some only judge them based on they ethnic routes.

the looser players would have a proper meal
the winners will have no time to eat, but to prepare for the next match
life as a professional athlete is no joke.

Danny21312
12-09-2018, 02:24 PM
ok, now you just revealed yourself as a troll. You're just pulling words out of your ass and start calling people names for no reason. There wasn't any moment where i said anything that could be considered racist, it's your own problem if you want to keep seeing that as racist. Hope you have a good day sir :)

Danny21312
12-09-2018, 02:36 PM
Also, being sick and tired of the chinese dominance is one thing and just hating chinese people is another. If i was the latter then you could call me a racist.

Atas Newton
12-09-2018, 02:49 PM
So you are just classifying them as Chinese and your conclusion is based on that only 1 fact and no other facts.
okay, that explains who you are
Danny21312 the type of guy to say "oh there's 2 Chinese in the finals, can't be bothered to watch it, so boring". Turns out, Ma Long is about to play the Olympics final against Fan Zhendong. The guy doesn't care about table tennis, only about his own agenda. Just add him to the ignore list like I did, literally offers nothing to the discussion.

Atas Newton
12-09-2018, 02:56 PM
you know, I am against WJC scheduling since it changes few years back.
My coach friends who go to these WJC with their students have told me they don't know how these kids cope.

For Shi, if you noticed on the final day, she played 3 in a row at 10, 11, then 12:00
then again 3pm, 4pm, 5pm
and just looking at yesturday's schedule, she played from yesterday noon non stop to the evening........crazy

yes, it was very unfortunate. Ideally, you wouldn't have to play 3 finals in the same day, let alone semis, but I guess it's deemed too expensive to stretch it out more.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-09-2018, 02:57 PM
Danny21312 the type of guy to say "oh there's 2 Chinese in the finals, can't be bothered to watch it, so boring". Turns out, Ma Long is about to play the Olympics final against Fan Zhendong. The guy doesn't care about table tennis, only about his own agenda. Just add him to the ignore list like I did, literally offers nothing to the discussion.

yeah, already added to the ignore list
I won't have respect to anyone who can't even respect a kid and give praises when it is due.
The racism part or racial discrimination part is just too stupid.
Every sport, you get some ethnic group that dominates and one need to see behind the skin colour and see the sport itself.

I'm a fan of Qian, but I was routing for Shi to win, as she deserves triple gold WJC, and be the 2nd female player ever in WJC history to achieve it.
I agree with you the race to 2024 will be tougher for all these young ladies

mrk
12-09-2018, 08:16 PM
Mate, I'm literally saying "hey here's this girl who's had a crazy good year and nearly won a treble in ONE DAY". And you're going "(oh no, Chinese again, I better come up with a rebuttal) well here's this girl and like she's nearly won in quarter finals! What an achievement, she's clearly better". Talk about having troubles accepting an opinion. Or reality, for that matter. Miyu Kihara is a very strong player, but she posted a mediocre 62% winrate in 2018. Shi Xunyao at 97%. Can you really tell me that's not impressive?


I'm not saying it isn't impressive, but for me Miyu Kihara looks more impressive for here age if you like it or not. Furthermore your winning rate comparison is nonsensical because Miyu Kihara played lots of senior and U21 competitions this year, Shi Xunyao did not, she only played junior tournaments!

NextLevel
12-10-2018, 01:32 AM
Guys no need to argue too hard, I think you both made great points.

jamesmith
12-10-2018, 01:56 AM
Sportsmanship ???????? Any sport does not always be dominated by only one person or country. Chinese has already send a lot coaches and players to help other countries. Like football, non Asia countries are always the top . Ruby is the same. Oriental has no chance at all. If anybody does not like Chinese dominates the table tennis, they should try to find a way to beat the Chinese. Chinese players train hard, coaches work hard. They deserve to win. We should learn the good things from others and improve ourselves, then we will be better than the others.

jamesmith
12-10-2018, 01:57 AM
We are here to join this website to help each other, do not argue too hard and do not hate each other, we all love table tennis. Respect the sport and be good friends .

Danny21312
12-10-2018, 09:41 AM
Sportsmanship ???????? Any sport does not always be dominated by only one person or country. Chinese has already send a lot coaches and players to help other countries. Like football, non Asia countries are always the top . Ruby is the same. Oriental has no chance at all. If anybody does not like Chinese dominates the table tennis, they should try to find a way to beat the Chinese. Chinese players train hard, coaches work hard. They deserve to win. We should learn the good things from others and improve ourselves, then we will be better than the others.
I'd be surprised if the chinese players themselves aren't tired of winning all the time. When you see their reaction when they win the gold medals in all these tournaments, they don't even seem that happy or surprised. It's like business as usual for them. This is why it's so boring to watch, because when you see a non chinese player win, you can see how happy they are and that's great to see.

zeio
12-10-2018, 10:28 AM
If anybody does not like Chinese dominates the table tennis, they should try to find a way to beat the Chinese.

http://ourfuturesucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/trump-china-0616.gif

Joking aside, Uda had this to say after losing to Xu Haidong in the final. Xu changed his service from the 2nd game. The topspin and backspin jab serve caused Uda tons of trouble. He was forced to use chiquita, but that turned into the BH rallies and he lost them all. Overall, poor receiving played the major part in his loss, and not taking the 4th game sealed his fate.

He also talked about how he beat Xiang Peng. Xiang Peng has a strong forehand but relatively weaker backhand. To avoid FH vs FH rallies which he couldn't come out on top, Uda stayed close to the table and focused on moving Xiang Peng around to force a weak return that he could finish off with the FH.

http://world-tt.com/ps_info/ps_report_detail.php?bn=190&pg=HEAD&page=BACK&rpcdno=52#52

 準々決勝・準決勝と中国選手を連破する破竹の進撃を見せながら、決勝で徐海東に惜しくも敗れた宇田幸矢。試合後、相手のサービスの変化への対応に苦しんだことを語った。以下は宇田のコメント。

 「前半は相手のサービスの回転も普通にわかって、レシーブで得点を取れていたんですけど、2ゲーム目あたりから相手がサービスを変えてきた。逆横回転なのであまり回転がわからなくて、上回転と下回転の差も大きくて、それにとまどったまま試合が進んでしまった。最後までわからないままで、チキータにいくしかなくて、そこからバックに詰められる展開で全然点が取れなかった。敗因はレシーブだと思います。

