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Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-21-2018, 12:34 AM
We had this week the 1st round of qualifiers for the JNT. There will be a 2nd round with seeded players in Match. The winner of the second round will earn a slot for the WTTC 2019 in Hungary. Another slot is for the winner of the national championships in January 2019.
If I'm correct, 3 other slots are automatically decided with ranking and if it coincides with the winner of the qualifiers or national championships, coaches will award wild cards.

For this 1st round, 20 players were divided in 2 groups of 10 where everybody plays together and then there is a final match between equally ranked players from both groups.

in Men's qualifiers, here is the final ranking
top 5 qualify for 2nd round



Yoshimura Kazuhiro (little bro)
Hirano Yuki
Uda
Matsudaira Kenji (big bro)
Togami


these guys are out, some are top names !!!

6. Arinobu Taimu
7. Morizono Masataka
8.Yoshida Masaki (!)
9.Yoshimura Maharu (!)
10. Tanaka
11. Kizukuri
12. Sambe Kohei
13. Takami
14. Oikawa
15. Matsuyama Yuki
16. Matsudaira Kenta (!!!)
17. Ueda Jin (!!!)
18. Matsushima Sora (11 year old, won 2 matches, including one against Oikawa !!!)
19. Kanemitsu
20. Tanigaki

http://world-tt.com/ps_info/ps_report.php?bn=1&pg=HEAD&page=BACK&rpcdno=2884#2884

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-21-2018, 12:38 AM
results for girls
top 4 qualify
1. Hayata Hina
2. Kato Miyu
3. Mori Sakura
4. Sasao Asuka

are out:
5. Ando Minami
6. Kihara Miyu
7. Nagasaki Miyu
8.Hashimoto Honoka
9. Hamamoto Yui
10. Morizono Miyuki
etc...
http://world-tt.com/ps_info/ps_report.php?bn=1&pg=HEAD&page=BACK&rpcdno=2883#2883

Hayata won her 10 matches and dropped only 1 set !!!

ttpshot
12-21-2018, 01:03 AM
Great to see Uda getting in! Also great that Sora won a couple matches as well as taking a game off Ueda etc.
Can't really say how T league affected their performance as Kazuhiro got in and Kenta & Jin couldn't.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-21-2018, 02:56 AM
Great to see Uda getting in! Also great that Sora won a couple matches as well as taking a game off Ueda etc.
Can't really say how T league affected their performance as Kazuhiro got in and Kenta & Jin couldn't.

yeh the men's results are surprising. Now the only way these guys get a chance is in the national championships, but i can't see Mizutani and Harimoto BOTH lose to an outsider.

I'm disappointed for HASHIMOTO Honoka, i thought she would do better.

Vlad Celler
12-21-2018, 03:42 AM
It is a pity Hina Hayata ...She did not have time to drop into the TOP-10 ITTF rating by the beginning of 2018 ....In the second half of 2018, she scored several halves .....
The expected rating for January 2019 - 7531 ....Without an opportunity to improve the result in February and March .....And this means a game only through qualifications ....

ttpshot
12-21-2018, 03:47 AM
yeh the men's results are surprising. Now the only way these guys get a chance is in the national championships, but i can't see Mizutani and Harimoto BOTH lose to an outsider.

I'm disappointed for HASHIMOTO Honoka, i thought she would do better.

They might get in via selector's recommendation but that tends to be awarded to young players. Which means Uda/Tanaka/Togami might have a priority.

Women's league is fierce as usual. Agreed on Hashimoto. Her defensive style is very pleasing to the eyes. Hope to see her come back strongly.

Vlad Celler
12-21-2018, 04:03 AM
2nd round of qualifying competitions, when will and how will be held?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-21-2018, 04:20 AM
In March 2019. Seeded players will join the first round qualifiers

I think Hayata will make it

Danny21312
12-21-2018, 04:55 AM
In March 2019. Seeded players will join the first round qualifiers

I think Hayata will make it
Is it the Japan Top 12 or is that a seperate event?

Vlad Celler
12-21-2018, 04:56 AM
Happiness and good luck to her!
Very talented girl ....

