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TableTennisDaily
12-03-2018, 04:51 PM
The December World Rankings have been released here. (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=69&Itemid=206)

Full write up shortly.

Some huge changes!

Tony's Table Tennis
12-03-2018, 07:28 PM
If one clicks on "best 8 results", one can see how skewed this ranking is.

Can't wait for Jan when they realign the point allocations to a much more fairer distribution

Loopadoop
12-03-2018, 09:06 PM
Interesting Rankings

Ma Long #11

Liam Pitchford #16
probably his best ranking to date

bircham boi
12-04-2018, 02:37 AM
Some huge changes!Not quite sure what you mean. The top 12 are still the top 12. Nine of those are exactly the same as before; one is a shift by one position (Harimoto from 6 to 5), which means only two significant changes - basically Calderano and Ovtcharov have swapped places. Lower down, large movements are par for the course. Am I missing something here?

zeio
12-04-2018, 03:45 AM
Am I missing something here?

Ya, this one (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?18619-His-Name-is-Liam-Pitchford).

langel
12-04-2018, 06:39 AM
If one clicks on "best 8 results", one can see how skewed this ranking is.

Can't wait for Jan when they realign the point allocations to a much more fairer distribution


Can you explain what is skewed?
Looking at the "Final Pos." there, the ranking seems very logical.

Tony's Table Tennis
12-04-2018, 02:13 PM
Can you explain what is skewed?
Looking at the "Final Pos." there, the ranking seems very logical.

I'm sure I don't need to retype everything - you can just go read the 2 big threads on how the world ranking points are currently calculated.






Year/Month (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=85&Itemid=283&resetfilters=1&fab_rnk_res___player_id[value][]=114936&fab_rnk_res___mnth[value][]=12&fab_rnk_res___yr[value][]=2018&fab_rnk_res___category=Open#)
Player
Assoc
Tournament
Total Points
Final Pos.


Display #






Total: 8






2018-07
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Korean Open, Daejeon (KOR) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2819)
2364
Winner


2017-05
JANG Woojin
KOR
2017 - World Table Tennis Championships, Dusseldorf (GER) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2705)
1500
Rnd of 32


2018-05
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, China Open, Shenzhen (CHN) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2817)
1350
Rnd of 16


2018-11
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Austrian Open, Linz (AUT) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2822)
1350
Rnd of 16


2018-11
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Swedish Open, Stockholm (SWE) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2823)
1260
QF


2018-04
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Team Table Tennis Championships, Halmstad (SWE) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2876)
1250
Team


2018-05
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Hong Kong Open, Hong Kong (HKG) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2816)
1080
Rnd of 16


2018-06
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Japan Open, Kitakyushu (JPN) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2818)
900
Rnd of 32

TTHopeful
12-05-2018, 05:51 AM
Liam Pitchford at 16.. thats my boy!!

FruitLoop
12-05-2018, 10:10 AM
I'm sure I don't need to retype everything - you can just go read the 2 big threads on how the world ranking points are currently calculated.






Year/Month (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=85&Itemid=283&resetfilters=1&fab_rnk_res___player_id[value][]=114936&fab_rnk_res___mnth[value][]=12&fab_rnk_res___yr[value][]=2018&fab_rnk_res___category=Open#)
Player
Assoc
Tournament
Total Points
Final Pos.


Display #






Total: 8






2018-07
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Korean Open, Daejeon (KOR) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2819)
2364
Winner


2017-05
JANG Woojin
KOR
2017 - World Table Tennis Championships, Dusseldorf (GER) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2705)
1500
Rnd of 32


2018-05
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, China Open, Shenzhen (CHN) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2817)
1350
Rnd of 16


2018-11
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Austrian Open, Linz (AUT) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2822)
1350
Rnd of 16


2018-11
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Swedish Open, Stockholm (SWE) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2823)
1260
QF


2018-04
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Team Table Tennis Championships, Halmstad (SWE) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2876)
1250
Team


2018-05
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Hong Kong Open, Hong Kong (HKG) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2816)
1080
Rnd of 16


2018-06
JANG Woojin
KOR
2018 - World Tour, Japan Open, Kitakyushu (JPN) (http://results.ittf.link/index.php?option=com_fabrik&view=list&listid=47&Itemid=158&resetfilters=1& fab_matches___player_a_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_a_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_b_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_b_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_x_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_x_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_x_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___player_y_id[value][]=114936&fab_matches___player_y_id[join][]=OR& fab_matches___player_y_id[grouped_to_previous][]=1&fab_matches___tournament_id[value][]=2818)
900
Rnd of 32



Lol that is ridiculous.

Their problem is they tried to copy tennis ranking principles without considering that tennis has 4 world championships a year and about 10 mini worlds which all the top players play. Nothing similar exists in the TT tour and it needs a totally different approach. The amount of points available for just turning up for seeds now is insane, the reward for winning almost non existent.

zeio
12-05-2018, 10:20 AM
Well, badminton switched to the ATP system in 2007 and their "World Tour" was known as the BWF Super Series, now known as the BWF World Tour. It works great for them despite the players complaining about burnouts.

bircham boi
12-05-2018, 10:59 AM
Am I missing something here?


Ya, this one (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?18619-His-Name-is-Liam-Pitchford).

Dear zeio,
I'm prepared to admit I'm a moron. Usually, you're the most helpful person around, but I just don't get this. Please help me out. I don't understand what's going on - there aren't any "huge changes" that I can see!

zeio
12-05-2018, 11:21 AM
https://i.imgur.com/qKZj0Mq.gif

But seriously, many people in HK were excited to see the home-grown WCT crack the top 100, then top 50, then top 20, and finally top 10 a few years back. He was stuck in the top 50 for a year and then the top 20 for another year before landing in the top 10.

I could understand the excitement for Pitchford here. He started at 79 and ended at 16 in 2018. That's a big jump.

ekkohot000
12-05-2018, 03:22 PM
I'm not surprised at No. 1.