 4ゲーム目は9ー7で自分がサービスを持っていて、そのゲームの前半にバックのへのロングサービスがすごく効いていて、相手がチキータへ入れなかった。そこで9ー7でフォア前へ2本出して、相手はあまいレシーブが入ってきたんですけど、そこをしっかり決め切れなかったので、次のゲームで相手のペースになってしまった。中国選手も3人目になるとやはり対策を立てられていて、研究されているのをすごく感じました。

 準決勝の向鵬はフォアが強い選手で、バックには一発がなかったので、バックに連打して相手がフォアで回り込んだタイミングでフォアを突くか、回り込ませておいてフォアを突く作戦でした。前でのカウンタープレーを意識しました。後ろに下がるとフォア対フォアでは勝てないので、コースを狙って早い打球点で打ちました」(宇田)
https://i.imgur.com/K4PocKpm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/DwIfdnKm.jpg

jamesmith
12-10-2018, 02:00 PM
if you don,t understand why other players feel happy after beating the Chinese, there is nothing I can say. Jealous can not help us to improve our game and our life. Different country good at different things, Do you see many oriental win F.1 ????? Heavy weight boxing ??????????

usualsuspect
12-10-2018, 02:13 PM
I'd be surprised if the chinese players themselves aren't tired of winning all the time. When you see their reaction when they win the gold medals in all these tournaments, they don't even seem that happy or surprised. It's like business as usual for them. This is why it's so boring to watch, because when you see a non chinese player win, you can see how happy they are and that's great to see.

I want to see other countries win more too, but please don't hate on the CNT. You say that Chinese players aren't happy about winning, but the two most iconic celebratory gestures from recent memories are both from Chinese players: 1) Zhang Jike ripping his shirt off and 2) Ma Long leaping on top of the TT table. Oh and if you want to count a smaller gesture from this year, FZD tossed his racket after winning the world cup in France.
I know that many Chinese players don't look emotional when they are in the arena, but that's because Chinese culture is very reserved by nature. Being composed when winning is a sign of respect and humility towards the competitors in oriental culture. Please don't mistake a cultural difference as apathy.

Danny21312
12-10-2018, 02:18 PM
if you don,t understand why other players feel happy after beating the Chinese, there is nothing I can say. Jealous can not help us to improve our game and our life. Different country good at different things, Do you see many oriental win F.1 ????? Heavy weight boxing ??????????
You misread what i said. I said that non chinese players react happy when they win the same titles that chinese usually win. Not after beating chinese players.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-10-2018, 07:59 PM
We are here to join this website to help each other, do not argue too hard and do not hate each other, we all love table tennis. Respect the sport and be good friends .

respect is a big word, sportsmanship is a bigger word

if one discriminated towards one ethnic group, or simply, discriminates towards Chinese, then such person does not deserve any respect from any one.

Shi did well as a young player, irrespective of her gender, ethnic, race or skin colour - this is what I call respecting a player going through such harsh schedule.
I guess some people just have problems with one race doing well

Sportsmanship is put behind everything of that player (race, skin colour, ethnic background, gender, advisability etc) and only look at sports + respect and having fun.

I hope I can help people who are boarder racism to stop this racist nonsense and just give respect or credit where due.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-10-2018, 07:59 PM
Guys no need to argue too hard, I think you both made great points.

you okay with racists?

Tony's Table Tennis
12-10-2018, 08:04 PM
I want to see other countries win more too, but please don't hate on the CNT. You say that Chinese players aren't happy about winning, but the two most iconic celebratory gestures from recent memories are both from Chinese players: 1) Zhang Jike ripping his shirt off and 2) Ma Long leaping on top of the TT table. Oh and if you want to count a smaller gesture from this year, FZD tossed his racket after winning the world cup in France.
I know that many Chinese players don't look emotional when they are in the arena, but that's because Chinese culture is very reserved by nature. Being composed when winning is a sign of respect and humility towards the competitors in oriental culture. Please don't mistake a cultural difference as apathy.

If you are just talking to someone who has never trained most of they life to achieve one goal - a goal of winning a gold medal. This person you talk to will not understand hardship.

You are right that a lot of players don't express that much when winning as it is part personality or part culture - this is not just the Chinese, but then again, who has the right to judge how happy they are?

I have personally trained such hardship, I am involved with kids that have trained such hardship
I know many kids who lost in Melbourne, and who all cried or felt low after getting knocked out.
I guess former players or coaches in this forum will know what I am trying to say.

NextLevel
12-10-2018, 09:14 PM
you okay with racists?
Not sure whether the original commentary was racist (sometimes success makes you the target of unfair commentary) but in general, most of the world is full of bigots and you cannot tell someone is a bigot unless you really know them as some people disguise it well in public. I know there was some racist commentary but I don't think Atad Newton or Mrk were involved in it and I mean them.

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 04:19 AM
respect is a big word, sportsmanship is a bigger word

if one discriminated towards one ethnic group, or simply, discriminates towards Chinese, then such person does not deserve any respect from any one.

Shi did well as a young player, irrespective of her gender, ethnic, race or skin colour - this is what I call respecting a player going through such harsh schedule.
I guess some people just have problems with one race doing well

Sportsmanship is put behind everything of that player (race, skin colour, ethnic background, gender, advisability etc) and only look at sports + respect and having fun.

I hope I can help people who are boarder racism to stop this racist nonsense and just give respect or credit where due.
You being ignorant doesn't mean that what i said was racist. You're just choosing to think it's racist. All i said was that it's not impressive for a Chinese player to have a winrate like Shi Xunyao did because i'm sure that many of them had the same or similar winrates in past years. None of it has to do with them being "Chinese". Just because i couldn't give you more specific facts you already decide that i'm racist. What a great way to judge people.

Vrael
12-11-2018, 04:56 AM
You two might have just different definition of racism. Maybe the problem lies there.

Danny, You are literally writing:


All i said was that it's not impressive for a Chinese player to have a winrate like Shi Xunyao did...

In other words"

"It is not impressive to have high winrate like Shi Xunyao, because other Chinese players also have a winrate like that".

If You are not racist then it means that for You 97% winrate is not a big deal since You believe that many other players have winrate close to that. (and it doesn't matter if they are Chinese or not). Although it would is very easy to verify how ridiculous that believe is.