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-21-2018, 05:54 AM
Separate event

Vlad Celler
12-21-2018, 05:58 AM
Thank you. Can you tell us a little more about Japan TOP-12?

zeio
12-21-2018, 06:14 AM
Not separate. Japan Top 12 is part of the Trial for WTTC 2019.

Vlad Celler
12-21-2018, 06:52 AM
It is curious by what criteria the selection of participants for the first round was carried out ....
Did not participate Sato Hitomi, Shibata Saki ....

ttpshot
12-21-2018, 07:05 AM
Not separate. Japan Top 12 is part of the Trial for WTTC 2019.

Probably for 2020 but not for 2019. Selected players are required to participate Top 12 but the results will not count towards WTTC 2019.

zeio
12-21-2018, 07:15 AM
Talk about a dude from outside Japan more informed than the locals.

Lion Cup 23rd Japan Top 12(And JNT Representative Trial for WTTC 2019)
http://www.jtta.or.jp/tournament/tabid/122/rptid/516/Default.aspx

LIONカップ 第23回ジャパントップ12卓球大会(兼 2019年世界卓球選手権日本代表選考会)

The 1st day of competition will determine one spot for WTTC 2019. The 2nd day will see the 5 JNT representatives compete for the trophy.
http://www.jtta.or.jp/Portals/0/images/tournament/Nationals/2018_pdf/20181220top12_prospectus.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/DiivzjA.png
https://i.imgur.com/FDPtFMF.png

zeio
12-21-2018, 08:21 AM
Selection Criteria for WTTC 2019

http://www.jtta.or.jp/Portals/0/images/player/selection/2018/20180922_2019WTTC_Budapest.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/93tgWw2.png
https://i.imgur.com/G57T9GZ.png

zeio
12-21-2018, 08:32 AM
Sure, 20 bucks per page.

Hamasaki_Fanz
12-21-2018, 09:06 AM
I'm willing to translate for 15 bucks per page

mrk
12-21-2018, 12:26 PM
16. Matsudaira Kenta (!!!)
17. Ueda Jin (!!!)


What a surprise :eek:


Another interesting result:

Kihara Miyu - Nagasaki Miyu 3:0

Looks like Miyu is the better player already despite being 2 years younger, she looks more primising.

Vlad Celler
12-22-2018, 09:53 AM
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/smp/news/2018/12/003323_amp.html?fbclid=IwAR0qP6EDhh7VK00djqbbtGyINcbJRHCboJ4n0huHPPzTV9OhvKpd0aYgG7U

drunix80
12-22-2018, 10:01 AM
I got my money on Hina Hayata as one of thw top 2 of Japan in coming years

Vlad Celler
12-22-2018, 10:06 AM
I wish this talented girl good luck and happiness!

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-22-2018, 12:24 PM
I got my money on Hina Hayata as one of thw top 2 of Japan in coming years

I was hoping she can get better, she's taller than her mates, she's a leftie and a good attacking game, but somehow I haven't seen her making a lot of progress in the last 2 years. She's still young so fingers crossed

Vlad Celler
12-22-2018, 01:20 PM
What do you think is missing for her to be on the same level with Ishikawa, Hirano Miu, Ito?

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-22-2018, 01:31 PM
i don't know ! I'm not a pro ! I'm just seeing the results !

I feel she's perhaps not as consistent, especially in her short game ?
I was expecting her to be more powerful given she's taller but its not obvious she has an advantage there as well.

Maybe she's got injuries as well. I always see her with bandages...

Vlad Celler
12-22-2018, 01:55 PM
We wish her to qualify for the World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN): 21-28 Apr

Danny21312
12-22-2018, 02:35 PM
i don't know ! I'm not a pro ! I'm just seeing the results !

I feel she's perhaps not as consistent, especially in her short game ?
I was expecting her to be more powerful given she's taller but its not obvious she has an advantage there as well.

Maybe she's got injuries as well. I always see her with bandages...
I actually think she's gotten more consistent as of late. In T league she hasn't lost a single match and has been regularly beating players like Feng Tianwei, Cheng I Ching quite easily. She is also the only one who was able to beat the only CNT player in T league but i forgot her name.