Unfortunatelly You have also written:


Yes if it was a non chinese then i would say it's impressive

and that makes You a racist if we define racism like this:

"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

You just think that when Chinese person has the same results as non-Chinese it is nothing special...so Chinese are just superior in Your eyes. Just like it wouldn't be impressive for cheetah to run 100m under 10s.

But...Oxford dictionary also defines "racism" as:

"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

and in that case Dany is not racist at all. It also looks like Dany was thinking about this definition all the time while Tony was thinking about the previous one.


Also, being sick and tired of the chinese dominance is one thing and just hating chinese people is another. If i was the latter then you could call me a racist.

So...can we close this now ? Your definitions of racism are just different and no one here is wrong since even Oxford dictionary has few definitions of racism that are entirely consistent (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism)

Tony's Table Tennis
12-11-2018, 06:34 AM
You two might have just different definition of racism. Maybe the problem lies there.

Danny, You are literally writing:



In other words"

"It is not impressive to have high winrate like Shi Xunyao, because other Chinese players also have a winrate like that".

If You are not racist then it means that for You 97% winrate is not a big deal since You believe that many other players have winrate close to that. (and it doesn't matter if they are Chinese or not). Although it would is very easy to verify how ridiculous that believe is.

Unfortunatelly You have also written:



and that makes You a racist if we define racism like this:

"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

You just think that when Chinese person has the same results as non-Chinese it is nothing special...so Chinese are just superior in Your eyes. Just like it wouldn't be impressive for cheetah to run 100m under 10s.

But...Oxford dictionary also defines "racism" as:

"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

and in that case Dany is not racist at all. It also looks like Dany was thinking about this definition all the time while Tony was thinking about the previous one.



So...can we close this now ? Your definitions of racism are just different and no one here is wrong since even Oxford dictionary has few definitions of racism that are entirely consistent (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism)

so lets change it to another sport and another race

oh, so there is a new kid in a block in the NBA
he is black, and that is nothing special as all black kids can play good basketball
if it was a non black, then I will be impressed, so all blacks play good ball

I am not impressed with that kid to have a 97% accuracy rate, since all blacks have the same accuracy rate

Its so boring watching blacks vs blacks in basketball.

If blacks win the match or gold medal, they are not as happy as non blacks winning

Racist much?
if not, this sure is racial discrimination and boarder racism as per my earlier statement

sportsmanship with respect will see beyond the colour of the new kid in the block and just give praise when its deserved and not discredit him or measure his performance due to his skin colour

OrienteTT
12-11-2018, 06:54 AM
stating the obvious and facts is not racism...but, if you are saying that the fact blacks tend to be better at basketball and chinese better at table tennis is racism, well, i'm racist too, and I dont see any wrong with that.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-11-2018, 06:56 AM
stating the obvious and facts is not racism...but, if you are saying that the fact blacks tend to be better at basketball and chinese better at table tennis is racism, well, i'm racist too, and I dont see any wrong with that.

it is beyond this, as you are talking in general and I agree with you

but the person has gone deeper and pinpoint individual names (Shi) and classifying the result/performance based on her race. So if Shi was a different race, this person will very likely respond differently
so Shi is a victim of racism?

OrienteTT
12-11-2018, 07:01 AM
Shi was a victim of the sistem that makes chinese the best, as all the other chinese players, you can see it in the finals, they win, it's as it is normal, for people is normal chinese winning. When a non chinese wins, is like the end of the world, a big thing. I dont think it's about racism. or devaluating the chinese wins, its just because, they win so much, and they are so much better, that when a non chinese win, people give it more credi.

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 07:21 AM
Shi was a victim of the sistem that makes chinese the best, as all the other chinese players, you can see it in the finals, they win, it's as it is normal, for people is normal chinese winning. When a non chinese wins, is like the end of the world, a big thing. I dont think it's about racism. or devaluating the chinese wins, its just because, they win so much, and they are so much better, that when a non chinese win, people give it more credi.
Exactly. You described what i was trying to say perfectly.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-11-2018, 07:24 AM
Shi was a victim of the sistem that makes chinese the best, as all the other chinese players, you can see it in the finals, they win, it's as it is normal, for people is normal chinese winning. When a non chinese wins, is like the end of the world, a big thing. I dont think it's about racism. or devaluating the chinese wins, its just because, they win so much, and they are so much better, that when a non chinese win, people give it more credi.

I get what you are saying, but I disagree with you that Shi is a victim of the system. So many non Chinese wish to take part in such system. So many have became top 10 level based on such system, this includes your Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean, Germans, Egyptians etc

its interesting that you get some people that see race and then have a direction of thought link to it.

Then you get others that don't see race and just see the athlete and his/her ability

then you get those who sees race and if the same race is playing against each other - it is boring to watch.

I really hope those who think Chinese vs Chinese is boring, should turn off the TV and stop watching table tennis when 2 Chinese is on. They don't deserve to witness good table tennis between Chinese vs Chinese players

Vrael
12-11-2018, 07:27 AM
sportsmanship with respect will see beyond the colour of the new kid in the block and just give praise when its deserved and not discredit him or measure his performance due to his skin colour

I totally agree with that, so You can say that Danny is not respectful enough for the great player, but if his definition of racism is what I wrote previously then he will not see himself as racist. And whether You like it or not, it is a definition, so it can't be "wrong". Unless there is some more important dictionary that stands above the oxford's one.

It doesn't matter what race You give as an example and what sport You will use. He never said that he hates Chinese, only that finals between two of them are boring for him (which doesn't make him racist regardless of the used definition)

He also didn't show any signs of prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism. And there is nothing else that could qualify anybody as a racist in that 2nd definition.

I also didn't give my opinion in previous post, just stated facts. Based on the first definition he is racist and based on the second one he isn't.

If You want my opinion then I was actually on Your side and I think that writing things like "he/she is good at something, cause he/she is white/black etc" is not fair. Even though some races have biological predispositions for some sports, predisposition is nothing without hard training etc.

But being unrespectful, unfair or whatever other adjectives we might throw it doesn't change the fact that there is definition of racism that doesn't match what Danny is representing, so he can be angry on people that call him racist and not agree with them

Tony's Table Tennis
12-11-2018, 07:31 AM
I totally agree with that, so You can say that Danny is not respectful enough for the great player, but if his definition of racism is what I wrote previously then he will not see himself as racist. And whether You like it or not, it is a definition, so it can't be "wrong". Unless there is some more important dictionary that stands above the oxford's one.

It doesn't matter what race You give as an example and what sport You will use. He never said that he hates Chinese, only that finals between two of them are boring for him (which doesn't make him racist regardless of the used definition)

He also didn't show any signs of prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism. And there is nothing else that could qualify anybody as a racist in that 2nd definition.

I also didn't give my opinion in previous post, just stated facts. Based on the first definition he is racist and based on the second one he isn't.

If You want my opinion then I was actually on Your side and I think that writing things like "he/she is good at something, cause he/she is white/black etc" is not fair. Even though some races have biological predispositions for some sports, predisposition is nothing without hard training etc.

But being unrespectful, unfair or whatever other adjectives we might throw it doesn't change the fact that there is definition of racism that doesn't match what Danny is representing, so he can be angry on people that call him racist and not agree with them

I know the word racism is really difficult to define.
hence I said racial discrimination and boarder racism at first.
In fact based on your second definition, i'm sure there is a few evidence based on "discrimination" by said person. But we can leave it to that.
He can be sour and complain about one race, I will just enjoy table tennis by all race

And yeah, its so unnecessary to see people by colour - whether they succeed or fail.
Its 2019 for petes sake.
There is only one race and that is the human race

jamesmith
12-11-2018, 07:54 AM
pls stop fighting anymore. no matter who is in the final, for me I love to watch whoever play . People can watch Chinese Vs Chinese to see how they can win the game. If they really watch and study the game, it is not boring and they can learn from the game. We watch any sport not only want to see who win, we would love to learn something from the game. The Players skill, attitude to the game, how they deal with the situstion.....etc. We all love this sport, be friend to each other.

OrienteTT
12-11-2018, 08:29 AM
as much as I think chinese wining is normal, i dont think it's boring, damn, I just want the best to play the finals, if they are chinese, great, if dont, great again...i just tend to like better the chinese game, simple, hard, direct and effective.

jamesmith
12-11-2018, 09:57 AM
good, agree

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 10:53 AM
It would be really depressing to be a fan of this sport if Japan wasn't around. They understand that it can't just be one country and one race dominating and that every match against said country/race is so one sided, so they're really doing their best to get their player's level up to par for the matches to be more competitive and not so one sided. Good for them. Really happy about what they're doing.

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 11:04 AM
And just to once again make it more clear, i don't "hate" China because they're Chinese, it's because they're the ones who are dominating right now and have been for the past 20 or more years. If the dominating country was Japan/Korea/Germany etc, I would've felt the same way about those countries like i do about China and i would've been rooting for China like i'm rooting for Japan/Korea/Germany and all the countries right now.

bircham boi
12-11-2018, 11:52 AM
You can say that Danny is not respectful enough for the great player, but if his definition of racism is what I wrote previously then he will not see himself as racist.Of course Danny is not going to say he's racist; denial of racism is standard for all us, including the racists. Whether or not Danny is racist can only be determined by his words and actions - and we can't judge his actions given this is a forum and words are all we have to go on.

Is there evidence of racism in the words Danny has used in this thread?
“I thought if someone was gonna beat a chinese it would be Pletea” - uses a racial term to describe a player, rather than use the player’s name.

“Yes if it was a non chinese then i would say it's impressive since you never see a non chinese having winrates like that so of course i'd be impressed. Also, why are already getting into conclusions that i'm saying it's not impressive due to her ethnicity? I'm simply saying it's no impressive because it's not uncommon for chinese players to have winrates like that.” - this whole comment is based on racial groupings: Chinese and non-Chinese. Says he’s not commenting on “ethnicity” (his term) and then immediately diminishes one racial group’s achievements.

“I'm sure many of them had a winrate like that in previous years but i don't have the time nor the energy to search for that right now. “ - evidence of prejudice - a word which means pre-judging. Danny has prejudged Chinese table tennis players without any evidence to support his claims, and refuses to find the evidence (and failure to examine evidence is classic racism).

“Also, being sick and tired of the chinese dominance is one thing and just hating chinese people is another. If i was the latter then you could call me a racist.” - an attempt to distance himself from racism which fails to work, because he continues to judge people solely on their race. “chinese dominance” is still viewing people only by race.

“This is why it's so boring to watch, because when you see a non chinese player win, you can see how happy they are and that's great to see.” - making an extraordinary claim based purely on his perception of how members of different races behave. Obviously, not all members of a group behave the same way, yet this is how Danny sees things, on race alone. Plus he’s making value judgments about whole races: Chinese not happy, non-Chinese happy.

Reading through the pages of this thread, it’s really easy to see where the heat is generated. If someone consistently makes remarks about one group of people which they don’t make against any other group, and if they fail to make any effort to clarify that their views are based on anything other than race, then yes, it’s reasonable to conclude that such a person is racist. Judging people solely on the basis of their race is racism.

However, at long, long last, Danny posts:
“And just to once again make it more clear, i don't "hate" China because they're Chinese, it's because they're the ones who are dominating right now and have been for the past 20 or more years. If the dominating country was Japan/Korea/Germany etc, I would've felt the same way about those countries like i do about China and i would've been rooting for China like i'm rooting for Japan/Korea/Germany and all the countries right now.”

If this had been Danny's starting point, this would have been an entirely different thread. FWIW, I still don't think this is much of an improvement. This is still looking no further than nationality/race as the standard for judging who to support. Personally, I could not care less what nationality a player is. If they are the best, they are the best. If they do something I admire, my admiration will be neither increased nor diminished because of their race.

ping fun
12-11-2018, 12:25 PM
I get what you are saying, but I disagree with you that Shi is a victim of the system. So many non Chinese wish to take part in such system. So many have became top 10 level based on such system, this includes your Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean, Germans, Egyptians etc

its interesting that you get some people that see race and then have a direction of thought link to it.

Then you get others that don't see race and just see the athlete and his/her ability

then you get those who sees race and if the same race is playing against each other - it is boring to watch.

I really hope those who think Chinese vs Chinese is boring, should turn off the TV and stop watching table tennis when 2 Chinese is on. They don't deserve to witness good table tennis between Chinese vs Chinese players

Well said Tony , Table tennis is a fantastic sport and its more fantastic with chinese to be honest , They are the best like it or not , also Japan is improving everyday but has a very long way to be china in tt . But Now really people dont care about countries , we say Wow FZD vs Ma long what a game it will be , we never think about china vs china , If some one dont enjoy this game or as it was told china vs china so You really dont like Table tennis , cause you cant find a better final than china vs china . Fortunately china has started spreading table tennis love in every country . Im one of the people who got attracted to table tennis by watching Zhang jike and Wang hao rallies ...