Vlad Celler
12-22-2018, 05:14 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Hayata-Hina-%E6%97%A9%E7%94%B0-%E3%81%B2%E3%81%AA-Fans-Page-1760511517525306/

ttpshot
12-25-2018, 12:20 AM
Talk about a dude from outside Japan more informed than the locals.

Lion Cup 23rd Japan Top 12(And JNT Representative Trial for WTTC 2019)
http://www.jtta.or.jp/tournament/tabid/122/rptid/516/Default.aspx


The 1st day of competition will determine one spot for WTTC 2019. The 2nd day will see the 5 JNT representatives compete for the trophy.
http://www.jtta.or.jp/Portals/0/images/tournament/Nationals/2018_pdf/20181220top12_prospectus.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/DiivzjA.png
https://i.imgur.com/FDPtFMF.png

Ah, gotcha. So 1st day is the selection tournament that also acts as Top 12 qualifer and 2nd day is Top 12. My bad.

ttpshot
12-25-2018, 12:29 AM
I was hoping she can get better, she's taller than her mates, she's a leftie and a good attacking game, but somehow I haven't seen her making a lot of progress in the last 2 years. She's still young so fingers crossed

I mean, Hamamoto and two girls from EA is as tall as Hinata so can't really say she has an advantage over her them anymore.
Got a monster drives and I'm a huge fan of her playstyle too, she just needs to be more consistant. I think guys at JTTA wish Hayata breaks into top 10 WR more than anyone as Ito/Hayata pair is the best doubles we got and would be very handy in 2020.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
12-25-2018, 12:36 AM
Hamamoto level has stagnated a bit in the last 2-3 years. a few ups but mainly downs. In T-League she's not doing bad

Vlad Celler
12-25-2018, 05:42 AM
ttpshot (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?26213-ttpshot)

.... I think guys at JTTA wish Hayata breaks into top 10 WR more than anyone as Ito/Hayata pair is the best doubles we got and would be very handy in 2020...

I agree....
Interested in your opinion - the best Japanese mixt (XD) for Tokyo 2020 ?
Apparently, ITTF attaches great importance to the mixed (XD) in the tournaments of 2019, 2020, including the Olympic Games ...

ttpshot
12-26-2018, 12:02 AM
ttpshot (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?26213-ttpshot)

.... I think guys at JTTA wish Hayata breaks into top 10 WR more than anyone as Ito/Hayata pair is the best doubles we got and would be very handy in 2020...

I agree....
Interested in your opinion - the best Japanese mixt (XD) for Tokyo 2020 ?
Apparently, ITTF attaches great importance to the mixed (XD) in the tournaments of 2019, 2020, including the Olympic Games ...

From current form, it'd be either Yoshimura/Ishikawa or Morizono/Ito. But at this stage both Ishikawa and Ito are looking to make it as singles rep so it's hard, very hard to pick one. If Hirano would make it as 3rd player in the team event, that could leave either Niwa, Morizono or maybe even Mizutani.

Takkyu_wa_inochi
01-14-2019, 09:21 AM
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/movie/detail.html?movid=QSc8wmQvF4w

Vlad Celler
01-14-2019, 09:39 AM
Can you make a short translation into English?
What kind of group "A" "B"?

anjoooo
01-14-2019, 11:12 PM
Are any of the the matches mentioned in this thread available anywhere on YouTube? Would be great to watch.

Gangarth
01-15-2019, 09:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7mDcpZ4nKGkC2fFApplHArULVdTClOwY

Suga D
01-15-2019, 09:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7mDcpZ4nKGkC2fFApplHArULVdTClOwY

Thanks for sharing.

Interesting. As preparation for next year's olympics i would expect they use the same flooring as in the games.

Quite surprised.
[Emoji15]

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-22-2019, 02:23 PM
phase 1 of qualifiers for WTTTC 2020 is happening now
[stupid for ITTF to make this tournament on an Olympic year]

Sora Matsushima won 3-2 against Jin Ueda !