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 12:38 PM
Well said Tony , Table tennis is a fantastic sport and its more fantastic with chinese to be honest , They are the best like it or not , also Japan is improving everyday but has a very long way to be china in tt . But Now really people dont care about countries , we say Wow FZD vs Ma long what a game it will be , we never think about china vs china , If some one dont enjoy this game or as it was told china vs china so You really dont like Table tennis , cause you cant find a better final than china vs china . Fortunately china has started spreading table tennis love in every country . Im one of the people who got attracted to table tennis by watching Zhang jike and Wang hao rallies ...
Just because they are the best doesn't mean it's interesting to watch. I could watch Michael Phelps or Lebron James being the best at what they do and for the first 3 or 4 times i'll be like "Wow, what an incredible dunk that was" or "Damn, i've never seen someone swim so fast", but after that when i see that for the 100th time i'll be like "Meh, i've seen him do that dunk many time already". Same goes for players like Ma Long, FZD, XX.. Like we already know XX's FH is incredible and that FZD's power and speed is amazing. It just adds nothing when i see that for the million time. This is why i like Japan so much. They've been constantly innovating and creative with their playstyles, good examples are Harimoto and Mima Ito. and the chinese players play is just the same old same old machines.

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 12:51 PM
Well said Tony , Table tennis is a fantastic sport and its more fantastic with chinese to be honest , They are the best like it or not , also Japan is improving everyday but has a very long way to be china in tt . But Now really people dont care about countries , we say Wow FZD vs Ma long what a game it will be , we never think about china vs china , If some one dont enjoy this game or as it was told china vs china so You really dont like Table tennis , cause you cant find a better final than china vs china . Fortunately china has started spreading table tennis love in every country . Im one of the people who got attracted to table tennis by watching Zhang jike and Wang hao rallies ...
Also you are speaking as if you never discriminate against other player because of how biased you are towards the chinese players. I've seen you many times constantly dissing Harimoto even when he deserved credit for his efforts. For example he beat Ma Long you said "come on ma long don't lose to this screaming kid" or when he beat Wang Chuqin at the YOG team event after losing to him in the singles finals you said you didn't like it because Harimoto won and i bet if Wang Chuqin won you would've said the opposite. Now how is that any less racist than what i said?

ping fun
12-11-2018, 12:52 PM
Well what makes this forum popular is different kind of views and opinions . For me , I get excited every time by watching the rallies of the best players but also watching the defeat of Ma long and FZD is interesting too specially when the winner is non_ chinese but after Their lose I want them to play better next time and see those beautiful raliies again . And one thing , this games are not the same at all , in every game Xu xin or zhang jike , Timo boll and .... bring some new hits or rallies from different angle or new tactics .

ping fun
12-11-2018, 12:58 PM
Actually I dislike harimoto because of his screaming not his game , he is a very special player .

FruitLoop
12-11-2018, 01:19 PM
Also you are speaking as if you never discriminate against other player because of how biased you are towards the chinese players. I've seen you many times constantly dissing Harimoto even when he deserved credit for his efforts. For example he beat Ma Long you said "come on ma long don't lose to this screaming kid" or when he beat Wang Chuqin at the YOG team event after losing to him in the singles finals you said you didn't like it because Harimoto won and i bet if Wang Chuqin won you would've said the opposite. Now how is that any less racist than what i said?

Considering Harimoto is racially Chinese it would be difficult to be racist against him by wanting him to lose to a Chinese person.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-11-2018, 02:41 PM
Well said Tony , Table tennis is a fantastic sport and its more fantastic with chinese to be honest , They are the best like it or not , also Japan is improving everyday but has a very long way to be china in tt . But Now really people dont care about countries , we say Wow FZD vs Ma long what a game it will be , we never think about china vs china , If some one dont enjoy this game or as it was told china vs china so You really dont like Table tennis , cause you cant find a better final than china vs china . Fortunately china has started spreading table tennis love in every country . Im one of the people who got attracted to table tennis by watching Zhang jike and Wang hao rallies ...

Yeah
I think we need to be grateful that China is the nominating country at the moment,
As due to the huge population level as well as the wiliness of CTTA to "share", table tennis in the world has benefited from such race's love of table tennis. I'm not sure in TT history if Sweden, or Japan, or the earlier dominating countries did so much for other countries than China did

Yes, some parts it goes both ways, ie a "drop out" training partner has no future in TT in China, but can earn a good living as a coach in other countries

I still remember Saive's coach that stayed with Saive and treated him like his son and mentored him to become world champion. Saive even said without his coach, he wouldn't of gotten that far.

From what I see from USA (especially this thread is almost dedicated to USA juniors at WJC), all those are beneficiaries from Chinese coaches or sparring partners.

I have 1st hand info from TT bodies where China ambassadors are offering TT support to said nation
such nation didn't get any other support from any other country......

One can easily see the brighter side of this all China issue.
The one who wants to be sour, can just turn off the TV when its China vs China lol, you and me can enjoy it

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 03:40 PM
Is there evidence of racism in the words Danny has used in this thread?
“I thought if someone was gonna beat a chinese it would be Pletea” - uses a racial term to describe a player, rather than use the player’s name.

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I guess you only read half of that sentence, because right after what you quoted i wrote their names..

FruitLoop
12-11-2018, 06:13 PM
Yeah
I think we need to be grateful that China is the nominating country at the moment,
As due to the huge population level as well as the wiliness of CTTA to "share", table tennis in the world has benefited from such race's love of table tennis. I'm not sure in TT history if Sweden, or Japan, or the earlier dominating countries did so much for other countries than China did

Yes, some parts it goes both ways, ie a "drop out" training partner has no future in TT in China, but can earn a good living as a coach in other countries

I still remember Saive's coach that stayed with Saive and treated him like his son and mentored him to become world champion. Saive even said without his coach, he wouldn't of gotten that far.

From what I see from USA (especially this thread is almost dedicated to USA juniors at WJC), all those are beneficiaries from Chinese coaches or sparring partners.

I have 1st hand info from TT bodies where China ambassadors are offering TT support to said nation
such nation didn't get any other support from any other country......