My coach Hidetoshi Oya is in the tournament but already lost 3 games :-/
He is due to play against Sora next !

you can follow results here

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/2019/wttc2020_selection/

there is even cameras on 2 tables. you may need a VPN (setting to Japan)

apacible
10-22-2019, 03:50 PM
phase 1 of qualifiers for WTTTC 2020 is happening now
[stupid for ITTF to make this tournament on an Olympic year]

Sora Matsushima won 3-2 against Jin Ueda !

My coach Hidetoshi Oya is in the tournament but already lost 3 games :-/
He is due to play against Sora next !

you can follow results here

https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/2019/wttc2020_selection/

there is even cameras on 2 tables. you may need a VPN (setting to Japan)

No need for VPN to watch the matches. Just go to the TV Tokyo Table Tennis Youtube Channel and watch :)
Results can be found on the JTTA website. Just click the PDFs. http://www.jtta.or.jp/tournament/tabid/122/rptid/579/Default.aspx

Format is similar to the 2019 trials where the winner of group A and winner of group B play each other for 1st place. Then, the runner-up of group A and runner-up of group B play each other for 3rd place, and so on. This determines their initial ranking and only the top few can participate in the final stage of the qualifications in December.

The 5 players for the JNT for the 2020 WTTC will be:

The 3 Olympics participants (2 Highest WR + Discretionary Selection for the 3rd Team member to be announced Jan. 6, 2020)
The Winner of the 2020 All-Japan National Championships
The Winner of the WTTC 2020 Domestic Trials. (First Stage is the one happening now from Oct. 22-23. The final stage will be on Dec. 21, 2019 where the winner of the tournament makes the team)



If there are less than 5 players on the team because one person fills two or or more of the criteria above, then the empty slots will be filled by discretionary selection based on certain criteria such as 2019 performance and "potential to grow." (For example, if Ito wins the All-Japan Championships 2020 and has the highest WR in Jan. 2020, there'll only be 4 spots filled, so the extra spot will be filled by discretionary selection.)

What's interesting here is that the final stage of the Domestic Trials (Dec. 21, 2019) will happen before the announcement of the 3rd player for the Olympic team (Jan. 6, 2020). We'll probably know the results for the WR Race by Dec. 15 after the WTGF, so the top 2 WR players won't participate in the final stage of the trials. However, it's highly likely that the loser of the WR Race whether it be Ishikawa or Hirano will be forced to play the Domestic Trials on Dec. 21 to secure a place in the WTTC 2020 team since there is no guarantee that she would be selected to play in the Olympics as the 3rd player on Jan. 6, 2020. If that player doesn't participate in the Trials, and later on learns that she wasn't selected as the 3rd team member for the Olympics on Jan. 6, and also doesn't win the All-Japan National Championships, she may be left off the WTTC team entirely.

Vlad Celler
10-22-2019, 04:08 PM
apacible (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?68630-apacible)


.......What's interesting here is that the final stage of the Domestic Trials (Dec. 21, 2019) will happen before the announcement of the 3rd player for the Olympic team (Jan. 6, 2020). We'll probably know the results for the WR Race by Dec. 15 after the WTGF, so the top 2 WR players won't participate in the final stage of the trials. However, it's highly likely that the loser of the WR Race whether it be Ishikawa or Hirano will be forced to play the Domestic Trials on Dec. 21 to secure a place in the WTTC 2020 team since there is no guarantee that she would be selected to play in the Olympics as the 3rd player on Jan. 6, 2020. If that player doesn't participate in the Trials, and later on learns that she wasn't selected as the 3rd team member for the Olympics on Jan. 6, and also doesn't win the All-Japan National Championships, she may be left off the WTTC team entirely.


Thank you very much ! Very interesting additional information!

apacible
10-22-2019, 05:05 PM
apacible (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/member.php?68630-apacible)


.......What's interesting here is that the final stage of the Domestic Trials (Dec. 21, 2019) will happen before the announcement of the 3rd player for the Olympic team (Jan. 6, 2020). We'll probably know the results for the WR Race by Dec. 15 after the WTGF, so the top 2 WR players won't participate in the final stage of the trials. However, it's highly likely that the loser of the WR Race whether it be Ishikawa or Hirano will be forced to play the Domestic Trials on Dec. 21 to secure a place in the WTTC 2020 team since there is no guarantee that she would be selected to play in the Olympics as the 3rd player on Jan. 6, 2020. If that player doesn't participate in the Trials, and later on learns that she wasn't selected as the 3rd team member for the Olympics on Jan. 6, and also doesn't win the All-Japan National Championships, she may be left off the WTTC team entirely.


Thank you very much ! Very interesting additional information!

I only found out today after browsing through the guidelines. The interesting part is that the 2020 WTTC trials will take place before JTTA has decided on the 3rd team member for the Olympics. That means that if a certain player does extremely well in the trials, and even beats either Ishikawa or Hirano, JTTA may take that into consideration when determining the 3rd player for the Olympics. The trials may be another Japanese player's last chance to show JTTA that she may deserve the 3rd Olympic spot over Ishikawa or Hirano.

Vlad Celler
10-22-2019, 05:18 PM
I only found out today after browsing through the guidelines. The interesting part is that the 2020 WTTC trials will take place before JTTA has decided on the 3rd team member for the Olympics. That means that if a certain player does extremely well in the trials, and even beats either Ishikawa or Hirano, JTTA may take that into consideration when determining the 3rd player for the Olympics. The trials may be another Japanese player's last chance to show JTTA that she may deserve the 3rd Olympic spot over Ishikawa or Hirano.


Interesting ..Zeio recently rated Hina Hayata's current athletic form .....In my opinion, a very correct assessment ....I can only wish Hina Hayata to focus as much as possible on the next two or three months .....Although she has a noticeable decline over the past half-year ....

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-23-2019, 01:25 AM
Idesawa wins against Kihara 3-2 (from being 1-2 down)
She's nothing to learn from Niwa about sidespin chop block, she does it all the time, and with her long pimps its often lethal.

They are many girls competing here who play with long or medium pips. Generation Fukuhara !

ANDO Minami
OJIO Haruna
木村光歩
IDESAWA Kyoka
NARUMOTO Ayumi
ABE Airi
出雲美空

7 girls out of 12 competing here !

Janard
10-23-2019, 03:08 AM
Idesawa wins against Kihara 3-2 (from being 1-2 down)
She's nothing to learn from Niwa about sidespin chop block, she does it all the time, and with her long pimps its often lethal.

They are many girls competing here who play with long or medium pips. Generation Fukuhara !

ANDO Minami
OJIO Haruna
木村光歩
IDESAWA Kyoka
NARUMOTO Ayumi
ABE Airi
出雲美空

7 girls out of 12 competing here !

I remember Airi Abe. She almost edged CXT out in Bulgaria Open ~

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-23-2019, 03:11 AM
IDESAWA and NAGASAKI each top their 6-women group

OYA beats kid Sora 3-1 but that wasn't easy ! Miwa HARIMOTO lost all her matches

zeio
10-23-2019, 04:42 PM
Idesawa beat Nagasaki in SF and Odo in F(who beat Kihara in SF) to win the junior girl event at the All-Japan Championships 2019.

Rui Nakazawa/Wang Rui was pissed.


https://youtu.be/RP9HMVFKyRc?list=PL9EFgw_X3V0zwm5WVhvAKOgIejxBd_sRC&t=61

Takkyu_wa_inochi
10-23-2019, 05:11 PM
in the playoff, NAGASAKI beats IDESAWA 3-2, but she was 1-2 down

btw for those who don't know IDESAWA, her signature shot is the sidespin chopblock a la NIWA, except she does that with her long pips and its very vicious

She is using the reverse tomahawk serve a lot (like Ding Ning) but it seems even more difficult to handle for the receiver.

Apart from that, despite her performances, i believe her game is way too limited by her setup and I don't think she will have great results in senior.

Vlad Celler
10-23-2019, 05:54 PM
Thank you, your opinion is very interesting!