One can easily see the brighter side of this all China issue.
The one who wants to be sour, can just turn off the TV when its China vs China lol, you and me can enjoy it

I agree with this but also feel ITTF need to do more somehow and get China on board even more. It is massively to China's ultimate benefit that the world TT competitiveness is high and the sport has prestige and importance on the world stage. The more they dominate the less their dominance means if you get me.

usualsuspect
12-11-2018, 06:20 PM
so lets change it to another sport and another race

oh, so there is a new kid in a block in the NBA
he is black, and that is nothing special as all black kids can play good basketball
if it was a non black, then I will be impressed, so all blacks play good ball

I am not impressed with that kid to have a 97% accuracy rate, since all blacks have the same accuracy rate

Its so boring watching blacks vs blacks in basketball.

If blacks win the match or gold medal, they are not as happy as non blacks winning

Racist much?
if not, this sure is racial discrimination and boarder racism as per my earlier statement

sportsmanship with respect will see beyond the colour of the new kid in the block and just give praise when its deserved and not discredit him or measure his performance due to his skin colour

Haha! All of this is definitely racist in the US! If anyone says any of the statements above, that person would definitely be considered a racist in the US. I do applaud everyone's immense effort to argue otherwise, even if the argument has devolved into semantics.
However, I do mention "in the US" repeatedly, because racism is more subjective than we realize. Each country has a somewhat different standard for what is considered racist. I can only speak for the US in general, since that's where I live. Maybe all of this is perfectly normal in the country where you live, and that is totally fine with me.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-11-2018, 06:28 PM
I agree with this but also feel ITTF need to do more somehow and get China on board even more. It is massively to China's ultimate benefit that the world TT competitiveness is high and the sport has prestige and importance on the world stage. The more they dominate the less their dominance means if you get me.

Well, ITTF and CTTA are helping
they have all these training camps in different countries. Zhang Yining is heavily involved.
But at the end of the day, the issue is with grassroot and the national federations of each country to see how serious they want to go and how much funding is avalable.

having a 5~10 day training camp a year by ITTF/CTTA in your country will not make continental champions out of you

not sure how the CTTA training centers in Europe is going....

Tony's Table Tennis
12-11-2018, 06:30 PM
Haha! All of this is definitely racist in the US! If anyone says any of the statements above, that person would definitely be considered a racist in the US. I do applaud everyone's immense effort to argue otherwise, even if the argument has devolved into semantics.
However, I do mention "in the US" repeatedly, because racism is more subjective than we realize. Each country has a somewhat different standard for what is considered racist. I can only speak for the US in general, since that's where I live. Maybe all of this is perfectly normal in the country where you live, and that is totally fine with me.

I'm sure in most countries, the above is racist for sure.

maybe in some countries, you just get away with it, some countries, you don't.

so many people hide behind alias on these forums, so they can do anything they want and get away with it.

usualsuspect
12-11-2018, 06:32 PM
Exactly. You described what i was trying to say perfectly.

Danny, you are what we, in the US, refer to as "diet racism". What you are saying is not overtly racist, but has pretty strong racist undertone. Kind of like everything my drunk uncle says at Thanksgiving party. I'm like "yeah... your opinion is not technically racist, but I'm pretty sure everyone here thinks you're a racist"

Danny21312
12-11-2018, 06:48 PM
You know all this argument is pretty funny because i see so much hatred and racial discrimantion and also like you said "diet racism" on japanese players not specifically here (even though i've seen some here as well) but also in other sites such as youtube and other tt forums, yet no one says anything. And when someone says one single thing about chinese players, everyone goes wild. It's seems to be socially acceptable to hate on japanese players and it's a crime to say one thing on chinese players that people may not want to hear. Really makes me question the legitimacy of the tt community..

usualsuspect
12-11-2018, 06:54 PM
You know all this argument is pretty funny because i see so much hatred and racial discrimantion and also like you said "diet racism" on japanese players not specifically here (even though i've seen some here as well) but also in other sites such as youtube and other tt forums, yet no one says anything. And when someone says one single thing about chinese players, everyone goes wild. It's seems to be socially acceptable to hate on japanese players and it's a crime to say one thing on chinese players that people may not want to hear. Really makes me question the legitimacy of the tt community..

Just because many people are being racist online, doesn't make it ok for you to follow their bad examples. I haven't seen many instances of racism here at this forum, and I want to keep it that way. I've always called out racism when it's due, regardless of whom it's against, "diet" or not.

JesperStef
12-11-2018, 09:11 PM
Results from Team Events (Sun 02 - Wed 05 December 2018):

Junior Boys Team

Semi-finals:

[1] China 3:0 France [4]
1) Xu Yingbin 3:0 Leo De Nodrest (13:11, 11:8, 11:6)
2) Yu Heyi 3:1 Irvin Bertrand (16:14, 7:11, 11:4, 11:9)
3) Xiang Peng 3:2 Bastien Rembert (11:9, 11:13, 9:11, 11:3, 11:7)


[2] Japan 3:1 Chinese Taipei [3]
1) Yuta Tanaka 2:3 Li Hsin-Yang (9:11, 11:7, 7:11, 12:10, 8:11)
2) Yukiya Uda 3:1 Feng Yi-Hsin (11:3, 11:8, 8:11, 11:6)
3) Shunsuke Togami 3:1 Tai Ming-Wei (11:2, 9:11, 11:5, 11:7)
4) Yukiya Uda 3:2 Li Hsin-Yang (16:14, 8:11, 8:11, 11:7, 12:10)


Final:

[1] China 3:0 Japan [2]
1) Yu Heyi 3:1 Yuta Tanaka (8:11, 12:10, 11:3, 11:8)
2) Xu Yingbin 3:1 Yukiya Uda (11:8, 11:7, 9:11, 11:5)
3) Xiang Peng 3:0 Shunsuke Togami (12:10, 11:9, 11:9)


Medalists:
Gold: China (Xiang Peng, Xu Haidong, Xu Yingbin and Yu Heyi)
Silver: Japan (Shunsuke Togami, Yukiya Uda, Yuta Tanaka and Kakeru Sone)
Bronze: France (Lilian Bardet, Irvin Bertrand, Leo De Nodrest and Bastien Rembert)
Bronze: Chinese Taipei (Feng Yi-Hsin, Li Hsin-Yang, Lin Yung-Chih and Tai Ming-Wei)


Junior Girls Team

Semi-finals:

[1] Japan 3:0 Russia [5]
1) Miyu Nagasaki 3:2 Mariia Tailakova (11:6, 2:11, 11:9, 12:14, 14:12)
2) Yumeno Soma 3:0 Anastasia Kolish (13:11, 11:3, 11:5)
3) Satsuki Odo 3:1 Kristina Kazantseva (11:5, 11:3, 9:11, 11:2)


[2] China 3:0 South Korea [13]
1) Shi Xunyao 3:0 Choi Haeeun (11:3, 11:8, 11:6)
2) Qian Tianyi 3:1 Shin Yubin (6:11, 11:1, 11:9, 11:2)
3) Huang Fanzhen 3:0 Ryu Hanna (14:12, 11:7, 11:5)


Final:

[2] China 3:1 Japan [1]
1) Qian Tianyi 3:2 Miyu Nagasaki (9:11, 13:11, 11:8, 5:11, 9:11)
2) Shi Xunyao 3:0 Satsuki Odo (11:8, 11:2, 11:3)
3) Huang Fanzhen 2:3 Miyuu Kihara (4:11, 7:11, 11:8, 11:4, 10:12)
4) Shi Xunyao 3:0 Miyu Nagasaki (11:6, 11:5, 11:9)


Medalists:
Gold: China (Guo Yuhan, Qian Tianyi, Shi Xunyao and Huang Fanzhen)
Silver: Japan (Satsuki Odo, Miyu Nagasaki, Miyuu Kihara and Yumeno Soma)
Bronze: Russia (Mariia Tailakova, Anastasia Kolish, Kristina Kazantseva and Ekaterina Zironova)
Bronze: South Korea (Choi Haeeun, Ryu Hanna, Shin Yubin and Wee Yeji)

https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2879/2018/world-junior-table-tennis-championships/

JesperStef
12-11-2018, 09:45 PM
Results from Individual Events (Wed 05 - Sun 09 December 2018):

Junior Boys Singles

Round of 32:

Amin Ahmadian, IRI/JR17 4:3 Bastien Rembert, FRA/JR18 [15]

Round of 16:

[10] Yu Heyi, CHN/JR18 4:1 Kakak Jha, USA/JR18 [1]
[5] Cristian Pletea, ROU/JR18 4:0 Li Hsin-Yang, TPE/JR18 [14]

[7] Yuta Tanaka, JPN/JR18 4:1 Pang Yew En Koen, SGP/JR16 [13]
[3] Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:1 Amin Ahmadian, IRI/JR17

[16] Xu Yingbin, CHN/JR17 4:3 Ioannis Sgouropoulos, GRE/JR18 [4]
[9] Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 4:1 Rares Sipos, ROU/JR18 [6]

[8] Xiang Peng, CHN/CA15 4:2 Shunsuke Togami, JPN/JR17 [12]
[2] Manav Vikash Thakkar, IND/JR18 4:2 Feng Yi-Hsin, TPE/CA15 [11]

Quarter-finals:

[5] Cristian Pletea, ROU/JR18 4:0 Yu Heyi, CHN/JR18 [10] (12:10, 13:11, 11:9, 11:7)
[3] Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:2 Yuta Tanaka, JPN/JR18 [7] (9:11, 11:9, 5:11, 11:5, 11:9, 11:7)

[9] Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 4:3 Xu Yingbin, CHN/JR17 [16] (9:11, 7:11, 11:7, 13:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:9)
[8] Xiang Peng, CHN/CA15 4:3 Manav Vikash Thakkar, IND/JR18 [2] (11:6, 11:5, 7:11, 14:16, 11:4, 8:11, 11:8)

Semi-finals:

[3] Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:0 Cristian Pletea, ROU/JR18 [5] (11:5, 11:3, 11:8, 11:6)
[9] Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 4:0 Xiang Peng, CHN/CA15 [8] (11:9, 12:10, 13:11, 13:11)

Finals:

[3] Xu Haidong, CHN/JR18 4:1 Yukiya Uda, JPN/JR17 [9] (13:11, 11:4, 8:11, 11:9, 11:8)


Medalists:
Gold: Xu Haidong (China) [3]
Silver: Yukiya Uda (Japan) [9]
Bronze: Cristian Pletea (Romania) [5]
Bronze: Xiang Peng (China) [8]


Junior Girls Singles

Round of 32:

Guo Yuhan, CHN/JR18 4:0 Sabina Surjan, SRB/JR18 [3]
Katarzyna Wegrzyn, POL/JR17 4:2 Archana Girish Kamath, IND/JR18 [8]
Huang Fanzhen, CHN/JR18 4:1 Lee Ka Yee, HKG/JR16 [13]
Lucie Gauthier, FRA/JR18 4:2 Anna Wegrzyn, POL/JR17 [14]
Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 4:0 Chen Ting-Ting, TPE/JR181 [15]

Round of 16:

[1] Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 4:0 Lucie Gauthier, FRA/JR18
[6] Satsuki Odo, JPN/CA14 4:0 Bruna Takahashi, BRA/JR18 [9]

Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 4:1 Adriana Diaz, PUR/JR18 [5]
Guo Yuhan, CHN/JR18 4:0 Amy Wang, USA/JR16 [10]

[4] Miyu Nagasaki, JPN/JR16 4:3 Huang Fanzhen, CHN/JR18
[7] Su Pei-Ling, TPE/JR18 4:2 Andreea Dragoman, ROU/JR18 [12]

[11] Miyuu Kihara, JPN/CA14 4:0 Katarzyna Wegrzyn, POL/JR17
[2] Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:1 Mariia Tailakova, RUS/JR17 [16]

Quarter-finals:

[1] Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 4:0 Satsuki Odo, JPN/CA14 [6] (11:8, 11:6, 11:5, 11:8)
Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 4:1 Guo Yuhan, CHN/JR18 (11:6, 11:4, 11:7, 12:14, 11:9)

[4] Miyu Nagasaki, JPN/JR16 4:2 Su Pei-Ling, TPE/JR18 [7] (11:8, 11:6, 5:11, 8:11, 14:12, 13:11)
[2] Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:3 Miyuu Kihara, JPN/CA14 [11] (6:11, 11:7, 11:5, 9:11, 11:5, 10:12, 11:7)

Semi-finals:

[1] Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 4:0 Yumeno Soma, JPN/JR16 (11:3, 11:4, 11:2, 11:9)
[2] Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:1 Su Pei-Ling, TPE/JR18 [7] (12:10, 11:5, 8:11, 11:7, 11:8)

Finals:

[2] Qian Tianyi, CHN/JR18 4:3 Shi Xunyao, CHN/JR17 [1] (11:8, 5:11, 9:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:9, 11:8)


Medalists:
Gold: Qian Tianyi (China) [2]
Silver: Shi Xunyao (China) [1]
Bronze: Yumeno Soma (Japan)
Bronze: Su Pei-Ling (Chinese Taipei) [7]


Junior Boys Doubles

Round of 16:

[9] Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest, FRA 3:0 Xu Yingbin/Yu Heyi, CHN [5]
[14] Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS 3:2 Sharon Alguetti/Kanak Jha, USA [7]

Quarter-finals:

[1] Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong, CHN 3:0 Kakeru Sone/Yuta Tanaka, JPN [8]
[4] Feng Yi-Hsin/Li Hsin-Yang 3:0 Manush Utpalbhai Shah/Manav Vikash Thakkar, IND [6]

[9] Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest, FRA 3:0 Shunsuke Togami/Yukiya Uda, JPN [3]
[14] Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS 3:2 Cristian Pletea/Rares Sipos, ROU [2]

Semi-finals:

[1] Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong, CHN 3:1 Feng Yi-Hsin/Li Hsin-Yang [4] (11:3, 11:9, 11:13, 11:7)
[14] Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS 3:0 Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest, FRA [9] (11:6, 11:8, 11:6)

Finals:

[1] Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong, CHN 3:0 Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman, RUS [14] (11:9, 11:8, 11:3)


Medalists:
Gold: Xiang Peng/Xu Haidong (China) [1]
Silver: Maksim Grebnev/Lev Katsman (Russia) [14]
Bronze: Feng Yi-Hsin/Li Hsin-Yang [4]
Bronze: Irvin Bertrand/Leo De Nodrest [9]


Junior Girls Doubles

Round of 32:

Choi Haeeun/Wee Yeji, KOR 3:1 Chau Wing Sze/Lee Ka Yee, HKG [4]

Round of 16:

[12] Amy Wang/Crystal Wang, USA 3:2 Andreea Dragoman/Tania Plaian, ROU [6]

Quarter-finals:

[1] Miyu Nagasaki/Satsuki Odo, JPN 3:1 Tijana Jokic/Sabina Surjan, SRB [8]
[3] Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:0 Anastasia Kolish/Mariia Tailakova, RUS [7]

[14] Guo Yuhan/Qian Tianyi, CHN 3:1 Amy Wang/Crystal Wang, USA [12]
[5] Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma, JPN 3:2 Chen Ting-Ting/Su Pei-Ling, TPE [2]

Semi-finals:

[3] Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:1 Miyu Nagasaki/Satsuki Odo, JPN [1] (11:7, 6:11, 11:9, 11:1)
[5] Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma, JPN 3:2 Guo Yuhan/Qian Tianyi, CHN [14] (11:4, 6:11, 8:11, 11:7, 11:5)

Finals:

[3] Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:0 Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma, JPN [5] (11:7, 11:8, 11:6)


Medalists:
Gold: Huang Fanzhen/Shi Xunyao (China) [3]
Silver: Miyuu Kihara/Yumeno Soma (Japan) [5]
Bronze: Miyu Nagasaki/Satsuki Odo (Japan) [1]
Bronze: Guo Yuhan/Qian Tianyi (China) [14]


Junior Mixed Doubles

Round of 32:

Leo De Nodrest/Lucie Gauthier, FRA 3:2 Manav Vikash Thakkar/Archana Girish Kamath, IND [2]

Round of 16:

[14] Vladimir Sidorenko/Mariia Tailakova, RUS 3:2 Ioannis Sgouropoulos, GRE/Sabina Surjan, SRB [1]
[11] Xiang Peng/Huang Fanzhen, CHN 3:1 Yuta Tanaka/Miyu Nagasaki, JPN [3]
Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan, CHN 3:0 Cristian Pletea/Andreea Dragoman, ROU [5]

Quarter-finals:

Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan, CHN 3:0 Vladimir Sidorenko/Mariia Tailakova, RUS [14]
[4] Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi, CHN 3:2 Yukiya Uda/Miyuu Kihara, JPN [8]

[7] Feng Yi-Hsin/Su Pei-Ling, TPE 3:2 Xiang Peng/Huang Fanzhen, CHN [11]
[5] Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:2 Leo De Nodrest/Lucie Gauthier, FRA

Semi-finals:

[4] Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi, CHN 3:2 Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan, CHN (9:11, 11:2, 3:11, 19:17, 11:8)
[5] Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:2 Feng Yi-Hsin/Su Pei-Ling, TPE [7] (8:11, 9:11, 11:7, 11:7, 11:6)

Finals:

[5] Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao, CHN 3:2 Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi, CHN [4] (11:8, 3:11, 11:5, 9:11, 11:5)


Medalists:
Gold: Xu Yingbin/Shi Xunyao (China) [5]
Silver: Yu Heyi/Qian Tianyi (China) [4]
Bronze: Xu Haidong/Guo Yuhan (China)
Bronze: Feng Yi-Hsin/Su Pei-Ling (Chinese Taipei) [7]

https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2879/2018/world-junior-table-tennis-championships/

Der_Echte
12-12-2018, 04:46 AM
then you get those who sees race and if the same race is playing against each other - it is boring to watch.

I really hope those who think Chinese vs Chinese is boring, should turn off the TV and stop watching table tennis when 2 Chinese is on. They don't deserve to witness good table tennis between Chinese vs Chinese players

Tony spelled it all out right. There are many who believe... 2 Chinese or 2 whatever are boring to watch...

Yup, and watching 2 Koreans play each other is boring too.. Yup. Watch any top attacking player like Ryu Seung Min play vs Joo Se Hyuk... Crowd on their feet excited cheering EVERY DAMN ATTACK AND CHOP/RETRIEVE like they are about to lose their mind excited/entertained like no other match...

Watch any Chinese play vs CWX... always a blast. XX vs ML or FZD boring... ???!!! Yup, anyone thinking that prolly has problems wiping their tail clean after they crap.... 'cause they sure full of it.

Yup. One country's players playing each other is utterly boring as watching grass grow. [/Sarcasm End]

Ioiettino
12-12-2018, 10:02 AM
Thanks Jesper, who knew there were games to talk about...


There's a debate to be had, but it does not matter who is right if you cannot do it without cheap jibes, adding a few gallons worth of oil onto the fire drop by drop, wilfully choosing what you respond to and drag the whole thing on when you have nothing new to say. There are other ways to be confrontational than racism, this is tedious and please take it somewhere else.